San Francisco Giants: Offseason Outlook, Part XVIILCMCSMCC$X of CCVCLMMMLVCCX
by Grant on Nov 5, 2008 11:56 PM PST
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Between Andrew Baggarly here and John Shea here, there's a lot of petrol for the rumor Fiat. Some thoughts in nugget format, trying to keep pace with the nuggety goodness of both articles:
- The names this offseason -- Orlando Hudson, Rafael Furcal, Adam Dunn, Mark Teixeira -- beat the hell out of the Joe Crede-types from last winter. Unfortunately, they also all make more sense than the Aaron Rowand-type the Giants actually ended up with. Still...baby steps.
- For the past three offseasons, Brian Sabean brought the ladle of center fielder stew to his lips and said, "Hmm. Needs more center fielder." But Sabean's approach to this offseason makes sense. Help us all, his approach makes sense. The ostensible plan is to get two additional infielders and slide Pablo Sandoval over where he's needed. It's a novel idea. I'm in.
- Kevin Pucetas could jump from the Cal League to the rotation. The organization's faith in Pucetas might explain why the Giants were willing to let Kevin Correia go, but then why wouldn't they give Pucetas a taste of the upper minors last season? Because, heck, I would have thought Ben Snyder would have been on a similar path until he was destroyed in Connecticut, so I'm not exactly overflowing with confidence that Pucetas can even be a passable innings-eater right off the bat.
- And suddenly, after reading this in Baggarly's post, I feel less crazy: "And after watching Rowand play defense last season, scouts were telling me they felt Randy Winn was actually a better center fielder." Dang, what a pointless signing for the Giants.
Inspired by only the names in these two articles, allow me to rosterbate guiltily:
LF - Fred Lewis
2B - Orlando Hudson
RF - Randy Winn
1B - Adam Dunn
3B - Pablo Sandoval
C - Bengie Molina
CF - Aaron Rowand
SS - Manny Burriss
Guhhhh....I feel so dirty. There's no way I can do that again for at least another three days. But danged if that ain't a much better lineup than we had a right to expect last April. And Hudson's silly-good defense makes up for Big Donkey's iron glove at first.
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Signing Dave Roberts was pointless
Signing Aaron Rowand was superfluous.
by Natto on Nov 6, 2008 12:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn....
Ew
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Nov 6, 2008 12:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
CLOGS THE BASES!
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Nov 6, 2008 6:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more like
EMPTIES THE BASES!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 6, 2008 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your links are bassackward
I liked this from Shea’s piece:
Asked if Cain is untouchable, Sabean said, “Yes. Clubs know that. That hasn’t necessarily discouraged clubs from inquiring or making suggestions of offers. But we don’t see anything out there that gives us a net gain by losing him.”
I have an irrational love of Matt Cain the pitcher and I don’t want to see him leave. Plus, what would I do with my Natto-designed Superwonderful shirt if Cain were traded?
I haven’t been able to watch a lot of baseball the last 10 years, so take what I comment on with a grain of salt, but I’ve always liked Hudson. Just checked his stats though and it’s interesting to note his OPS+ only broke 100 after he moved to the NL in ’06. Before then he was consistently below league average (97, 87, 98, 91).
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 6, 2008 12:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It is a lot easier for the front office to go wrong moving Cain then it is to holding on to him. And that’s true if the Front office is geniuses wise men. Just saying.
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by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pucetas
He probably wasn’t advanced last year because he got hurt. He’s going to be a solid innings eater I think. Probably what the Giants hoped they were getting with Correia when they drafted him except he didn’t have the command to stay in a rotation.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 6, 2008 12:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
“I would have thought Ben Snyder would have been on a similar path until he was destroyed in Connecticut, so I’m not exactly overflowing with confidence that Pucetas can even be a passable innings-eater right off the bat.”
I know this is only reasonable, and normally I’d agree, but something happened when I saw Pucetas pitch in the Future’s Game this year. I don’t know exactly what it was, but the next thing I knew I was waking up in the parking lot of an Applebee’s in Charleston, South Carolina, buck naked and covered from head to toe in Crisco. I could only be sure of one thing: That Kevin Pucetas was going to be a quality 3rd or 4th starter in the big leagues.
Sure, he was only topping out at 91, and didn’t appear to have one devastating pitch, but what I saw was great command and movement on three pitches. In my mind, that’s a more promising make-up for a quick call up than a blazing fastball and no command (though clearly a lower ceiling).
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 6, 2008 12:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So your saying it was like Watching Burkett in this game? Suddenly a fan was aware he may not be an Ace but he was young and definitely worth while. Then things get hazy? I wants. I wants some now!
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by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, it wasn't Crisco; it was whipped butter.
And second, I said I was sorry. It’s not like we don’t all have scars from being in South Carolina.
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by Mayor of 311 on Nov 6, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that still illegal in South Carolina?
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by Lyle on Nov 6, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope you wiped all the whipped butter off your pucetas when you were done. That stuff’ll clog your pores!
Yes we did!
by Goofus on Nov 6, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope we all still think Pablo at 3B was a good idea 6 months from now.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 6, 2008 2:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, there’s “good” ideas, and then there’s “great” ideas. Nobody thinks this is a great idea. But, given the options available to us, and unless he is Dave-Kingman-bad defensively, then 3B is the logical place for him if we don’t trade away Bengie Molina. There just aren’t any good great 3B out there that we could obtain at a price lower than $Lincecum. Firstbasemen are actually obtainable (recent SF history not withdstanding), and although I have a very low opinion of Adam Dunn, even he would be an hitstorical improvement for the Giants at 1B. Teixeira, of course, even better. I would actually prefer we give Ishikawa a chance to claim the spot, but then I’m a wild-eyed optimist who refuses to take his meds, so what do I know?
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by Lyle on Nov 6, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s a terrible, awful, no-good idea. He’s a catcher. If Molina hasn’t been traded, keep Pablo in Fresno until he is.
by Evan on Nov 6, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
O-Dog
With Orlando Hudson’s hand/wrist concerns, he only makes sense at a bargain. But he’s not projected to get bargain moneys or years. So, no thank you.
by Fresburg on Nov 6, 2008 7:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers’ offer to Ramirez included the second highest average annual salary (behind Alex Rodriguez’s $27.5 million) among active players. "We said, ‘Think about it for a while,’ " said GM Ned Colletti, adding the offer won’t stay on the table long
“I’m afraid this offer comes off the table…at midnight”
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 6, 2008 7:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Come on Ned
You know Manny’s worth at least 8 years / $240 million
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That might be the worst bluff I've ever seen
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by iamawesomer on Nov 6, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even the members of Gobias Industried had to agree with that one
Molina's gonna test his arm...
by Victorious Secret on Nov 6, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ned "bluffing" to Boras
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pucetas? Him? The success rate for finesse pitchers leaping from A-ball to the majors has got to be really, really, really low.
Sabean was probably just tossing out names to give the reporter something to write. But after the Bocock Maneuver, you can never be sure.
by Evan on Nov 6, 2008 7:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hear Sabean’s still walking a little funny after the ill-advised bocock maneuver
Yes we did!
by Goofus on Nov 6, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beware to some females of that maneuver. It’ll put an eye out .
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando Hudsons a great player, but he’s like the opposite of what the Giants need
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Nov 6, 2008 7:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ah I see. If the opposite, then the Giants need more bad players!
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by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i LOLed
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 6, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And yet...
Not Funniest Poster.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but your concession speech was gracious
Yes we did!
by Goofus on Nov 6, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WalrusMan in 2012!
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Nov 6, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I accept my party’s nomination for the 2012 election!
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by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant like he’s a contact/defense guy, but yeah LOL
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Nov 6, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Salmon would be the opposite of Tuna
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
by NuschlerFace on Nov 6, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good for the Tuna.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
prefer Burrell to Dunn
really no difference on defense, but I think a RH bat would be better suited towards our park.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 6, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Plus just a guess that Burrell can be signed to a smaller deal. Maybe 3 years, while Dunn would want 5 or 6….
by Hobbes2d on Nov 6, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read some were Burrell would prefer to stay in the N.L. That and $4 gets you a cup of coffee. But if true it would make me think he is open to the idea of a position change.
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by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t Burrell’s local roots help as well? Didn’t he go to school around here or something?
Yes we did!
by Goofus on Nov 6, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Frandsen, Bellarmine Prep in SJ.
He’s from the Santa Cruz Mts (San Lorenzo I believe)
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
San Lorenzo is in the Santa Cruz Mts?
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like an unincorporated area (I think the highschool is San Lorenzo) and the river that runs to the pacific.
Not to be confused with the East Bay city.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the school district is San Lorenzo (after the river) and is technically in Ben Lomand.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok. For a minute there, I thought Burrell grew up in the ’hood.
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Bellarmine Prep. According to Baggs, “[Burrell] has told friends that playing for the Giants would be a dream come true.”
by Natto on Nov 6, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Bells!
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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 6, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a St. Francis grad, this may be the first time I’m glad of the Bells. (Only true if Burrell signs with the Giants.)
by cornball on Nov 6, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As someone who was disinvited from St. Francis after one year, I still don’t like Bellarmine – the train based rivalry for commuter students was intense…
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 6, 2008 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought it was interesting that a Bellarmine grad would end up at Miami. I know it’s a great baseball school, but it looks to me that Pat majored in baseball in HS and college.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I just think of the reputation of the Miami football program…I doubt they’re recruiting at the nation’s top Prep Schools.
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They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
additional Booooooo...
/Serra grad
by rightcenterfielder on Nov 6, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ewww
serra is a govenor’s name
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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 6, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bonus points for the topical twist
by rightcenterfielder on Nov 6, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to go to Serra for algebra classes when I was in the 8th grade, and it was not a great experience. They were not kind to the smart assed little bastard in the grade school uniform….
The experience led me to understand Barry Bonds a little better, though. It turns out he’s not a jerk, he just went to Serra. Badum-bump. That joke went over great at the Hillsdale reunion, let me tell you.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 6, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
further proof that of all the WCAL schools Riordan is still the finest institution…
FYI recruiting for Football & Basketball has done wonders CCS Champs in both
by cazzuno on Nov 7, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Given
that Dunn would play 1B at all… why would he be necessarily bad at it (compared to OF).
Burrell might be an option as well.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Nov 6, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i can live with grant's proposed roster...
and i can DEFINITELY live with midnight postings (because the only time of the day at work i got stuff done was early in the morning and this will put a stop to that nonsense), but i have a question- can we just dump rowand? between the phillies and the white sox i’m sure one would love to have him back for two borderline prospects, thus freeing up some cash for a third signing?
Dodgers fans eat their young.
by redhornet78 on Nov 6, 2008 10:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel dirty everytime I read the word Rosterbation. I blame society.
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 6, 2008 10:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did I always have hair growing on my knuckles, or is that only since reading these kinds of posts?
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by Lyle on Nov 6, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are partially blind, then yes.
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
You’re going to have to type darker – I can barely read that.
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by Lyle on Nov 6, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
It is more satisfying than solitaire
by wilriv21 on Nov 6, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of solitaire..
Anyone with Vista, whats your ? I’m at 17 wins.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Solitaire is for losers. Real men play freecell.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 6, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, free cell is solitiare.
I sport a clean 85+% winning ratio at free cell in what’s probably almost 500 games.
It’s far more gratifying than traditional solitaire because even though it takes a little more brainpower, it is actually possible to win most of the games. Solitaire is not so courteous.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 6, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at 83%
Along with your post count, that’s just one more way to tell that you’re better than me.
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by groug on Nov 6, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was cool at 76%. Moded once again.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 6, 2008 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
minesweeper is where its at
High score on expert = 119 seconds
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by stealth snail on Nov 6, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My minesweeper score has gone waaaay down (up? slower) since I bought a laptop. Back on my PC, my scores are 112, 34, 4, though.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 6, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Myself = Not a real man.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had my work done in Thailand. What about you?
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 6, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THAT’S WUT AZIAN PRON IS FOR
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame that word for instilling in me the habit of quickly and furtively assembling possible Giants rosters.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 6, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately furcal makes sense
we have no SS besides Burriss, so if we sign Furcal (hopefully to 2-3 years) that allows us to put Frandsen/Burris/Velez at 2B.
I would rather have hudson but a) if burriss stinks it were screwed at SS b) doesnt give Frandsen or Velez a chance to make the lineup.
by cazzuno on Nov 6, 2008 10:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
…that allows us to put Frandsen / Burris/ Velezat 2B.
fixed
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But nobody can get picked off of first by a left hander like Velez…think of all the baserunners we could be throwing away!
by paboperfecto on Nov 6, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think of all the routine ground balls bouncing off his glove!
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
would you want Hudson? He’s injury prone, his defense has diminished and he won’t be as effective hitting in SF as he was in AZ. He’s going to go the way of Luis Castillo very very soon.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 6, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz our current 2b’s have 200 career AB in the major and our current shortstop has 400AB
by cazzuno on Nov 6, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough veterany goodness?
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 6, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see Dunn coming to SF, unless we really overwhelmed him with money, which would probably be a bad thing. Teixeira is the most interesting idea, but obviously a huge investment in money
by NeifiChicken on Nov 6, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
1B - Adam Dunn
No!
No no no!
Please! No!
No!
I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused!
by PLUChris on Nov 6, 2008 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's not gonna sign with SF
Sometime in Sept., he tattooed two balls into 421 and got two cups of gatorade for it.
I know they’re professional and all, but he looked pretty dejected and my gut says he won’t want to play 81 games there.
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by Azantor on Nov 6, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Adam Dunn – 1B?
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by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
!oN
!on on oN
!oN !esaelP
!oN
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Soooooooo…yes?
Ok, ResDog is for it.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 6, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can someone explain this quote from the Shea article?
“We have a list of very definitive untouchables for various reasons,” Sabean said. “After that, if someone wants to get creative and we could find a way to do something, even if it takes more than one prospect, we’re willing to do it.”
Is he essentially undermining his own definition of “untouchable”, or am I just reading it wrong?
by BigO on Nov 6, 2008 10:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if he was saying he’d be willing to trade more than one prospect to another team in a deal or what?
by Dan from NM on Nov 6, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
And then implied is that while Cain, Timmy, and WIlson are included in the “untouchable” category, someone like Alderson (and MadBum!?) would not be…?
by BigO on Nov 6, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Guess
I read that as, you can’t have Timmy2 or MadBum, but may I interest you in a buffet of Clay Timper types?
by W8ingForATitle on Nov 6, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means
They have a list of untouchable players, but if the right (overwhelming) offer came along, they would be willing to make a move.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 6, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was my initial read
whereby Sabean effectively undermines the meaning of “untouchable”. I guess he wouldn’t be alone there. I suppose I should know by now that “untouchable” really means “you can’t touch him unless you give me your first born son”, but it still irritates me that they use the word.
by BigO on Nov 6, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
its all politics
and none of that shit makes sense.
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by stealth snail on Nov 6, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Given a choice ...
between Adam Dunn or Kevin Millar & a kick in the head, I’d take Kevin Millar & a kick in the head.
by StickRat on Nov 6, 2008 11:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been rosterbating like this:
B Furcal, SS
L Lewis, LF
B Hudson, 2B
R Molina, C
B Sandoval, 3B
B Winn, RF
R Rowand, CF
L Ishikawa, 1B
I like Grant’s suggestion, too, but the defense would be brutal at first and third.
by Dan from NM on Nov 6, 2008 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, who says we need the big thumper! With Furcal, we can run! We can run with Lewis! That O-Dog’ll be runnin’ too! And then, WAIT. Hold on everyone. Back to your stations. Slow it all down. Big Money’s up.
by BigO on Nov 6, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Money comes up and knocks a bases clearing single into triples alley. That works for me.
by paboperfecto on Nov 6, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan, I’m assuming B Sandoval in Pablo’s better-fielding, slimmer, better-hitting brother that the Giants have been secretly grooming to take over thirdbase??
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by Lyle on Nov 6, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IS not "in"
Oh, nevermind……
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on Nov 6, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
You made a typo making fun of a typo!
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tht sux
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on Nov 7, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
best part of the Bags Article:
–One name that I expect to be discussed on some level: Aaron Rowand. A number of teams, including the Yankees and White Sox, would be interested. And it’s reasonable to believe the Giants could get a trade partner to take a major share of Rowand’s hefty contract — especially after the Brewers surprisingly picked up Mike Cameron’s $10 million option, reinforcing the market for center fielders.
it almost seems like, with P Mags out of the picture, the real Sabes is back. Time, of course, will tell.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 6, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the more I think about it
the less likely it seems that Rowand is going anywhere. I suppose you could entice the Yanks if they get desperate – though they are now in on Mike Cameron – but the Pale Hose want someone with speed…
by BigO on Nov 6, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last I checked
The Brewers exercised their option on Mike Cameron.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Nov 6, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they did
but now they’re apparently talking about dealing him to the Yanks
by BigO on Nov 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
the plot thickens
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fact
there it is, even, in the beautifully blocked quote above.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
You mean there is a huge market for center fielders. You Brian Sabean are a genius. Well Played.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 6, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval
I’m still not sold on him at a position other than catcher. He has the worst strike zone discipline in baseball (most likely to swing at a pitch out of the zone). Granted he’s very young and could pan out to be a Hall of Fame caliber player. But a position that fails to utilize his ability to throw out a base stealers will seriously take away from his value.
by Change Up on Nov 6, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind guys that swing at everything if they can hit everything hard. Vladoval FTW!
Yes we did!
by Goofus on Nov 6, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny/true story
As Grant was writing today’s entry, Mrs. Grant walked in on him while he was rosterbating.
Yes we did!
by Goofus on Nov 6, 2008 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Check out ESPN's depth chart for the GIants
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove08/index
Oh, how I love the in depth knowledge that the great minds of ESPN bring us.
Playoffs!!??
by PAWarrior on Nov 6, 2008 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hurk
Barry Zito - Mildly half-OK! Sometimes.
by Revolution1 on Nov 6, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YARRRGH F**K F*CK FU*K ESPN
The number 7 topic in their top 10 offseason ‘hot topics’ is “How will the Yankees respond after missing the playoffs?” Last time I checked, 21 other teams didn’t make the playoffs also.
It’s not surprising, but man, F*%&^$K ESPN
Kyle Nicholson: the fyootch
by stealth snail on Nov 6, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on Nov 6, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except the other 21 teams aren’t likely to go crazy because of it.
by cheno on Nov 7, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I especially enjoy the parts where Rohlinger is our everyday 3B and the ESPN.com gods ate up Bengie (wouldn’t that be tough to do? even if they are internet gods, they would have to have huge mouths…)
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 6, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the complete elimination of Fred Lewis for an everyday Dave Roberts.
“This is indeed a disturbing universe.”
by rightcenterfielder on Nov 6, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so essentially, ESPN writes about how the Giants are in a youth movement and decides to exclude quite possibly THE key component of this youth movement. hmm…
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 6, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently lewis isnt on the depth chart anymore…i think ESPN is predicting a trade of Fred Lewis for noboday
sounds like a smart move my Sabes
by cazzuno on Nov 7, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ACCIDENTAL DFA!
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 7, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Traded with Sanchez for Travis Denker!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Nov 7, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this lineup better:
LF – Fred Lewis
2B – Orlando Hudson
RF – Randy Winn
1B – Pablo Sandoval
3B – Adrian Beltre
C – Bengie Molina
CF – Aaron Rowand
SS – Manny Burriss
less pop, but much better defense. Of course, what we’d have to give up to get Beltre is another question. It is likely too much. I would love to see Hudson playing here, however.
by Sayhey on Nov 6, 2008 9:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not really relevant to the above article but this comment was on the Giants’ homepage under the Romo article that appeared recently:
To rebuild, Giants need to trade anybody and everybody with apparent value. Lincecum. Cain. Wilson. Sandoval. Lewis. Trade for top prospects. Bench the veterans. Keep players with no apparent value like Romo and Schierholtz. That is how the Giants can be competitive in less than 5 years.
Made me laugh, just thought I’d share the mirth.
by paboperfecto on Nov 7, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whoever thought it was a good idea to add a comments section to MLB.com needs to be taken out back and beaten with a laptop.
by Natto on Nov 7, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost reported it as abuse for “Poster must have been high, please remove before Sabean reads this and acts on it” but wasn’t sure if that really qualified as abuse under their rules.
by paboperfecto on Nov 7, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And when the prospects mature into good players? Trade them for even more prospects.
And when those prospects mature into good players? Trade them for even more prospects.
At the proposed rate, the Giants would have 1,341 prospects by the year 2042. You would have to bench players like Brian McCann to start players like Joe Mauer.
It can’t lose.
by Grant on Nov 10, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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