Edgar Renteria=my thoughts
(this is written as an article because i copied
and pasted from my blog))
If you claim to associate yourself with the Giants you would know rumors were flying around today that we had signed Edgar Renteria to a two year eighteen million dollar contract. At first I was infuriated why was Sabean signing a rapidly declining 32 year old shortstop? The other increasingly baffling part was that Sabean was signing Renteria a week away from the arbitration deadline, why would Sabean sign a Type A free agent before the team can even offer the particular player arbitration ( this would ensure the Tigers our 2nd round draft pick due to the fact that we have the number six overall pick in order to have your first round draft pick protected you must have a record among the fifteen worst in baseball if you sign a type a free agent before their previous team can offer them arbitration or sign the type a free agent after the team has offered them arbitration.)? After thinking for a good chunk of time I came to the conclusion that the value a team would get in return from signing Renteria compared to Furcal would be astronomical. First of all the latest rumored "high bidder" for Furcal is thought to be the Braves whom are rumored to be offering a 4 year deal worth 52 million. The Giants so called offer stands at 2 years 18 million but he would also probably accept a 3 year 21 million dollar deal. Furcal's contract comes out to around 13 million on average over 5 years whereas Renteria comes out to only 7 million over 3 years, a whole lot less risky considering the fact furcal only played in 36 games last year. Over his career Furcal has averaged 11 r 66 rbi's and a .286 average which is not shabby at all. as well as .353 obp and .412 slg resulting in a line of .286/.353/.412 but, with stellar defense. Renteria on the contrary has averaged 11 hr 72 rbi's a .290 average and an obp of .347 and a slg% of .405 which = a line of .290/.347/.405. Oddly how remarkable similar the two players are huh? Both players have their fair share of questions marks though, Furcal is comming of an injury plauged season and his defense has regressed a bit. Renteria is comming off a season where he hit a very low (for him) .270 and only drove in 55 runs but also made 9 less plays than the average ss according to the fielding bible. At the same time I found it remarkable how similar last years stats were for Renteria compared to his previous only trip to the AL with the Red Sox in 2005 Renteria hit .276 with 8 hr and 77 rbi's before being shipped back to the National league where he hit .296 with 14 hr and 76 rbi's. You have to remember prior to going to the Tigers he hit .332 12 hr and 57 rbi's. And last year he hit .270 10 and 56. Again I don't expect the guy to hit .332 next season but I definetly think .290 12 and 65 is well in reach, which would be great offensive output from the ss position for us, only the orioles has worse production from the ss position last year. I think much of his regression last year could simply be attributed to playing in the American league similarly to what happened to him in 2005. Over the last five years Renteria has 54 home runs compared to Furcal's 53. Renteria has average 64.2 Rbi's over the last five seasons compared to Furcal's 48.3 (albeit he only played 36 games last year but that's still a difference of about 8 rbi's per year had he been healthy) And lastly Renteria has averaged a .291.6 average the last five years while Furcal has hit, .284.4. As you can see not only is Furcal the much more expensive riskier option, but he has also not been as consistent or performed as well as my new friend Edgar Renteria. At the same time I truly do believe the Giants have a deal in place for Renteria but don't want to announce it out of fear of the Tigers offering Renteria arbitration to claim the Giants 2nd round pick I expect the deal to be announced sometime soon after December 2. I commend Sabean and the organization if this is the case for making a great decision they very well could be gaining the greater offensive player for half the price. Thank you
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 25, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My eyes hurt squared
squared a hundred times.
But I made it through it all. I need some Tylenol now…
The main thing to support Renteria returning to career norms next season is that his strikeout rate and BB/K ratio were about the same or better in 2008 than for his career. In addition, even when he was not productive as a hitter (first half basically; May to July specifically), he was still striking out and walking at about the same rate as he had always done in his career, which shows that it was merely a long string of bad luck that drove his batting line down in 2008 and he should return to career norms next season. At minimum, 2008 was not a decline year, it was just a bad luck year.
FYI, comparing HR and RBI is not a robust way to compare players today. RBI is totally dependent on the opportunities you get based on where you hit in the lineup, and HR is dependent on getting ABs. It would be better to look at their full batting line plus I like to use their AB/HR ratio to show how good a homerun hitter he is (or isn’t), plus his strikeout rate and BB/K ratio is good to include when they are indicators of goodness.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 25, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boooooooo Martin!
50 something comments and you have to go ruin it with actually commenting on the content of the post.
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I probably shouldn't do this...
But how does a baseball player hit for a .291.6 average?
Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 25, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very carefully?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By hitting better than his competitor for the job whom hit .284.4.
by paboperfecto on Nov 25, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to pile on...
especially after I was harsh last week inre: your blog post, but couldn’t this have just gone in one of the other three Renteria threads?
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 24, 2008 10:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
its ok and yea i guess
so didnt think about that oddly? i’ts ok an to ummm KCE you realize you didn’t have to open it>?
by caincecum on Nov 24, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here I was thinking, “Jeez, this day needs moar Renteria posts” and here you are delivering. Well done.
by KCE on Nov 24, 2008 10:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
needs bullet points
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Nov 24, 2008 10:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I never realized a person could be mathematically equal to another person’s thoughts.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 24, 2008 10:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to think my thoughts are equal to at least Jose Reyes, maybe even Hanley Ramirez.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right now I’d settle for my thoughts simply equaling Omar Vizquel (2006 version).
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 25, 2008 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a poor man’s Steve Hosey.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Nov 25, 2008 6:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't tell you how disappointed I am...
That I now realize my thoughts only equal Marvin Benard. I think I’ll cry myself to sleep tonight.
And please… For the love of Bonds… Paragraphs, man!
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by JRPhillips on Nov 25, 2008 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just imagine..
There were 4 Fanpost’s for an Edgar Renteria signing, imagine the total if we were to sign CC. CC is about 5 times as valuable as Renteria, so 20 Fanposts??
by giantsrockdudes on Nov 24, 2008 11:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Next Fanpost: Renteria ZIPS projections
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 25, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the point of having your own blog if you’re going to cross-post and promote it so often here?
by Dan from NM on Nov 25, 2008 5:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+11111111
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Nov 25, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want my enhancing already.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 25, 2008 5:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't usually do this
It must be the lack of paragraph marks that made me nitpick, but I always find it funny when people take the trouble to use “whom” but use it when they should have just stuck with “who” as in:
First of all the latest rumored “high bidder” for Furcal is thought to be the Braves whom are rumored to be offering a 4 year deal worth 52 million.
by paboperfecto on Nov 25, 2008 6:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t whom what you’re whoming awhom.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2008 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big whup ya whom.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 25, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best of The Whom?
I’ll go with Quadrophenia.
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Whom’s Next, myself.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 25, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whom Are You?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 25, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whom’t Get Fooled Again
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 25, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did it ever bug anyone else that JT Snow’s walkup music was “Wont’ Get Fooled Again”? Seems to me like he got fooled a lot. Just saying.
by tyrannoman on Dec 1, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny, I remember JT Snow having a great strike zone.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since everyone's piling on...
If you claim to associate yourself with the Giants you would know
Does that mean we are elitists? Am I one by assocation? Awesome!
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Nov 25, 2008 6:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was unable to read it. I started and then my head exploded due to the lack of paragraphs.
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by The Thrill on Nov 25, 2008 7:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This
by FairweatherFan on Nov 25, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
My head almost exploded too, and I’ve already had a cup of coffee and it still hurts from trying to read this.
by Mrbasepaul on Nov 25, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NEEDS MORE TEXT IN A GIANT BLOCK!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 25, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
NOW PRESENTING, TEXT ON A STICK!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 25, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont texticles come in pairs?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 25, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On a realted note...
I heard the quality assurance folks give each Tickle Me Elmo doll two test tickles before it leaves the factory.
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what’s so realted about that?
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Nov 25, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought..
You had to give each doll a test tickle. You claimed that before. Are you a liar?
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by WalrusMan on Nov 25, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not for poly-orchids
They have more than two. :^)
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 25, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you all are harsh
but totally right
(by the way, this post would have been copied from my blog if I had one)
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
for my full thoughts on this subject, read my blog.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 25, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
That was my LOL for the day
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your welcome. Though, it’s not like I had work to do or anything.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 25, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This poll needs an “I did not read this post because my brain exploded from the lack of line breaks” option… that’s where my vote would go.
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
by j14 on Nov 25, 2008 9:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
I haven’t been able to get out of this fan post or fan shot or whatever the Edgar it’s called precisely because of the brain damage I’ve suffered from trying to read the post. The least I can do is at least vote on it and feel like I’ve accomplished something positive.
by Mrbasepaul on Nov 25, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever the Edgar
my newest try-to-keep-it-clean phrase.
I always effing slip up, though.
Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.
by tk on Nov 25, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they have a good internet connection down in Cartagena, because Edgar Renteria may never again have this many nerds discussing his worthiness.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
by Kitspool on Nov 25, 2008 9:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
those were my thoughts on this topic
by fwoty oz on Nov 25, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I refute your first bullet point with this, , put that in you pipe and smoke it.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Nov 25, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But do they equal your thoughts on the topic?
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know kung fu
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on Nov 25, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you gotta complete the sentence
I know fung fu, judo, karate and three other japanese words
by wilriv21 on Nov 25, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Strange things are afoot at McCovey Chronicles.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 25, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely done.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what’s the point?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 25, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And where's the point?
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 25, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Steve McQueen?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 25, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beauty!
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 25, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like the Rush ad from a few days ago. (Wasn't that yours, too?)
Should we be worried about xanthan?
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Nov 25, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they bore the shit out of me.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Nov 25, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if you’d used numbers instead of bullet points, it would have been “Number 1 with a bullet!”
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is one sentence here
The other increasingly baffling part was that Sabean was signing Renteria a week away from the arbitration deadline, why would Sabean sign a Type A free agent before the team can even offer the particular player arbitration ( this would ensure the Tigers our 2nd round draft pick due to the fact that we have the number six overall pick in order to have your first round draft pick protected you must have a record among the fifteen worst in baseball if you sign a type a free agent before their previous team can offer them arbitration or sign the type a free agent after the team has offered them arbitration.)?
Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.
by tk on Nov 25, 2008 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
.)?
Is this an emoticon for Popeye?
by satyricrash on Nov 25, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s actually just a close paren.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
close parens just don’t understand.
by satyricrash on Nov 25, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i cant believe there was a nightmare on my street.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Nov 25, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd really like to see this Fanpost continue...
Edgar Renteria=my thoughts
Anyone else care to weigh in as to the player
that most equals your thoughts?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 25, 2008 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m gonna go with…..A-Rod. Why? He digs older chicks!
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Nov 25, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if we're talking all time
Steve Balboni= my thoughts
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 25, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cuckoo clock at midnight = my thoughts
by satyricrash on Nov 30, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really gotta ask?
Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.
by tk on Nov 30, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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