This isn’t the post you’re looking for. You can go about your business. Move along.

They could have had him for $12M. They paid him $3M to go away. If they offer arbitration, Renteria would Maddux their butt in a nano-second and accept it because he made $10M last season and while his stats were not in line with career, it was still around average for a SS, above average for an AL SS, so he can ask for at least $10M and end up $1M ahead of the $12M the Tigers could have optioned him for. He probably could ask for $11M given his good stats, as arbitrators appear to favor OKing raises to players who do well.

That would make the Tigers look pretty dumb, and Dombrowski has not been a dumb GM, not for the Tigers, not for the Marlins, not for the Expos. If I had my choice of any GM, I would chose Dombrowski. I’m sure he has probably thought about what to do about offering arbitration and it just doesn’t make sense, they could had had him for an extra $9M and going through arbitration would cost at least $10M because that’s what he made in 2008 and he didn’t do anything to warrant a drop in salary. If the Tigers tip their hand and suggest that to his agent, I would then push it and ask for $12M, as the arbitration would still select the $12M since a decrease is not warranted. The arbitration system is skewed to the players, pushing it higher when teams make a mistake with their offers, like with Ryan Howard.

right, the only way that kinda made sense was if, as someone in grant’s thread speculated, the signing was also designed to help us get cc sabathia. if the Giants thought they really had a chance to get a deal done with sabathia quickly if they signed renteria first, then it would make sense because it would effectively only cost us a 3rd round pick (because cc is going to cost us our 2nd rounder no matter what if we sign him).

Sabean has mastered the art of posterizing.

Whichever one involves Baron Davis

Well, as Andy Baggarly stated in his blog post, the Tigers already paid Renteria $3 million to buy out his 2009 option. So the Tigers would have to be 100% positive that the Giants (or some other team for that matter) are going to offer him a multiple year contract. Otherwise, the Tigers would essentially be paying him an extra $3 million on top of whatever he would make in arbitration.

As to the theoretical question why would the Giants be talking with another SS if Renteria is in the fold? You have seen what we been calling Third base recently. From what I’ve read and the Small Sample Sized I’ve seen is mainly Renteria’s range that is going down hill.

/shurgs

agents use teams to drive up the price of their clients, why wouldn’t teams use agents to make their stories fit?

I thought the split on bad terms sothats intresting. Thanks for the info.

Amen

a lot of what you said is correct, but let’s not get carried away, Burriss will probably never be as good a hitter as even a broken down version of Renteria. Burriss has no power whatsoever, his .329 SLG last year was 290th in MLB out of 314 players with at least 250 plate appearances, he had a grand total of 8 extra base hits in his 240 ABs. He slugged only .338 in his minor league career. His lack of power will likely prevent him from ever being an everyday player. Even at his worst last year Renteria hit .270/.317/.382, and if you look at his last several years in the NL (where he always plays better than in the AL) he is clearly a much better hitter than Burriss and will be no matter how long he plays.

Whilst Burriss will likely be better defensively i’d say the chances of him being better offensively are very slim indeed! Even last year, when we were pleased with Burriss’s (and worried that he’ll regress) & Renteria had a bad year, he still outhit Burriss. In fact, in hasn’t hit as bad as Burris did last year in 8 years!

Or if we look at the projection systems, Oliver has Renteria with a wOBA of .331 & Burriss with a wOBA of .291. Bill James had Burriss with an OPS of 664 & Renteria with an OPS of 795. So all the evidence suggests that Renteria will be better offensively than Burriss & probably by a huge amount as well!

I say, lol to you sir.

Burriss would be better than Renteria both offensively and defensively.

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If the Tigers are stupid enough to offer arbitration, it would net his client more money in 2009 and gives him another chance to hit well and get a bigger contract next off-season.

If the Giants decide not to continue pursuit, there are other teams looking, that would be willing to give him a one year $8M contract probably (assuming the Giants are high bid at $9M per and other teams only got up to $8M). It’s not as much as with the Giants, but with $3M already in pocket, that is $11M for the season, plus he gets another year to hit well and get a better contract next off-season.

Thus a very low risk move on their part. If the Giants don’t like it, they can move on to Orlando Cabrera, Renteria probably has a number of options available to him where he don’t have to go with the Giants, his agent won’t shed a tear.

macchron?