Giants sign Renteria?
I don't practice Renteria, I ain't got no crystal ball...
According to MLB Trade Rumors, the Giants have signed Edgar Renteria to a two-year, $18M contract. When I wrote my original post about Renteria, I assumed he would get a four-year deal, even though he was coming off a down year. If it's true the Giants only gave him two years, I'm on board, especially as the 2010 FA market is completely devoid of shortstops. And if this deal prevented a 4/$50M deal to Rafael Furcal, then I'll take it as the lesser of two evils.
I'll miss the second-round pick, so I'll just assume the Giants were going to pick another Jackson Williams.
UPDATE: THIS WAS A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY RUMOR NETWORK. THIS WAS ONLY A TEST. IN THE EVENT OF AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY RUMOR, THIS FANSHOT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY A LONGER FRONT-PAGE POST.
Or, to put it another way, according to Henry Schulman, rumors of Renteria's signing have been greatly exaggerated.
about 3 years ago
Grant Brisbee
471 comments
0 recs |
Email
PrintComments
Carrying this over from the side thread, but Rentria’s projections are pretty optimistic for a player who had his worst offensive season last year.
Bill James – wOBA .334
Marcel – wOBA .336
Oliver – .331
Renteria had a .308 wOBA this past season.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I think league average wOBA is projected to be .332 next year. The average NL SS had an wOBA of .323 in 2008.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I’m happy with the signing, if it is the 2/18 deal. With some bounce back offensively, and hopefully defensively, this could turn out well.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Yeah, if he continues to slip defensively he’ll be pretty bad. But, if he can defend around average, the deal isn’t bad.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Yup, and worst case scenario is it’s two years.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Yeah, I’m hoping the deal length is right. If it is, 2-years is nothing.
How do you guys feel about Burriss at 2B? I keep going back and forth. He’s going to need to defend like Mark Ellis to have any net positive at 2B. And defending like Mark Ellis is probably pretty hard to do.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I’m in the same boat, but put me down for more time for Burriss in the minors. I’ve been wish casting this offseason about what Burriss could contribute at the MLB level, but the more I think about it the more skeptical I become.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Sabes won’t put him in the minors though, he loves to let prospects rot on the bench as backups.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
Yeah, but this has been a pretty intelligent offseason (one transgression aside) so maybe that won’t happen.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I’m curious, is that one transgression letting Denker go, or are you referring to something else?
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
It’s Denker.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Ok, good. Even though i’m still not pleased he’s gone, I don’t hurt as much knowing burriss could be groomed either way if this signing is true.
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
plus I think Burriss/Frandsen/Velez could hold down the fort for two years until noonan is (hopefully) ready
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Only if Frandsen is seeing a lot of play time at third base. Otherwise I would rather install as starting SS In Fresno so he can keep getting better and close to MLB ready for whenone of the other middle infielders fall down and go boom.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Also, do yourself a favor and not read the comments section of the MLBTR page.
OMG GIANTS R DUMZ!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
sfgiants.com
hasn’t announced it yet but says they’re negotiating
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
Negotiating with someone who can code a page in HTML?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
Chris Haft is furiously chasing the guy that setup the BBWAA page.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t practice Renteria, I ain’t got no crystal ball…
If Sabes had 90 million he’d spend it all!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions
But I ain’t seen nothin’ like him in no amusement hall….
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
From another Sublime song
Rumors is what I got
Don’t start a riot
You’ll feel it when the stove gets hot
…
I don’t cry when my pitchers are traded away
I don’t get angry at the contracts we have to pay
I don’t get angry when my GM signs rot
Hits the market and abuses the trading block
Blogging and yelling it’s all the same
Livin’ with the McCoven’s the only way to stay sane
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 24, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OK that is awesome.
Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.
by tk on Nov 24, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
If you want to be positive . . .
You could point out he’s only 1 season removed from a .332 BA and a 125 OPS+
also, you could point out that has been a lot better playing in the NL
2002 StL .305 .364 .439 .803
2003 StL .330 .394 .480 .874
2004 StL .287 .327 .401 .728
2005 Bos .276 .335 .385 .720
2006 Atl .293 .361 .436 .797
2007 Atl .332 .390 .470 .860
2008 Det .270 .317 .382 .699
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
i was just thinking this. moving back to the nl could really help him offensively. defensively, eh, let’s hope for the best. is there any way if he sucks at ss he could be moved to 2b, with burriss moving back to ss?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
BABIP
his was very low compared to his LD%
He’s likely to bounce back, albeit probably not to his 07 levels, but 06 levels could be possible. Or a hybrid of 05 and 06
I like it
The better team we have before CC is signed, helps us. It’s only 2 years. In time for Burriss to develop and take over.
the rush to get him
makes me inclined to think they’re trying to impress CC
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Did you say...
Rush?
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
So
I suppose this means Burriss rides the pine or shares time at 2nd, rather than developing in Fresno?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
I hope not
Honestly, it’s wouldn’t be too bad to have a full season in Fresno for both Burriss and Sandoval.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Yeah, I know, it’s just that he’s only got ~300 ABs at AA or above. While they were fantastic, it would probably be in his best interest to get a little more seasoning.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I know…
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
frandsen?
Seriously though is Pablo’s bat stays remotely alive his ability to man 3 spots including back up C makes him too useful to leave in the minors at this point.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
I like Frandsen, but not sa much as Pablo. Plus I like a lineup with Pablo + Frandsen much more than Frandsen + Burriss/Velez.
Franny can slide from 2B to 3B when Pablo needs a day off or to spell Benjie.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
I am fine with that pattern of use for Frandsen. However then I really think Burriss has to be installed at SS in Fresno. Possible Russell Branyan or Aurilia for cheep 1-2 year contract as well.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
What if?
They signed Renteria as a 3B… a la Nomar?
by lincysgiants on Nov 24, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure that's true.
Pablo hit all season long. He hit in A+, so he got moved to Conn, with the pitcher friendly parks. He hit anyway, earning a ‘lil Papi’ nickname, and a callup. He continued to hit in the majors, though for a little less power. I really don’t think there’s any reason to send him down. Sometimes, good players don’t need much time in the minors. This season may have just been the magical combination of a player maturing and hitting his stride, and just getting it together.
Call me crazy, but I just don’t think you send a player down when he hits .345 in his callup.
My Hope
Velez and Frandsen up with the big club, splitting time at 2B. Burriss starts at SS at Fresno, which allows Bocock to go to AA, more akin the where he belongs
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Edgar Renteria
Nice addition. Gives SF to sort out the Burriss, Frandsen, Noonan, Schoop, Culberson, Crawford, Adrianza mix the next few season. Gives SF another experienced bat in the line-up and some vet savvy in a few young infield.
- Where will he bat in batting order?
No doubt!
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
by NuschlerFace on Nov 24, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming they keep Wiin and don’t sign anyone else, I agree:
Lewis
Winn
Renteria
Molina
Pablo
Rowand
Frandsen
Ishi
P
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
is it just me or does that lineup not look terrible?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
*sniff*
I know
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
definitely you…
maybe not terrible if you added 2004 Barry Bonds in there
by kingofthacove on Nov 24, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
you mean
other than the lack of anyone actually good
and suspects Frandsen and Ishikawa… yeah, it might not be the bottom 3rd instead of bottom 6th of the NL.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
I'm confident on the following things:
that Lewis and Winn will be about as good as last year.
Pablo will be much better than Castle
Molina will probably get a little worse
Rowand will be better
Frandsen/Burriss will be better than Bocock/Velez/Vizquel
Ishikawa will be comprable or better than Bowker
It’s definitely not a knockout offense, but methinks it will be better than Your 2008 SF Giants.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget about Durham, though. He put up some good numbers with us while he was here, and that has to be replaced.
true
but I think Renteria will be pretty comprable to what Durham did. Pure speculation, though, of course.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
I’m confident on the following things:
that Lewis and Winn will be about as good as last year.
May I ask why? Lewis had what looks like flooky BABIP issues this year, and Winn is coming off one of the best years of his career and will be 35 next year. I’m fairly certain that both will decline.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
And
Winn’s career stats are remarkably steady and consistent, year over year, with the exception of a) his stellar numbers after joining the Giants in 2005 and b) his relatively sub-par 2006.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
His line this year was .306/.363/.426. Not crazy, but definitely above his career averages, and he’s going to be 35 next year. FWIW, Oliver, ZiPS, and Bill James all project Winn to lose 27-33 points of OPS.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
I’m fine with the 4-8, but i think the top 3 would be Winn, Renteria, Lewis. This Giants said they wanted lewis in a run producing role. Winn is a serviceable leadoff man, and renteria is best suited to hit 2nd
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
i agree
winn seems to hit well at leadoff and i’ve always thought second was a good place for renteria in the lineup (back in the days when he was with st. louis, I always used to wonder why larussa kept batting him sixth… put him in front of pujols and he would’ve been really dangerous).
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 24, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
- Not a bad idea
- I think I’ll do the same
- And say it was my idea
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
List of posters who are glad to not be named lame:
- WalrusMan
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
I don’t really like Edgar Renteria – he’s an erratic player on both sides of the ball coming off a bad year on the wrong side of 30. I’d rather have played Manny Burris. At least it’s just two years
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
Riiight
Because Manny Burriss is really going to be more productive at the plate and better defensively at SS than Edgar Renteria for the next 2 years.
First part? No.
Second part? Almost certainly.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
In retrospect, it needed bullet points.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Taken in a vacuum, I understand your point
In the context of an infield consisting almost entirely of guys with little major league experience and questionable minor league track records… the Giants had to do something. You can’t go into the season with an essentially (if not officially) rookie infield.
AS for the contract, I don’t see how they could have done much better with the available options. Without looking it up, 2nd round picks aren’t all that valuable. The bonus money would be just as well spent on the amateur FA market.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Least favorite baseball myth. How many years you have played baseball does not matter. “Intangibles” do not matter. Putting runs on the board or keeping runs off the board matters.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
Don't get me wrong, I don't care about about intangibles
I’m saying that the Giants “prospects” suck. Alot. Both now, and probably going forward.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Eh, we’ve got a good farm system it’s just the players we trot out at the major league level and pretend are prospects aren’t very good. Bowker, Ishikawa, Velez, Ortmeier, even Frandsen (never a huge Frandsen believer) are C- guys but Sandoval, Bumgarner, Alderson, Villalona, those guys are a better bet to break that cycle going forward.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
Of the guys you listed
Only two are hitters, only one is in/near the majors, and none are shortstops.
I’ll be surprised if Noonan or Villalona, or any of their other low-minors hitting prospects are really MLB ready before Renteria’s contract is up (notice I didn’t say “make their MLB debut,” an important distinctions given the Giants’ recent behavior).
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
none of those guys are SSs
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
our infield
needs some guys who don’t look a googly-eyed at MLB pitching
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
What’s the worst case scenario, that they suck? They already suck! They suck with Edgar Renteria. If his hitting doesn’t bounce back they might even suck more with Edgar Renteria, it’s plausible that Manny Burriss is capable of hitting .270/.317/.382 or close enough that the difference in his defense would make him more valuable.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
The worst case scenario
Is that none of the infielders have a future in the majors, and the Giants just wasted another season of Lincecum. Entirely plausible, IMO. I’m certainly not sold on Sandoval’s bat at 1B or glove at 3B, and he’s probably the best prospect of the bunch.
Furthermore, the risk is that they might get all desperate again and start promoting guys who aren’t even close to MLB ready, but might be at some point in the future. I’m a believer in agressive promotion, but there’s a limit. No one would get anything out Noonan or Villalona embarrass themselves in the majors, least of all Noonan and Villalona.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
the wrong side of 30.
He’ll be 33 and 34 the next two season. I can deal with that. Omar was 38 his first season with the Giants. Using that benchmark, this is a friggin’ youth movement!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Like this much better than Furcal or Hudson for 4 years that was rumored. Also at 2 years, along with the Affeldt signing, it means we’ll also have cap space for the LeBron sweepstakes.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 24, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply actions
But Villanolla will be coming up soon
LeBron will be blocking him by then!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
All well and good...
But we’re not going anywhere until we get a left tackle to protect Timmy’s blind side.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
was renteria so hotly pursued the giants had to get him now and give up a pick? i think they should have waited until he was truly a free agent.
He might have accepted.
He’d have guaranteed at least 8M in arbitration.
Also, I doubt Renteria and his agent would have just sat on a two year contract w/ all the crazy numbers for Furcal flying around.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
they would have if they knew about the Giants offer
and I don’t trust Renteria and his agent to keep it quite.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
They will now, sure
But tenjay’s pont was that if the Giants had waited, then they wouldn’t have had to give up the pick.
Guess it’s a mute point for all intensive purposes.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
*moot
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
eggcorns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn
I just saw a new one there: “Spurt of the moment” LOL!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
The other thing is if Furcal had signed by the 1st Renterria become the best SS on the free agent market. It’s possible they heard the Furcall deal was imitated and decided to jump the gun. Just one more thing to consider.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
yeah, I’m thinking the Giants didn’t just forget about the draft pick implications. There must be some negotiation related reason why this had to get done before the arbitration deadline.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I still think
this is part of the wooing of CC
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Arbitration contracts are NOT GUARANTEED
You take arbitration, you’re guaranteed 30 days’ termination pay. That’s all.
Also, he wasn’t guaranteed $8 million at all; the 80% rule is inapplicable for free agents.
There’s virtually no way that Renteria would have accepted arbitration.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
whether or not he would have accepted arbitration is a totally mute point (to quote somebody below), very few people actually accept arbitration. The question is whether or not the Tigers would have offered it.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
I just mentioned it to the wife and she said: “He used to be good, right?”
I guess I dont like the loss of the pick and the seeming inability to stick to a rebuilding plan…though it is only two seasons. In truth, I realize I just had Hardy lust.
Welcome Edgar—you’re one of the 25 best players in baseball now—you’re a Gigante!
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
So is this the end of the speed ‘n’ defense era in Giants history? I can’t remember the last time Sabean went for an offense-first player.
Well...
Durham, Molina ,Rowand, Aurilia, and Klesko all drew most if not all of their value from their bat. In fact, the only defense-first players we’ve signed in the past two years are Vizquel and (arguably) Roberts.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
I’ll grant you Durham, and Klesko I guess, though really he was just a cheap flyer rather than a coherent choice. But as for the others — huh??? Rowand and Molina have long had stellar defensive reputations and spotty offensive ones. The fact that they turned out not to be very good in the field doesn’t change that. Aurilia would be offense-first at shortstop, but he has been almost entirely a first and third baseman with the Giants.
I guess you’re right, but still… Rowand had good defensive reputation, but he was also a top 5 offensive CF the year that we signed him. Molina had also had two good offensive seasons before we signed him. I partially take back what I said, but really I just don’t think that we ever had a “speed ‘n’ defense” era. It was more of a “we have no offense but we need something to sell tickets with, so let’s side that with a stupid slogan” era. Or at least that’s how I see it.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
This!!
It was more of a "we have no offense but we need something to sell tickets with, so let’s side that with a stupid slogan" era.
Dead on, Straight up, Righteous truth.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Pretty good signing
I like the money, only 2 years, but I have doubts about his hitting. His fielding is still above average
by Lo on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST reply actions
draft picks
so what happens if the giants sign cc too…what draft pick is lost if you sign two type A free agents?
by travis j bagdad on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST reply actions
I think our 3rd rounder…would go to the Tigers
by NeifiChicken on Nov 24, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t wait for the fluff pieces….
Over the offseason, Edgar [noticed a mechanical flaw in his swing/added 10lbs of muscle/partook in rigorous defensive drills] and is [in the best shape of his life/ready to play 162 games/feeling like he was 27-years-old again]!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Wash, rinse, and repeat:
Still better than 4 years of Furcal
Still better than 4 years of Furcal
Still better than 4 years of Furcal
Still better than 4 years of Furcal
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
There already was one...
Like last week that Renteria was working out rigorously to improve his defense and conditioning.
What was Burriss’ +/- at SS last year? I believe you posted it awhile back….can’t seem to find it.
I think Burriss was a couple of plays below average, but the sample is really too small to draw any conclusions from.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Maybe Shakira will come to Giants games
have started already. Read he is back home in Columbia working with a personal trainer trying to regain the lost step scouts have been talking about.
I want to read more about his feud with Orlando Cabrerra
that was a pretty interesting story I thought
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
He should do all those things
Edgar, do those things.
Edgar, do.
Edgar do.
Edgardo.
OH GOD NO
GROUGTHINK ALERT
And just like that, all my optimism has been sucked out. THANKS A LOT
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Just keep reminding yourself, it’s 2 yrs, $18M, not 4 yrs, $26 M. And Steve Finley will not be walking through that door again.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
Man, it must have been fun when a 4 yrs, $26M contract was the worst contract on the team.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
Every popular blog is a mix of blatant homerism, obnoxious people and people who know what they are talking about. The ratio is here is better than there (and most places) but not so much that I’d want to cast stones.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
Hey this is the best consolation prize available.
My first preference would have been a Big O advocated type of trade like swap for Cedeno for Winn. Failing that Lillibridge for Winn.
But if we have to go with someone from the Illudium Q-36 Savvy Gamer Veteran Team Obliterator Talent Evaluator 2 years under 10M per for Renterria is fair enough. Only way that move gets better is its done next week ( keep the pick) or its slightly less. A hearty not bad Sabean
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
golf clap
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
sweet!
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Here's my guess to how the signing goes
Renteria has two quality years (.340/.440 or something), and then gets an extension and sucks
Argh.
My first reaction is that I would’ve preferred the defense of Burriss, but if this is the least bad free agent signing Sabean could make for shortstop, I will issue the least forceful complaints I can think of.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
The pick situation
We only would have kept the pick if the Tigers had not offered arbitration. If they had and he declined, we still give the pick. Is this correct? Just want to make sure I understand this right.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 24, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions
Then I like it even more
I don’t think keeping the draft pick was an option. There is very little out there in the SS market, no way Renteria takes a one year deal. It’s also possible a mini-biding war could break out after Furcal does sign.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
the reaction
me: “mom, the giants just signed one of those two baseball players from cartagena”
colombian mom, in her thick accent: “oh good, now they’ll be good”
me: “um, not really…”
Dodgers fans eat their young.
Guys The Source IS WFAN!
Not saying it ain’t true but I at least indend to wait for confirmation before I react.
Why did it take so long for someone to post this
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Nov 24, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
OT: has anyone here had an appendectimy (sp)? If so, how long does it take to get over?
I can haz homerunz!
No, but I know a woman who became a man and had an addadicktome.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Hahaha, excellent.
jbowl, get over it how, specifically? Like, able to function without pain? Or able to play sports?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
It always cracks me up when somebody refers to “an emergency appendectomy.” Is there really any other kid on appendectomy? Like a routinely scheduled appendectomy or something like that?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Ya sorry, I just had one early sunday morning and its still killing me so I was wondering if anyone had any experiance with it.
I can haz homerunz!
my sister had one last year. She was off of work for about a week, no lifting or physical stuff for 2 weeks. I was just reading today [Newsweek I think it was] about some dude who got his appendix taken out through his mouth! For women they can go in though the uh… ahem… reproductive area…
Apparently those tummy muscles don’t like to be messed with, and the alternate routes heal more quickly.
I can’t say I have strong feelings about Renteria one way or another. I kind of like him better as a second baseman because the reports on his defense have been bad.
But you never know. Maybe he really is in the best shape of his life and will give us a season or two out of ATL and STL career.
A two-year contract is certainly reasonable, and it doesn’t sound like he’d be so expense that we can’t shove him aside if something better comes along.
I'm not crazy about this, but...
It means not overpaying for Hudson and not overpaying for Furcal, so that’s a plus.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
I am Meh on this. But a good Meh. We aren’t giving much up, and the guy we are getting has been very good at certain points of his career.
Affeldt- Good signing
Renteria-Decent signing
So far, so good.
Phelps was a decent signing as well.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
meh....
Could have been much worse. ( I’m looking at you Furcal ). 2/9 per is not going to hurt that much. Losing the pick hurts a little more.
My adopted son Matt Downs. Lost in the wilderness of mediocrity.
Wow
Rotoworld calls Rentaria a “decent value.” That must be the highest praise they’ve ever given the Giants!
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
they say that now, the moment he goes 0-5 with 3 K’s they will say what an abysmal signing it was
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
What the hell....
…Rotoworld AND Dave Cameron are okay with this? My knee doesn’t know which way to jerk anymore.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
Still terrified
Of Burriss at 2B. Hope he gets some time at AAA. If he keeps playing well, giving him the job as a 26 y/o after spot starting in 2010 wouldn’t be that bad of a deal. But if we get the Renteria of ’08, bring on the Burriss…
All the projection systems have him bouncing back offensively, hopefully he rebounds somewhat with the defense. And the fangraph link above is very encouraging.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
That's funny
Of all the young’uns I watched play the infield last season, Burriss’ defense at 2b impressed me the most. I know he can’t hit for crap, but do we know Frandsen will be able to be a solid big league hitter after losing a year to injury?
I’m pretty meh on a possible Renteria signing. If the best we can all say about it is that it’s a better option than locking in Furcal for four years, that’s kind of damning with faint praise.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
i’d rather frandsen get all the first half AB’s at 2B. He has the minor league track record, and has about the same OPS in a larger sampler size (about 100 more AB) in the majors. i’d give him 350 in the 1st half to audition for the 2nd.
i admit i haven’t seen much of burriss at 2B, but i dont think he’s a unique enough talent to give him a starting job with less than 1200 combined minors/majors AB’s…
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
*boring*
somebody wake me up when we sign a bat.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:33 PM PST reply actions
Sources: Giants sign bat to six-year deal
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
you're right
the bat will play short
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
fair enough
somebody wake me up when we sign somebody offensive
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
In that case, meet our new starting first baseman!
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
I'll come in again...
wake me up when we sign someone who doesn’t suck, blood or otherwise.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
e.g.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
see?
it’s funny because he doesn’t have a mouth, and therefore, cannot suck.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
I was holding out for Batboy but i think he was type-a
http://lanceballance.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/batboy.jpg
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
image fail
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
Bat Boy!!!
Can he be the unoffical mascot for the ’09 season? OhpleaseOhpleaseOhpleaseOhplease?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
ONLY IF
he can do the dancing air-hump
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Rentaplaya to play 3rd base?
Might be an option. (not that his offense would be good there, but…)
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions
Nickname Evolution
Late-April: someone will call him Edgar Diarrhea
Mid-May: he will be forever known as Butt Pee
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply actions
mine!
Id like to claim adoption rights over renteria and then legally change his name to edgar diarrhea. Thats how this system works, u just take ppl and then do whatever u want with their name right? I love America!
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 24, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
for the record
If the signing turns out to be true, but for 3 instead of 2 years, I will switch from “somehwat supportive” to “hates deal”
hhSSSSSS!!!
Don’t mention such things. Sabean might hear you.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
sfgiants.com confirms...
the radio report about the rumor.
Weird thing for the team site to post.
link.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
Walrus Man:
What are the radio stations in Milwaukee reporting? They seem to have the inside dirt on Giants personnel moves.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
THE GIANTS BASEBALL PLAYER TEAM SIGNED EDGAR RENTERIA. HE IS GOOD SWINGING THE BAT BUT NEEDS TO WORK ON CATCHING THE BALL! /judysteffes
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Judy’s syntax is improving.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
MCC is down to #10 in Judy Steffes Google results
We used to be #1 or #2.
We do have a lot of the Image Search market share, though.
It’s a good thing Judy Steffes probably doesn’t know how to use The Google, or she’d have restraining orders against the lot of us by now (but mainly xanthan).
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
The fact that you replied to me in less than 60 seconds doesn’t tend to dispel the notion that you’re a stalker, young man.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
The reason why Xanthan is no longer Judy's #1 Fan
He married her.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Judy Steffes's next headline
“Dear reader, I married him.”
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Back off
I don’t need a jealous Judy Steffes hunting me down!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
World's Worst Photoshop
You can tell how long I spent working on that one, I’m sure.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
It would make me terribly proud if this became the #1 Google Image Search result for Judy Steffes.
Gotta dream a dream and all.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
This reminds me
The other night, I made a joke to my wife about Judy Steffes sleeping in churches. And then I had to explain the whole Judy Steffes backstory to her. Good thing, ‘cause she didn’t think I was quite weird enough already.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
delorean's wife was a bit wary of the McCoven
But she also does flying trapeze, so you can’t trust her judgement.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
looks 'shopped
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
How did you get Mike Meyers to look so much like xanthan?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
oh man, the google image results for Judy Steffes made me lol and lol and lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
/computer schematic
/pie
/wilford brimley
yup, that’s pretty much all the things I love.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
diabeetus
dia dia dia beetus
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The diabetes people definitely made the right call when they made Wilford Brimley their spokesperson instead of some less appealing famous diabetic – say, icky ol’ Halle Berry.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
oh my lord
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Nov 24, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Add
a beret and some glasses and you have:
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 25, 2008 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure where to go on this comment.
Is he Lincecum to the right? Or Sergio Romo below?
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
wilford brimley is nearly as cool as gene hackman
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
lol
After page 2 or so, it turns into the McCovey Chronicles Image Repository
by rightcenterfielder on Nov 24, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Too far away..
But basically, there’s a Packers game on tonight. What do you think.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Jeezus...
I reply to the first post and my reply skips down half the page. I have a feeling this will be interesting.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
we're not done are we?
we can still sign a first baseman….i bet sabean spit out offers to furcal and rentieria at the same time…soon you’ll be hearing furcal has been signed as well! and then they both get hurt for the entire season…………….so how much do we have left to sign ppl for the bullpen/firstbase/Sabathia?
I was scared shitless of this happening, but if it’s really only for two years, I can deal with him as a stopgap. Let’s hope that he really is a player who hits well in the NL and he can bounce back at least offensively next year (I’m not at all optimistic about him becoming even an average defensive player again.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I am anti-Renteria no matter the contract length.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Renteria at 2B
I’m really not an expert on defense, so please don’t hit me (yet). Wouldn’t second base hide his declining defense some? That way Burriss can develop at his natural position. Second base is more of where our lack of prospects is. Any defensive experts out there on the relative merits of 2B versus SS?
If shifting him I would think it would be to third base. We actually have options to try at second over the next 18-24 months.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
I agree, excpet I’m looking forward more each day to seeing Pablito there.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Well, we’ve wasted 240 comments on less-solid rumors. I have no regrets.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
i think Sabes was getting his office remodeled
and he yelled out of his office
somebody call Carpeteria
amirite?
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
/crickets chirping
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
and they all moved away from me on the group W bench.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
are you trying to say you’ve been rehabilitated?
For WilltheThrill, this is Jon Miller saying goodnight. . . .
by WilltheThrill on Nov 25, 2008 2:24 AM PST up reply actions
While we wait, I’ll do my typical beer post. Just poured myself a Murhphys Stout.
Mmm, stouty.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I have no beer :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Water and electronics generally don’t mix well
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I now do trust the Vitamin Water
Dragonfruit…mmmm..but not city water.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
stout?
is that a new type of hard drive?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
uhh...
i don’t understand computer-speak…. aside from “we got pwned!!!”
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
One in which it’s correct to use an apostrophe in the possessive version of its, hmmmmmm?
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
maybe we need
some more outside jokes? get it… not like “inside” jokes, but outside… right? uhh…. what a bad audience. sheesh
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
well..
Penii are universally funny I’d say. Once Bocock comes up again we’ll be good.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
haha
you said “once Bocock comes up again”
haha
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
God dammit! There’s actually a comment thread in the history of this site where some guy was adamant about the “fact” that “it’s” was a possessive and “its” was how you spelled “it is.” But I can’t find it for the life of me. He was all like “NO GUYS I KNOA WUT IM TOKKING ABOUT!” and then groug was like “WTF you talking about. You’re wrong. It couldn’t be more clear!”
But it’s lost. So anyway, it could be defended as an inside joke.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
FOUND IT!
ITS A MOTHA-FUCKIN INSIDE JOKE!
Stupid groug not using contractions making it hard for me to do a search.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
5:02pm: Via an email from ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, Renteria’s agent Barry Meister says the report of Renteria signing is not true. Renteria is at home in Colombia; nothing is close.
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
let us dance in the streets!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
You’ll regret posting that when Sabean ups the offer to 5 years, $75 million and Renteria reluctantly accepts.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
uhh
/slams head into the table just thinking about it
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
my browser showed you commented twice simultaneously
therefore, thou art a computer. there’s the smoking gun!!
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
Computer or animatronic figure from the Hall of Presidents?
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
So we could still trade Winn for Cedeno?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Renteria is at home in Colombia; nothing is close.
That must be very inconvenient for him.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sure he has plenty cocaine handy.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 24, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
i've actually been to his hometown in cartagena..
it’s a beautiful resort town, tons of european tourists and normal hawaii-esque things to do. i was there during the 2004 world series and the fact that the series shortstops were both from the cartagena area was all anyone talked about.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
I've never been to Catagena
but I have seen Romancing the Stone a few times
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
When I was an undergrad, I had a writing prof from Colombia. He said there’s an old joke in Colombia that, when God created the world, he made Colombia the most beautiful land on Earth – and then, to make up for it, he made the Colombians.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
well, i’d kind of come around on it, but it’s nice to have the second round draft pick back!
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 24, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
OK?
So … what’s this mean for Omar? In general?
So confused.
Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.
but would you let this guy play short?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
Sabean said pretty clearly that Omar’s not coming back.
Of course, he also said pretty clearly than Sandoval would play first, and then just as clearly that Sandoval would play third….and he’s clearly said Burriss would start at short. So, yeah, good luck figuring out when he’s not talking out his ass.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
OT: Any 360 players in here? I’m always looking for people to game with online and I’ve been thinking of picking up Left 4 Dead soon-ish!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
not fair
who wants to play a computer?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
btw
Fallout 3 is pretty awesome for single player. my roommate got it and. well, think of the Giants’ farm system three years ago. it’s that kind of destructive madness. yes
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
Booooooooooo!
I’ve had the same card for, like, 5 years. It runs great. Can’t play Fallout or Bioshock though.
Bioshock killed my graphics card, but if L4D is less demanding, I might be able to swing it.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
If you can play Half Life 2 or any other Source game, you’re golden. There is a demo you can download just to make sure, that’s what I did.
haha
you said “swing it”
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
it's difficult to do that
i don’t have speakers like somebody….
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
I bet
that sometime within the next week or so the Giants do end up signing him for terms very similar to this rumor.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 3:41 PM PST reply actions
let's hope
it’s not until next tuesday. just to be safe
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
after what Sabes was saying, I wouldn’t be surprised if they did, in fact, sign him to a similar deal, but I would be surprised if they did so before the arb deadline.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
but after all of this
don’t you think the Tigers are going to feel pretty safe offering him arbitration?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Remember that Tucker guy?
i hope Sabes doesn’t pull one of those again.
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
Sabean signed Tucker Carlson!?
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Fox News Network offered his bowtie arbitration.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 24, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Rentaria (Ugh!)
I’ve never posted here (or anywhere) before but my frustration with the Giants just needs somewhere to vent, so I hope you’ll indulge me. First, as an oldtimer, I know very little about the numbers you guys use to value players but I am frequently amazed at all your analysis’. (You also frequently give me some laughs, so thanks for that). I do, however, have the battle scars of waaaaay to many years of never getting “there”. Every rumour I hear this offseason makes me want to grab my rolaids and wellbutrin! Take them one by one:
Sabathia – do any of you feel he’ll be the same pitcher in another 4 years? The mileage he already has on that arm says probably not. Six years is ridiculous. Three, four maybe, but we know that won’t get it done.
Hudson – clearly he hits better at home (which won’t be the case in SF), is breaking down, and will need at least a four year contract.
Furcal – Wants five years at 31 years old and is coming off back surgery. Why???
Rentaria – just what we need, a 34 year old who is poor fielder and had his weakest year offensively.
Just cause we might have money to spend, doesn’t mean we should. The one thing we need more than anything is a corner infielder capable of hitting third, fourth, or fifth. Gee, wonder if there’s anybody like that out there on the FA market? If we can’t have him, damn it, stop signing mediocrity (or worse) and let the kids play. At least we can learn who should be on our roster. Nah, never mind, makes too much sense
by Cassie'sGrandpa on Nov 24, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply actions
GET OFF MY LAWN!
Just cause we might have money to spend, doesn’t mean we should. The one thing we need more than anything is a corner infielder capable of hitting third, fourth, or fifth. Gee, wonder if there’s anybody like that out there on the FA market? If we can’t have him, damn it, stop signing mediocrity (or worse) and let the kids play. At least we can learn who should be on our roster. Nah, never mind, makes too much sense
What ees thees not signeeng ageeng players? You kids and your newfangled idealism.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Papa?
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
welcome
I feel ya, but also think that a 2-year deal is a pretty reasonable stopgap at a position where we really don’t have anybody ready to go. This might be a good opportunity to “buy low” since he’s coming off a poor season.
I like Manny, but as others have suggested another year in the minors and another year as a backup is probably best for him and the team.
Also, Edgar was 32 last season. We need more offense and Renteria could provide an upgrade there, whether or not we sign Tex.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
From ESPN Deportes
The torpedo Dominican Rafael Furcal on Monday traveled to the West Coast of the United States, where he could complete an agreement with one of the two clubs in the bay of San Francisco Giants and Oakland Athletics. The pact would be for about $ 50 million.
That was a google translation btw.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/furcal-close-to.html
...the torpedo that sank the Giants' chances and might force me to change my tagline...?
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Nov 24, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
in fact, don't even know where I'd go if we lock raffi up for 4-5 years...
maybe AFTER both he & Zito are off the books, by which time we will no longer be able to afford Timmy and things will be right back where they were in 2005ish when I had no reason to be optimistic. meh…no, worse than meh…I really really really hope raffi is on the right side of the bay next season, if he’s in the Area at all…
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Nov 24, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
GOES THE DYNAMITE
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 24, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Is it too early to mark this thread as legendary? I am loving this thread as much as the gameday thread from this season when the marlins v Giants game was rained out in florida (The birth of 109).
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
an early contender for 2009 Non-Gameday Thread of the Year?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
If so...
diabeetus cat gets my vote for best vote for best post in non-gameday thread of the year.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Nov 24, 2008 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
We've had that before..
Many times before.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Renteria is a Type A, right? If the Giants signed him before the arbitration deadline, we would lose a sandwich pick and 2nd rounder, correct?
Someone correct me if I’m wrong. For some reason I had Renteria’s FA-type confused.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I believe, because we are protected with our first round pick, they could get a sanwick pick then our 2nd rounder. But the Giants only lose their second round pick.
In essence the league creates another pick just for them so as to protect us (the scummy 90 losses in a season team) and encourage us to stop being as sucky.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Yeah, I meant to say that we wouldn’t actually “lose” the supplemental since we never really had that pick to begin with. But the 2nd rounder would be lost.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
In essence the league creates another pick just for them so as to protect us (the scummy 90 losses in a season team) and encourage us to stop being as sucky.
Well I wouldn’t say that’s accurate, since the Tigers would get a supplemental round pick regardless of how many games we one. The way it works:
Type B free agent: Supplemental round pick.
Type A free agent, signing team was in the bottom ten: Supplemental round pick + 2nd round pick.
Type A free agent, signing team wasn’t in the bottom ten: Supplemental round pick + 1st round pick.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
I sit corrected.
thank you much.
/ tips cap.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 25, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Ten or Fifteen?
I thought it was half and half but might be wrong.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Edgar Renteria
It would be a good move because it increases the productivity of shortstop from practically no run production and power to average or a little above average. Going from like zero homeruns at that position to 10 is actually a lot better than it might seem if you just think that you are going to add a guy that hits ten homeruns a year. Renteria might hit more than that too. Or he might just hit triples which is almost as good. He also is solid as a two hitter which is something the Giants lack. The second position in the batting order is pretty important. It gets a lot of at bats and needs to be able to move the lead off guy over and have enough plate discipline to hit well, but still give the leadoff player chances to steal second.
I’d imagine that a line up with Renteria would be:
Winn
Renteria
Lewis
Molina
Sandoval
Rowand
Burris
Frandsen
Pitcher’s Spot
It sucks that we only have one guy that can hit between first and third base: Sandoval.
That lineup almost insures another sub-.500 season.
/sigh
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
Excuse me Lars, I have a Ms. Erin eSurance on line two.
She says she wants to kick your ass for ignoring all those
adds of hers…
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
What was she adding?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Pink hair dye
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 25, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I’d totally ravage Erin eSurance.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 25, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a Jessica Rabbit problem you have right there.
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 25, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
That’s correct. Don’t tempt yourselves.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 25, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
The problem the Giants have is that Winn had a good to great season: nearly led the league in hits. And it makes him nearly or more valuable than Rowand. So you end up with all three outfield spots taken and you then can’t sign Burrell or Dunn. Signing Dunn and putting him at first might be good, but I don’t know if I’d want Adam Dunn for like seven years with a Zito like contract. And if you traded Winn from prospect and signed Burrell, you’d probably get less than Randy Winn is worth. You’d get more for him if you waited until like the All Star Break when a team is in a pennant race.
It would help a lot if Burrell could play first base.
I wouldn’t make a drastic move to add power. I think you wait for Bumgarner and Alderson and see if someone will eventually trade a power hitting first basemen for Jonathan Sanchez.
It’s too bad we didn’t get that Mike Jacobs guy that went from the Marlins to the Royals.
I think Lewis and Sandoval will have good years and it will help.
You could sign Dunn at 1B
Although the combination of Dunn and Pablo could make for an epic fail at corner fielding
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 25, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
That would be no more of an epic fail of corner fielding than a Bowker/Joe Castle combo from last year
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 25, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
We should be allowed to flag comments as “wants us to get Mike Jacobs”
by oldjacket on Nov 25, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Note: i would much rather free up an OF spot (see: Trade Rowand) to play Nate Schierholtz than to free up space to pay money to a big FA OF. The team has much more pressing needs than another high priced OF. I’m fine with having Winn in CF and the corner OFs making the league minimum in Lewis and Schierholtz. I would go so far as to say i would rather go 4/50M on Furcal than sign either Burrell or Dunn for the OF
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 25, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Jacobs had 32 homeruns in 447 at bats last season. If we had traded for him, I don’t think we’d be stuck with a big contract. It’s hardly a ridiculous idea.
It isn’t ridiculous, not on the level of Randy Winn for 3B!, but it has made an appearance on this website a number of times.
Jacobs is one of the worst defensive 1B in the game. He also doesn’t get on base. The HRs are really the only part of his game, and you can hit a lot of HRs without really being good. Jacobs manages that.
I think no one signing free agents is a sign that free agents are going to wait a long time to sign. Baseball teams don’t want to spend the money because of the recession, but baseball players aren’t going to start signing for 20 percent less.
I wonder if Sabathia took the Yankees offer if other teams would start signing players.
I wonder if the Yanks took the offer off the table like they said they would.
Not likely.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
