Giants sign Renteria?
I don't practice Renteria, I ain't got no crystal ball...
According to MLB Trade Rumors, the Giants have signed Edgar Renteria to a two-year, $18M contract. When I wrote my original post about Renteria, I assumed he would get a four-year deal, even though he was coming off a down year. If it's true the Giants only gave him two years, I'm on board, especially as the 2010 FA market is completely devoid of shortstops. And if this deal prevented a 4/$50M deal to Rafael Furcal, then I'll take it as the lesser of two evils.
I'll miss the second-round pick, so I'll just assume the Giants were going to pick another Jackson Williams.
UPDATE: THIS WAS A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY RUMOR NETWORK. THIS WAS ONLY A TEST. IN THE EVENT OF AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY RUMOR, THIS FANSHOT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY A LONGER FRONT-PAGE POST.
Or, to put it another way, according to Henry Schulman, rumors of Renteria's signing have been greatly exaggerated.
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Ah... Positivity!
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
by NuschlerFace on Nov 24, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Carrying this over from the side thread, but Rentria’s projections are pretty optimistic for a player who had his worst offensive season last year.
Bill James – wOBA .334
Marcel – wOBA .336
Oliver – .331
Renteria had a .308 wOBA this past season.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think league average wOBA is projected to be .332 next year. The average NL SS had an wOBA of .323 in 2008.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m happy with the signing, if it is the 2/18 deal. With some bounce back offensively, and hopefully defensively, this could turn out well.
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if he continues to slip defensively he’ll be pretty bad. But, if he can defend around average, the deal isn’t bad.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, and worst case scenario is it’s two years.
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m hoping the deal length is right. If it is, 2-years is nothing.
How do you guys feel about Burriss at 2B? I keep going back and forth. He’s going to need to defend like Mark Ellis to have any net positive at 2B. And defending like Mark Ellis is probably pretty hard to do.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’ll be very good, though probably not Mark Ellis caliber.
I’m fine with letting Burriss and Frandsen fight it out for second, or platoon or something. One of them might work out.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in the same boat, but put me down for more time for Burriss in the minors. I’ve been wish casting this offseason about what Burriss could contribute at the MLB level, but the more I think about it the more skeptical I become.
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabes won’t put him in the minors though, he loves to let prospects rot on the bench as backups.
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by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but this has been a pretty intelligent offseason (one transgression aside) so maybe that won’t happen.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m curious, is that one transgression letting Denker go, or are you referring to something else?
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Denker.
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, good. Even though i’m still not pleased he’s gone, I don’t hurt as much knowing burriss could be groomed either way if this signing is true.
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus I think Burriss/Frandsen/Velez could hold down the fort for two years until noonan is (hopefully) ready
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by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hurt as much knowing burriss could be groomed either way
A brush or a comb!
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if Frandsen is seeing a lot of play time at third base. Otherwise I would rather install as starting SS In Fresno so he can keep getting better and close to MLB ready for whenone of the other middle infielders fall down and go boom.
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by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, do yourself a favor and not read the comments section of the MLBTR page.
OMG GIANTS R DUMZ!
/deer head
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by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reading the comments section on any site is always a bad idea.
by Natto on Nov 24, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially here! You people are all morans.
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glacial Morans!
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by WalrusMan on Nov 24, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sfgiants.com
hasn’t announced it yet but says they’re negotiating
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Negotiating with someone who can code a page in HTML?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 24, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Haft is furiously chasing the guy that setup the BBWAA page.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like for the mlb sites to look like that more than what they look like now.
Horrible stuff there, takes forever to load, not many news stories can be shown.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 24, 2008 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t practice Renteria, I ain’t got no crystal ball…
If Sabes had 90 million he’d spend it all!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But I ain’t seen nothin’ like him in no amusement hall….
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on Nov 24, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adroit song lyric hijack, grasshopper
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by leftymalo on Nov 24, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Lefty. I am a product of my sonic youth.
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by Lyle on Dec 1, 2008 7:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From another Sublime song
Rumors is what I got
Don’t start a riot
You’ll feel it when the stove gets hot
…
I don’t cry when my pitchers are traded away
I don’t get angry at the contracts we have to pay
I don’t get angry when my GM signs rot
Hits the market and abuses the trading block
Blogging and yelling it’s all the same
Livin’ with the McCoven’s the only way to stay sane
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 24, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OK that is awesome.
Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.
by tk on Nov 24, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
[standing ovation]
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by Kitspool on Nov 24, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine with everything except the draft pick.
by fwoty oz on Nov 24, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If you want to be positive . . .
You could point out he’s only 1 season removed from a .332 BA and a 125 OPS+
by fwoty oz on Nov 24, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
also, you could point out that has been a lot better playing in the NL
2002 StL .305 .364 .439 .803
2003 StL .330 .394 .480 .874
2004 StL .287 .327 .401 .728
2005 Bos .276 .335 .385 .720
2006 Atl .293 .361 .436 .797
2007 Atl .332 .390 .470 .860
2008 Det .270 .317 .382 .699
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just thinking this. moving back to the nl could really help him offensively. defensively, eh, let’s hope for the best. is there any way if he sucks at ss he could be moved to 2b, with burriss moving back to ss?
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so, he’s really going to be a liability in the WS for the Giants next year, then.
by tyrannoman on Nov 24, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel pretty, oh so pretty!
No Furcal! Yippee!
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
BABIP
his was very low compared to his LD%
He’s likely to bounce back, albeit probably not to his 07 levels, but 06 levels could be possible. Or a hybrid of 05 and 06
by NeifiChicken on Nov 24, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like it
The better team we have before CC is signed, helps us. It’s only 2 years. In time for Burriss to develop and take over.
by S49erfan on Nov 24, 2008 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the rush to get him
makes me inclined to think they’re trying to impress CC
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you say...
Rush?
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by WalrusMan on Nov 24, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So
I suppose this means Burriss rides the pine or shares time at 2nd, rather than developing in Fresno?
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
Honestly, it’s wouldn’t be too bad to have a full season in Fresno for both Burriss and Sandoval.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval in Fresno? In our moment of triumph?
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know, it’s just that he’s only got ~300 ABs at AA or above. While they were fantastic, it would probably be in his best interest to get a little more seasoning.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw his best interest, we need a 3B
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know…
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
frandsen?
Seriously though is Pablo’s bat stays remotely alive his ability to man 3 spots including back up C makes him too useful to leave in the minors at this point.
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by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Frandsen, but not sa much as Pablo. Plus I like a lineup with Pablo + Frandsen much more than Frandsen + Burriss/Velez.
Franny can slide from 2B to 3B when Pablo needs a day off or to spell Benjie.
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am fine with that pattern of use for Frandsen. However then I really think Burriss has to be installed at SS in Fresno. Possible Russell Branyan or Aurilia for cheep 1-2 year contract as well.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
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by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if?
They signed Renteria as a 3B… a la Nomar?
by lincysgiants on Nov 24, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that's true.
Pablo hit all season long. He hit in A+, so he got moved to Conn, with the pitcher friendly parks. He hit anyway, earning a ‘lil Papi’ nickname, and a callup. He continued to hit in the majors, though for a little less power. I really don’t think there’s any reason to send him down. Sometimes, good players don’t need much time in the minors. This season may have just been the magical combination of a player maturing and hitting his stride, and just getting it together.
Call me crazy, but I just don’t think you send a player down when he hits .345 in his callup.
by Gregjitsu on Nov 24, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Hope
Velez and Frandsen up with the big club, splitting time at 2B. Burriss starts at SS at Fresno, which allows Bocock to go to AA, more akin the where he belongs
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Edgar Renteria
Nice addition. Gives SF to sort out the Burriss, Frandsen, Noonan, Schoop, Culberson, Crawford, Adrianza mix the next few season. Gives SF another experienced bat in the line-up and some vet savvy in a few young infield.
- Where will he bat in batting order?
by wilriv21 on Nov 24, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No doubt!
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
by NuschlerFace on Nov 24, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he certainly deserves to
against LHPs: .443, .561
by BigO on Nov 24, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming they keep Wiin and don’t sign anyone else, I agree:
Lewis
Winn
Renteria
Molina
Pablo
Rowand
Frandsen
Ishi
P
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is it just me or does that lineup not look terrible?
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what you're talking about
You look pretty terrible to me.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 24, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*sniff*
I know
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still can’t believe Molina was our cleanup hitter last season.
by Natto on Nov 24, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as of right now
he probably still should be against rhps
by BigO on Nov 24, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely you…
maybe not terrible if you added 2004 Barry Bonds in there
by kingofthacove on Nov 24, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean
other than the lack of anyone actually good
and suspects Frandsen and Ishikawa… yeah, it might not be the bottom 3rd instead of bottom 6th of the NL.
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by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confident on the following things:
that Lewis and Winn will be about as good as last year.
Pablo will be much better than Castle
Molina will probably get a little worse
Rowand will be better
Frandsen/Burriss will be better than Bocock/Velez/Vizquel
Ishikawa will be comprable or better than Bowker
It’s definitely not a knockout offense, but methinks it will be better than Your 2008 SF Giants.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget about Durham, though. He put up some good numbers with us while he was here, and that has to be replaced.
by rotorueter on Nov 24, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true
but I think Renteria will be pretty comprable to what Durham did. Pure speculation, though, of course.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well take the last 2 years of Durham and the last 2 years of Renteria. Tell me how had the worst single year? Q.E.D. in my opinion.
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by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m confident on the following things:
that Lewis and Winn will be about as good as last year.
May I ask why? Lewis had what looks like flooky BABIP issues this year, and Winn is coming off one of the best years of his career and will be 35 next year. I’m fairly certain that both will decline.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 25, 2008 7:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Winn is coming off a pretty normal Randy Winn year. He’s a career .288/.347/.425 hitter.
by oldjacket on Nov 25, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And
Winn’s career stats are remarkably steady and consistent, year over year, with the exception of a) his stellar numbers after joining the Giants in 2005 and b) his relatively sub-par 2006.
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by Kitspool on Nov 25, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And wasn’t 2006 the year he was having the problem with his knee?
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His line this year was .306/.363/.426. Not crazy, but definitely above his career averages, and he’s going to be 35 next year. FWIW, Oliver, ZiPS, and Bill James all project Winn to lose 27-33 points of OPS.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 25, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a typical Randy Winn season plus 8 singles. The probability of regression for something that’s so close to the mean is not really worth talking about.
Age-related decline is, of course, always a possibility in the mid-thirties.
by oldjacket on Nov 25, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish Molina wasn’t the cleanup hitter.
And the fact that Renteria is the #3 hitter isn’t very pleasing either.
I almost want them to throw absurd amounts of money at a Pat Burrell.
by DesertFox on Nov 24, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine with the 4-8, but i think the top 3 would be Winn, Renteria, Lewis. This Giants said they wanted lewis in a run producing role. Winn is a serviceable leadoff man, and renteria is best suited to hit 2nd
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by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
winn seems to hit well at leadoff and i’ve always thought second was a good place for renteria in the lineup (back in the days when he was with st. louis, I always used to wonder why larussa kept batting him sixth… put him in front of pujols and he would’ve been really dangerous).
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 24, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d flip Edgar and Pablo, and pray for a clean up hitter.
by tyrannoman on Nov 24, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you can flip Pablo, he’s pretty heavy.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Note to self: work gratuitous bullet points into repertoire.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It goes well with the “I’m poopin” avatar too.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lauging so loud got tears in my eyes
Happy Thanksgiving
by wilriv21 on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
- Not a bad idea
- I think I’ll do the same
- And say it was my idea
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
- crap
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
List of posters who are lame:
- Goofus
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
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List of posters who are glad to not be named lame:
- WalrusMan
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List of posters banned by Goofus
- EliminateMe
- WalrusMan
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really like Edgar Renteria – he’s an erratic player on both sides of the ball coming off a bad year on the wrong side of 30. I’d rather have played Manny Burris. At least it’s just two years
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by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Riiight
Because Manny Burriss is really going to be more productive at the plate and better defensively at SS than Edgar Renteria for the next 2 years.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 24, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First part? No.
Second part? Almost certainly.
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In retrospect, it needed bullet points.
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no question Burris is the superior defender. And he doesn’t cost us any money OR a draft pick.
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by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Taken in a vacuum, I understand your point
In the context of an infield consisting almost entirely of guys with little major league experience and questionable minor league track records… the Giants had to do something. You can’t go into the season with an essentially (if not officially) rookie infield.
AS for the contract, I don’t see how they could have done much better with the available options. Without looking it up, 2nd round picks aren’t all that valuable. The bonus money would be just as well spent on the amateur FA market.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
The infield needs a veteran with all the young infielders.
by wilriv21 on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Least favorite baseball myth. How many years you have played baseball does not matter. “Intangibles” do not matter. Putting runs on the board or keeping runs off the board matters.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong, I don't care about about intangibles
I’m saying that the Giants “prospects” suck. Alot. Both now, and probably going forward.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, we’ve got a good farm system it’s just the players we trot out at the major league level and pretend are prospects aren’t very good. Bowker, Ishikawa, Velez, Ortmeier, even Frandsen (never a huge Frandsen believer) are C- guys but Sandoval, Bumgarner, Alderson, Villalona, those guys are a better bet to break that cycle going forward.
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by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of the guys you listed
Only two are hitters, only one is in/near the majors, and none are shortstops.
I’ll be surprised if Noonan or Villalona, or any of their other low-minors hitting prospects are really MLB ready before Renteria’s contract is up (notice I didn’t say “make their MLB debut,” an important distinctions given the Giants’ recent behavior).
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
none of those guys are SSs
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by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
our infield
needs some guys who don’t look a googly-eyed at MLB pitching
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the worst case scenario, that they suck? They already suck! They suck with Edgar Renteria. If his hitting doesn’t bounce back they might even suck more with Edgar Renteria, it’s plausible that Manny Burriss is capable of hitting .270/.317/.382 or close enough that the difference in his defense would make him more valuable.
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by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The worst case scenario
Is that none of the infielders have a future in the majors, and the Giants just wasted another season of Lincecum. Entirely plausible, IMO. I’m certainly not sold on Sandoval’s bat at 1B or glove at 3B, and he’s probably the best prospect of the bunch.
Furthermore, the risk is that they might get all desperate again and start promoting guys who aren’t even close to MLB ready, but might be at some point in the future. I’m a believer in agressive promotion, but there’s a limit. No one would get anything out Noonan or Villalona embarrass themselves in the majors, least of all Noonan and Villalona.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if we’re saying that a stupid signing precludes other stupid moves by Sabean then I’m with you I just don’t think that makes it any better of a signing, it just means we have a stupid GM.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore, the risk is that they might get all desperate again and start promoting guys who aren’t even close to MLB ready
That sounds like a Bocockamamie idea to me.
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the wrong side of 30.
He’ll be 33 and 34 the next two season. I can deal with that. Omar was 38 his first season with the Giants. Using that benchmark, this is a friggin’ youth movement!
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh…the theory of relativity.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 24, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nicely said.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like this much better than Furcal or Hudson for 4 years that was rumored. Also at 2 years, along with the Affeldt signing, it means we’ll also have cap space for the LeBron sweepstakes.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 24, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But Villanolla will be coming up soon
LeBron will be blocking him by then!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All well and good...
But we’re not going anywhere until we get a left tackle to protect Timmy’s blind side.
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
was renteria so hotly pursued the giants had to get him now and give up a pick? i think they should have waited until he was truly a free agent.
by tenjay on Nov 24, 2008 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He might have accepted.
He’d have guaranteed at least 8M in arbitration.
Also, I doubt Renteria and his agent would have just sat on a two year contract w/ all the crazy numbers for Furcal flying around.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Tigers weren't going to offer arbitration
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 24, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they would have if they knew about the Giants offer
and I don’t trust Renteria and his agent to keep it quite.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They will now, sure
But tenjay’s pont was that if the Giants had waited, then they wouldn’t have had to give up the pick.
Guess it’s a mute point for all intensive purposes.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 24, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*moot
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
eggcorns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn
I just saw a new one there: “Spurt of the moment” LOL!
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s one of the McC memes I’m always a little hesitant to use.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 24, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing is if Furcal had signed by the 1st Renterria become the best SS on the free agent market. It’s possible they heard the Furcall deal was imitated and decided to jump the gun. Just one more thing to consider.
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by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I’m thinking the Giants didn’t just forget about the draft pick implications. There must be some negotiation related reason why this had to get done before the arbitration deadline.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think
this is part of the wooing of CC
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be. Could not be. the Giants defiantly need some one to be counted on to absorb middle infield innings CC or no CC.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Arbitration contracts are NOT GUARANTEED
You take arbitration, you’re guaranteed 30 days’ termination pay. That’s all.
Also, he wasn’t guaranteed $8 million at all; the 80% rule is inapplicable for free agents.
There’s virtually no way that Renteria would have accepted arbitration.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 24, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whether or not he would have accepted arbitration is a totally mute point (to quote somebody below), very few people actually accept arbitration. The question is whether or not the Tigers would have offered it.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just mentioned it to the wife and she said: “He used to be good, right?”
I guess I dont like the loss of the pick and the seeming inability to stick to a rebuilding plan…though it is only two seasons. In truth, I realize I just had Hardy lust.
Welcome Edgar—you’re one of the 25 best players in baseball now—you’re a Gigante!
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 24, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So is this the end of the speed ‘n’ defense era in Giants history? I can’t remember the last time Sabean went for an offense-first player.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to say no. Felt like Sabean spent that whole off-season trying to find another left fielder so he could shove Bonds out the door.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Durham, Molina ,Rowand, Aurilia, and Klesko all drew most if not all of their value from their bat. In fact, the only defense-first players we’ve signed in the past two years are Vizquel and (arguably) Roberts.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 25, 2008 7:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll grant you Durham, and Klesko I guess, though really he was just a cheap flyer rather than a coherent choice. But as for the others — huh??? Rowand and Molina have long had stellar defensive reputations and spotty offensive ones. The fact that they turned out not to be very good in the field doesn’t change that. Aurilia would be offense-first at shortstop, but he has been almost entirely a first and third baseman with the Giants.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you’re right, but still… Rowand had good defensive reputation, but he was also a top 5 offensive CF the year that we signed him. Molina had also had two good offensive seasons before we signed him. I partially take back what I said, but really I just don’t think that we ever had a “speed ‘n’ defense” era. It was more of a “we have no offense but we need something to sell tickets with, so let’s side that with a stupid slogan” era. Or at least that’s how I see it.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 25, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always figured Sabean really meant it. The pathological pursuit of center fielders (whom he then shuffled off to various corners) suggested he was drinking the s&d kool-aid.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This!!
It was more of a "we have no offense but we need something to sell tickets with, so let’s side that with a stupid slogan" era.
Dead on, Straight up, Righteous truth.
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by daveinexile on Nov 25, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matheny seemed to be a defense-first signing.
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and the last 5 seasons of JT Snow.
by tyrannoman on Nov 25, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely, but I was only talking about the last two years. If you include Matheny, then you also have to include Alou, who was all bat.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 25, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good signing
I like the money, only 2 years, but I have doubts about his hitting. His fielding is still above average
by Lo on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much opposite of what you just said
Playoffs!!??
by PAWarrior on Nov 24, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
draft picks
so what happens if the giants sign cc too…what draft pick is lost if you sign two type A free agents?
by travis j bagdad on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think our 3rd rounder…would go to the Tigers
by NeifiChicken on Nov 24, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was under the impression that it was in the order of signing. So, if (this is all hypothetical now) Renteria signed before CC, the Tigers would get our 2nd rounder and the Brews would get our 3rd. Someone please correct me.
by cornball on Nov 24, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m kinda relieved that we aren’t committed to a 4 year contract and that Billy Beane gets to find out if Furcal’s back still works.
Still, I’m not exactly excited. I have visions of Renteria turning into a pile of poo.
Sabeany. This is a very Sabeany move.
by oldjacket on Nov 24, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
also
I’m glad we don’t have a very groundbally pitching staff
by oldjacket on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder whether Sabes was thinking about that. With our rotation, defense at short just isn’t as important as it would be on most teams.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the signing could have happened a week later, but I don’t mind the money or the years.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 24, 2008 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait for the fluff pieces….
Over the offseason, Edgar [noticed a mechanical flaw in his swing/added 10lbs of muscle/partook in rigorous defensive drills] and is [in the best shape of his life/ready to play 162 games/feeling like he was 27-years-old again]!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wash, rinse, and repeat:
Still better than 4 years of Furcal
Still better than 4 years of Furcal
Still better than 4 years of Furcal
Still better than 4 years of Furcal
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There already was one...
Like last week that Renteria was working out rigorously to improve his defense and conditioning.
What was Burriss’ +/- at SS last year? I believe you posted it awhile back….can’t seem to find it.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 24, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Burriss was a couple of plays below average, but the sample is really too small to draw any conclusions from.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Shakira will come to Giants games
have started already. Read he is back home in Columbia working with a personal trainer trying to regain the lost step scouts have been talking about.
by wilriv21 on Nov 24, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to read more about his feud with Orlando Cabrerra
that was a pretty interesting story I thought
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He should do all those things
Edgar, do those things.
Edgar, do.
Edgar do.
Edgardo.
OH GOD NO
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 24, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And just like that, all my optimism has been sucked out. THANKS A LOT
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just keep reminding yourself, it’s 2 yrs, $18M, not 4 yrs, $26 M. And Steve Finley will not be walking through that door again.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
by Kitspool on Nov 24, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, it must have been fun when a 4 yrs, $26M contract was the worst contract on the team.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 25, 2008 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those were the days!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 25, 2008 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR is the YouTube (userbase wise) of the baseball world
their comments are idiotic on everything
by kingofthacove on Nov 24, 2008 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Every popular blog is a mix of blatant homerism, obnoxious people and people who know what they are talking about. The ratio is here is better than there (and most places) but not so much that I’d want to cast stones.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That should say sports blog, although “obnoxious people” pretty much works anywhere on the Internet.
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by JakeS on Nov 24, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey this is the best consolation prize available.
My first preference would have been a Big O advocated type of trade like swap for Cedeno for Winn. Failing that Lillibridge for Winn.
But if we have to go with someone from the Illudium Q-36 Savvy Gamer Veteran Team Obliterator Talent Evaluator 2 years under 10M per for Renterria is fair enough. Only way that move gets better is its done next week ( keep the pick) or its slightly less. A hearty not bad Sabean
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by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But really, who doesn’t prefer a “Big O”?
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
golf clap
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sweet!
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess when I think of a “Big O”, I think of something different than Transformers.
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
important question...
so if his range @ SS is gone, CAN HE PLAY 3B???
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Nov 24, 2008 1:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's what i was wondering
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Nov 24, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my guess to how the signing goes
Renteria has two quality years (.340/.440 or something), and then gets an extension and sucks
by kingofthacove on Nov 24, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Argh.
My first reaction is that I would’ve preferred the defense of Burriss, but if this is the least bad free agent signing Sabean could make for shortstop, I will issue the least forceful complaints I can think of.
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by Skaldheim on Nov 24, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The pick situation
We only would have kept the pick if the Tigers had not offered arbitration. If they had and he declined, we still give the pick. Is this correct? Just want to make sure I understand this right.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 24, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Then I like it even more
I don’t think keeping the draft pick was an option. There is very little out there in the SS market, no way Renteria takes a one year deal. It’s also possible a mini-biding war could break out after Furcal does sign.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the reaction
me: “mom, the giants just signed one of those two baseball players from cartagena”
colombian mom, in her thick accent: “oh good, now they’ll be good”
me: “um, not really…”
Dodgers fans eat their young.
by redhornet78 on Nov 24, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Guys The Source IS WFAN!
Not saying it ain’t true but I at least indend to wait for confirmation before I react.
by giantsrainman on Nov 24, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
only 105 comments so far, I’d call that downright restraint for us.
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do we need to send out the Baggs signal?? Nothing from him yet.
by BigO on Nov 24, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did it take so long for someone to post this
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Nov 24, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: has anyone here had an appendectimy (sp)? If so, how long does it take to get over?
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Nov 24, 2008 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, but I know a woman who became a man and had an addadicktome.
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, excellent.
jbowl, get over it how, specifically? Like, able to function without pain? Or able to play sports?
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It always cracks me up when somebody refers to “an emergency appendectomy.” Is there really any other kid on appendectomy? Like a routinely scheduled appendectomy or something like that?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about an emergency Zito-ectomy?
by rotorueter on Nov 24, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing like that that drives me batty is “buttless chaps.” Al chaps are buttless, dammit. Otherwise they’d be pants, not chaps.
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by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that may be the strangest change of subject in MCC history. Even stranger than all the deliberate hijacks.
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by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya sorry, I just had one early sunday morning and its still killing me so I was wondering if anyone had any experiance with it.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Nov 24, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my sister had one last year. She was off of work for about a week, no lifting or physical stuff for 2 weeks. I was just reading today [Newsweek I think it was] about some dude who got his appendix taken out through his mouth! For women they can go in though the uh… ahem… reproductive area…
Apparently those tummy muscles don’t like to be messed with, and the alternate routes heal more quickly.
by Merope on Nov 24, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it’s not THE article, but it is AN article on natural orifice surgery [eek]
by Merope on Nov 24, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like how Egyptians sucked the brains out the nose when making a mummy.
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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t get too excited until we have a better source on this.
by Dan from NM on Nov 24, 2008 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can’t say I have strong feelings about Renteria one way or another. I kind of like him better as a second baseman because the reports on his defense have been bad.
But you never know. Maybe he really is in the best shape of his life and will give us a season or two out of ATL and STL career.
A two-year contract is certainly reasonable, and it doesn’t sound like he’d be so expense that we can’t shove him aside if something better comes along.
by Dan from NM on Nov 24, 2008 2:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not crazy about this, but...
It means not overpaying for Hudson and not overpaying for Furcal, so that’s a plus.
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by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever!
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Nov 24, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am Meh on this. But a good Meh. We aren’t giving much up, and the guy we are getting has been very good at certain points of his career.
Affeldt- Good signing
Renteria-Decent signing
So far, so good.
by rotorueter on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Phelps was a decent signing as well.
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by marcello on Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So was Buddy Jesus
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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Raptor?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Nov 24, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
meh....
Could have been much worse. ( I’m looking at you Furcal ). 2/9 per is not going to hurt that much. Losing the pick hurts a little more.
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by nvsfg on Nov 24, 2008 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Rotoworld calls Rentaria a “decent value.” That must be the highest praise they’ve ever given the Giants!
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by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
don’t worry they will edit that soon enough.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they say that now, the moment he goes 0-5 with 3 K’s they will say what an abysmal signing it was
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on Nov 24, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s hitting around .250 or worse at the end of April:
“We don’t know why Brian Sabean thought Edgar Renteria was the answer that the Giants were looking for. He’s done.”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Nov 24, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FANGRAPHS ALERT
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Nov 24, 2008 2:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What the hell....
…Rotoworld AND Dave Cameron are okay with this? My knee doesn’t know which way to jerk anymore.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
by Skaldheim on Nov 24, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and maybe it’ll take a week to work out the details?
now that’s wishful thinking
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by baetown415 on Nov 24, 2008 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Still terrified
Of Burriss at 2B. Hope he gets some time at AAA. If he keeps playing well, giving him the job as a 26 y/o after spot starting in 2010 wouldn’t be that bad of a deal. But if we get the Renteria of ’08, bring on the Burriss…
All the projection systems have him bouncing back offensively, hopefully he rebounds somewhat with the defense. And the fangraph link above is very encouraging.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Nov 24, 2008 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's funny
Of all the young’uns I watched play the infield last season, Burriss’ defense at 2b impressed me the most. I know he can’t hit for crap, but do we know Frandsen will be able to be a solid big league hitter after losing a year to injury?
I’m pretty meh on a possible Renteria signing. If the best we can all say about it is that it’s a better option than locking in Furcal for four years, that’s kind of damning with faint praise.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
by Kitspool on Nov 24, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d rather frandsen get all the first half AB’s at 2B. He has the minor league track record, and has about the same OPS in a larger sampler size (about 100 more AB) in the majors. i’d give him 350 in the 1st half to audition for the 2nd.
i admit i haven’t seen much of burriss at 2B, but i dont think he’s a unique enough talent to give him a starting job with less than 1200 combined minors/majors AB’s…
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Nov 24, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*boring*
somebody wake me up when we sign a bat.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sources: Giants sign bat to six-year deal
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can he play third?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Never has, but he can probably wing it.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That joke really sucks.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
the bat will play short
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Nov 24, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it wasn't bad lol
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Nov 24, 2008 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
youve all gone BATTY!
do I win?
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 24, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
somebody wake me up when we sign somebody offensive
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AJ didn’t work out so well.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Nov 24, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, meet our new starting first baseman!
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll come in again...
wake me up when we sign someone who doesn’t suck, blood or otherwise.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
e.g.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
see?
it’s funny because he doesn’t have a mouth, and therefore, cannot suck.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was holding out for Batboy but i think he was type-a
http://lanceballance.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/batboy.jpg
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Nov 24, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
image fail
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Nov 24, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bat Boy!!!
Can he be the unoffical mascot for the ’09 season? OhpleaseOhpleaseOhpleaseOhplease?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ONLY IF
he can do the dancing air-hump
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rentaplaya to play 3rd base?
Might be an option. (not that his offense would be good there, but…)
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
better then Joe Castles.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nickname Evolution
Late-April: someone will call him Edgar Diarrhea
Mid-May: he will be forever known as Butt Pee
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Now thats an offensive machine!
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mine!
Id like to claim adoption rights over renteria and then legally change his name to edgar diarrhea. Thats how this system works, u just take ppl and then do whatever u want with their name right? I love America!
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 24, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta wait ‘til it’s offical
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for the record
If the signing turns out to be true, but for 3 instead of 2 years, I will switch from “somehwat supportive” to “hates deal”
by BigO on Nov 24, 2008 2:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hhSSSSSS!!!
Don’t mention such things. Sabean might hear you.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sfgiants.com confirms...
the radio report about the rumor.
Weird thing for the team site to post.
link.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 24, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Walrus Man:
What are the radio stations in Milwaukee reporting? They seem to have the inside dirt on Giants personnel moves.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
by Kitspool on Nov 24, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
THE GIANTS BASEBALL PLAYER TEAM SIGNED EDGAR RENTERIA. HE IS GOOD SWINGING THE BAT BUT NEEDS TO WORK ON CATCHING THE BALL! /judysteffes
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Judy’s syntax is improving.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 24, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MCC is down to #10 in Judy Steffes Google results
We used to be #1 or #2.
We do have a lot of the Image Search market share, though.
It’s a good thing Judy Steffes probably doesn’t know how to use The Google, or she’d have restraining orders against the lot of us by now (but mainly xanthan).
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that you replied to me in less than 60 seconds doesn’t tend to dispel the notion that you’re a stalker, young man.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t help myself, jcb9!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason why Xanthan is no longer Judy's #1 Fan
He married her.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Judy Steffes's next headline
“Dear reader, I married him.”
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lars, I love you.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Back off
I don’t need a jealous Judy Steffes hunting me down!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch out! She’s got a tire iron!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
World's Worst Photoshop
You can tell how long I spent working on that one, I’m sure.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would make me terribly proud if this became the #1 Google Image Search result for Judy Steffes.
Gotta dream a dream and all.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NEVER GIVE UP YOUR DREAMS
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This reminds me
The other night, I made a joke to my wife about Judy Steffes sleeping in churches. And then I had to explain the whole Judy Steffes backstory to her. Good thing, ‘cause she didn’t think I was quite weird enough already.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
delorean's wife was a bit wary of the McCoven
But she also does flying trapeze, so you can’t trust her judgement.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Nov 24, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly she is unfit to lead.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
looks 'shopped
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 24, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How did you get Mike Meyers to look so much like xanthan?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh man, the google image results for Judy Steffes made me lol and lol and lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Nov 24, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/computer schematic
/pie
/wilford brimley
yup, that’s pretty much all the things I love.
/deer head
Bay City Ball