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McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #11

Feel free to make a write in as your vote.  Just list who you want, don't vote in the poll, and then try and make a case to sway people.  I'm not adding anyone right now just because we have enough clogging up the poll.  This poll will end about 9pm PST on Sunday night.

 

1. SP Madison Bumgarner
2. "C" Buster Posey
3. SP Tim Alderson
4. 1B Angel Villalona

5. 2B Nick Noonan
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie

7. SP Henry Sosa
8. OF Rafael Rodriguez
9. OF Roger Kieschnick

10. SP Kevin Pucetas

Ehire Adrianza, SS, 19 - Hit .241/.351/.325 in 2007 over 249 AB in the DSL with 41 BB and 37 K.  Hit .288/.382/.409 in 2008 over 66 AB, mostly in Rookie Ball with 9 BB and 6 K.  He is an excellent defensive SS and scouts love him.

Scott Barnes, LHP, 21 - Pitched 90.1 innings at St. John's in 2008 with 90 K, 45 BB, 3 HR, 1.26 WHIP, and 3.69 ERA as a junior.  Pitched 43.2 innings in the minors in 2008, mostly at A-Ball Augusta, with 63 K, 12 BB, 0 HR, 0.67 WHIP, 1.38 ERA, and ~40% groundball rate.  He throws a high 80's, low 90's fastball, a slider, and a change.

Brandon Crawford, SS, 21 - Drafted 2008, #117 overall.  Hit .335/.404/.504 over 248 AB with 25 BB and 58 K his sophmore year of college at UCLA in 2007.  Hit .302/.394/.491 over 232 AB with 31 BB and 59 K his junior year.  He is another toolsy player considered to have not broken out yet.

Travis Ishikawa, 1B, 25 - Drafted 2002, #637 overall.  Hit .260/.355/.454 over ~2500 AB in the minors across all levels.  Broke out in 2008 with a .291/.382/.462 line in AA and a .310/.370/.737 line in AAA before hitting .274/.337/.432 in the majors.  He is also a great defensive firstbaseman.

Wendell Fairley, OF, 20 - Drafted 2007, #29 overall.  Hit .259/.388/.337 over 193 AB in Rookie Ball in 2008 with 26 BB and 37 K.  He has incredible tools with plus raw power and great speed.

Joseph Martinez, SP, 25 - Drafted 2005, #372 overall.  Has thrown 547.2 innings in his 4 years of pro ball with an ERA of 3.40 and 1.17 WHIP.  Last season in AA he threw 148 innings with 131 H, 6 HR 37 BB 112 K for an ERA of 2.49 and 1.14 WHIP with a 57% groundball rate.  More of a finesse pitcher than anything, but has continued to post good stats as he moves up in levels.

Osiris Matos, RP, 24 - Signed as an undrafted free agent in 2002.  Started his career as a starter and was converted to a reliever in 2006.  Last year in the majors his threw 20.2 innings and had a 4.79 ERA with a 1.69 WHIP, but in 36.2 innings in AA this year had a 1.23 ERA and a 0.98 WHIP.

Ryan Rohlinger, 3B/2B?, 25 - Drafted 2006, #176 overall.  Has played 3B in the minors but is being considered for 2B it seems.  Hit .235/.332/.415 in his first full season with 18 HR in the SAL league.  Hit for a better average last year in San Jose at .285/.368/.419 and posted a .855 OPS in a short AA trial before being called up to the big leagues to sit on the bench.  He's got good patience but probably not the power to stick at third.

Clayton Tanner, LHP, 20 - Drafted 2006, #89 overall.  Over three seasons has thrown 278.1 IP, 288 H, 213 K, 91 BB, 7 HR, 1.36 WHIP, 3.62 ERA, and ~56% groundball rate across the three levels of A-ball.  In 2008 threw 117.0 IP, 124 H, 84 K, 39 BB, 1 HR, 1.39 WHIP, 3.69 ERA, and a 55% groundball rate in High-A.  He throws a fastball, breaking ball, and change.

Testers: Justin Hedrick, Brian Anderson, Thomas Neal, EME, Matt Downs, Aaron King, Ben Snyder, Ben Copeland

Poll
Who is the best prospect?
Ehire Adrianza
27 votes
Scott Barnes
20 votes
Brandon Crawford
24 votes
Travis Ishikawa
95 votes
Wendell Fairley
55 votes
Joseph Martinez
5 votes
Osiris Matos
2 votes
Ryan Rohlinger
0 votes
Clayton Tanner
10 votes

238 votes | Poll has closed

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TI gets jponry's vote for prospect #11

Remains sexy while doing so.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 21, 2008 9:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also I think you may have put #7 on the list twice.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I what?

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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 9:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep..

TI has been my vote for a while. This is probably where he gets on unless Pucetas people suddenly want upsiders.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 9:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis Ishikawa gets groug's vote!

Prediction: groud goes for Fairley.

My current Interwebs obsession is pretty awesome. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.

by groug on Nov 21, 2008 9:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TI for me. Lets just hope hes still raking next year, and he can be taken any “prospect” list we may have.

I can haz homerunz!

by jbowl on Nov 21, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry should have read “taken off any "prospect…”

I can haz homerunz!

by jbowl on Nov 21, 2008 9:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TI

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Nov 21, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brian Anderson

...Alawys surrounded by Angels and Dodger fans... This site keeps me sane

by Giant among Angels on Nov 21, 2008 9:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't you dare mention Dizzy

Nobody in the Top 10 has played above “A” ball.

by wilriv21 on Nov 21, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually, gillaspie played in the ML

Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?

by Speedforthewin on Nov 21, 2008 11:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Nov 22, 2008 6:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m for TI, and would have preferred pucetas and Ishi go back to back 7/8 but 10/11 is good as well

Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?

by Speedforthewin on Nov 21, 2008 11:13 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ish

Pucetas lovers – explain yourself. How is he better than Joe Martinez or Ben Snyder? Do you not agree that Ishikawa has both a higher ceiling and a better chance of sticking in the majors? If you disagree, why? If you agree, why the hell didn’t you vote for Ish?

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 22, 2008 2:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scott Barnes

I wholeheartedly hope that Ishikawa is next year’s starter at 1B, but prospect-wise I’ve got to go with Scott Barnes, who I actually have in my top 10, and foresee as a possible above-average ML starter. I see TI as more of a JT Snow kind of guy.

I see Pucetas as slightly above both Martinez and Snyder, Cookyman, but I have hopes for all three. But then, I prefer pie to cookies.

Peach pie ftw!

Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.

by Lyle on Nov 22, 2008 7:31 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Ishikawa gets anywhere close to JT’s career, I will be thrilled.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Nov 22, 2008 8:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be nice….Not sure if he will get the chance.

...Alawys surrounded by Angels and Dodger fans... This site keeps me sane

by Giant among Angels on Nov 22, 2008 8:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea..

I’d love JT. I think with Ishi he may have more power but less WALKage.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 22, 2008 2:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ishi he may have more power but less WALKage.

Isn’t that just a stereotype about Asian men?

by wilriv21 on Nov 22, 2008 2:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno..

Wouldn’t you know?

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by WalrusMan on Nov 22, 2008 4:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is what she said

by wilriv21 on Nov 22, 2008 4:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can see why someone would have Pucetas slightly above the other two (though there are argument to be made for all three of them), but I don’t understand why anyone would take any of the three over Ishikawa. And, mainly, I really don’t understand how Pucetas got the #10 spot, when Martinez has only two #11 votes, and Snyder isn’t even on the ballot.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 22, 2008 8:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally, I would take Martinez over any of them. In my mind, his floor is a #4 and his ceiling is a #3. That type of guy is worth about $10 million on the open market. As for Ishi, I see his future as a NRI type.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Nov 22, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

#3? Really? The guy had a K/9 of 6.81 as a 25 y-o, in Norwich. That’s pretty terrible. I’d say his ceiling is a #4/#5 and his floor is a career minor leaguer.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 22, 2008 1:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His very good groundball rate and control make up for it. His MLE FIP from Norwich was 4.13.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Nov 22, 2008 1:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That FIP is largely a result of a (probably) unsustainable HR/FB rate.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 22, 2008 2:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe, but with his groundballing ways and our home park, it shouldn’t increase that much. Even then, what are we looking at, a 4.5 FIP at worst? Lohse and Silva are getting paid $10-$12 million annually for that performance.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Nov 22, 2008 4:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where are you getting your MLE’s? As far as I know MLE’s are only available for hitters. Anyway, His BP translation has him with a 5.15 ERA. And I’m just really worried about the K’s – these kinds of pitchers are usually hit hard in the higher levels. Martinez did well in AA, but it was in an extreme pitchers park, and he was 25 y-o. And I haven’t heard anything good from scouts about him. I might somehow be kind of OKish with calling him a potential #3, but to say that his floor is a #4? That’s just crazy talk if you ask me. He still has a very good chance of burning out.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2008 9:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got the MLE from Minor League Splits. Granted, saying his floor is a #4 is a bit much, but it’s what I truly believe.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Nov 23, 2008 10:41 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minor League Splits only has a batting MLE calculator.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2008 11:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They changed their format a few months ago and on player pages you can adjust for luck and do MLE’s among other things.

Martinez’s page is here:

http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=458155

If you see in the upper right corner, you can do the MLE stuff.

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 23, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It basically just normalized his HR rate and knocks off some K’s from his K/9. It still treats him as a 57%+ GB pitcher which will be the key for him to succeed at higher levels. I actually like Martinez but that’s my biggest fear with him. I believe this was his first season ever of showing GB tendencies of this magnitude.

Actually, looking at his career stats he showed them in 2006 with Augusta, he had an near 60% GB rate that year.

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 23, 2008 11:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I just disagree with the MLE’s (and agree with the BP translation) on how many K’s he’s going to lose.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2008 11:41 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His MLE K/9 was 5.37 which is pretty low, but if he’s really a 60-ish GB pitcher who’s only walking 2 hitters per 9 innings, he could survive. Even if you think his K/9 should be closer to 4.0, if he can maintain a GB of 55-60% he’s basically a poor mans Aaron Cook. That’s not a bad thing to have.

How many K’s do you think he’s going to lose?

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 23, 2008 11:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m expecting a 4.5-ish K/9. His career GB% is somewhere between 53% and 55%, depends whom you ask, and he has a good walk rate, so I guess that even with a terrible K rate he could still be a decent starter, but I just don’t think it’s likely. Really though, my objections was more about his floor than about his ceiling. I still think, given his underwhelming stuff, age, and the total lack of buzz from scouts, that there’s a good chance that he’ll never make it in the majors.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2008 12:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His chances are probably just as slim as another other “finesse” pitcher with middling stuff. I think of the Pucetas, Tanner, Synder group, he’s probably just as good as any of them. There’s a good chance none of these guys will ever make it to the majors.

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 23, 2008 3:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another other = any other

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 23, 2008 3:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ll give an advantage to Tanner based on age and left-handedosity. Snyder, too, to a lesser extent.

by Grant on Nov 23, 2008 4:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, Tanner’s age is one of the better things hes got going for himself. I’m a fan of Snyder but his implosion in AA wasn’t very comforting. In regards to “stuff” they are all very similar with Tanner probably having the best upside because last I heard, he threw a tick harder than the rest.

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 23, 2008 5:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would be interested to know what the STATS computer thinks of that group of semi-interesting minor league pitchers that the Giants have.

We need a Giant fan’s guide to Snyder, Pucetas, Tanner, English, Martinez and how to tell them apart.

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2008 5:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

Where do you guys rate Barnes in comparison to the others?

by wilriv21 on Nov 23, 2008 5:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like him better than everyone on the list

I’ve been voting for him for a few polls now. Good strikeout stuff, several decent pitches, and he’s a lefty.

by boonitez on Nov 23, 2008 11:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jesse English?

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Nov 24, 2008 6:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nay

he’s a tad old for my taste. Although, Barnes may well end up 23 and still in A ball too, but meh.

by boonitez on Nov 24, 2008 8:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he’s a tad old for my taste.

You sure you want to go on the record with that wording?

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 25, 2008 10:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think of the Pucetas, Tanner, Synder group, he’s probably just as good as any of them

I agree. In fact, that was supposed to be my original point – I see 3 similar pitchers in Snyder, Pucetas, and Martinez, who all have their pros and cons, and yet Pucetas is getting huge support while Snyder and Martinez are pretty much being ignored.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2008 12:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

For some reason they only link to batting MLE’s on their main page.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2008 11:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, no problem, they should be on all the individual player pages.

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 23, 2008 11:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted for Wendell for the change we need!

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 22, 2008 7:42 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's Fairley reasonable

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Nov 22, 2008 8:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wendall we know if he won?

My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman

by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 7:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soon

Fairley soon. Did he Wendell or Windell? And did he Wendell Fairley?

by sharksrog on Nov 25, 2008 2:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

  • TI
    Then Wendell

My adopted son Matt Downs. Lost in the wilderness of mediocrity.

by nvsfg on Nov 22, 2008 8:49 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted Fairley, and still think English should be in the poll over some of the others.

by mxmob33 on Nov 22, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed about English. I dont see how he’s not even a tester yet.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Nov 23, 2008 9:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that Jesse English is no longer a minor league FA and is on the 40-man roster it would be a good time to add as a tester.

by wilriv21 on Nov 23, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

and i voted for wendell… just like i did in the last poll and will probably have to do in the next.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Nov 23, 2008 12:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adrianza

slick D at short with a decent eye? got me hooked

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Nov 22, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m still in eHire’s camp.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 22, 2008 4:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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