Projecting the Giants hitters: the Olivers

by baetown415 on Nov 21, 2008 11:00 AM PST Comment 35 comments

I'm actually not too familiar with Brian Cartwright's Oliver system, but using information from these two sites, it's supposed to be slightly more advanced than the Marcels, including some minor league and batted ball data. Someone, preferably a non-computer, correct me if I'm wrong.

Looking at our favorite targets using batting average/on-base average/slugging average and weighted on-base average (which I think was .333 for an average hitter last season. correct me if i'm wrong again. humans only):

Manny Burriss: .262/.316/.324 for a wOBA of .291 (ouch)

Pablito: .290/.318/.453 for a wOBA of .332. That's kind of Meh

"Scott": .273/.331/.434 for a wOBA of .335

I have to run to class, but these projections so far have me more pessimistic about 2009 than I already was.

What do you all think?

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btw

I didn’t make the links pop up in a new tab/window, so you’re going to have to do that manually. sorry

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Nov 21, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I greatly prefer it this way, myself. Personally, if I want my link to open in a new window/tab, I can do that myself. It’s called right click.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What is this right click you speak of, PC-breath?

Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.

by Lyle on Nov 22, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Right click is convenience itself.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 22, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Right clicking opens up worlds of possibilities. I hate one button mice.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Nov 22, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

MACS R EVIL

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."

by WalrusMan on Nov 22, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

CATS R EVUL

PCs are just dumb.

Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.

by Lyle on Nov 25, 2008 6:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Or you can middle-mouse click!

by Natto on Nov 22, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ctrl+click!

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by WalrusMan on Nov 22, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This is the correct way to do things. Everyone else is wrong because I say so.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

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by marcello on Nov 23, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting, thanks for the link. I’ll download them into Excel and run around in the projections later. I’m not surprised that it’s more critical of Manny if it’s using some sort of minor league data to help it’s forecasts.

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 21, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Marcel…Oliver…

I am eagerly awaiting the Mary Poppins projections!

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 21, 2008 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Supercalifragalisticexpialidocious

I’m afraid the Giants’ hitting will be quite a atrocious.
If you watch them long enough you’ll end up acrimonious

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Nov 22, 2008 1:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Olivers fun projection game!

According to these projections the Giants have two hitters projecting an OPS of over .800.

500 McCoven Clams to the first person to guess them both!

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Nov 21, 2008 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Travis Denker and Ray Durham!

/deer head
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by xanthan on Nov 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Matt Cain and Steve Holm

by Natto on Nov 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fred Lewis and Scott McClain!

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kirk Rueter and Johnnie LeMaster

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by groug on Nov 21, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

One of them has to be John Dowd. That guy’s just unreal.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..." Well, apparently he succeeded on that last go 'round.

by multiphasic on Nov 21, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ishikawa and Rowand

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?

by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Phelps and Ishi

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Nov 21, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Note

forgot to mention that this is across all levels

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Nov 21, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

actually there are 3

not all current Giants are listed in SFN.

But something is quite odd about those projections; of the top 7 projected hitters (9 if you include the 3rd .800 OPS guy, although he is projected to a different park?), NONE of them were starters last year, and only 2 saw any time on the MLB team.

The 8-9-10th projections are Rowand, Sandoval and Winn.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?

by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

also

Angel Villalona is projected to out hit Bengie Molina!

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?

by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and

we have to sign a SS.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?

by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point

I forgot to check for people not listed as SFN

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Nov 21, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the projections are park-neutral

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Nov 21, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oliver projects that the Giants' offense won't win any laurels

Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment

by rxmeister on Nov 21, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

nor Hardy

Molina's gonna test his arm...

by Victorious Secret on Nov 21, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hardy har har.

by rotorueter on Nov 21, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good job, Mark!

Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.

by Lyle on Nov 22, 2008 7:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Olivers?

I’m Darren you not to take it Al so seriously.

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by leftymalo on Nov 21, 2008 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

these are brutal

but I expect Zips will say the same.

The sad part is that they don’t even look much better when you replace our infielders with the likes of Hudson, Furcal, Beltre, etc.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?

by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

horwitz and jose guzman!! guys to build a team around. A corner OF and a DH

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by foothillsfan on Nov 21, 2008 2:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Best OBP= Brian Horwitz?

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 21, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs