Plan for 2009 Giants

7 months ago krukuipandclint Comment 36 comments 0 recs |

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My Giants Plan:
Sign CC to a 4yr/100M contract (25M/yr = highest paid pitcher in MLB)
Sign Lincecum through his arbitration years 4/16M (1M,3M,5M,7M,)
Sign a RHP but first wait to see who is offered arbitration (Cruz or Howry)
Sign Juan Uribe for utility role 2yr/8M
Trade Sanchez for Beltre if Lowry is deemed healthy this winter

2009 Team:
RF Winn — Schierholtz OF
LF Lewis — Roberts/Bowker OF
3B Beltre
C Molina — Holm C
1B Sandoval
CF Rowand
2B Frandsen — Velez 2B/OF
SS Burriss — Uribe Util

Lincecum
Sabathia
Cain
Zito
Lowry

Wilson
Romo
Affeldt
Cruz/Howry
Hinshaw
Valdez
Yabu

The main objective of this offseason should be to solidify the bullpen, allow spots for the young positional prospects to play and make a dominant starting staff for the future to lean on as our hitters continue to develop in the minors. This team would compete next year as well as have minor league help coming up to supplement the pitching staff once Lowry departs. CC, Lincey and Cain would make a dangerous staff and the bullpen will be a good mix of young and proven vets/ FA arms. Uribe would provide a powerful bat off the bench that can backup all around the infield and especially at SS in case Burriss falters. I see Uribe as a good choice for this utility role because he is a worthy backup but won’t necessarily be given a starting spot over one of the young infielders. Lastly, I would just like to find a way to cut Roberts and replace him with Bowker on the bench as a 1B/OF, and this may be possible with Lewis starting the year on the DL because of his bunion surgery.

by krukuipandclint on Nov 20, 2008 11:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

good luck to you, but not a chance you get cc at those years, and lincecum to buy out at that. And you’ll probably have to give up something you’d rather not to get beltre.

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by haverecords on Nov 20, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

…never get lincecum to allow the team to buy out his arbitration years at that price, that is.

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by haverecords on Nov 21, 2008 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How about 5yrs/115 for CC? 23 per year would still make him the highest paid arm in the NL and he would come off the books the same time as Zito.

by krukuipandclint on Nov 21, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sanchez is too much to pay for Beltre. Also, that lineup is still not really going anywhere.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

my logic

Beltre is exactly the type of player that we should be going after. He plays good defense, has some real pop and will be a type A free agent next year. I would most definitely offer him arbitration and either get him for 1 more year before Gillaspie takes over at 3B or take 2 high draft picks. I view Sanchez as a nice young arm, but think that CC, Lincecum, Cain, Zito and Lowry will hold down the fort on the rotation front in 2009 allowing Sanchez to be dealt for some power. In 2010, Lowry and his deal will be coming off the books opening a rotation spot for Sanchez or better yet Alderson or Bumgarner.

Sanchez for Beltre + 2 Draft picks.

I would make this deal pretty easily if CC was on our team.

by krukuipandclint on Nov 21, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Patience Grasshopper

As things are we are not planning on a run for 2009. Look to Focus resources for 2010 or 2011 at the soonest. Tell then moves should be to move toward being flexible and gathering resources ( picks, minor leaguers of interest etc). Let Beltre hit the market and throw money at him if that sold on him next winter.

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by daveinexile on Nov 21, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Patience is something that I am trying to stress with this plan. I view Beltre as 2 draft picks, want to make a dominant staff for the next 4 years and have zero interest in picking up an aging and fragile middle infielder on a bloated contract.

I guess where I differ from most is that I don’t see Sanchez becoming the star we are all hoping for and would rather get 2 picks in the 2010 draft personally. The whole plan teeters on CC coming to SF,so this whole plan could become moot when he signs with LA or NY.

by krukuipandclint on Nov 21, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I see Beltre as more useful for filling the hole at third and in the 3-5 spot in the order. So if getting him I would advocate holding him for 3 years or so. Don’t get me wrong I like Picks but you have to figure a pick would be least 3 years ( probably longer) away from contributing.

As for Sanchez I think is a more generic type special pitcher. Not necessarily a Cy Young type but he either improves his stamina or he goes to the pen initially as a 6 or 7th inning guy. The later can happen after he shows he can’t cut it as a starter or if he is forced out in the next couple seasons by other younger pitchers.

CC ,Zito & Rowand is death to any medium term plans. Too much money for too long. It will be used as an excuse to sell off the young core in 2010, 2011, 2012. I do agree though steady bottom of the rotation free agent starter could be real nice addition.

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by daveinexile on Nov 22, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually,

at the beginning of last season I would have agreed with you, but after the emergence of Timmy, the progress of Sanchez, and a possible breakout season for Cain next year, I think it would be a waste of excellent pitching if the Giants did not try and become competitive as soon as possible.

I also disagree on your Beltre plan. I would rather trade for him, and then get the draft picks if he cannot be signed to a reasonable extension. Waiting until he is a FA with no ties to the Giants will almost certainly result in an unreasonable contract.

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by marklar on Nov 22, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You make vaild points.

My concerns in the scenario you draw are 2 fold.

1) The Giants are would probably be swapping 2-3 prospect types for him. Or a young player off the 25 man and minor league help. Last I looked our upper minors are not that well stocked yet so why would wish to reset the development clock right now?

2) I suspect we will have to pay large anyways. He is probably the best third baseman( if he stays healthy) on the open free agent market in several years. Add to that next to nothing at the SS spot is due up for the next 2-3 years and he will command a very nice contract.

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by daveinexile on Nov 22, 2008 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I will budge on what Lincecum will cost. I was just going with a figure relatively close to what Longoria got at 7yr/22M (.5M,.5M,1M,2M,4.5M,7.5M + 2 option years).

by krukuipandclint on Nov 21, 2008 1:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Lincecum

More established than Longoria.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What would you offer Lincecum to be paid through his arbitration years?

by krukuipandclint on Nov 21, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

100 billion dollars

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Nov 21, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d go higher, if necessary.

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by groug on Nov 21, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Quit being so damn cheap.

by timmeh on Nov 22, 2008 2:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well..

I’m not sure really the contract situation he’s in. But he’d probably get around the 5-6 million mark in his first year of arbitration and probably toward 10 in his second year.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My plan

Lots of booze.

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by Natto on Nov 21, 2008 1:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Second

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by groug on Nov 21, 2008 1:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

…chocolate

by Merope on Nov 21, 2008 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Add the hot guy from my screenwriting class and I say we have a party.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2008 7:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A pants party!

/deer head
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by xanthan on Nov 21, 2008 7:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone is invited!

by Natto on Nov 21, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Only..

With no pants on. Can’t come to a pants party with pants, otherwise you’ll never leave with pants.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Mhm..

Although will no longer be Spotted Cow. :-(

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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If they sign CC and get Beltre

they may as well go get Furcal too, if you’re looking to actually compete this year.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 21, 2008 9:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Don't want Furcal

Raphie is too much of an injury liability and would undermine the 2nd part of the main objective of my plan I have set forth of “allowing spots for the young positional prospects to play.” Beltre would not do so because there is no ready prospect at 3B for at least a year or 2 (Gillaspie)

by krukuipandclint on Nov 21, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't know if it will take Gillaspie that long to get to the bigs

they brought him up last year and I would expect him to have a fast track to the majors, i wouldn’t be suprised if he’s up by the end of this next year.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 21, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But will he stick better at 3rd or 2nd when compared to the rest of the league? Now that is a question to consider for next winter.

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by daveinexile on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I'd hope it would be 3rd

I’m much more comfy with Pablo at first. Frandsen and Gillespie could swap positions once in a while.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 21, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would say something about small sample size except it isn’t bigg enough yet. ;)

You get my drift though in that we should have a better idea what the team might have in Gillespie come July or August and the team will have better idea what will be available from outside by then as well.

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by daveinexile on Nov 21, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They brought him up because it was in his contract. And a year or two is a fast track.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 21, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2008 9:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

for a second I thought you were trying to cleverly say that there was no plan for the Giants…

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by baetown415 on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Like others

have already said, Sanchez is too much for Beltre. I love Beltre and want him in a Giants uni, but for the years that Sanchez is under control makes him too much to pay.

And, like what has already been said about CC, you won’t get him for that; he wants 6 years. Anyway, I see CC as being a big risk. Tying up so much payroll in 2 pitchers with the injury risk to one and the stinkitude of the other would cripple the Giants during the peak years of Lincecum and Cain.

Thirdly, Timmy has already said that he prefers to go year to year until he reaches FA.

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by marklar on Nov 22, 2008 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs