40-Man Roster Updates
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2008 8:04 PM PST
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Per Baggs: Giants add Jesse English, three others to 40-man roster
The Giants added four players to the 40-man roster, which tells us the organization thinks highly of their potential. All are pitchers: LHP Jesse English and RHPs Joey Martinez, Henry Sosa and Waldis Joaquin.
Their roster now stands at 37. (Random thought: Is it like buying seats in coach? Do they need to keep two spaces clear for CC Sabathia?)
If you’re a prospect hound, you’re familiar with all four new additions. Joaquin is a power arm with a plus slider who could be a factor in late relief. Sosa is another power pitcher who had the biggest fastball in the system last year and earned a trip to the Futures Game. But this year, it took him a long time to rebound from knee surgery and he didn’t flash the same consistently good stuff this past season. Martinez is a control pitcher who is coming off an ERA title in the Double-A Eastern League. There’s nothing to make scouts drool, but he keeps the ball down and has plus command with four pitches.
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JOEY MARTINEZ
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Nov 20, 2008 8:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like him a lot.
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by marcello on Nov 20, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IAWTC
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 20, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see English make it, I was hoping he would.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2008 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It may be time to aggressively promote him to upper minors. Will he be a SP or a RP?
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2008 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping for a SP, but realistically probably a RP.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So I Was Right Then
The Giants did indeed still have time to add English to the 40 man roster and thus avoid him becoming a minor league free agent. Good to know I at least got this one right.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2008 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good to know I at least got this one right.
It was bound to happen at least once! ^ _ ^
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2008 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I’m guessing if the Giants try to take English off the 40-man he has to go back through waivers? Transaction stuff always makes my head spin.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
That’s how they lost Jon Coutlangus, IIRC.
by MiGigantes on Nov 20, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
The deadline was October 15th. As reported elsewhere, English did become a minor league free agent, but the Giants organization re-signed him.
by MiGigantes on Nov 20, 2008 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
It doesn’t necesarily mean that. If he was a minor league free agent he would have become one anyway and we would have needed to resign him. They only added him to the roster to protect him from the Rule V draft.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On Second Read What Are You Saying?
If he was a minor league free agent why would the Giants be concerned about the Rule 5 Draft? I initially thought you were saying they could of re-signed him as a minor league free agent but in re-reading your post this just is not clear. If you are saying he could of been an minor league free agent, then re-signed, and then added to the 40 Man Roster to protect from Rule 5 draft then I agree that I initially did not see this possibility. But, if this is what you ment you were not very clear.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK..
There are 2 basic situations here.
1. He was a minor league free agent. He was resigned to a minor league contract. He needs to be protected from the Rule V. He was added to the roster.
2. He wasn’t a minor league free agent. He needs to be protected from the Rule V. He was added to the roster.
If we’ve only got those two situations then we don’t know what his contract status is still.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me..
“contract status was still.”
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We Now Have The Answer And I Was Indeed Right
According to the above official press release from the Giants they purchased English’s contract as opposed to signing him as a minor league free agent.
by giantsrainman on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this sounds like a Kaiser Chiefs album title
by oldjacket on Nov 21, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We Are The Angry Mob!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 21, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Carebear...
…you’ll never change. Here’s your silly link request that supports that English was in fact a minor league free agent.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1786
Here’s the deal: since English had six years of pro service, he could declare himself a free agent; free to hook up with any organization who could offer him the best chance at the majors. The Giants simply re-signed him, probably by promising to add him to the 40-man roster.
It’s really not that complicated and not worthy of all that arguing and debating you’re so (in)famous for.
by MiGigantes on Nov 21, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who Is Carebear?
I saw the BA claim and it was discussed in the other Fanpost. Per the Giants (as I linked) BA was wrong.
by giantsrainman on Nov 21, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So does this mean Jesse English is a prospect again? He had strong numbers this year, but I’ve been waiting for an updated scouting report.
by Dan from NM on Nov 20, 2008 8:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good Joke By Baggs
Random thought: Is it like buying seats in coach? Do they need to keep two spaces clear for CC Sabathia
But I am thinking the other spot is for that righthanded reliever we are supose to be after.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are there any notable exclusions?
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Nov 20, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure..
I don’t have access to the actual contracts the Giants have with the players.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From a post from #10 Prospect
EME, J.Martinez, Copeland as Prospects
With the Rule 5 draft coming up, I think we get some insight on how the Giants value some of their own prospects. Last year at this time they added Denker, Bowker, Timpner, and Pichardo to the 40 man roster is order to keep them out of last year’s draft. Within the next couple of weeks they will probably add 3 or 4 prospects to keep them out of this year’s draft. I believe that EME, J.Martinez, Copeland, Richardson, H.Sosa, Ford, Joaquin, Schoop, Periera, Hendrick, B.Anderson, Trinidad, Mooney, Hammond, and Espineli are all eligible to be drafted.
My guess is they add H.Sosa for sure. Joaquin, Copeland, and Ford all were chosen to play for prestigious Fall leagues, so I think that they would be the favorites for the remaining spots. We will likely lose two or three of the remaining players in the draft.
by nelson95 on Nov 20, 2008 6:55 AM PST
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't You Read The Whole Post?
After adding the 4 (Martinez, Sosa, English, and Joaquin) there are now only 3 spots left on the 40 man roster and these spots are earmarked for the starting pitcher, middle infielder, and reliever the Giants are chasing in free agency. There are no more open 40 man roster slots to add any more the these 4 and the deadline to add has now passed. Everyone else is exposed to the Rule 5 Draft.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't You Read The Whole Post?
Wow that’s difficult typing all those capitalizations dude.
Anyway, he reposted that from another thread. Those are the prospects that did need protecting from what nelson95 found, obviously English wasn’t someone he looked at.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t You Read The Whole Post Comment?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 21, 2008 3:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Denker
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Nov 21, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too soon.
The horror… the horror… the horror…
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 21, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't explain it, but I'm really happy they kept English.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 20, 2008 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Got a feeling inside…
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 21, 2008 4:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(To Boston, not white fros)
I’m fine with white fros as long as they’re Jewfros.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 21, 2008 4:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your Boston hate makes me sad, Cookyman.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 21, 2008 5:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Look Back
my favorite Boston song. Can’t understand why a guy who sings like that would kill himself. Now a guy who sings like me…..
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Nov 21, 2008 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So many players...
…have come and gone. Their faces fades as the years go by.
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on Nov 22, 2008 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is wrong with you people?
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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The first rule of the internet is that you must hate everything.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 21, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially religion. (mostly just the judeo-christian ones)
by mxmob33 on Nov 21, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with which ones of us?
The ones who hate Boston or the ones who love them? Cause there are different things wrong with each.
What’s wrong with those of us who hate Boston is that we’re elitist snobs.
What’s wrong with those of you who love Boston is that, well, you love Boston.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Nov 21, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok but what if
you don’t hate them per se, and in fact, kind of enjoy catching an occassional song on the radio now and again, but have seriously negative feelings toward the band related to going to high school in the San Joaquin Valley in the mid-70s, when virtually every one of your school mates worshipped and idolized them, wore Boston T-shirts on a daily basis, named them the greatest band in rock history and the inventor of every important innovation the music world would ever see, while you were mocked and derided for your sad devotion to bands nobody had or would ever hear of like X and the Clash and even (what a bizarre world the valley in the 70s was) Bruce Springsteen.
Not that ever happened to me or anything. I’m just saying what if…
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Nov 21, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stay strong. Realize even The Unwashed Heathens ( band name alert?) can do the correct thing by accident. But being Unwashed Heathens they just keeping hitting the button and calling it great without realizing what they did. You know kind of like Dodger Fans
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 21, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger
That was my first reaction to Boston as well, although my particular circumstances involved the guys in the college dorm room at the end of the hall playing that album LOUDLY and constantly. Couldn’t get far enough away from it. Then, as a DJ at the college radio station, I found it was in our rotation. When played at an acceptable level, it wasn’t bad. Then I geeked out on the guitar virtuosity of Tom Scholz, as well as his technical skills.
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on Nov 22, 2008 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grand Funk Railrod FTW!!!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Nov 21, 2008 5:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
errr….“Railroad”…“RailRod” sounds kinda porny
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Nov 21, 2008 5:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Freudian slip FTW!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 21, 2008 5:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grand Funk RaRod!
He should be starting in RF for the Giants in 2013. I hereby so name him.
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on Nov 22, 2008 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Lynne
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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love ELO more than I probably should.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 21, 2008 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never really got into ELO. I do like his inputs to the Wilburys so maybe I have to go back and have a listen. He does have the requisite afro.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 21, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a big classic rock fan, but I really like ELO. The rock mixed with classical music is not something I normally like, but they made it work. And Jeff Lynne’s voice is so bad that it was good.
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by rxmeister on Nov 21, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not humanly possible. But you are computer (and among the finest) so it might be theoretically possible. But I doubt it.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Nov 21, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I found someone who looks a lot like you
She does the things you do
But she is an IBM
(is that what you want?)
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They were definitely ahead of their time. Songs like “Mr. Blue Sky” still sound amazing.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Nov 21, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sib
More than a feeling, indeed.
by biff pocoroba on Nov 21, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best hair ever
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on Nov 22, 2008 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gives me some more time to work on my Jesse/Johnny English Photochop!
by Natto on Nov 20, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So who of note in the organization could potentially be selected away in the rule 5?
Is EME still protected?
by Keenlow on Nov 21, 2008 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hello Cleveland!!!
The Clevelad Indians left the formerly highly regarded, and Burlingame resident Chuck Lofgren unprotected. He was Baseball America’s #2 Cleveland prospect coming in to the 2007, but was absolutely terrible pitching in Akron this year. On top of that, he was probably the single worst pitcher in the AFL, giving up an estimated 3,873 earned runs in his twelve innings of work.
He’s still young. He’s still a lefty. He’s a nice kid. Think that there’s any interest?
by biff pocoroba on Nov 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Espinelli? they don’t expect him to be grabbed in rule 5? Just because lefties ahead of him include Affeldt, Hinshaw, Taschner, plus Misch and now English. Misch has seen mixed results at the major level. Both are kinda old, Gino 26 and Pat 27.
Copeland, EME and my man Antwan Richardson are kind of generic outfielders that don’t hit for power that would not look great on a big league roster if grabbed in rule 5.
Schoop would be a gutsy guy to draft and a shame to lose, if the post is correct.
adopter/sponsor of "Go, Antoan" Richardson
by foothillsfan on Nov 21, 2008 10:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Espinelli is only useful if he pulls up in a jeepney filled with pinay
by wilriv21 on Nov 21, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch !
My adopted son Matt Downs. Lost in the wilderness of mediocrity.
by nvsfg on Nov 21, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the way he’s been pitching, the ladies will not step aboard. Disappointing in both ways.
/ pimpin ain’t easy
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 21, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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