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Buster Posey won't stick at catcher

It's been mentioned here before, but I'll add to everyone's misery. Buster Posey is not a good catcher. I am in Oahu today and have just witnessed some very, very bad fundamentals. Take my opinion with a grain of salt, but here's what I saw:

  • Gerald's blocking skills are nearly non-existent. For an ex-shortstop, Posey has some real limitations with staying in front of balls on the dirt. He has a bad habit of reaching across his body for pitches going to his right. In the eighth inning, he did block two absolutely filthy sliders that bounced six inches in front of home. The first bad slider was textbook. The second one got past him -- going to his left about three feet -- for the game tying run. To make things worse, he didn't pick up the ball to his left and flipped it over the pitcher's head when he recovered. The go-ahead run scored on this error. Basically, his ball blocking skills are not even remotely major league quality. I sat next to another player's dad and he had a ton of complaints about Posey's blocking.
  • Posey had only a few opportunities to throw out base runners, but disappointed me on those few plays. (BTW, his pitchers didn't help as they hardly threw over to first.) Posey's footwork on throws to second is pretty pedistrian. Basically, good catchers have a quick rock step to catch, transfer and throw. Posey, on the other hand, caught the ball, backed into a half rock step and threw with only a fraction of his total arm stregth. The throws to second, while not ducks, were definitely not lasers either. As a comparison, Posey's throw to second in between innings were lasers since he had all the time in the world to get his lower half in proper position.
  • His game calling seems a bit suspect. Waldis Joaquin was pitching today (The real deal, btw. 90-95 with little effort. Good slider. Average/fringe changeup.) Joaquin got a lot of hitters in 0-2 and 1-2 counts. Posey called high fastballs a few times, but kept setting the target at the bottom of the letters. Usually, the point is to go above the letters. Make the fastball look fat, but put it in a spot that is tough to do something with. Most hitters can kill a fastball at the bottom part of the letters. Luckily Waldis' fastball is good enough where the batter only fouled off the offering. Also, it seemed like Posey hardly called sliders on two strike counts, probably because of the blocking issue.

While I get that it is early and Posey is probably two to three years away from the show, I find it hard to believe that he is this far behind. He needs a ton of instruction on the basics. I honestly think that Posey might be better for a corner infield spot.

I do have some understanding of issue here. I caught for 4 years in high school and still play hardball in a wood bat league. Posey's best skill right now is pure arm strength and framing pitches. Everything else below average. Especially since this kid signed for $6.2M.

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Hm. Every single report I’ve heard from professional scouts say that he’s an outstanding defender. Baseball America did as well.

Also, keep in mind that Posey’s new to catching and is just learning how to call games. You’re being really rough on the kid. You can’t just say “Posey won’t stick at catcher” because you saw him play one game.

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by JT Jordan on Nov 2, 2008 10:40 PM PST reply actions  

It's not just one poster looking at one game

The Giants even recalled him from the Hawaii League for a couple weeks specifically to work on his godawful catching. It’s looking like the pre-draft reports were erroneous.

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by Bhaakon on Nov 2, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

And so

this means he won’t stick at Catcher?

The kid needs refinement. He doesn’t need to be moved off of the position.

I’m not sure if Posey was recalled from Hawaii to work specifically on his defense. The only thing I remember was that it had to do with his lack of playing time.

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by JT Jordan on Nov 2, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Hm. Every single report I’ve heard from professional scouts say that he’s an outstanding defender. Baseball America did as well.

Really? Most of the reports I’ve read had him at average now, with potential for improvement.

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by Cookyman on Nov 3, 2008 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Most reports that I remember reading praised his arm strength — closer for his team, etc. — and the quickness at which he picked up catching. I wouldn’t feel bad about calling him an average to above average defensive catcher when he was in college.

Also, for what it’s worth, I think people are putting way too much stock into how Posey is doing in a handful of games at the end of the year. I’m the last person to make excuses but I just can’t get too pumped up or let down by winter ball stats.

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by xanthan on Nov 3, 2008 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree, in principle — but he has been really, really bad. Do major-league-caliber catchers ever go through a stretch of seven passed balls in seven games or whatever it is?

The other thing that bothers me is that good defensive catchers have to really, really want to be good defensive catchers. It’s such a lot of work — unfun, unglamorous work. Whereas Posey moved behind the plate on a lark, more or less. Perhaps he just doesn’t think of himself as a catcher.

by Evan on Nov 3, 2008 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t remember any MLB’ers gonig through a passed ball streak like that, but I can see where it would happen. Especially for a catcher who’s fairly new to the position, and has probably played FAR more innings this year than he ever has before. I’m sure he’s dragging a little, especially mentally.

by tyrannoman on Nov 3, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see why he would necessarily be dragging — I’d guess he’s played far less this summer than he has in summers past. Basically since the end of the College World Series in June he’s been involved in about 25 games (with several of those being as a DH), all of them coming after about a 2 month layoff in the middle of the summer. If he had spent the summer playing in the Cape Cod League and then returned to school for Fall practices and scrimmages, I don’t see how he would have played any less than he has the last 5 months.

As for reports on his D, Sabean was pretty adamant that it was Jack Hiatt’s rave reviews on his abilities behind the plate that convinced them to make the pick, much more so than his bat. Hiatt’s a pretty old school, get down there and block it catcher, so I’d think his view would be more important than a few games in Hawaii in the winter, but as Evan says below it is slightly concerning from the perspective of the extraordinary work ethic it takes to be a good defensive catcher. And I guess it’s not completely irrelevant that Jackson Williams, who was drafted entirely on the basis of his defensive reputation, has had a lot of problems with PB as a pro as well — the speed of the pro game (all pro games) is really a pretty incredible thing. Posey’s a good enough athlete that he should catch back up to it once the Hawaiian sojourn’s over, hopefully.

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by Roger on Nov 3, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice post

I think this captures best the situation of what I’ve ready down to here.

The pro game is different from college. For one, how many quality sliders did he see in college? And the speed of the game is reportedly much different. And that makes sense, there are few players in history, even from the college ranks, who make the majors straight out of school, less than a handful probably during the draft era, there is a need for adjustment no matter who it is.

And per the point above, Posey was never said to be ready defensively for the majors right now but with his athleticism the experts thought he should be fine. In time.

Here is what Mayo of MiLB noted: “He shows a decent arm in practice, but it doesn’t play as average in the game.” “Fielding: Orginally a shortstop, he’s a little behind in things like shifting behind the plate.” “Range: He does have quick footwork and should improve in this area the more he catches.” “Weaknesses: He’s got a lack of experience behind the plate. He just needs to catch more to learn the nuances of the position.” “College catchers who can stay at the position and can hit are always a hot commodity and Posey will be no exception. He’s got a great approach with the bat and has a little power. As a converted shortstop, he’s still a little raw behind the plate, but all the tools are there for him to be just fine and help ensure he gets drafted fairly early.” So he’s clearly not a finished product even when we drafted him, though I understand, as Roger noted, that the passed balls are disconcerting.

Regarding dedication to his craft and taking the position as a lark, he was not that highly regarded coming into the season, certainly not Top 5, maybe Top 20-30, so for him to put up the numbers he did, I think it would have taken a lot of dedication to reach that high a performance level from where he was before. And dedication in the first place to play a full season as catcher, I cannot imagine that he just had the aptitude to catch and slide into the role easily, he must have taken a lot of time to do as well as he did catching in college.

Baggerly noted that Decker might end up at AA, so I can see Posey jumping to AA and getting personal tutoring with Decker much like Sandoval in 2007-8.

I would much rather see the Giants hire a former MLB good defensive catcher full-time to live with and mentor Posey, how much could a full-time instructor cost in the minors, particularly relative to the $6.2M investment the Giants just made in Posey. This is one area I would like to see Neukom make a change, give the “annointed ones” special treatment, much like Villalona probably got special treatment given his age and newness to our culture.

Also, this is Posey’s first time travelling to Hawaii, I wouldn’t blame him if he’s a bit, um, distracted right now in the land of paradise. He’s young, he just came into a lot of money, he’s good looking, I just have to think that he’s probably enjoying himself a bit more than he should be. I’ll start worrying if he’s still like this by mid-season 2009.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 3, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Watheny!

I wonder how he’s doing now anyway. He’d probably go back to the cardinals organization though.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 3, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

What I’m thinking, and I freely admit I could be WAY off base here, is that he was in the CWS, was drafted very highly and signed a huge bonus, got to hit with a wood bat for the first time, and now his mind and body are used to shutting down baseball activities for the next couple of months, before ramping up for the college season. It’s a wild year for Buster, and I would think that could be a little draining.

by tyrannoman on Nov 4, 2008 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

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by JT Jordan on Nov 4, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Do major-league-caliber catchers ever go through a stretch of seven passed balls in seven games or whatever it is?

Maybe, but probably not. But, the caveat with Posey is that he’s not a major league caliber player right now. He’s got room to grow and get better. Despite most everyone tabbing him as a fast-mover and a “safe pick” he’s not ready for the majors right-this-second. I can’t think of many draft picks that are ready for the majors immediately after getting drafted.

The other thing that bothers me is that good defensive catchers have to really, really want to be good defensive catchers. It’s such a lot of work — unfun, unglamorous work. Whereas Posey moved behind the plate on a lark, more or less. Perhaps he just doesn’t think of himself as a catcher.

Perhaps, but I think I’ve read quotes from Posey that say he enjoys the position. Whether or not he truly likes it or not, none of us can really know right now. So, I won’t speculate on that. I’

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by xanthan on Nov 3, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

The tail end of my comment got cut-off:

I will say that I think a lot of Giants fans expect a Lincecum-like ascent to the majors (ie: making it up by next year) and I think that’s very unfair. Lincecum is the exception to the rule, not the rule himself.

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by xanthan on Nov 3, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I think in general, the poor state of the major league club is leading to a lot of fantasy wish-fulfillment expectations placed upon the prospects (of course the 2008 roster management did nothing to dampen those expectations either). Buster zipping to the majors in a year is one of the less egregious actually. Gillaspie being a 20+ HR hitter in the majors in 2010/11 (as I saw on a recent fanpost) would be a much more extreme example. Buster rapidly ascending to the majors as a SS, etc. There’s a lot of desparation-tinged mania floating about the site these days.

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by Roger on Nov 3, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

The thing this bother me about his (lack of) catching

If that I’d rather have him focusing on his hitting than his defense at this point. If he really as bad as he seems, it’s going to take a whole lot of work to get up to an acceptable level, work that won’t be spent on his hitting.

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by Bhaakon on Nov 3, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you have to put stats in perspective though, for example of those seven passed balls, 4 of them were from the same pitcher, Brackman. I’m sure Posey hasn’t caught much from 6’10 pitchers who are as wild as he is. It’s worth noting that he had three wild pitches the other day and another of the catchers who has caught for him also gave up multiple passed balls. The other three passed balls came in one appearance, although i don’t know much about the Japanese left hander who was throwing that day.

That’s not to say that Posey’s defence doesn’t need work, but i’m not going to get worked up by how many passed balls he gives up in a handful of appearances in Winter League.

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by GiantFan on Nov 3, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

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by i did my job on Nov 2, 2008 10:41 PM PST reply actions  

Joaquin hasn’t impressed me this year, especially in the HWB. I know a few people here have clued me in about the winter leagues being hitters leagues, but still. I’m not ready to write Waldis off just yet, but I’m not exactly on board with him either.

re: Gerald, I have to agree with the comments. It’s way too early to say anything decisive about him either way. I do like that we’re getting a different perspective and I’ll be watching to see if these problems persist with him. It’s just not alarming enough for me to think Busty’s doomed at catcher.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 2, 2008 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

The interesting thing is that this won't matter much if he can man a 3b SS or 2b position.

It seems as if his bat will play anywhere in the infield. Let Pablo catch.

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by camwoody on Nov 2, 2008 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

His bat looks a year away if not ML-ready right now

Should he get a chance to win the 2B job in spring? I don’t see why not.

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by BawLa on Nov 3, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

3B please

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by j14 on Nov 3, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

only if neccessary

I’d rather have a more powerful bat at 3B

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by BawLa on Nov 3, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

his bat is not that powerful, unfortunately

I’ve been seeing predictions of 10-15 maybe, eventually. Mayo/MiLB: “Power: He’s mostly gap-to-gap, but he shows occasional power to the pull side. He could develop into a 10-15 homer kind of guy.”

2B and SS, plus CF, much like Biggio, are the positions where his hitting could play. If he were Weiters, then maybe he could play the corners, but Weiters was considered a possible 1B even when drafted as C. Posey is considered likely to figure out catching at the MLB level.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 3, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Weiters

While there are some who always doubt the ablity of tall catchers to stay at catcher because of the demands on the knees, it should be noted that Weiters is regarded as an excellent major league ready defensive catcher right now. Any suggestions of moving him off the position are a result of fear of losing his bat to injury rather than any perceived defensive shortcomings.

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by Roger on Nov 3, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Defense

The fundamentals of catching/blocking and game-calling can be taught. (Posada?)

Arm Strength can’t.

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by Azantor on Nov 3, 2008 12:19 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah

He should buy that catcher video advertised at the top. He could get it on DVD and everything. $19.95 + S/H

by thethrill22 on Nov 3, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, Wendell Fairley is a bust, and Cain will never amount to anything.

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by Natto on Nov 3, 2008 12:22 AM PST reply actions  

One out of two

Very good, Natto!

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by Lyle on Nov 3, 2008 5:49 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s what I’ve been saying since we drafted him…..

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by Lyle on Nov 3, 2008 5:50 AM PST up reply actions  

2009 is too early

Like BMoney and others have said, if a catcher can hit well they will move him to another position. With Sandoval and Posey both being very versatile SF should have many options.

by wilriv21 on Nov 3, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

given baggarly’s reports that the giants will probably send decker to AA and posey with him, i’m not too terribly concerned. there was a lot of scouting work done on posey before the draft and the worst thing anyone could say about him seemed to be that he might not ever develop ML power. I guess I’ll take the observations garnered from a couple of years of college scouting over a few weeks in hawaii.

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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 3, 2008 1:02 AM PST reply actions  

If I were going to lose sleep over anything....

It would be due to his strikeout total in the HWB.
With that said, I will not lose any sleep over the performance of Buster because he has been hitting like a maniac.
I trust Decker will help him improve on his catching prowess.
Although I appreciate the front line opinion I think it is a bit rash to claim he is moving off the position based on one day’s viewing.

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by fanofvanlandingham on Nov 3, 2008 3:55 AM PST reply actions  

blasphemer!

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by jasomack on Nov 3, 2008 4:13 AM PST reply actions  

Rusty, thanks very much for the on-the-spot report. Keep it up!

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by Lyle on Nov 3, 2008 5:51 AM PST reply actions  

Didn't he just...

..get converted to catcher two years ago? Reaching across ones body to catch a ball is not a limitation, it’s a correctable habit. Pitch calling and target placement are learned skills. If this were a, “doesn’t look like he has the athletism” scouting report, I may be concerned.

Of course, I’ve never been under the impression that was less than two years away, so it’s no cliche in my paradox.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Nov 3, 2008 6:24 AM PST reply actions  

It’s way too early to be concerned about his catching ability. He has all the tools to be a good catcher and at this point, that’s all that matters. He’ll learn and he’ll get better. As for his pitch calling, it takes years even at the big league level before you become good at that. Pudge Rodriguez was winning Gold Gloves while pitchers were complaining about his pitch calling.

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by rxmeister on Nov 3, 2008 6:34 AM PST reply actions  

Is there where I freakout?!

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by xanthan on Nov 3, 2008 7:00 AM PST reply actions  

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by WalrusMan on Nov 3, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve always liked Posey as a SS/3B and Pablito as our main catcher anyway.

by Change Up on Nov 3, 2008 7:25 AM PST reply actions  

Yikes. Thanks for the report.

I still think Posey’s much more likely to be a catcher than a shortstop. Players with the ability to play short in the majors are superstar defenders in college. They don’t get moved off the position, period. He’ll play third if he can’t stick behind the plate.

by Evan on Nov 3, 2008 7:46 AM PST reply actions  

Possibles

Possible future third basemen for the Giants might include Conor Gillaspie, Pablo Sandoval, Angel Villalona and/or Buster Posey.

by sharksrog on Nov 3, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not worried about him learning the position eventually...

But the real question is, do we want to wait for him to learn C when his bat may be ready now or soon? I don’t think so. We have enough open spots in the infield that we can get him up sooner than later.

Another way to look at it is where do we have more value?

Posey at C, Sandoval at 1B or 3B

or

Sandoval at C, Posey at SS or 2B

I think it is fairly obvious that we would get more value out of the latter. If we didn’t have Sandoval I would say let’s wait, but we do. Both of their bats would play well at those positions and we could keep the corners open for some serious power.

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by BawLa on Nov 3, 2008 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

With Decker and Posey at AA to start the year,

let’s allow at least one season for Decker to work with Buster on the basics. I don’t think anyone should get too worked up now, but Rusty’s reporting here is very important and something we should keep in the back of our minds.

It’s not like Buster’s been a catcher since early high school, but it’s also true that 1) the Giants invested over $6 million in their catcher of the future; 2) this isn’t the first report we’ve had that his fundamentals need work; and 3) they have other options behind the dish that allow Buster to use that cannon for an arm elsewhere.

If after a season of working with Decker at AA it appears that Posey would still be 2-3 years away from being ready at catcher, the Giants can still pivot and consider moving Posey and his bat/arm to 3B or even SS. It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world for the 2011 Giants to have Pablo at C, Posey at 3B, and Villalona at 1B, with Crawford at SS and Gillaspie at 2B should they work out. And that still leaves Noonan, Velez, Frandsen, Ishi, and Burriss out there as well.

What the uncertainty does do however is put a crimp in the team’s FA and trading plans, if there is any chance at all that Buster is slated for something other than C.

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by Buck Henry on Nov 3, 2008 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

Perspective

This has been a good topic, and I’m glad the original poster shared his concerns with us. It was only one game, but he certainly was where the action is, whereas we are not.

I think our good friend Buck Henry here has put a nice perspective on things. I expected Buster to start the season at AA, and I had forgotten that Steve Decker had been promoted there. That is perfect timing. Remember that Pablo Sandoval was held back at San Jose last season as long as he was because the Giants were more concerned that he develop his catching skills than that he work on his hitting skills.

Yes, there may be concerns. We seem to be getting conflicting concerns about where Buster’s catching stands. I think he has seven passed balls, two of them coming in his first game back after supposedly working on that skill (and probably others) in Arizona. I’m wondering if many of these passed balls aren’t coming from being crossed up. He had only two at Florida State last season.

As a collegian he also did a good job of throwing out runners. I forgot his percentage, but it wasn’t anything to worry about.

Buster has been catching only two seasons, so one would assume he hasn’t perfected the position yet. Some here, including Lyle — whose opinion I respect immensely — believe Buster will move back to his former position of shortstop. I’m dubious about that, since Buster seems to have only average foot speed. I realize not every shorstop is fast, and Buster’s strong arm can certainly help him overcome other difficulties.

But I see Buster’s greatest value in his being able to play other positions as well as catch. I see him and Pablo sharing the catching position, taking advantage of their versatility on other days. Pablo has shown us he can play first base, and he may be able to play third at least acceptably. None other than that noted scout Tim Lincecum said he would like to see Pablo in the outfield.

If Buster doesn’t make it as a catcher, perhaps he will indeed wind up at shortstop. If he can handle the position defensively, his bat would certainly play well there. Shortstop is a position where the Giants have Emmanuel Burriss and pretty much no one else. Not only that, but it appears that Manny’s best defensive position might be second base.

I wouldn’t rule Buster out as the future Giants shortstop, but when if he can play shortstop, he can play perhaps the two positions where bat expectations are lowest. Hopefully Buster will hit well enough to play virtually any position on the field (and he has shown, literally, that he can play any of them defensively). If he can play either position or both, his bat should really stand out.

I think he is more likely to flourish defensively at catcher than shortstop. Then again, I’ve never seen Buster play shortstop. But I’m kind of envisioning Buster as a potential catcher/super utilityman. I could see him playing catcher half the time and almost any one of the other positions the other half. I suspect Buster will settle on one, two or possibly three positions. But I see tremendous value in his being able to give virtually any player on the field a day of rest if needed. I see him as a player who can move around almost anywhere if a double switch or defensive replacement is needed.

This is something I am visualizing that may not be the least bit practical. I guess the first step is to see if he can catch, which I most definitely believe he can. Maybe he can play shorstop, although frankly I don’t see him as an everyday shortstop based on his lack of foot speed. He runs like a catcher. Like a fast catcher, but like a catcher. I don’t think he is as fast as Sandoval. Obviously he is immensely faster than Bengie Molina.

I guess what I’m suggesting is that we not get overly excited, but instead wait to see how Buster progresses as a backstop. If he doesn’t make it there, he might be able to learn to play any of seven other positions (although I don’t think he would work in the eighth, since despite his strong arm, he just doesn’t look like a closer to me).

The Giants are presently blessed with two developing catchers who have the speed, agility and versatility to play other positions. I’m hoping that leads to a situation where both can take advantage of that versatility in order to limit their games behind the plate and hopefully keep their legs strong and extend their careers.

When Buster catches, his bat would seem to play very, very well there. When Pablo plays, he provides on of the few lefty bats behind the plate — AND he can switch hit. He does need considerable work as a right-handed hitter.

Buster and Pablo could arguably form one of the best tandems behind the plate since Yogi Berra and Elston Howard. At the other extreme, it could wind up that NEITHER player catches and instead plays another position or positions. But, wow, what an exciting proposition! This is even more exciting than having Guillermo Rodriguez behind the plate. :)

by sharksrog on Nov 3, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep..

I figured this would be sharksrog

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by WalrusMan on Nov 3, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

What tipped you off?

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Nov 3, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Crossed up and wild pitches

I think here may be something to your comment about “getting crossed up”, maybe there is some sign confusion with a bunch of pitchers and three catchers not knowing each other long.

The OP noted that “The second one got past him — going to his left about three feet — for the game tying run.” Three feet? Is this a passed ball or a wild pitch? Reaching across his body is a worrying habit and not text-book, but maybe there are some WP counting as PBs here.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Nov 3, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The one concern I have with jerking Posey around from C to IF is Brandon Inge. Sure, the guy can play anywhere, but he had his better seasons when he had only one position to worry about, and is now a 31 year-old with a bad contract and a .237/.304/.392 career line with 96 homers.

Sure, it’d be nifty to have interchangeable parts and swap Posey and Sandoval around, but at a certain point we have to start thinking about where Big V fits in here. Assuming that AnVil is pretty much done with 3B and will assume 1B in a few years when he’s ready, I’d say that it sounds more appealing to have Sandoval work everyday at 3B, and Posey at C, and not the other way.

However, the potential adventures that Pablito’s could bless us with while running around LF sound quite entertaining (and maybe frustrating).

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by Azantor on Nov 3, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post!

I totally agree about the flexibility possibilities that Posey and Pablo could provide. Sabean loves having such flexibility in the roster, particularly since we carry so many pitchers on the roster, which severely limits the bench.

It has also been my supposition (and I think my research showed this) that the reason the AL has shown great superiority over the NL has been mostly because of the DH advantage, because their disadvantage of having their pitchers hit when they don’t regularly hit is nothing like the disadvantage of the DH hitting, some on par with 1B, while the NL teams normally have a replacement level player DHing. An NL team with a super-utility player who get regular AB across the diamond won’t be disadvantaged in the World Series then, as the team would have 9 MLB quality hitters to fill all the lineup spots.

If Posey and/or Pablo can do that for us, we would be able to field a competent DH should we ever make the World Series in the coming years.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 3, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you saying?

Are you saying that Brian’s perfect team would be eight fully-interchangeable position players and 17 pitchers? :)

by sharksrog on Nov 4, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

HMMM

SS, C, 3B, 1B, OF… No plate disipline… He’s the next Pedro Feliz!

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by zenbitz on Nov 4, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I had some salt...

but your post still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Probably give the guy a year to see if he can turn it around. If he could play a credible SS, I would be more than happy.

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by zenbitz on Nov 3, 2008 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 3, 2008 12:06 PM PST reply actions  

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Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 3, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Or the Nutty Buddy.

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by JT Jordan on Nov 3, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

So?

He’s fresh out of college, new to pro ball, fairly new to catcher, and in Hawaii, where it is presumably fucking hot. It’s also been like a month. He’s got a few years to work on his catching if he really needs it, and even if he doesn’t pan out as a catcher, he’s gonna be a decent hitter. He can play at a different position.

by boonitez on Nov 3, 2008 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

oh yeah...

good point. Still, all the other points stand. And also maybe he’s partying too hard and it’s effecting his play. That Buster loves to party…

by boonitez on Nov 4, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Not partying alone...

His girlfriend is here with him and she’s carrying two huge rocks. Must be 4+ carats each. BTW, the weather here is in the low 80’s with a nice breeze.

by Rusty the Robot on Nov 4, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

well there ya go

He’s clearly not getting enough sleep.

by boonitez on Nov 4, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Does Buster know you’re admiring her rocks?

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope ther’re igneous! That would be hot.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 4, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah..

Sedimentary. Imagine if they were all stratified!

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by WalrusMan on Nov 5, 2008 6:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes it would.

It would also be gneiss.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 5, 2008 6:29 AM PST up reply actions  

You don't want to..

Take things for granite.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 5, 2008 6:29 AM PST up reply actions  

“Where’s your credibility?”

by faust10 on Nov 4, 2008 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

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