McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List: #10
by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 4:37 PM PST
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I forgot to mention originally, this poll will end at 5 PM on Friday.
1. SP Madison Bumgarner
2. "C" Buster Posey
3. SP Tim Alderson
4. 1B Angel Villalona
5. 2B Nick Noonan
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie
7. SP Henry Sosa
8. OF Rafael Rodriguez
9. OF Roger Kieschnick
Ehire Adrianza, SS, 19 - Hit .241/.351/.325 in 2007 over 249 AB in the DSL with 41 BB and 37 K. Hit .288/.382/.409 in 2008 over 66 AB, mostly in Rookie Ball with 9 BB and 6 K. He is an excellent defensive SS and scouts love him.
Scott Barnes, LHP, 21 - Pitched 90.1 innings at St. John's in 2008 with 90 K, 45 BB, 3 HR, 1.26 WHIP, and 3.69 ERA as a junior. Pitched 43.2 innings in the minors in 2008, mostly at A-Ball Augusta, with 63 K, 12 BB, 0 HR, 0.67 WHIP, 1.38 ERA, and ~40% groundball rate. He throws a high 80's, low 90's fastball, a slider, and a change.
Brandon Crawford, SS, 21 - Drafted 2008, #117 overall. Hit .335/.404/.504 over 248 AB with 25 BB and 58 K his sophmore year of college at UCLA in 2007. Hit .302/.394/.491 over 232 AB with 31 BB and 59 K his junior year. He is another toolsy player considered to have not broken out yet.
Travis Ishikawa, 1B, 25 - Drafted 2002, #637 overall. Hit .260/.355/.454 over ~2500 AB in the minors across all levels. Broke out in 2008 with a .291/.382/.462 line in AA and a .310/.370/.737 line in AAA before hitting .274/.337/.432 in the majors. He is also a great defensive firstbaseman.
Wendell Fairley, OF, 20 - Drafted 2007, #29 overall. Hit .259/.388/.337 over 193 AB in Rookie Ball in 2008 with 26 BB and 37 K. He has incredible tools with plus raw power and great speed.
Joseph Martinez, SP, 25 - Drafted 2005, #372 overall. Has thrown 547.2 innings in his 4 years of pro ball with an ERA of 3.40 and 1.17 WHIP. Last season in AA he threw 148 innings with 131 H, 6 HR 37 BB 112 K for an ERA of 2.49 and 1.14 WHIP with a 57% groundball rate. More of a finesse pitcher than anything, but has continued to post good stats as he moves up in levels.
Osiris Matos, RP, 24 - Signed as an undrafted free agent in 2002. Started his career as a starter and was converted to a reliever in 2006. Last year in the majors his threw 20.2 innings and had a 4.79 ERA with a 1.69 WHIP, but in 36.2 innings in AA this year had a 1.23 ERA and a 0.98 WHIP.
Kevin Pucetas, RHP, 23 - Drafted 2006, #506 overall. Over three seasons has thrown 342.2 IP, 300 H, 267 K, 69 BB, 17 HR, 1.08 WHIP, 2.47 ERA, and ~53% groundball rate across the three levels of A-ball. In 2008 threw 125.1 IP, 115 H, 102 K, 27 BB, 6 HR, 1.13 WHIP, 3.02 ERA, and a 51% groundball rate in High-A. He throws a high 80's, low 90's fastball, a fantastic change, a curve, and an in-progress slider.
Ryan Rohlinger, 3B/2B?, 25 - Drafted 2006, #176 overall. Has played 3B in the minors but is being considered for 2B it seems. Hit .235/.332/.415 in his first full season with 18 HR in the SAL league. Hit for a better average last year in San Jose at .285/.368/.419 and posted a .855 OPS in a short AA trial before being called up to the big leagues to sit on the bench. He's got good patience but probably not the power to stick at third.
Clayton Tanner, LHP, 20 - Drafted 2006, #89 overall. Over three seasons has thrown 278.1 IP, 288 H, 213 K, 91 BB, 7 HR, 1.36 WHIP, 3.62 ERA, and ~56% groundball rate across the three levels of A-ball. In 2008 threw 117.0 IP, 124 H, 84 K, 39 BB, 1 HR, 1.39 WHIP, 3.69 ERA, and a 55% groundball rate in High-A. He throws a fastball, breaking ball, and change.
Testers: Justin Hedrick, Brian Anderson, Thomas Neal, EME, Matt Downs, Aaron King, Ben Snyder, Ben Copeland
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I have to go with Pucetas here.
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Nov 19, 2008 4:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kevin
I was glad to see the prospects up for #9 and now #10. I had forgotten about Adrianza. And the support for Kevin Pucetas forced me to look at how much better he had pitched than the much younger Clayton Tanner.
For me, this one is a tough call, so allow me to show some key numbers from last season and see what others think. Obviously there is no absolutely correct answer here, but I think one might be able to come up with EITHER one as the better prospect, depending on how that person values different things:
Pucetas Tanner
W-L 10-2 10-8
ERA 3.02 3.69
Innings per start 5.22 4.88
Batting Average against .247 .274
H/9 8.26 9.54
BB/9 1.99 3.00
K/9 7.32 6.46
K/BB 3.68 2.15
WHIP 1.14 1.39
GO/AO 1.25 1.74
Age EOY 24 21
For me, it’s not too close until the last two numbers. Then it becomes kind of murky. How do the rest of you see it?
by sharksrog on Nov 19, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My reason for voting for Pucetas is it seems to me that his numbers look pretty darn good, granted he is 24 and getting older daily, but I like him, and the better he looks to other teams the better, maybe we can trade him for high value since I dont see him as an integral cog in the Giants winning machine. I like Tanner, I like TI, I like Marinez but of all of them I see Pucetas as being more valuable right now, and there fore a better prospect. more valuable = more tradeable for me in this situation.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Nov 19, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I kind of like your idea that a higher-rated prospect should bring more in trade. I evaluate a prospect based on ceiling and the likelihood of reaching or approaching it, but if I have done my calculation right, the player I choose should indeed have the higher trade value.
But since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it is possible the trade value I would assign a player might be higher or lower than that which you (or someone else) would assign.
by sharksrog on Nov 20, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Age and GO/AO
They put some points in the Tanner column, but the rest leans Pucetas. and P’s GO/AO 1.25 ain’t ugly, nor is his age. I see Pucetas as a possibly decent ML starter in two years age 26. Tanner needs more seasoning now, but he still has a few years to burn.
I think we need to see Pucetas in hitter friendly AAA. I doubt we’ll see much besides park effects in AA.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
by kennv on Nov 20, 2008 6:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me the young SS who needs a nickname (Ehire Adrianza).
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 19, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uribe Adrianza?
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by Takimoto on Nov 19, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yo Adrianza?
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on Nov 20, 2008 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this one.
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Nov 20, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I go with Mr. Wendell "Ceiling" Fairley
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on Nov 19, 2008 4:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad choice
Wendell didn’t have a great season, particularly for the Rookie League by an older (20) rookie, but he did show an ability to take a walk and improved his batting average by 40 points a month over the short season. He has a nice swing and is seen somewhat as a younger Fred Lewis with perhaps a bit more upside.
by sharksrog on Nov 19, 2008 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Fairley last time but jumped ship to Ishikawa here, because I prefer Ishikawa to Pucetas.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2008 4:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's time for Ishikawa.
My case:
1. Despite his spotty track record, he’s got the deadly power and patience combination, and he does have some upside.
2. His 2008 translated line from Fresno: .283 /.339/ .659 and Conn:.291 .382 .462.
3. He didn’t embarrass himself in the majors last year.
4. Scouts love his D. SCOUTS!
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 4:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tanner
I’ve heard his stuff is good, but the knock on him is that his fastball just touches 90. The good thing is that he is young enough that he could add a few MPHs. Also remember his stats are against people who are on average 3 years older than him. That is like me and you being a Freshman going against Varsity players. He should be given some slack to develop.
by nelson95 on Nov 20, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I’ve only seen Tanner pitch three times, but he certainly never sniffed 90 in any of those performances. Topped out around 87 and pitched more frequently around 85/86. Fairly slurvy breaking stuff, too. Personally I’ve been highly unimpressed by him in person.
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by Roger on Nov 20, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The one good thing
The one good think about Clayton Tanner — aside from his age — is that he throws lots of ground balls. Sometimes that can keep a pitcher from becoming ground chuck.
by sharksrog on Nov 20, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to break it
I hate to break it to you, but I believe Tim Alderson usually throws 91-92 and rarely goes above 92. That said, it is Tim’s curve and his poise and control that stand him in best stead.
I think the key to his reaching the majors is developing confidence in his change up. It doesn’t look bad to me, but he scarcely uses it, apparently either not feeling he needs to or not having confidence in the pitch.
by sharksrog on Nov 20, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t think Fresno gets translated enough. Guys go there, hit tons of HRs, and it never seems to translate right.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Who are you thinking of besides Todd Linden?
by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ishikawa, Ransom, Niekro.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, technically Ishikawa hasn’t proven anything yet that about his “true” major-league ability, but clearly his Fresno numbers were somewhat fluky. Even in the PCL, no one slugs .737.
Cody Ransom has more than lived up to his AAA power numbers. He spent a lot of time in Fresno and averaged (I’m guesstimating here) around 18-20 hr per 500 at-bats. In the majors, he has hit 7 in 183.
Same for Niekro. Doesn’t 17 home runs in 500 major-league at-bats seem about right, given what he did at Fresno?
by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, didn’t they get a new stadium in Fresno? Is the new one as much of a launching pad as the old one?
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Nov 19, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, it was sort of an off the cuff remark by me. I just feel like the HRs aren’t discounted enough.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There have been a few high-profile lines — Linden’s .682 slugging in 2005, Niekro’s .660 in 2006 — but they almost all look fluky when you consider them the context of the player’s AAA performance before and after. It’s a sample-size problem, not a MLE translation problem.
by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably. Anecdotally (read: worthlessly), it always seems to happen Fresno.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, that’s his actual Connecticut line, not translated.
The .274/.337/.432 he hit in the majors is just about what I expect from him. With good defense and a vague shot at getting better, that’s acceptable.
by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you just look at his MLE vs. RHP, which is likely given Phelps’ presence, his Connecticut numbers translate to.273/.351/.448. If you look at his MLE vs. RHP from his overall 2008 numbers, it’s .279/.341/.536. I think we would all be ecstatic if he hit that. I’m still pretty skeptical.
I voted for Crawford, BTW.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a natural platoon, but are the Giants smart enough to set it up and stick with it all year? I doubt it. Somebody will win the job with a hot streak, the other guy will get Fresno’d, the first guy will naturally tail off, and we’ll end the season having learned nothing.
by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Evan
So you’re saying the Giants really don’t know how to manage a roster? Yes, I believe you are saying that.
And I agree.
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by Lyle on Nov 20, 2008 6:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ishikawa
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Nov 19, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wendell… i’m liking the athleticism and the improving plate discipline.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 19, 2008 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Little help please
What’s the difference between Pucetas and Martinez, other than a 1 year difference in age vs. level?
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 5:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been wondering about that myself. Can we get a SCOUTS report?
by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez is better.
- no bias
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this
Also no bias.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 19, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SOOOOOO
43 votes and zero defense?
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adrianza
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Nov 19, 2008 5:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
EME
Write-in: Eddy Martinez-Esteve
One of the top hitters in the organization deserves a spot in the Top 10. EME improved and produced at AA in 2008. Early in 2008 EME was hitting weak ground balls to second base or pop-ups to RF. As season progressed EME began to hit the ball back through the box. Later in summer he was pulling the ball much better. He is currently hitting well and spraying the ball to all fields for Carolina in the PRWL.
Expecting EME to have a 10yr ML career hitting .280+ driving the ball to all parts of the yard providing the Giants with another run producer.
by wilriv21 on Nov 19, 2008 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not feeling EME
I don’t think EME will ever be a productive ML hitter – at least not for a contending team.
He might be the kind of hitter that KC or the Bucs find a spot for because he’s cheap. For me EME is barely > Horwitz.
by aGIANTfan on Nov 19, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
once upon a time EME had the homerunz and teh power.
For me, he and TI were in the same boat last season, show the promised power or lose top 20 prospect status. TI hit (finally) in Conn. and blew up AAA in hs brief stay there, and even had a few HRs in ML. He’s delivering on some of that promise he had when he was drafted. Before the dark ages, when he and EME took a couple years off. EME showed his ability to hit (singles) this season, but unless he finds his power stroke, and shows his shoulder is fully fit, for me EME < Horwitz, because of his D.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
by kennv on Nov 20, 2008 6:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, EME has hardly any value as a prospect, unless he can somehow recreate some power. I can’t think of many LF with bad defense & a below 400 SLG who make it to the majors.
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by GiantFan on Nov 20, 2008 6:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Adrianza and Barnes, but Ishikawa is just too close to the bigs to ignore. He also hammered the hell out of the ball this year.
I added up his minor-league transitions across Double-A and Triple-A earlier this year (Baseball Prospectus) and got something like .275/.345/.525. I don’t expect him to hit quite that well going forward, but you never know …
by Dan from NM on Nov 19, 2008 6:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WHERES WENDELL
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by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's..
The 5th option…
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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AT BEST!
I’m new here, did I do that right?
Me lose brain? Uh oh.
by neurofarm on Nov 19, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely wasn’t any worse than anyone else’s efforts.
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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like quite a few prospects more
but I had to go with Ishikawa here simply because the others may never see the majors, whereas Ishi could be our starter at 1st next year depending on free agency and spring training
Olma Rosario; liking the cut of your jib since 2008
Free Angel Joseph from US immigration!
by Mr Scruff on Nov 19, 2008 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Ben Badler from Baseball America had this to say in an e-mail:
You probably already know this having read our AZL scouting report on Adrianza, but right now he stands out more for his fielding than for his hitting. The range, the hands and the key first-step quickness is all there for Adrianza already. He still has to make improvements in the field just like any player who is in the AZL, but he has a very strong defensive skill set. He’s a little less refined at the plate, but one thing he does have is a good feel for is the strike zone. One scout I talked to said he thought he drops his hands, which could inhibit his ability to make contact at higher levels, but so far he’s shown the ability to put the ball in play at a high frequency and he has good bat speed. He runs well but his power is below-average.
At first, I thought No. 10 seemed a little high to me. But I looked at my own Giants depth chart and realized that the system falls off a bit after the first eight or so guys (although that top four is pretty darn good). So I can see the argument for putting Adrianza in the top 10, though I’d probably have him on the periphery of the top 10. There are a lot of great glove, questionable bat shortstops who have some offensive skills like Adrianza in the minors every year. Throw enough guys like that against the wall and a few of them will stick, like Jason Bartlett. Others will barely make it to Triple-A.
by Grant on Nov 19, 2008 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Crawford might have to go above Adrianza based on those observations
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by Mr Scruff on Nov 19, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, Crawford sounds much the same to me, but a little older and thus a little less likely to figure out how to hit. PG Crosschecker:
Crawford continued to tease scouts with his first-round tools, but didn’t perform like a first-rounder most of the 2008 season. He hit a modest .288-5-39 for an underachieving UCLA team and struck out at a high rate (54 times in 198 at-bats). His bat remains his biggest question mark. He swings and misses too often, particularly when he chases off-speed pitches. He has poor pitch recognition and is prone to being too pull-conscious.
by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think so. Crawford is toolsy, but he’s also older and hasn’t figured it all out yet.
by Dan from NM on Nov 19, 2008 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly think so. Adrianza will be lucky to be what Crawford is in 2 years.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s hope Adrianza isn’t like Crawford in two years.
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by Lyle on Nov 20, 2008 6:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT HE PLAYED IN AAA
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by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one thing he does have is a good feel for the strike zone
Sold.
by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. He seems like a great guy to slot in around 10-12 in the system.
by Dan from NM on Nov 19, 2008 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Casilla
Wonder how Ben Badler feels about the #9 ranked Arizona Summer League prospect Jose Casilla? The younger brother of the A’s reliever Santiago Casilla has a mid 90s fastball and one scout I read reported that he was a better prospect than his older brother and is a starter. On the chat from the BA writeup someone asked a question about Jorge Bucardo as a prospect and the BA writer gave a pitcher ranking order of: Jose Casilla, Kyle Nicholson, Aaron King, Kelvin Marte, Javier Hernandez, and Jorge Burcardo. Since a lot of people are clammoring for Aaron King, I think Jose Casilla should be considered as a tester also.
by nelson95 on Nov 20, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what was HIS "name" before Santiago's fake ID got found out?
It’d sort of give the game away for your brother to have a different last name than you.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 27, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Casilla
Do tell. I have not heard the fake ID story.
by nelson95 on Nov 27, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He used to be known as Jairo Garcia, and was believed to be (3 years?) younger than he was
Check out his minor league stats. At the time, people thought his line in low-A ball was being posted by an 18-year old, which naturally made him a hot prospect.
Turns out he used the name of a friend of his and doctored his age as well.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 27, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wtf.
http://www.scottbarnes.com/scott_barnes_beauty.htm?userSpeed=High
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Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 7:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also, some portions of that site are a little NSFW, so tread lightly if you’re at work.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell by the URL that I’m in for some fun.
by Natto on Nov 19, 2008 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…userSpeed=High
Not fast enough…or perhaps not high enough.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 20, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow....
that was weird xanthan
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by baetown415 on Nov 19, 2008 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what.
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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What, you’re telling me you don’t want some body bling?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 19, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I told you that fastball was pretty.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Nov 20, 2008 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then Pucetas
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Nov 19, 2008 8:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
TI makes tenth best Giants prospect
Remains sexy while doing so.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 19, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stacks on Deck, Patron on Ice
I voted TI as well.
by rotorueter on Nov 20, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How long has it been...
Since they even made the TI-80? When I was in Algebra and the like I had to get a TI-83. Even now most schools are requiring at least the TI-84 instead of the 83. I’m really not quite sure why.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a TI-82 in my day (early 90’s)
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Nov 20, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my day…
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 20, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/joke about Delorean’s absence/lurkdom
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 20, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New Theory
Delorean = Paul Newman
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by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Delorean ate all those eggs?
That was awesome.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 20, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew he was old...
But that old?
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fairley
He’s really my number 9 (possibly 8) but ill vote for him here
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I’m on your side.
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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand going Pucetas over Ishikawa
Pucetas is a low-ceiling guy who’s not especially close to the majors. Ishikawa is close to the majors.
I’m voting for Travis until he wins, dammit.
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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 9:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
TI at #10 sounds about right. I’d rather go Tanner or Martinez over Pucetas.
by scotterduder on Nov 19, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted TI as well, I actually started voting him at #8. However, I would rank those three pitchers as:
1. Pucetas
2. Tanner
3. Martinez
Pucetas and Tanner could be solid #3’s while Martinez a 4 or 5 pitcher. Tanner may end up being the best of the bunch if he can add a tick or two to his fastball.
All in my opinion of course.
by Keenlow on Nov 19, 2008 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m really not getting all the Pucetas love around here. His K numbers are bad when you consider his age, and his HR/FB numbers are unsustainable. Ish wins both on ceiling and on likelihood of reaching the majors.
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by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, TI might be in the majors
But only because of a need at his position. I don’t think Pucetas is better, but not a good argument.
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by giants9107 on Nov 20, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was called up this year because he was raking at AA and AAA.
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by groug on Nov 20, 2008 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant likelihood of staying in the majors.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 21, 2008 3:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fairley
Went Fairley here, but it looks like it’s between Ishikawa & Pucetas & i’d go with TI is given the choice.
I’m not really understanding the Pucetas love, i mean i like him, but i’m not sure how he’s distanced himself so much from the various other pitchers. Barnes, King, Martinez, Tanner, etc, all seem of a similar level, yet have no love compared to Pucetas.
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by GiantFan on Nov 20, 2008 3:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering, and I’m sure someone has discussed this, but why did Adrianza have so few at-bats this summer?
by cornball on Nov 20, 2008 6:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Adrianza
Heard he broke his hand during the season on a play at second base.
by nelson95 on Nov 20, 2008 7:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...but he recovered
in time to be promoted to Salem-Keizer for the playoffs and he participated in the Fall Instructional league.
by nelson95 on Nov 20, 2008 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EME, J.Martinez, Copeland as Prospects
With the Rule 5 draft coming up, I think we get some insight on how the Giants value some of their own prospects. Last year at this time they added Denker, Bowker, Timpner, and Pichardo to the 40 man roster is order to keep them out of last year’s draft. Within the next couple of weeks they will probably add 3 or 4 prospects to keep them out of this year’s draft. I believe that EME, J.Martinez, Copeland, Richardson, H.Sosa, Ford, Joaquin, Schoop, Periera, Hendrick, B.Anderson, Trinidad, Mooney, Hammond, and Espineli are all eligible to be drafted.
My guess is they add H.Sosa for sure. Joaquin, Copeland, and Ford all were chosen to play for prestigious Fall leagues, so I think that they would be the favorites for the remaining spots. We will likely lose two or three of the remaining players in the draft.
by nelson95 on Nov 20, 2008 6:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In my cheap attempt to get more write-ins for EME
or votes for Skippy Barnes – Pucetas was rocked today during his AFL start.
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2008 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can count me in as one who thinks Pucetas is getting ranked too high. For me to rank a control pitcher in the top 10, they need to prove themselves in the high minors where hitters have a better approach.
by mxmob33 on Nov 20, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Barnes!
I don’t get the presence of Ishi on a prospect list, whatever, I’ll bad glad to see go. I’d like to nominate Mike McBryde as my number twelve prospect.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Nov 20, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mike McBryde
Mike McBryde almost certainly has the best combination of speed and arm strength in the entire Giants organization. When Dan Otero’s dad, Jorge, came out to watch him pitch in the Cal League playoffs, Dan told Dad that he hoped he got to see Mike make a throw home, that it was truly quite amazing. And this is from a pitcher, no less!
On the negative side, like most young players Mike has trouble laying off the low, outside curve ball, and it appears he would benefit from adding strength. I’m guessing high, inside fastballs and low, outside curves would make a very uncomfortable diet for Mike to absorb.
by sharksrog on Nov 22, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bake McBride
I just wanted to mention Bake McBride. Someone had to.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 22, 2008 12:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The vote currently stands at Pucetas 100, Ishikawa 85, and Other 139. Does that count as a win for Pucetas (sigh) or does it mean another runoff (shudder)?
by Evan on Nov 21, 2008 12:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Win
Assuming nothing crazy happens between now and 5.
Agreed on the sigh.
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by marcello on Nov 21, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Third on the sigh
There re at least three guys on that list I’d pick ahead of Pucetas.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my name’s kevin his name is kevin. i think you know who i voted for.
by serrapadre716 on Nov 21, 2008 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
frandsen is not eligible
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by jponry on Nov 21, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
neither is mitchell
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by Takimoto on Nov 21, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i was talking about kevin pucetas
but i like frandsen too, he should start at 2nd this year instead of giving someone else more money to do the same thing.
by serrapadre716 on Nov 22, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We all knew to whom you were referring.
by Natto on Nov 22, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Natto..
Where’d the chasm go?
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by WalrusMan on Nov 22, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Nov 22, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here we have..
A rare opportunity to view a nerd complete what is called a “link fail.” Never before seen in the wild, yet here it is, engraved in 1’s and 0’s. What a beautiful sight.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 22, 2008 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s cool that Brandon Crawford got as much support as he did on this poll.
He intrigues me, but the reports on him have been really mixed. He seems like an underperformer for some reason.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Nov 21, 2008 3:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
another candidate for “Joe the pitcher” route
by wilriv21 on Nov 21, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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