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Giants planning to offer CC 6 years, 100+ Million

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http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/11/giants_to_enter_sabathia_sweep.html

 

According to some New Jersey sports writer. It won't top the Yankees offer, but it's higher than the brewers offer and the idea is that CC might be willing to take less to play in the Bay and stay in the NL, where he can both hit and have inferior competition.

 

What'd ou say? A fanshot? What is that anyway? Don't know if I've ever seen one of those.

 

Maybe this isn't that big of a surprise to many, but I don't know, I didn't really expect them to be so aggressive. I'd rather have Teixeira personally, but I think there's a good chance Texieira wouldn't even consider SF, where CC obviously might

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my guess on dollars

6 years, 120 million

If CC’s agent tells the Yankees they prefer that deal…the Yanks will certainly up their offer (7 years, 160 perhaps?)

I wouldn’t want Sabean getting in a bidding war, it’s like when Roger Dorn bought the Indians in Major League II

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 1:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be a pretty great deal. Can’t imagine the Giants will pull it off, though, and I wouldn’t go much higher.

by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 2:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

The Yanks will counter with a higher offer than their 140M offer and the Giants would probably need to raise their offer as well (probably to 7/147 or so).

I can see SF going to 7 years, 140-150 million though. Even that might not be enough

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 2:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, the Giants are smart to be in bidding if only because CC might really, really want to be in northern California, but they should have a firm upper limit, and 6/120 should be close to it.

by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 2:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wilriv21 comments this on the issue.

According to a person familiar with the talks, the San Francisco Giants have been in touch with Sabathia’s agent and are planning an offer in excess of the six years, $100 million Milwaukee has offered, though not as high as the Yankees’ stratospheric six-year, $140 million offer.

The Giants “want to show him they’re going to be very aggressive,” according to this person. They’re hoping last week’s signing of lefty setup reliever Jeremy Affeldt (two years, $8 million) shows Sabathia they’re interested in building a winner, and they’ve told him they’re planning to go hard after free-agent shortstop Rafael Furcal as part of their off-season plan as well.

The Giants believe Sabathia would rather pitch in San Francisco than in New York, and they’re hoping they can make an offer that’s close enough to the Yankees’ offer to convince him to go there.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 1:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

much obliged

Looks like Neuk wants to put his own personal stamp on this organization in the same way Magowan did with the initial Bonds signing.

by wilriv21 on Nov 19, 2008 1:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whenever there's multiple posts..

I like to save whatever was written there.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 7:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Article I read said maybe around 6 years, $125 million.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by giants9107 on Nov 19, 2008 2:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If everything in this article is true

then so much for the Giants being patient and re-building through the farm system.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 19, 2008 1:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty much

Although I guess I wouldn’t be TOO upset…the only thing you’d have to be worried about is paying your other pitchers. If all this happens, I’m guessing they think that Sandoval is going to make a big enough impact to make the offense average.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 1:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well one of the other SP would almost certainly be traded for a bat

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least they wouldn't be gutting the farm system to land premier talent (i.e., FA signing vs. gutting trade)

(Although I do recognize it could curtail kill their ability to lock up Tim & Co. to long-term deals when the time comes.)

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by Giants_Junkie on Nov 19, 2008 1:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they do sign CC

I think Cain will be viewed as expendable (though personally I don’t know if that would be accurate). They will certainly have to focus on re-signing Lincecum, and trading Cain would hopefully bring back some young hitting in return.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t know if Cain would be seen as expendable because the reason that the Giants would sign CC would be to make the rotation extremely scary (Lincecum, CC, Cain). However, if the Giants did sign CC, I would bet that you could pretty much kiss Sanchez goodbye in a trade.

by deuce deuce on Nov 19, 2008 2:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

Sanchez would probably be the odd man out.

Still, I’d almost like to see what they could do with Sanchez as the 4th and Zito as the 5th.

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 2:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Out of the rotation? I can go with that. But there is always a bull pen in need of live arms.

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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 4:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea

seems like Sanchez would have to be the odd man, I would think theyd want to at least try Sabathia Lincecum Cain for one year

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not so certain

I understand that a CC-Tim-Cain rotation would be much scarier than a CC-Tim-Dirty rotation, but assuming that Dirty does not get to Cain’s level, it will cost much more to keep Cain than Dirty when they hit free agency, and it will be much more difficult to keep Cain.

I’m just thinking the front office might think it better to take the risk of hoping Sanchez will pan out and getting some good hitters for Cain instead of getting solid pitching from Cain, getting some OK prospects from Sanchez, and trying to find a way to pay Cain when he hits free agency.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 4:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you’re right, but if it were me, I’d keep ‘em all. I’d gamble that Cain and especially Sanchez will be more valuable a year from now.

by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 4:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you are right

that Cain and Sanchez will definitely be more valuable in a year, but if they are trying to win next year, they might need to sacrifice a bit of value

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 8:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they shouldn’t sacrifice ANYTHING to try to win next year.

I hope Sabean understands that!

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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2008 9:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How dare you put CC ahead of Timmy on your list. Accidental or not I’ve seen people killed for less around these parts.

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by The Thrill on Nov 19, 2008 10:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

money overrides talent

didn’t we see that this year already?

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2008 8:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So is there really a chance that the Giants could land Sabathia and Zito would still be highest paid player on the team? Not sure if I’d laugh or cry. Probably both.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 19, 2008 1:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and Timmy and his agent would be licking their chops
like a new puppy.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 19, 2008 1:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I assume you mean they’d be licking their own chops and not each others’. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 19, 2008 1:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Imagine if you will

If four years ago, someone told you that in 2009, the Giants would have CC & Zito in the rotation, as well as the reigning Cy Young winner from the farm system. We’d be weeping with joy and shouting championship.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 2:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

+1

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by Giants_Junkie on Nov 19, 2008 2:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahaha

Your so right

Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Nov 19, 2008 2:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You could probably even throw Affeldt and Phelps into that as well. Maybe this is the Giants new plan, put together what was awesome, or going to be awesome, 4 years ago.

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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 3:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you have to admit

it is looking better than the old strategy of picking up guys that kill the Giants.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 4:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean to tell me that Mark Portugal wasn’t a good signing??

Bold Statement.

by GiantsTribe on Nov 20, 2008 8:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you trying to do? Give me another ulcer?

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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 8:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn you Zito

Every signing now seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Nov 19, 2008 1:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know how to feel about this

Part of me wants to see Matt Cain actually be a third starter, but yikes thats a lot of money invested in the pitching staff.

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by j14 on Nov 19, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at best?

umm, far too obvious and yes, it would be literal shit-tons of money going into the starting rotation, shit-tons.

by cornball on Nov 19, 2008 3:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Literal?

Exactly how many shit-tons can you get for $125 million? And if you had that many shit-tons, would a free-agent pitcher accept them as payment?

by taliesin on Nov 19, 2008 10:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am really scared

that CC will pull a Zito. I mean, really, really scared.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 2:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m not so scared of that. Zito had been getting worse for a long time, CC has been getting better.

But still, there’s plenty here to get scared about.

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by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 2:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed. Any basic stat nerd could’ve told you Zito was heading downhill fast.

by fwoty oz on Nov 19, 2008 2:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true...

but no one would’ve predicted a downturn quite so dramatic and sudden.

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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 19, 2008 3:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plenty predicted a downturn, although, I suppose not this extreme and fast

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also would like to add that

While some people predicted a downturn, I don’t think that anyone thought it will be this extreme and sudden.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2008 10:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No.

Most people predicted a downturn, but probably none of them would expect it to be so dramatic and fast.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 1:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing you neglect to mention is that many people predicted a downturn, but no on expected it to be so dramatic and fast.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Nov 20, 2008 1:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I mentioned that.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 1:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really? Where?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2008 2:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but did anyone really think his downturn would be so quick and abrupt?

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by Takimoto on Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, but they did expect a downturn. Just not one that was so sudden. Where have you been all this time?

by withclubsauce on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do we know why he went downhill so fast?

was it something that could be seen back when he was still good? or was it just an inexplicable drop in velocity and loss of control?

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 4:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was a general downhill trend of his peripheral stats every year after his CY (2002)

2003 was still a pretty good year, but nowhere near as dominant.

2004 was just plain average.

2005 and 2006 got slightly above average results but his BB/K ratio was getting worse in a hurry.

His strikeouts stayed the same or decreased every year since 2001. That generally portrays a guy who’s slowly losing velocity.

I’d say it was very predictable that he would not be an elite pitcher when the Giants signed him, and would be a very poor pitcher by the end of the contract. His first year with the Giants wasn’t really a bad year – it was absolutely average. And this last season wasn’t as terrible as some make it out to be, it’s just obviously not worth premium money.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/z/zitoba01.shtml

by fwoty oz on Nov 19, 2008 4:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i understand that he dropped off

I was just curious if we knew why…

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 4:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya

I put it up to a decrease in velocity coupled with the league catching up to him.

Like I said, “His strikeouts stayed the same or decreased every year since 2001. That generally portrays a guy who’s slowly losing velocity.”

If your stuff stays the same and the hitters adjust to you, you can make your own adjustments and keep them off balance. When you’re losing stuff at the same time it’s pretty predictable what will happen.

by fwoty oz on Nov 19, 2008 6:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree with the original poster, and would rather they spent the money on a bat (Texieieieieieiera).

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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 19, 2008 2:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree

But I think what the Giants are thinking is that they would get CC at a relative discount if he takes their offer, where as we would probably have to outspend every other team in order to land Texiera. Just a thought.

Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Nov 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but but but
didn’t CC already say he would leave no money on the table?

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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 19, 2008 2:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that was his agent talking. 6/$100+M is still a pretty nice table.

Perhaps enhanced with bonus for post-season appearances, etc.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 19, 2008 2:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell!

If you’re going to spend this kind of money, get Tex.

I mean, I’d be gleeful if we got CC but Tex makes a lot more sense to me.

by fwoty oz on Nov 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I WANT GUERERRO!

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 2:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

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by jponry on Nov 19, 2008 2:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah

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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 19, 2008 2:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWO long term deals to pitchers?!

Ooooh…. my medication…

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by Natto on Nov 19, 2008 2:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please hand me mine while your there.

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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 4:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another similar article

Article

Only $57 million committed to 09? grr, the Rowand signing was a mistake.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by giants9107 on Nov 19, 2008 2:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Giants are going after that big bat!

by out machine on Nov 19, 2008 2:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Emphasis on big.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
comics | art | Nattowear | McFAQ I & II

by Natto on Nov 19, 2008 2:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

butt?

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 2:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Natto said something about along the lines of “I want them to sign him, but I’m not sure if they should be doing what I want.”

I feel this way right now.

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by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 2:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for reals mang

Kyle Nicholson: the fyootch

by stealth snail on Nov 19, 2008 3:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kinda feeling that way myself

by timmeh on Nov 19, 2008 5:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I lord the Sith.

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Is it always the man with the gun?
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 23, 2008 5:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I rest on the 7th.

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a fifth of Beethoven

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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 8:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's next

Can you say $18.00 beers?

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by bgunn on Nov 19, 2008 2:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep.

I am not a moot.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 7:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think Texeira would come to the Bay

unless we offered him a lot more money than anyone else. CC, at least has the chance of coming without needing to be bowled over by cash

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 2:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally, I’m pretty fuckin’ down for having CC a Giant and FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

let the rest of the chips fall where they may…

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by WTF on Nov 19, 2008 2:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem is, a signing like this puts us a CC injury away from not being able to compete until Zito and CC are off the books. Very high risk given the fragile nature of pitchers.

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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 3:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re: fragile nature of pitchers

I think CC is more of a fridge nature

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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2008 9:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The difference between CC and Zito is

If CC gets hurt or loses velocity on his fastball we can stick him at 1B and he will still be our best hitter.

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by The Thrill on Nov 19, 2008 10:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The difference between CC and Zito is
The difference between CC and Zito is…

…about 70 lbs.

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Nov 20, 2008 10:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Try 85 lbs.

Zito 205
CC 290

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FROM THE MINDS THAT BROUGHT YOU THE BARRY ZITO SIGNING...

Comes this season’s must-see actiontastic explodaganza…

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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 19, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

part of me wants to laugh, but I’m not sure that I should (similar to how Natto feels about the potential signing of Sabathia)

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very nice, well done

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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 4:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that is freaking hilarious

well done

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by stevieg on Nov 19, 2008 8:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OVERWEIGHT EDITION

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by CB30 on Nov 19, 2008 10:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hooray!

More 1-0 losses!

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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 19, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah

Dude can hit. Now that Hennessey’s gone, we need that bat.

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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 3:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but what about the loss of Hennessey’s speed?

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by Speedforthewin on Nov 19, 2008 4:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

only users lose speed

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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 19, 2008 4:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he only throws shutouts

Fairley odd parent to Wendell

by WTF on Nov 19, 2008 2:38 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They throw the counter away on days CC starts.

by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 2:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

naw, only 120, but with a 3 man rotation all season long

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This actually scares me. I could see bochy deciding that the top 4 (potentially CC, timmy, cainer, and the hippie) are so awesome that 5th starters are superfluous: “I’m Bruce Bochy and in my day we only had four starters!” (shudders)

by cornball on Nov 19, 2008 3:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha, if he actually said that by announcing his name first like that I’d be so amused I wouldnt even be upset for a week or two til Timmy and CC both got hurt.

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha, it would be pretty classy. Maybe I should introduce all my ridiculous statements like that. “I’m cornball and I like living in Omaha!” (shudders)

by cornball on Nov 19, 2008 3:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously, I know the financial implications would suck and it would be doom and gloom in the future and all, but it would be like having Timmy day twice a week instead of just once. It would be fun to watch.

FOR ME ANYWAY!

/selfish

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by WTF on Nov 19, 2008 2:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm torn.

I love the idea of CC pitching for the Giants. That makes a scary, scary, front 3. But that means that more than 1/3rd of the payroll is tied up in two pitchers.What if CC got hurt? Oy vey, that would suck.

I’m also not sure that pitching is the best use of the G’s money.

If we traded Rowand, and got out from under that contract, I’d feel a bit safer. about this. I don’t know. I’m just not sure about this one.

by Gregjitsu on Nov 19, 2008 2:45 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe they make this move and then trim salary later on…?

Fairley odd parent to Wendell

by WTF on Nov 19, 2008 2:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what no one’s pointed out is, what if Zito got hurt? Then, not only do you move from ‘well, he sucks most of the time, but not necessarily, I guess,’ to ’let’s fast-track Jesse English to the majors despite the gaping $15 million dollar hole sitting in our rotation’…although I do think there’d be a couple parties hereabouts nonetheless.

by offthedeepend on Nov 21, 2008 12:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And if Sandoval is the lone offensive hope

Then we just might get Cainectomied (The aforementioned 1 – 0 loss) three times a week.

That couldn’t possibly happen , right? Right?

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by victor frankenstein on Nov 23, 2008 5:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To counteract my WTF post earlier

Can you imagine 5 game playoff series?

Lincecum, CC, Cain, Lincecum, CC

by fwoty oz on Nov 19, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m having trouble getting past the “imagine playoff series” part…

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by Natto on Nov 19, 2008 2:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Imagine a what now?

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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 19, 2008 2:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which begs the question...

If we sign CC, does Tim become our #2 the year after he brings us our second ever Cy Young? Or does CC take #2 status along with less money and a weaker offense? Also, won’t he want a park friendlier to left handed hitters?

by FPTV on Nov 19, 2008 2:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Knowing Bochy . . .

Will depend on whether the first team we play against has more left handed or right handed batters. :P

by fwoty oz on Nov 19, 2008 3:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe this is the solution

Zito starts, so neither CC or Tim get the #1 nod, king of a King Solomon type of thing. Then they could easily justify going Zito-Tim-CC for the whole L-R-L rotational symmetry.

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by withclubsauce on Nov 21, 2008 10:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Timmy would have to be wondering “what the f does a guy have to do to be named opening day starter around here?!”

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't forget matt cain...

who got screwed out of his shot at being the opening day starter last year…

by FPTV on Nov 19, 2008 3:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tim will probably still be the #1.

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by Natto on Nov 19, 2008 3:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More like Lincecum, CC, Cain…..done in 3 games.

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by The Thrill on Nov 19, 2008 10:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Payroll going up?

Maybe FO knows something we don’t about payroll? Maybe Neukom is willing to stretch the payroll a bit to fit CC in? It would be a less scary signing if we were going to be a 105 mil a year team, rather than a 90-95 mil/yr.

by Gregjitsu on Nov 19, 2008 2:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which prompts the question:

…just how transparent are the Giants finances? Can we trust the FO to tell the truth about profits and budgets?

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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 19, 2008 3:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you gotta figure CC will be a monster draw at the gates, right? Like a Barry type draw. Maybe that factors in?

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh

he’s only going to pitch 14-18 games at AT&T

Let’s say maybe 3,000 more seats per game…avg price of about $35….that’s still going to be less than the salary of ANY player in the big leagues.

That won’t defray the costs too much. Even if you factor in increased TV ratings on those days and merchandise, we’re probably still looking at a figure below 1 million in profit, 2 million AT BEST!

Now, if he is the missing piece that actually makes this team a winner….we could be looking more at an extra 5-8 million, which is much more significant, along with lessening the risk of a dropoff….which is likely to happen if the team keeps losing

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was some impressive quick math. Season ticket sales would probably jump too, but yea I see your point that he’s not exactly a “pays for himself” kind of guy.

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno..

Looking at 3000 more people per game at $35, say half his starts at home, then you’re looking at $1.68 million. Add in merchandising and especially food cost at the game, you’d probably get to 2.5-3 million per year.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 7:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even at those rates

3 million, we’re still looking at paying CC about 22-24 million, so it’s such a small percentage of the dollars we’re talking about

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 8:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't forget the fatties

every overweight person in sf will be sporting the CC jersey, which only comes in XXL and sells at a premium; that will make up the difference right there. and now that is taken care of sign him.

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by redhornet78 on Nov 20, 2008 10:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

especially food cost at the game

I’m guessing this actually hurt cash flow since they’ll need a bigger post-game spread if the sign the big lefty.

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by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 2:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thing is..

We were a 90 million team for a few years and last year we dropped down to 70-75 million. Perhaps we’ve got some money saved up now?

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 7:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outside the box thinking

CC brings his 1B glove for days when he is not pitching. Sadly, he might lead the team in HR’s.

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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 19, 2008 3:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean if he plays 1B when not pitching?

Because I think he might lead the team in HRs even if he’s only in the lineup every fifth day.

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by oneflapdown on Nov 19, 2008 3:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It also might fool some people into thinking that we traded for Prince Fielder.

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by Azantor on Nov 19, 2008 5:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we dumped Rowand, I'd be intrigued.

God, the more I talk about Rowand, the angrier I get.

by DuikeBuike on Nov 19, 2008 3:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rowand almost makes me more irritable than Zito. In fact, I think he does. Why in the world would CF be something the Giants needed to throw $60M at????

by Grant on Nov 19, 2008 3:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, nothing trumps Zito

Rowand was superfluous and overpaid, but he’s still at least close to hovering around an average player, possibly even slightly above average with a little luck. Bary Zito, on the other hand, is paid more to make Pat Misch look like an appealing option

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But I could see the logic. Area favorite…healthy…six straight years of 100 or better ERA+…. Sure his peripherals were declining, but I could see why a non-stat GM like Sabes would want him.

Rowand is a symptom of a larger disease. Hey, we’ll trade for Randy Winn. Sure, we’ll sign him to an extension. Oh, now we’ll chase after Gary Matthews and Juan Pierre for center, but end up with Dave Roberts. Whoops, Roberts can’t play center anymore. We’ll sign Rowand. Whoops, Rowand’s defense is declining too….

by Grant on Nov 19, 2008 3:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

….please dont another CF signing is what youre getting at

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

the move truly was stupid and devoid of logic. I can’t deny that

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just wait for 4 year 44MM with player option for year 5 he will offer Coco Crisp next winter when it become evident Errant Throwin’ should be moved to a corner spot. Ah Good times.

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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 4:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really?

thats quite a statement. But if you want to go down that path you could trace it back to the Dave Roberts signing. Dave Roberts’ CF defense had a pretty significant impact on the “need” for a CF.

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roberts signing....

was bad, but only cost what, 15 million over 3 years?

He was Sabean’s back up option to Juan pierre, for that reason alone we should love ROberts

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true, I just meant that his awful D led Sabean to compound the problem by signing Rowand

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“only” he says…
I’d like to have 3 million over 15 years!

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by Merope on Nov 19, 2008 5:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plus

Rowand could possibly still be traded without paying too much of his salary. Zito not so much.

by sam23 on Nov 19, 2008 3:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s why the Rowand signing is not even in the same league as Zito. He’s still an above average player at his position, and likely still tradeable if they want to shed the contract.

Zito was such a blatantly horrible signing from the moment the ink dried, I will never get over it.

by mxmob33 on Nov 19, 2008 3:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zito was a far worse signing. No argument there. But the Rowand signing irritates me more. Personal semantics, I suppose.

by Grant on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rowand was always mediocre, while Zito won the CYA.

and put up several smoke-and-mirror seasons.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 19, 2008 5:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rowand irritates me far more as well...

…because Zito’s peak was WAY higher than Rowand’s, and at least when Zito throws the ball, it ends up within 5 feet of his target.

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by Skaldheim on Nov 19, 2008 4:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno..

Would Zito be able to throw home from centerfield? Might not go far enough.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 7:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s the Rageahol talking

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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 19, 2008 5:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you have a bigger version of your profile image?

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by BrianBokake on Nov 20, 2008 12:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of course

but timlincecum.com has been lurking to take it

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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 20, 2008 7:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well...

i just wanted to use it as a desktop. Anyway you could email it to me?

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by BrianBokake on Nov 20, 2008 10:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It seems to me that CC would at least want to be the highest paid pitcher on the staff. I’m going to go ahead and make the call that if he does sign with us it with me at least 128 mill.

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by BrianBokake on Nov 19, 2008 3:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7 years,

+ 1 day. Take that, Zito!

by FPTV on Nov 19, 2008 3:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no lounge chairs

just leather & fur covered waterbeds (two)

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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2008 9:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is it

that the Giants keep signing the same type of players – people that have had one or two okay years, but are probably past their prime, and will probably get way too much money from SF? Not to say CC is that type of player, although I REALLY think the money it would take to get him could be better spent on a big bat, but the other guy the Giants seem obsessed with, Rafael Furcal, is Barry Zito/Aaron Rowand version 3.0. I REALLY hope they don’t pull the deal with him off. Ugh.

by ololo3 on Nov 19, 2008 3:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Furcal is a bit different. He fills a position of need and probably wouldn’t be paid as much. That’s not saying that I want him though.

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by Natto on Nov 19, 2008 3:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really, but I wouldn’t be that upset if we get him.

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by Natto on Nov 21, 2008 10:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we need a SS

bad.

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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2008 10:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A bit of irony

Much of McCoven appreciates Billy Beane so it would be ironic that Oakland gives Furcal the 4yr deal that much of McCoven hopes Sabean will not give Furcal.

by wilriv21 on Nov 23, 2008 10:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d be okay with it.

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by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2008 12:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 years + a 4th year if he plays 145 games or more in 2011?

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2008 1:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why not? If Burriss makes some serious noise, it’s not the type of contract that can’t be traded.

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by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2008 4:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Counter point - Jack Wilson

See the Priates have been asking for some one to fill in in SS if the moved him but he has been on the block for how many years now?

Then there is Lugo with the Red Sox. Which may end up being a better example because once he was beat out at second he become less useful then teats on a peacock to the Red Sox and look how long it took them to move him.

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by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2008 8:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we need a SS bad.

Did we release Bocock or something? Myself, I’d prefer “good”.

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by Goofus on Nov 24, 2008 8:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All this speculation is fun and everything...

but to keep it in perspective for some, it’s still a long shot that CC signs here. The Yankees can and will offer him the moon. The Giants can probably go a bit further than they 6/125, but not to the absurd lengths of the Yankees.

I’d still put the Giants odds of landing CC just under 10%

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In other words

50 times greater than the % of trading Rowand.

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by zenbitz on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sadly

yes

Still fun to talk about though

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 4:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If CC does sign with the Giants for big bucks

he can buy Vallejo and rescue it from bankruptcy.

by baseballjunkie on Nov 19, 2008 3:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

..and lol.

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by Skaldheim on Nov 19, 2008 4:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My reaction...

…if you’re gonna blow that much money, you may as well get someone really, really good. C.C. Sabathia is really, really good. If it gives you the pitching depth to trade good young pitching for good young (cheap) hitting, well…all the better.

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by Skaldheim on Nov 19, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Optimist: CC, Timmy, Cain, Sanchez, Martinez would make me wet myself every day. It would also mean that 4 out of 5 days we have a legit shot at winning as we would almost certainly have the best pitcher that day. I see no holes or blatant errors in this.

Pessimist (copied from above): We would be a CC injury away from not being able to compete until Zito and CC are off the books. Very high risk given the fragile nature of pitchers.

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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 4:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but just a

Zito injury away from competing!

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by zenbitz on Nov 19, 2008 4:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, but Bumgarner and Alderson are lurking too.

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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 19, 2008 4:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd love to have CC, too

but there’s a philosophical question that I thought was answered after the Zito signing, which is: Is it EVER a good idea to sign a pitcher to a six- or seven-year contract? And I thought the answer was a resounding “no.” Even if CC is lights out for the first few years, is there any chance he’ll be worth $15-18 million by Year 7, or Year 6, or maybe even Year 5?

Also, I don’t feel so good about how the Brewers ran him into the ground the last few weeks of the season. Yeah, yeah, he’s not made of porcelain, but still.

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by Kitspool on Nov 19, 2008 4:30 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have plenty of fears about CC's health

although I think the 7 year thing clearly isn’t true.

There are plenty of pitchers it would have been a good deal for (Maddux, Johnson, Pedro, etc.) it’s just that there are not MANY pitchers worth it

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 4:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You may be right that some pitchers would have been worth a long-term deal, but Zito clearly isn’t one of them, and like it or not we’re stuck with him. Adding a second pitchert with a 6- or 7-year contract, even one as great as CC, just seems ludicrous. The payroll risk is too high.

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by Kitspool on Nov 19, 2008 4:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we sign CC...

… and sign Furcal as well, i would rather sit on a Lincecum/CC/Cain/Dirty/Zito rotation and the offense plus Furcal, Ishii, Frandsen and Pabito for a full season and see how that works. With the bullpen additions of Affeldt and Justin Miller, plus a year of hinshaw and romo, the team could be competitive. Bottom line: if we sign CC, i would not be in favor of trading dirty

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by Speedforthewin on Nov 19, 2008 4:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually like this.

Granted I don’t know if the offer is closer to 140MM or 100MM. But the ceiling is good enough for now.
The Giants have established a floor and if the Dodger want CC to head their rotation they are going to have to commit more recourses. I’ll start to get worried if the Giants make a second offer out side of these bounds. But I think CC will get bigger offers from the Yanks & the Bums so I am not too worried about him accepting it.

If the team wants to increase its payroll by 20 25MM would I rather the go get Tex? Yes. Is the offer to CC a risk? Yes. But it was a risk that should be run.

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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 4:38 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Giants are being used

I think CC was not blown away by the 140m Yankee offer. The interest coming from the Giants and Dodgers will just mean that the Yankees will end up paying more for CC.

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 19, 2008 4:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i concur

altho I do believe if it was a difference of maybe 5-10 million (out of 160 that is) I think CC would choose the NL and west coast. I just don’t see the Giants coming that close to the Yanks

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 8:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 9:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its long away but..

If we sign Sabathia to a 5 year deal then we have BOTH Zito and Sabathia coming off the books. I believe Pujols signed a 7 year contarct in 2006, meaning 2013 would be his FA year. Just and ideas, plus what an entertaing offseason that would be. I know im commenting on a hypothetical signing cause another hypothetical signing 5 years later, but its fun to imagine

by giantsrockdudes on Nov 19, 2008 5:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey

Aren’t you the guy who wanted Furcal? You started all that Furcal crap!

by FutureGiantsGm24 on Nov 19, 2008 7:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep in mind that when Tim (and a majority of the Giants other youngsters) are done with arbitration, it will coincide with the end of the Barry Zito contract in 2013 (assuming his 2014 option doesn’t vest). Thus, the Giants would have a lot more flexibility to give Tim a contract that he deserves. I’m sure Tim and his agent wouldn’t object to taking a slightly back-loaded contract if Zito’s still on the books for a season when Tim’s ready for his contract.

by deuce deuce on Nov 19, 2008 5:28 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah..

Tim is either going to sign a long term contract or the Giants probably won’t go to arbitration with him the last year/last years. He’ll make so much. If he keeps going he’ll probably get $6+ his first year of arbitration, and if he continues he’ll be up to $10+ the next season. By then they’ll either have signed him to a long deal or he’ll be gone.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 8:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh, players still get less in arbitration

than they do in FA. It would cost more for the Giants to get a Lincecum type player in FA, not that that would be all that easy, or even possible, than just going year to year in arby with him.

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by rfloh on Nov 19, 2008 11:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if one is even availble to be gotten.

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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 8:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But we all tend to forget....

Even though Sabathia had an amazing season last year, do we tend to forget that in the month of April he was 1-4 with an ERA of 7.76. I wonder what turned his season around? That really scares me….

by VTown on Nov 19, 2008 5:31 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody remembers because it was only one month. It happens.

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by Natto on Nov 19, 2008 5:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is something i've been concerned about actually

You look at his stats in the AL, and he wasn’t a $20 million player, and did not show the kind of dominance he did last year. So mark me concerned that the NL may catch up to him with a full year of work.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2008 8:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

VTown?

You from Vallejo?

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by thehavenot on Nov 21, 2008 11:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great

CC could come here and he too could lose 2-0. At least Tyler Walker won’t blow games for him like he did for Timmy.

A McC newcomer but not outstanding.

by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2008 5:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s hard to evaluate this without knowing how much the Giants have to spend. If we’re on a $90 million payroll, it’s hard to justify having two guys in the rotation at $40 million total.

On the other hand, I’m in favor of getting good players, whether it be C.C., Tex or a big-bonus draftee.

by Dan from NM on Nov 19, 2008 6:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Curious as to what CC looks like in orange boxers??

Oh..sorry, I guess it’s orange boxes…never mind.

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by Timlincecum.com on Nov 19, 2008 6:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hawt

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 20, 2008 11:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sign CC! Tex is another JT Snow

Signing CC is a great idea because other than Manny, he is the most proven FA commodity and also unlike Zito and Texeira, his performance has not been trending downwards in the years leading up to his FA year. CC is a horse, and backed up his Cy Young year of last year with a spectacular 2nd half after a slow start. He should give 15-20 wins every year with a sub 3.50 ERA for the life of his deal and be resistant to injury. ROI on Sabathia should be very high.
Teixeira on the other hand has been trending down in the last 3 years. His peak year was in 2005 when he hit 44 HR and 144 RBI in a hitter’s park. Since then he has been good for 30-35 HR and 110-115 RBI. Solid numbers, but why do you think Atlanta gave up on him? That kind of production is not worth $20+ Million a year, esp in a park where those numbers will drop to 25 HR and 100 RBI. Sure he plays a great 1B, but so did JT Snow. Snow was good for 20-25 HR and 100 RBI from age 28 to 32, then fell off dramatically afterwards. Would you pay $20 Million for JT Snow?
If you’re gonna spend big money this offseason, Sabathia is more worth the money, and adding him allows you to trade Cain, Sanchez, Lowry, Alderson or MadBum for young hitters that have not hit free agency yet and give you cheap production and the ability to re-sign later.

by joebirdie3 on Nov 19, 2008 8:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Teixeira

No, just no. Don’t forget that offense, league wide, has been trending down the last couple years. Teixeira, has been, is, and will be one of the best players in baseball. There isn’t a safer, big money player on the market. Please never compare Teixeira to Snow again.

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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 8:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even then, Snow only slugged .529 that year as his career high.

Tex has been above that 4 out of his 6 seasons.

by fwoty oz on Nov 19, 2008 8:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even ignoring league wide offense,

Teixeira’s OPS the past 2 seasons have been better that his OPS in 2005.

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by rfloh on Nov 20, 2008 12:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atlanta gave up on him

because they were out of contention.

And while he’s hitting fewer home runs, he has been getting on base more, and making fewer outs.

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by rfloh on Nov 19, 2008 11:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and, unlike JT

Tex can actually hit for power from both sides.
don’t get me wrong, i dig the LLcoolJT, but he’s no Teixeieieieiera.

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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 20, 2008 9:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Texiera

Rather than looking at just his HR and RBI totals, look at something that better measures his true offensive achievements, like OPS+, which is park adjusted:

2003 – 102
2004 – 131
2005 – 144
2006 – 126
2007 – 150
2008 – 151

His peak year was not 2005, as you suggest. Aside from a dip in 2006, his trending is positive…and he’s still just 29.

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by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 2:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they can afford to increase payroll a bit

The Giants can afford to increase payroll a bit. They own part of the cable network, they have a strong broadcast deal, and a stadium which is an attraction in and of itself. There is this terrible misconception that the Giants are a small market team…
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/33/biz_baseball08_San-Francisco-Giants_339175.html

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by TrojanCBB on Nov 19, 2008 8:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right

And to add to your point, heres some more info from Baggs
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2008/11/19/are-giants-making-their-pitch-for-cc/

So here comes Sabathia, a Vallejo native, and a demonstrated difference-maker in the rotation. If his interest is legitimate, it’s no great surprise the Giants are all ears. Remember, for all their talk of building through player development, the Giants are not the A’s or Rays. San Francisco is a top-10 revenue franchise, easily. The Giants haven’t spent a dime of their windfall from signing a new cable deal with Comcast. And if the Seawall Lot 337 development deal goes down in the next year or two, they’ll be one of baseball’s fattest cash cows.

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by superk1ng on Nov 19, 2008 8:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just think about the marketing consequences

If we Signed CC, flip Cain to Milwaukee for Fielder, and Move Sandoval to 3rd.

Sandoval,CC, Fielder, Molina

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by jctGamer on Nov 19, 2008 9:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe they could cut an album, too!

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by Timlincecum.com on Nov 19, 2008 9:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No.

remember when giving huge, long-term deals to pitchers wasn’t a good idea because it pretty much never works out? THEN the giants got Zito.

Please no.

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by jasomack on Nov 19, 2008 9:43 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

food costs

yeah, but then you have a lot more to worry about than just the $ in the contract. Our snack costs would skyrocket for these fat bastards. You’d have to have a fulltime supply of pork rinds and ho-hos for CC… and we’d go bankrupt importing whatever gd vegetable it is thats keeping prince pushing the scale at damn near 350.

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by Wes_Mantooth on Nov 19, 2008 9:43 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

little known fact

prince eats whole trees.

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by jasomack on Nov 19, 2008 9:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prince is to blame for deforestation? Shame.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 20, 2008 11:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could I get a giant beer to go with that?

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by bgunn on Nov 20, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When did the Phillies acquire Rob Burger?

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 20, 2008 11:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goddamn link fail

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=17810

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 20, 2008 11:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And team fail. Brewers. When did the Brewers acquire Rob Burger? I think I just need a do-over on today.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 20, 2008 11:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Brainer

everybody has complained about the Zito contract, not only because Zito has been awful, but they felt this contract would prevent the Giants’ from obtaining other top of the line free agents. Obviously it doesn’t, because here the Giants’ go into the FA market again to attempt to sign CC. Why does everyone think that this contract will now break the team?? It obviously doesn’t, because now we are hearing that they will STILL go after Furcal even if they sign CC. Stop worrying so much. The guy is one of the best five pitchers in the game. Sign him. Most fans get excited at the thought of adding one of the best players in the game, while we complain about it. I get excited whenever Timmy takes the mound, and now I’ll get excited whenever CC takes the mound if this happens. Roughly 40 percent of Giant games will now be happenings. Why don’t we try to enjoy baseball for once in a lifetime, instead of the constant complaining??

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by rxmeister on Nov 20, 2008 3:42 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently you don’t know us very well…

by Merope on Nov 20, 2008 5:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And McC implodes in on itself.

by offthedeepend on Nov 21, 2008 1:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If...

(1) the Gs sign CC, (2) Lowry is healthy, (3) and neither Sanchez nor Cain are traded, what’s Lowry’s role? If he is healthy and anywhere near his previous level of effectiveness, I think that leaving him as a long reliver would be a waste of talent. OTOH, I’m not sure where else he fits in since we have Affeldt and since it would be hard to trade him for something worthwhile.

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by shikantaza on Nov 20, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two things..

1. He’s traded. That would probably require him to have a great spring and then pitch for a while in that long relief spot.

2. Zito is moved to the long reliever position and Lowry takes the #5 starter spot. Would take a lot of balls though.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 9:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As much as I hate to say it

If Lowry really impresses in spring training, I bet Sanchez gets moved to the pen. I’m not saying that’s the right move, I just think it’s what this team will do. I think they’d have to try to trade Lowry…it’s not like you’d regret giving him away if he comes back to form, considering he was a #3 starter at best (seriously…he was, this wasn’t a joke). They probably wouldn’t get much in return for him, but it seems better than keeping him or Sanchez in AAA, neither of them would be happy there. And there’s no way Zito gets moved to the pen long-term, unless he completely tanks it and puts up consistent 3 IP, 7 ER games.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2008 10:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll be pissed if they put Sanchez in the pen...

He showed a ton of potential last year and there is no reason they should be jerking him around. Moving him back into the pen might seriously hurt his development. I’d rather send him back to AAA to work on his command while the team tries to trade Lowry mid-season.

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by shikantaza on Nov 20, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind it.

I think Sanchez has a big upside and I want to see him in the rotation. But last season he clearly ran out of gas. If the reason for starting Sanchez in the pen was to showcase Lowry for an early-season trade, with Sanchez moving back into the rotation in May, I would have no problem with that.

I think he may be out of options, next year will be his 4th in the majors, making it impossible for him to go to AAA. He would never clear waivers if he is out of options that is for sure.

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by marklar on Nov 22, 2008 12:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I certainly would not like to see the "Pen move just to make room for the questionable lefties ( Lowry & He Shall Not Be Named) but if he is legitimately beaten out then I lean toward the other side of shikantaza on this one. Not strongly though. A second coming of Mike Jackson ( and Dirty certainly has the kind of potentional ) would give this team one hell of back end of Pen.

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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 10:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The pen..

May be a great place for Sanchez only if he still does not make any large strides as a starter this year. If so he’d probably be an ace 8th inning guy. He’s got such amazing stuff that especially if he adds a few ticks by going to the bullpen he’d be great.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 1:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Lowry is healhy the Giants would most likely keep him to get his value up.

I would expect Cain or Sanchex to get traded at that point, depending on the deals that are offered. I forsee The Giants saying “Hey Sanchez is available, buuuuuuut if you throw in a couple more guys with might consider trading Cain.” A sort of “He’s not available, but available” thing. As much as I lov and adore Cain and Dirty, more balanced teams win and they would trade for bats… emphasis on plural.

by Giant Voodoo on Nov 20, 2008 10:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it would be a huge mistake

To trade Cain just to make room for Lowry and Sanchez in the rotation. There’s just too many question marks between those two.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2008 11:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trading Cain

if we signed CC to this huge deal, we’d probably have to because, come 2012, he’d probably cost too much to re-sign. Zito and CC would still be on the books and hopefully Lincecum would have been re-signed by them. However, there would be no need to trade Cain right away, but its hard to see his signing CC and paying him all that money with little offense behind him.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 20, 2008 1:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Signing him scares me but

If we ever make the postseason, wed have some scary/solid pitching to get us through it

by beagle on Nov 20, 2008 10:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like CC as much as everyone else but look at his performance for the postseason. That’s lots of money for how should I say, poor production.

by timmeh on Nov 20, 2008 2:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

POSTSEASON STATS ARE AWESOME!

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by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2008 3:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it’s safe to say we won’t have to worry about postseason stats for a while.

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by Natto on Nov 20, 2008 3:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reading all the LULZ FATTIEZ comments made me think of this guy

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 20, 2008 11:18 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

extra baggs wednesday

is about Sabathia and our offer. Reading it, I get an implication G’s are offering high dollars but fewer than 6 years. Which is not a bad idea.

"I asked Sabean last week: Is it too great a risk to pay two starting pitchers a quarter of a billion dollars?

Sabean was elusive, saying that everything would depend on money and years. "Moreso years," he said."
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2008/11/19/are-giants-making-their-pitch-for-cc/#more-595

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by foothillsfan on Nov 20, 2008 11:23 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anagrams of "CC Sabathia"

CHIC AS A BAT

Well, yes, he is rather adept at hitting.

IT A CASH CAB

A cash cab is what we’d have to drive to his house in order to sign him.

CACA HABITS

Ewwwww!

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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 20, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

signing CC would be a mistake

We have a stud #1 picher and a near ace in Cain. we have 2 young guns coming up to the bigs in a year or two. Why would we need to sign CC to such a big, long term deal? we don’t. it would be a mistake.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 20, 2008 1:16 PM PST