San Francisco Giants Rumors, both Real and Invented

by Grant on Nov 19, 2008 12:22 PM PST Comment 114 comments

Sometime in January, when all of the free agents have been signed, I’ll sit down to write a post and start crying. I won’t want to write about Atlee Hammaker memories. I won’t want to write about how cool Donruss Diamond Kings were. I won’t want to write a 14,000-word Lord of the Rings parody with Sabean as Frodo, Bochy as Sam, Magowan as Golem, One Free Agent Cy Young Superstar to Rule Them All as the plot device, and a journey to Mt. Outright Release.

I’ll want to write about baseball. News about baseball, perhaps. But I won’t be able to because the world will be a wintery graveyard for baseball news. Then I’ll think, "Damn, I really should have posted more should-we-think-about-this-free-agent threads when I had the chance instead of opening some stupid pop-culture-based thread." I know this. I’ve lived it. And, dammit, I’m not going down without a fight. So for the next month or so, there will be a lot of rosterbation, speculation, and evaluation of the speculative rosterbation. If you don’t care for such posts, that’s understandable. We won’t delete your user account while you grumble in a corner by yourself until March. I just hope that you understand why I have to do it. Do you know that Bruce Bochy hasn’t made a questionable bullpen decision for over a month? Look it up. And yet you want me to continue writing daily posts about the San Francisco Giants? You jackals.

The chatter so far is that the Giants will either sign a corner infielder or a middle infielder or both. Maybe trade for one or both. Middle infielder or corner infielder. Corner infielder or middle infielder. Shore up the infield. Get an infielder. It makes sense, because if the outfield is Fred Lewis, Aaron Rowand, and Randy Winn with a Nate Schierholtz insurance plan, that’s a whole lot of acceptable to downright okay. Why would the Giants need to mess with that?

But if the Giants are looking for a combination of middle-of-the-order bat and a non-ludicrous long-term contract, they aren’t going to find it in the infield. Mark Teixiera? He’s sure to fetch a ludicrous long-term contract. And thus endeth the list of middle-of-the-order bats among free agent infielders. Then I read Ken Rosenthal speculate thusly:

Free-agent outfielder Pat Burrell also could attract the Giants' interest, but such a move would require the team to trade another outfielder, most likely Randy Winn.

The more I stare at the free agent list, the more it makes sense to trade Aaron Rowand and sign Pat Burrell or Adam Dunn. And by "makes sense", I mean "makes absolutely no sense, but if the Giants are committed to throwing $50M to $150M at a free agent, it makes more sense than some other options." Now, heck, I’d trade Aaron Rowand for a punch to the face just to get rid of his contract, but Sabean probably still thinks Rowand has a ton of value. Sabean might deal Rowand, though, if he were sure the end result would be a middle-of-the-order hitter. Trading Winn to make room for Burrell, Dunn, or, gulp, Manny Ramirez doesn’t make a lot of sense, as then the Giants would have huge commitments for 2/3rd of their outfield until the end of time. There’s no way that would end well.

I dunno. November spitballin’ is all this is. If I had to choose between $60M to Pat Burrell or $130M to Mark Teixeira, I’d choose Teixeira. For the extra two years and $6M or $8M annually, at least you’re getting a guy who is in the top third of his position and younger than 30. The corner-outfielder market is a big ol’ pile of expensive pyrite this year. But if the choice is between Aaron Rowand playing for the Giants in 2012 or Pat Burrell playing for the Giants in 2012, I’m somewhat intrigued.

Really, I like comedy more than baseball, so I’m actually pulling for the Giants to sign Pat Burrell (LF), Manny Ramirez (CF), and Adam Dunn (RF). But this is an Open Hey Could the Giants Actually Go for a Corner Outfielder?-Thread.

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by Grant on Nov 19, 2008 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You should twitter about that

Oh wait, too many characters for that too.

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by j14 on Nov 19, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gah

I thought that was a hornets nest on top of Manny’s head.

Guess I was wrong.

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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 19, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I want that outfield. NOW!

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by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

pretty sucky defense right there

then again, offset by 130 HR / 350 RBI…I guess I could live with that.

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by Giants_Junkie on Nov 19, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That outfield

Would lead the league in home runs hit and inside-the-park home runs allowed.

by sfmaynard on Nov 19, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No Range? No Problem! No Errors!

by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunn in right - wotta kneeslapper.

Separate RBI category – Runs Botched In

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by victor frankenstein on Nov 19, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you know, if you don't want to write about the giants

every day, you could just give us updates on the baby – I’m sure we’d be just as interested. You know, what color was her poop today? much spit-up lately? gotten any sleep? all that good stuff.

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by wjackalope on Nov 19, 2008 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

what color was her poop today

Her poop is that of a fine mustard and minced veal ragu, thanks for asking.

by Grant on Nov 19, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This just blew my mind.

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by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ok next questions

what color is minced veal ragu?

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by wjackalope on Nov 19, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This could become a fairly circular conversation.

I’m willing to bet that it’s the same color as Grant’s baby’s poop was today.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the only way to answer this...

photos!

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by wjackalope on Nov 20, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Facebook, man! I have a whole poop album!

by Grant on Nov 21, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Note to self:

Refrain from reading McCovey Chronicles during lunch break.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yea come on man..

You have to eat during your lunch break. You have to waste time during work. 1+2=3

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Grant...

It only gets worse. On the bright side. She can wear Giants onezees. And you can raise her to love her Tim and Madison….

by Maxima231 on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But Madison will be the name of 17 of her classmates, and that’ ll be confusing.

by Grant on Nov 19, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But Madbum will be the only one that’s male, so that should help.

by mxmob33 on Nov 19, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe we should just speculate about WHEN the moves will happen, and less about the actual players.

I say no more big moves until right after the Winter Meetings.

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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 19, 2008 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Center fielders?

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Nov 19, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nick Swisher

was the answer. Dunn, Burrell, etc. are not the answer

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

This

Rowand for Swisher, with other pieces thrown in as necessary. That was the best deal that never happened. :(

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by hairball on Nov 19, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

Benitez for Burrell was the best deal that never happened. Rowand for Swisher was up there, though.

Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.

by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If you've got...

“Pat Burrell (LF), Manny Ramirez (CF), and Adam Dunn (RF)” then I guess that Winn is at third and Schierholtz is at first right? I think Nate played some first before…

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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Pop goes Groud

Or Groug, or is it Droug?

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by hairball on Nov 19, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I think moving Winn to get Burrell makes more sense than moving Rowand. I think the next good Giants team is going to get 15-25 HRs from a lot of guys rather than 40+ from 1 or 2 guys.

The extra pop that Rowand brings over Winn has value.

LF – Burrell
CF – Rowand
RF – Lewis

That outfied would be good for between 60-75 HRs.

I’d still rather have Texiera, though.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 19, 2008 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The extra pop that Rowand brings over Winn has value.

Winn out-SLG’d Rowand by 16 points last year.

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by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I consider Rowand’s 2nd half to be fluky and/or injury related. Under normal circumstances, I’d expect him to out-SLG Winn by 25-40 points.

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by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But that’s the rub, he’s only going to get older and more injured.

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by xanthan on Nov 20, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He’s 4 years younger than Winn, and has better career power numbers. I’m guessing that he out slugs Winn by about 20 points next year.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe, he still sucks.

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by xanthan on Nov 20, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Eh, when you adjust for park value Winn and Rowand’s career SLG% are pretty much the same. They’re both about .430 SLGgers, which frankly kind a blows anyway.

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by Roger on Nov 21, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I was aware of the park effects

My very scientific calculation was:

Rowand SLG – Winn SLG = 30
30 – 20 (park effects) = 10
10 + 10 (age differnce) = 20

QED

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 21, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can’t argue with science!

But as Indiana says, “it’s not the years, it’s the mileage.” Did you account for the mileage? Well? Did you?

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Nov 21, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Obviously the real question is which center fielder is going to be joining us this year. How about Rocco Baldelli? I can see Sabes trading Winn for a reliever or something and then signing Baldelli to a two-year incentive-laden contract to take his place.

by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I’m intrigued by Baldelli, but I’m afraid if Sabes kicked his tires he might break into a million pieces.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 19, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I AM GETTING UNUSUALLY FATIGUED HERE

by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice avatar for that comment.

by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This free agent class=whole lot of ugly

Skip it! If Sabean’s head will explode if he doesn’t sign hitters, just pick up Casey Blake and be done with it. If we can get him for a short contract (2 years?) that would be great. Probably the least damage that could be done.

by Gregjitsu on Nov 19, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ugly? really? Looks like a pretty great class to me.

I’m curious to see how the incipient depression affects free-agent salaries. Could be a lot of good bargain signings this year. Of course, they won’t turn out to be good signings if no one can afford to go to baseball games next year.

by Evan on Nov 19, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Giants may have an advantage here...

in that many of their season ticket holders (or Charter seat holders?)
have signed a contract stating they will buy their tickets for x amount
of years in exchange for a fixed (actually a small % increase) price.

Of course, some people could sign and default, but they still have a
pretty good idea what attendance will be.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 19, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

re: sign & default

OH NOES!

It’s the sid-bream crisis!

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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I don’t think there’s much of a commitment from us charter seat holders. Our incentive for continuing to pony up is keeping the right to our good seats.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I should qualify that

“It looks ugly for the Giants”

The players that fit the team best (Tex and Sabathia) will be bid through the roof by the Wankees and BoSox, Angels….etc.

Players that we could realistically sign don’t fit the team particularly well-there are some slugging OFer’s available, but our outfield actually doesn’t suck too much. If we replace FLew, we’ll be losing one of last year’s most consistent offensive producers. Or we block Schierholtz. Etc. If we make any moves involving an OFer, it should be us trading Rowand away, moving Winn to CF, and starting Nate. The goal shouldn’t be to replace Flew, it should be to replace a position that didn’t produce much last year-our infield,particularly at the corners.

by Gregjitsu on Nov 19, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, it’s a much stronger free agent class than it’s been in a few years. I mean, last year the top pitcher was Carlos Silva & apart from A-Rod the best position players were the likes of Rowand & Lowell!

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by GiantFan on Nov 20, 2008 5:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

CASEY BLAKE'S POOPIN!

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

DO NOT WANT

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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 19, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Nov 19, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

YEY!

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

IRL ROFL

by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My question:

If you’re going to poop without pulling down your pants, is it still necessary to squat?

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You can go #2 standing up?

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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 20, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve never tried, but that’s my point. I always thought the reason we squat is because we don’t want poop on us. To anyone pooping with their pants on, that would not seem to be a concern.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think squatting is also conducive to pooping. I don’t know how to better say it, but yeah, I think it makes it easier.

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by marcello on Nov 20, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Try both methods and get back to us.

As they say in the cop shows, “I want a report on my desk Monday morning.”.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s going to be a messy report.

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by marcello on Nov 20, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno..

I’ve used a half squat when I’m backpacking and it works just fine. That’s really just so it doesn’t fall on my shoes.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

since you don’t know shit from Shinola

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Psh..

I learned from the best.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!

by NuschlerFace on Nov 19, 2008 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

+1

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Nov 19, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Man, why would you even want to put a gerbil there?

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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I could tell you, but then I’d have to buy you a gerbil.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Should have been a fan shot
-or-
looks shopped

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!

by NuschlerFace on Nov 19, 2008 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

he has a point.

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by redhornet78 on Nov 19, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah but does he have to shout?

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by Mr Scruff on Nov 19, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And you got it out ALIVE? I’m disgusted, but impressed.

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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gerbils..

One of the most disgusting takes on a blank post ever.

And hey, weren’t we trying to do this for Barry Zito’s mother? why couldn’t we figure it out?

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

By the way...

We were trying to make a blank post not shove a gerbil anywhere.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yea..

I had to cover myself. After I posted that I was a little scared that would be taken out of context a bit. not that that ever happens here.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You had to cover yourself? Eeeeeeeew.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Even Burrell or Dunn > Winn or Rowand isn’t a big enough upgrade to make a big difference. Manny Ramierez, maybe. Burrell or Dunn > Ishikawa/Phelps is probably worth it though.

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by zenbitz on Nov 19, 2008 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It's kind of surprising to me

how few teams seem to be in on Tex right now. Somebody on XM today characterized the situation as the Angels bidding against themselves which doesn’t seem too far off. The Yankees don’t seem to want to get involved (as they want to spend 1 billion dollars on the the rotation) nor do the Red Sox and with those two teams out of the bidding things instantly seem to get more sane. It doesn’t look like the Cubs can afford it, so other than a giant bid coming in from Baltimore, I’m not sure what parties are really going to drive his contract to the upper limits.

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by Roger on Nov 19, 2008 2:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

with Swisher in tow

I don’t see why the yankees would have interest in Teixeira, although I suppose they could let Abreu walk

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My fake Giants rumor

Also known as my “I wish this would happen” rumor.

Rowand +cash or C prospect to White Sox for Javier Vasquez.

Couldn’t we use a good and astonishingly underrated pitcher for an affordable and short term contract? Williams likes Rowand, and wants to get rid of Vasquez – I say we help him do it. Then we sign a corner outfielder as mentioned above (I would prefer Dunn), and use Jonathan Sanchez to get the infield bat we all want.

The strange thing is that I can see Kenny Williams doing this one before I can see Sabean doing it…which is depressing, because Williams would be the clear loser on that deal (depending the cash or quality of the prospect that we send over).

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by Ott on Nov 19, 2008 3:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Vazquez...

has a full NTC and HATES the west coast

Won’t happen, even if KW could be convinced

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by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly...

Sabean has done some stupid things in the past that seemed obviously wrong. Rowand and Zito at the head of the list… (hey at least he didnt sign Andruw Jones or Juam Pierre). Seems to me that Dunn and Burrell would have some power sapped by the park. If its my 130M.. I go right after CC. He would pick SF or LA over the NYY if the money is close. Here in NJ the papers are just going nuts that the Yanks will be livid if CC doesnt sign with them and takes less money..lol.
But after Tex, does anyone really excite you on offense? Or should the Giants just trade Rowand anyway, and sign nobody… And let the team acquire another high pick, get Zito a year closer to going away, and wait for the stud 4 (Posey, Bumgarner, Alderson and Villalona) to get closer to the majors. What do you guys think?

by Maxima231 on Nov 19, 2008 3:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i get reasonably excited about burrell. i wanted him back when he was a salary dump and he added the giants to his list of players he’d take a trade too… sabes blew that one. maybe in this market he could be had for a two or three year deal that wouldn’t break the bank. and then maybe sabes would be inclined to deal rowand and/or winn to free up some monies?

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by jasomack on Nov 19, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, the team needs to find a real hitter somewhere. I don’t know whether it’s rational or not, but for some reason, I’d be OK signing an outfielder, then trading Rowand — not so OK if we sign an outfielder, then trade Winn.

by Dan from NM on Nov 19, 2008 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

In theory I agree with you.

In practice I need to see Sabean move 1-2 of the Vet outfielders first.( Get that shipping label away from Lewis or you get the cattle prod in the nads!!) Vet outfielders that might be able to man center is crack and our roster is not large enough for 3 of those guy fighting for a corner outfield spot, another vet and anything useful the the farm puts up in the next 18 months.

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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 6:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I see no chance of trading Rowand, he was exposed as what he is, an ok fielder with a horrible arm, and ok bat. That is not worth what he was paid and I dont believe any GM will want that unless we deal for an equally bad or worse contract. Or eat a ton of the money, in that case we should keep him cause he is still pretty ok.

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by jbowl on Nov 19, 2008 9:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I am open to this … any sugestions?

Personally I find myself in Grant’s camp here. It’s Sabean making the same stupid set of choices over & over that iratest me most about Rowand. In a smaller Outfield or a team with more Offense he is still a suitable player.

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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats the thing, I cant think of a GM that would take Rowands contract, even if we eat some. I’m afraid that Rowand stays at least for 3 years of his contract.

I can haz homerunz!

by jbowl on Nov 20, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As for the 3 years That might be a year too late. I think once he shows constiantly poorly in CF the potional matchs get a lot shorter.

While Rowand is no prize he isn’t exactly in the Juan Pierre/Andruw Jones/ Sarge Jr category either. If he is in a smaller yard I think he would do well enough in CF. Or If it’s a team on a short term ( win now) footing with hole in center that needs filling for a season or two he would be useful. Not necessarily enough that they go nuts for him but they would consider him.

I figure get a list were their between the lines interests might make incline them to listen then see what mistakes they have on the payroll and how desperate the might be.
So what Cubs, NYY, White Sox? Maybe toss ATL in there if they wanted stability and managed to pick up a couple starters with off season. Any one else jump off the page ?

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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I like the Ynakees the best, they have the money to eat a contract like Rowands and I feel like Sabean ties to NY may still exist. Plus its not like we would need a ton in return, so out of possible suitors I like our fit with Yanks the best. But Atl is a wild card here, if they get Pevy and Furcal then they may feel like they have a shot and they are looking for an outfielder, right?

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by jbowl on Nov 20, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would say Atl has large OF problems. Outside of Blanco (366/309 obp /slg) the next best probably Francoeur ( 294/359 in 2008) and pray he gets things together. Both will only be 25 next year. If your rebuilding they are not a bad pair but if your a team making run is that good enough for you?

Their biggest commitment not named Chipper is Hudson 13MM ‘09 12MM mutual option of ‘10 ( 1MM buy out). Not a lot on that angel to work with.

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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d imagine if we were to go after Dunn or Burrell there’d be more chance of them playing 1B than us trading Rowand or Winn. I’d imagine there’s no chance that Rowand will be moved & i’d be very surprised to see Winn going anywhere.

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by GiantFan on Nov 20, 2008 5:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

The idea of Burrell is really growing on me

I looked up his HR’s on hittracker over the last 3 years, and every single one of them would have also been out in ATT.

I don’t see the park hurting him much at all.

Plop him down at first.

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by FairweatherFan on Nov 20, 2008 7:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I agree,

but only if he plays 1B. I would not want him in the OF.

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by marklar on Nov 20, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, Please!

Burrell was a third baseman in the minors and he played first during his rookie season. The Phils would have moved him back to first by now if not for Howard. All this talk of CC, Hudson and Furcal is killing me – it simple doesn’t address the primary needs of the Giants, plus it locks up too much money in the future. Just sign Burrell and “plop him down at first.” A three year deal would work. If the Giants really want to complete a successful off-season they can also move Sanchez (plus another prospect, maybe) for a thirdbase prospect/someone blocked by a veteran. Let Burriss have short and let Frandsen and Valez take a shot a second. That seems like a reasonable strategy that doesn’t really mortgage the future.

by Dedalus on Nov 22, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

well except for our utter lack of a major-league capable MI.

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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

threeway

we send Rowand and a prospect to chisox
they send javier vasquez to philly
we get burrell in a sign and trade
or somethin like that

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by foothillsfan on Nov 20, 2008 9:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Sign and trades are realy more of Basketball thing to avoid the cap, I believe.

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by jbowl on Nov 20, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Help me out here. Isn’t Burrell a FA? Why would we have to trade anything to anyone to get him?

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by Goofus on Nov 20, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"sign and trade"?

Maybe this is what he’s talking about, that he’d be re-signed but then traded. Or be traded now so that we have the rights to negotiate with him before any other team does.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

of course sign and trades don’t really exist in baseball

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by jponry on Nov 20, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wrongo!

see : Deivi Cruz sign a rookie card

see : that rookie card traded for illegal stimulants!

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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 20, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy is available to NL West teams, except Colorado.

He is fine with staying in the NL West as long as it is in a pitcher’s park (I wonder what park in the Bay Area fits that description?)

Atlanta was being asked to send a top-tier minor league SS, Yunel Escobar, and two minor league pitchers and an outfielder to the Padres for Peavy. The Braves balked at sending Escobar, and the talks ended. Obviously, we don’t have a top-tier minor league SS, but we do have some highly regarded other pieces on the roster or in the pipeline.

He has four more years at a reasonable $63 million left under his contract.

What about Peavy, to go with Lincecum and Cain, instead of paying well over $20 million for CC?

What would you be willing to send to San Diego, say in addition to Jonathan Sanchez and Joe Martinez, to land Peavy for the next four years?

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by Buck Henry on Nov 20, 2008 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

And I might add,

if the Giants swoop in and land Peavy out from under the Braves, Atlanta wouldn’t be sending Escobar away and their pursuit of Furcal would also end.

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by Buck Henry on Nov 20, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

giants sign 3b jesus guzman

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For most of the off-season, it appeared that the Oakland A’s were going to be able to re-sign minor league free agent Jesus Guzman, who won the Texas League batting title this season, his first as part of the A’s organization. However, at the last minute, the A’s cross-town rivals, the San Francisco Giants, got Guzman to sign with them instead. The Giants are looking at a wide open competition at third base next season, and Guzman may have figured that the Giants presented a better big league opportunity than the A’s.

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by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 20, 2008 12:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs