Beltre boosting
by foothillsfan on Nov 19, 2008 10:55 AM PST
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in post season flurry of stats, lots of love for Beltre. In a top 50 list, and rated 4th best 3B overall at our sibling "beyond the box score"
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/31/649202/best-third-basemen-of-2008
Somebody on the Cincy Reds site says Adrian "doesn't want to play for a team in rebuilding mode" like the Mariners.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/31/649202/best-third-basemen-of-2008 But trade wise, that is not his decision, is it? In contract year, the guy is gonna give the best performance he can.
so for my $.02, I'd rather pursue Beltre than all those shortstops who, especially in 2nd and 3rd year of contract likely no better than Manny B. Burriss looks to have an upside with the bat, especially since he covers shortstop decently. Put him at second, the value declines a lot
Meanwhile Jayson Stark says Astros are trying to move Tejada to drop payroll. Maybe something could be worked out there. I realize his hitting has been declining for 4 years, gradually lost 100 in the slugging column.
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It’s all about the cost. I think he’s a fine solution at third, and would prefer it to the SSs being mentioned.
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by bgunn on Nov 19, 2008 11:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beltre is my favorite option for 3B
I think he’ll have a huge year since he’s going to be playing for his last big contract and we should be able to collect on some high draft picks when he leaves for FA.
by superk1ng on Nov 19, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention, getting out of Safeco should help his numbers immensely.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this!
his home/away splits pretty much some it up.
2005 OPS is 42 points better on the road.
2006 OPS is a mere 27 points better on the road.
2007 OPS is 113 points better on the road.
2008 OPS is 158 points better on the road.
That’s pretty much a reverse maverick Coors Field effect to my eyes.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
becuase I have to snark on someone other than Giants_Junkie
home/away splits are basically useless.
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by zenbitz on Nov 19, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say useless, they can be used to highlight how a players overall line is misleading.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re misleading when people assume that they are entirely due to park effects. But considering that most players hit better at home, I think this split is not useless at all.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d much rather just use a stat that’s park adjusted than tossing out half of someones performance. It’s not that hard to find park adjusted stats.
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by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the smarter more efficient way to do it.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah i do agree with you in that, although one thing to consider is that park effects don’t account for whether you’re a right or left handed hitter, which in some cases can be different. For example for a Giants player, a left handed hitter is disadvantaged in comparison & equally a right handed Mariners player (such as Beltre) is disadvantaged.
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by GiantFan on Nov 20, 2008 6:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, Safeco is killer to right-handed power-hitters.
And that’s pretty much Beltre’s offensive game in a nutshell.
He’s obviously not as good of a fielder as the metrics had him in 2008 (+20 runs-ish), but he’s still one of the best, probably in the +10 to +12 range. Definitely underrated.
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by Sky Kalkman on Nov 19, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Beltre a lot but I’m still not entirely sure what the Mariners are going to ask for him. Are they aware of how good a player he is?
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2008 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
this is the team that moved ichiro out of center to make room for no one, and has had plans to use mike morse at 1b. i hope we get more of the same from the new gm.
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by jasomack on Nov 19, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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MMM paste. It’s great chaser after sniffing glue.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cost is the issue...
Beltre will cure be costly and I just don’t know if he’s worth going after given the state of the club. It’s not like he’s THE missing piece to this club, he’s one of MANY
Once scenario I’d think about. If we got Beltre (say for Fred Lewis) how about bring back Bonds to roam LF?
If we’re trying to win, we might as well try to become as good as possible. He’ll take whatever we’ll pay him and would probably love to play again.
We have enough 4th OF types to justify it, even if we can only expect 100 games from him or so
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
what's "win?"
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by jasomack on Nov 19, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the right fielder.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre is young enough you don’t have to go straight into "Win Now Damn it!" mode.
If he was a free agent right now I would think he is a far better choice then Furcal for sureing up the left side of the infield. If for no other reasons Beltre is pretty much healthy and hits in the hart of the order. The later is something this team could really use.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre might not be the missing piece by himself, but he and Texiera would make the team contenders for the NL West.
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by Goofus on Nov 19, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds is no longer an option.
If we were going for broke, all-out 2009, Astros 2008 style:
Trade for Beltre
Sign Teixeira
Sign Furcal
This would be a competitive lineup in the west:
Furcal
Winn
Beltre
Teixeira
Lewis
Molina/Sandoval
Rowand
Burriss/Frandsen
This would shore up both offense and infield defense, our two main problems from last year.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you been talking to Hank Paulson?
by wilriv21 on Nov 19, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I definitely don’t think it should be done, but if the mandate was to win in 2009, that would be my way. It would be much easier financially if we hadn’t signed Zito and Rowand (beat dead horse here).
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why Bonds would no longer be an option
if your actual goal is to win games, no player should be excluded.
I know Bonds won’t ACTUALLY play in 09, but in theory, it makes sense
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With over a year off, at his age, I’d be really skeptical of what he could contribute.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can still shoot stuff.
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by xanthan on Nov 19, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So I’ve seen, in an awesomely edited video.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG WATCH OUT MARCELLO
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It's headed straight for me!
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man..
I hope this goes into contstant circulation somehow.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing. A random insertion into a conversation may be it’s best use.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 19, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for a million dollars or two
I think it’s a better gamble than any other use of that money.
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
League minimum or nothing at this point, given the demand for his services.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
eh, there's a respect issue
I don’t think you’d want to dishonor Bonds to the public by saying he was worth the “league minimum”. A million or two still gives him some respect and still allows for the public image to be “Bonds played for near the minimum”.
Even tell him and his publicist to write a story where Bonds sent in a one year contract to the Giants and left the dollar amount blank.
Bringing Bonds back would easily add 5+ million dollars worth of revenue
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess, if you’re considering things other than the bottom line, then yes. I’m still very skeptical of his ability to play after this much time off and every extra dollar increases the risk.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how big a factor that is...
Naturally we assume it’s horrible, but Bonds says he keeps himself in baseball shape and takes BP consistently.
In 2005 when he came back he hadn’t been in a game for about a year and looked tremendous.
He’s a special player, and while I don’t anticipate him being even the same as was in 06-07, I still think he’d be our best hitter, albeit that is not saying much
In truth, it’s really impossible to know what Bonds will be like, but it doesn’t seem like he just retired and has been watching Captain Kangaroo at home. The guy keeps himself in shape and WANTS to play again
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to the level he had just been at, it was a pretty drastic drop off in 2005. That was in going from his age 39 to 40 season. We’re now talking about going from his age 42 to 44 season.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that dropoff
I think it clearly had more to due with his injury, not the layoff. He wasn’t the same player since the elbow surgery, but he was still very good
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
knee surgery...whoops (altho elbow happened too)
his 2005 was similar to his 06-07 levels, which were what he had become due to age/surgery. To me, that shows the rust had nothing to do with 05 performance, he was performing at his new level
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's called burning bridges, my friend.
After the less-than-friendly separation, I don’t see any situation in which Bonds would return.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he would be happy to
The guy just wants a job
The Giants organization would be the ones that would never consider it
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think “roam” is the proper way to expect Bonds to play left field these days. I think if he raced the new Orlando Cepeda statue that race would end up in a tie. Not only that, he might be spending part of the 2009 season in prison, followed by a lengthy suspension, and that could be a problem.
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by rxmeister on Nov 19, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have long been a proponent of getting Beltre
the Giants have absolutely no in house options for a 3B for the 2009 season (I think Pablo Sandoval playing 3B everyday would be comical) so they are going to have to bring somebody in. I would much rather take the last year of Beltre’s contract than commit to a 3 year contract for Joe Crede or Casey Blake. I think there is a chance that Beltre can have a breakout year leaving Safeco, returning to the NL West, and playing for his last big MLB payday. But even if he doesn’t, I would rather let him walk and take the draft pick or two (he will be a type B at least) than to have money committed to Blake/Crede for 2011. I don’t think the Mariners are going to ask too much for him because they need to clear salary and move forward with their rebuilding process.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 19, 2008 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This makes absolute sense to me, as well.
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by Lyle on Nov 20, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
- What would the Mariners be willing to accept for Beltre?
- What would the Giants offer up in trade?
- Would it cost Alderson? Tanner? Scheirholtz?
by wilriv21 on Nov 19, 2008 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Along these lines,
-Would you trade Pucetas and Martinez plus a PTBNL for Beltre?
-Would you trade Winn to the Cubs for D. Lee?
-Would you trade Rowand to the White Sox for Javier Vasquez?
-Would you trade Sanchez and Taschner to the Brewers for JJ Hardy?
-Would you trade Molina to the Mets for Jon Niese?
-Would you be willing to get by for a year with an outfield of Lewis/Roberts/Shierholtz?
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by Buck Henry on Nov 19, 2008 1:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Martinez would be a perfect fit since he could DH and fans who hung on to their “E. Martinez” jerseys could wear them again!
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by Goofus on Nov 19, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant Joe Martinez, but I may be mistaken.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cha
Cha
cha
Cha, eh maybe
Cha
eh
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by CB30 on Nov 19, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
No
FUCK yes
No
Maybe
No
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes…Mariners wouldn’t
Probably…even though I know the risk that comes along with it
Yes…Vazquez would veto the trade
Probably
Yes, absolutely
No
by NeifiChicken on Nov 19, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1) Yes, definitely. The Mariners wouldn’t though, as i’m sure they’d want a higher upside prospect.
2) Yes. I don’t see why the Cubs would do that, it’d be creating a hole to fill a hole.
3) Yes. I don’t think Vasquez would agree to come to the West Coast though.
4) Yes. I’m skeptical as to whether the Brewers would do that, given Sanchez’s unpredictability.
5) Yes, probably. No idea if the Mets would do it.
6) Not unless we had something else in mind, in which case you’d probably only do one of the Rowand/Winn trades.
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by GiantFan on Nov 20, 2008 6:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw – not w/o an extension. I just wait tell next winter.
Meh – That’s a coin flip for me. I would almost rather pay the Razor and Damon Bruce to follow Winn around all season then offer him Arbitration. That should insure he we get picks … right? Funny but Cedeno & Pie would almost seem more tempting.
Yah! – 2yrs 11.5mm per trumps 4 yrs at 12MM per year. Then you could also look into( but take home only one of) Furcal, Dunn or Burrell and still plenty of payroll flexibility down the road. But then there is the NTC. So much for that.
Yah- though I doubt the Brewers do it.
Yah – but again not sure the Mets do that. At not before July and without have decimated catchers corps. Or did their view on Niese drop when I was not looking?
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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 7:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And on the last one. Depends what the rest of the roster looks like. But in principle I am not adverse to it.
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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2008 7:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
41 comments and no one has said Beltre is a glorified Pedro Feliz. Praise be to God.
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by Goofus on Nov 19, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Progress!
we’ve done a lot of work on that.
Also Dallas McPherson and Mike Jacobs aren’t good.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we still liked Dallas McPherson.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For me, he’s like Mike Jacobs. Perfectly fine if you’re paying him the league minimum.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a pretty backhandy complement.
McPherson’s impressive looking minor league numbers from last year are crazy league and park inflated.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they are. I think you could get value from him at league minimum though.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea..
But I thought McPherson had at least some patience to go along with power. He’s usually posted in the .380+ range for OBP besides his 2007 season.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 20, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His average troubles will keep his OBP down though.
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by marcello on Nov 20, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or rather, his average from the minors has no chance of holding up in the majors, due to the parks he’s played in and his contact issues.
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by marcello on Nov 20, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McPherson isn't a great bet, but...
Until we get a legitimately better option, I like gambling on his talent over a lot of people. His talent was very real when he is a top prospect, and that alone warrants him a chance over a lot of the guy we have.
Ideally, we could get a safer bet, but McPherson does have upside, however low of a percentage it might be for him to reach it
by NeifiChicken on Nov 20, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ve got no problem with him at league min.
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by marcello on Nov 20, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
is pretty much a glorified Pedro Feliz. Oh, but such GLORY!
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by zenbitz on Nov 19, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't agree more
he had 1 great year, is really good defensively and the OBP tells you he’s not very good offensively. he’s also expensive and i bet he’d cost us a good prospect or two. he’d be good pick-up if he came cheaply though.
by mark30perq3 on Nov 19, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some days I hate the internet.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by WalrusMan on Nov 19, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fortunately there is plenty of true information in the URL.
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by groug on Nov 19, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping that link would take me to some nice charts and graphs
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 20, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Xanthan, put some charts and graphs on that, and make it snappy!
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by Natto on Nov 20, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AH!
You have fallen into my trap. This graph is misleading because of the cherry picked end points. For example, Albert Pujols or Tim Lincecum would be a 8000000 on this graph, and from that scale, Beltre (75) is approximately equal to Feliz (+150)
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by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lies!
Feliz’s range was -150 to 0
Your numbers are LIES!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 21, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
on my scale
the typo from -150 to +150 is also irrelevant.
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by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think any of this is true. Well, ok, this is true:
he’d be good pick-up if he came cheaply though.
But that’s a statement that can be said about anyone. I use it often.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This has to be a regular posting with a fake name.
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by jbowl on Nov 19, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the 6 point plan by Buck gets a nice lineup
the offer for Beltre…considering it is a 1 year rental, maybe too much, those are 2 starters with signigicant potential, and Mariners have fleeced us for pitching before. Would try and dial it down a bit.
Rowand for Vasquez? sounds unlikely. Rotoworld’s player page says Vazq would refuse trades to the West Coast; also Chisox want an infielder like Julio Lugo. so the outfield would be Lewis/Rowand/Scheirholz, us mcoveners are cool with that.
Hardy? He’s only 26, power has been improving. I like him way better than FurCabreRenta. But rotoworld says Rickie Weeks is the one Brewers want to unoad, and JJ goes to second. ALSO I still like Burriss at short, why not save resources for a year and see if he continues to develop…
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by foothillsfan on Nov 19, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think the Sanchez and Taschner for Hardy thing was sarcasm
there is no way in bloody hell the Brewers would consider that.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 19, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless we threw in Cain.
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by The Thrill on Nov 19, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was partly sarcasm, because the Brewers' fans
think the team should get Cain and several of our top prospects for Hardy.
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by Buck Henry on Nov 19, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw the title
and thought it would be news of Beltre transfusing himself with oxygen – rich blood a la the ’84 Olympic cycling team.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 19, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really like Beltre & he’s a very underrated player so would love us to go after him. The main problem i see is that he’s only got a year’s contract left, which would mean you wouldn’t want to give up too much.
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by GiantFan on Nov 20, 2008 6:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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