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McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List: #9

The great freeze has been thawed, and thus, we move on.  Poll ends at 7PM PST (I think) on Wednesday.

1. SP Madison Bumgarner
2. "C" Buster Posey
3. SP Tim Alderson
4. 1B Angel Villalona

5. 2B Nick Noonan
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie

7. SP Henry Sosa
8. OF Rafael Rodriguez

Today's Contestants on "The Prospect is Right"

Ehire Adrianza, SS, 19 - Hit .241/.351/.325 in 2007 over 249 AB in the DSL with 41 BB and 37 K.  Hit .288/.382/.409 in 2008 over 66 AB, mostly in Rookie Ball with 9 BB and 6 K.  He is an excellent defensive SS and scouts love him.

Scott Barnes, LHP, 21 - Pitched 90.1 innings at St. John's in 2008 with 90 K, 45 BB, 3 HR, 1.26 WHIP, and 3.69 ERA as a junior.  Pitched 43.2 innings in the minors in 2008, mostly at A-Ball Augusta, with 63 K, 12 BB, 0 HR, 0.67 WHIP, 1.38 ERA, and ~40% groundball rate.  He throws a high 80's, low 90's fastball, a slider, and a change.

Brandon Crawford, SS, 21 - Drafted 2008, #117 overall.  Hit .335/.404/.504 over 248 AB with 25 BB and 58 K his sophmore year of college at UCLA in 2007.  Hit .302/.394/.491 over 232 AB with 31 BB and 59 K his junior year.  He is another toolsy player considered to have not broken out yet.

Travis Ishikawa, 1B, 25 - Drafted 2002, #637 overall.  Hit .260/.355/.454 over ~2500 AB in the minors across all levels.  Broke out in 2008 with a .291/.382/.462 line in AA and a .310/.370/.737 line in AAA before hitting .274/.337/.432 in the majors.  He is also a great defensive firstbaseman.

Wendell Fairley, OF, 20 - Drafted 2007, #29 overall.  Hit .259/.388/.337 over 193 AB in Rookie Ball in 2008 with 26 BB and 37 K.  He has incredible tools with plus raw power and great speed.

Roger Kieschnick, OF, 21 - Drafted 2008, #82 overall.  Hit .302/.373/.621 over 232 AB with 24 BB and 44 K his sophmore year of college at Texas Tech in 2007.  Hit .305/.407/.632 over 220 AB with 35 BB and 42 K his junior year.  Is hitting approximately .294/.455/.471 in the HWL.  He is a big, toolsy player who is considered to have not broken out yet despite his good college numbers.

Joseph Martinez, SP, 26 - Drafted 2005, #372 overall.  Has thrown 547.2 innings in his 4 years of pro ball with an ERA of 3.40 and 1.17 WHIP.  Last season in AA he threw 148 innings with 131 H, 6 HR 37 BB 112 K for an ERA of 2.49 and 1.14 WHIP.  More of a finesse pitcher than anything, bat has continued to post good stats as he moves up in levels.

Osiris Matos, RP, 24 - Signed as an undrafted free agent in 2002.  Started his career as a starter and was converted to a reliever in 2006.  Last year in the majors his threw 20.2 innings and had a 4.79 ERA with a 1.69 WHIP, but in 36.2 innings in AA this year had a 1.23 ERA and a 0.98 WHIP.

Kevin Pucetas, RHP, 23 - Drafted 2006, #506 overall.  Over three seasons has thrown 342.2 IP, 300 H, 267 K, 69 BB, 17 HR, 1.08 WHIP, 2.47 ERA, and ~53% groundball rate across the three levels of A-ball.  In 2008 threw 125.1 IP, 115 H, 102 K, 27 BB, 6 HR, 1.13 WHIP, 3.02 ERA, and a 51% groundball rate in High-A.  He throws a high 80's, low 90's fastball, a fantastic change, a curve, and an in-progress slider.

Ryan Rohlinger, 3B/2B?, 25 - Drafted 2006, #176 overall.  Has played 3B in the minors but is being considered for 2B it seems.  Hit .235/.332/.415 in his first full season with 18 HR in the SAL league.  Hit for a better average last year in San Jose at .285/.368/.419 and posted a .855 OPS in a short AA trial before being called up to the big leagues to sit on the bench.  He's got good patience but probably not the power to stick at third.

Clayton Tanner, LHP, 20 - Drafted 2006, #89 overall.  Over three seasons has thrown 278.1 IP, 288 H, 213 K, 91 BB, 7 HR, 1.36 WHIP, 3.62 ERA, and ~56% groundball rate across the three levels of A-ball.  In 2008 threw 117.0 IP, 124 H, 84 K, 39 BB, 1 HR, 1.39 WHIP, 3.69 ERA, and a 55% groundball rate in High-A.  He throws a fastball, breaking ball, and change.

Testers: Justin Hedrick, Brian Anderson, Thomas Neal

Poll
Who is the Giants #9 prospect?
Ehire Adrianza
16 votes
Scott Barnes
10 votes
Brandon Crawford
7 votes
Travis Ishikawa
66 votes
Wendell Fairley
36 votes
Roger Kieshnick
90 votes
Joseph Martinez
2 votes
Osiris Matos
3 votes
Kevin Pucetas
74 votes
Ryan Rohlinger
1 votes
Clayton Tanner
11 votes

316 votes | Poll has closed

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Testers: EME, Matt Downs and Thomas Neal

by wilriv21 on Nov 17, 2008 2:43 PM PST   0 recs

KIESCHNICK

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 17, 2008 2:45 PM PST   0 recs

Me too. (I always wanted to say that on the Internet.)

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 17, 2008 2:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

guzenheit

"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Nov 17, 2008 2:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Now up to 46 strikeouts in 119 plate appearances.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 2:50 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oops, not quite that bad! 129, not 119.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 2:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Adam Dunn!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 17, 2008 3:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well, he shouldn’t be considered a top prospect if he hates baseball, should he?

Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly

by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2008 3:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Good comp! But at age 21, Adam Dunn was hitting more home runs and drawing more walks and striking out less than Roger Kieschnick is in Hawaii — only he was doing it in the big leagues.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 3:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I’m not being entirely serious.

And we’re not talking #1 prospect, we’re at #9. Come on!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 17, 2008 3:33 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I know. I’m just saying, he lasted till the third round, and his performance since then makes me want to drop his ranking rather than move him up, so I’m more interested in the younger, toolsier guys like Adrianza and Fairley.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 3:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I don’t really get what people like about Fairley at this juncture

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 17, 2008 3:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

TOOLS!

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by xanthan on Nov 17, 2008 4:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

There's no call for name-calling...

SFDugout.com is BACK! See the Top 50 Giants Prospects!

by BruteSentiment on Nov 17, 2008 7:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Nov 18, 2008 8:39 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

HBP?

The Frando factor?

Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping foot on American soil.

by BrianBokake on Nov 17, 2008 4:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ceiling!

Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.

by EliminateMe on Nov 17, 2008 4:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

POTENTIAL!

Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.

by ejdacanay on Nov 17, 2008 8:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

STATS!

waaaiiitt . . .

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 17, 2008 10:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I can see Adrianza, Evan, but Fairley’s only 14 months younger than Kiesch — that’s not exactly enough of an age difference to get excited about.

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Nov 19, 2008 10:42 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I’m thinking more Dave Kingman

by wilriv21 on Nov 17, 2008 3:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

There are worse things to be.

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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2008 3:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

If we got Dave Kingman out of him, I’d be pleased.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 17, 2008 3:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I’d rather he be good, but what are you going to do?

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 17, 2008 4:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hey, Kingman had a 115 career OPS+ and a few years of 120+. That’s pretty okay.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 17, 2008 4:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Brother could mash. It was hit or miss with Dave. Oh, and he played without a glove

by wilriv21 on Nov 17, 2008 5:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Doesn’t Kieschnick have a pretty good defensive reputation?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 17, 2008 5:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Have read conflicting reports. Some say 5 tool player. Another read needs to improve defensively.

by wilriv21 on Nov 17, 2008 5:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But nobody’s as bad as Kingman was.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 5:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

and to think he “played” some 3b

by wilriv21 on Nov 17, 2008 5:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

And pitched, too.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 17, 2008 11:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Good speed and arm, I believe. From the site that Evan linked to below:

His speed, arm strength and defensive skills are all average to plus tools, though he still needs work on getting better angles on balls in the outfield.

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by marcello on Nov 17, 2008 5:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

As much as I’ve been bashing Kieschnick, I am now formally throwing my support his way to stave off the twin low-upside threats of Ishikawa and Pucetas.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 6:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Is there anyone you actually favor here? Fairley?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 17, 2008 6:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Heh. I don’t know, at this point you’re basically choosing between players with potential who haven’t done anything yet and players with a solid minor-league track record but little chance to be stars in the majors. I’m biased toward the former, but since we have so little information about them, we’re basically choosing at random. I chose Adrianza, but I could be talked into several others without much trouble.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 8:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Evan hates everything!

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by xanthan on Nov 17, 2008 8:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No, just everything related to baseball.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 8:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Evan is Adam Dunn!

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 17, 2008 8:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I knew it!

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by xanthan on Nov 17, 2008 8:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

If ever there was a player that OPS+ was not well-equipped to evaluate, it was Dave Kingman. His career line was .236/.302/.478 coupled with stone-handed defense. He had a few good years in the middle of his career where he inexplicably hit for a high average, but most of his career was a study in how to hit a lot of home runs without actually being a good player.

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 18, 2008 7:22 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oh I wasn’t trying to say he was great or anything, but a Dave Kingman career would still be a lot better than anything we’ve gotten out of our farm system, hitting-wise, in awhile. And it seems like Kieschnick has better plate discipline than Kingman did anyway.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 18, 2008 7:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

The lack of plate discipline is an essential part of Kingmaniness. Otherwise it’s Killebrewiness.

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 18, 2008 8:14 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

ummmm

Harmon Killebrew isoOBP= .1.46875.

dude took a good share of walks.

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 19, 2008 10:26 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Wasn’t that the point? Kingmaniness + plate discipline = Killebrewiness.

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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2008 10:28 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

yup

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2008 11:00 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yes, but Jenny

…we want to set our sights a bit higher than that. Dave Kingman was/is the antithesis of what we need. Rob Deer also.

We shouldn’t be so desperate that we’d date just anybody that asked us out.

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by Lyle on Nov 18, 2008 12:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I know, I’m just saying. Maybe not actual Kingman-esque production, since obviously he was OBP-lite and SLG-heavy, but a 115 career OPS+ out of Kieschnick would be pretty cool.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 18, 2008 1:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

A major league career out of Kieschnick would be pretty cool.

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Nov 19, 2008 10:41 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

+1

Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect ranking before stepping foot on American soil.

by BrianBokake on Nov 17, 2008 4:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I said Ishi

He’s shown a little bit in the majors, and had a great bounceback year last year in AA/AAA.

by Hobbes2d on Nov 17, 2008 2:49 PM PST   0 recs

I’m with you. Ishi!

Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?

by Speedforthewin on Nov 17, 2008 8:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Why does the poll question ask who is #7? Alert! Election fraud! Alert! Damn you Diebold!

Oh yeah, I voted for Ishikawa.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 17, 2008 2:49 PM PST   0 recs

What?

I don’t see what you’re talking about. Are you on the pot again?

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by WalrusMan on Nov 17, 2008 3:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Listen

Where I’m sitting while typing my posts should be of no concern to you

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 17, 2008 3:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I know but, we care for you.

And if you’re seeing things, then that’s something we care about.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 17, 2008 3:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I’m gonna wait and see how it goes and then use my vote to try to tie it up.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 2:49 PM PST   0 recs

You're the one who admitted it...

And if it happens, it’s you who are banned.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 17, 2008 2:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i voted for clayton

cuz that’s my cat’s name.

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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 17, 2008 2:51 PM PST   0 recs

Kieshnick

My adopted son Matt Downs. Lost in the wilderness of mediocrity.

by nvsfg on Nov 17, 2008 2:53 PM PST   0 recs

Tough choice between Ishi and Schnick.

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Nov 17, 2008 2:56 PM PST   0 recs

Fairley, going with the upside!

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by xanthan on Nov 17, 2008 2:58 PM PST   0 recs

Scott Barnes!

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Nov 17, 2008 3:02 PM PST   0 recs

Matos, Rohlinger, and Martinez have pretty low ceilings.

Pucetas and Tanner have a little more upside, but neither has even seen AA yet.

Ishikawa also has little chance of being an impact player, but his chances of being a solid contributor are pretty good.

The rest are long-odds upside plays … I guess I’ll go with Adrianza just on a hunch.

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 3:03 PM PST   0 recs

Matos

Why does he have a low ceiling? In 67 innings last year at 3 levels he had 66 Ks. He’s always had a low ERA and WHIP since he’s turned into a reliever. I could see him topping out as a good 7th/8th inning guy. That’s worth, I dunno, about 4-5+ million a year.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 17, 2008 3:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But a strikeout an inning isn’t particularly great for a minor-league reliever. You want more than that.

Ryan Rohlinger has a decent shot at becoming the next Jack Hannahan or Pedro Feliz. Isn’t that about as valuable as a solid 7th/8th inning guy?

by Evan on Nov 17, 2008 3:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

does he?

I doubt his glove is anywhere near as good as Pedro’s

by NeifiChicken on Nov 17, 2008 4:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Pedro’s glove wasn’t anywhere near as good as Pedro’s, but he got better.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 17, 2008 4:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I’m not sure if Goofus is the one that’s been sniffin the dandelions if you know what i mean. . .

(i mean pot)

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 17, 2008 10:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

k per inning

Pretty sure Misch, Giese, and others had that a couple years back. Not uncommon.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Nov 18, 2008 3:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

well

He’s 20 and couldn’t hold his own at rookie ball; it’s pretty fair to be low on him.

by boonitez on Nov 17, 2008 6:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs