What could have been. (Edited) Have!!!
Grant's post on free agents who would cost a draft pick got me thinking of what talents the Giants have missed on acquiring because of signing free agents or making the wrong picks in the draft.

So I did some research on the picks the Giants lost for signing free agents that cost draft picks, the picks the Giants have acquired from other teams signing Giants' arbitration offer declined free agents and the available players that could have been taken with the pick the Giants had or would have kept if they didn't sign a certain free agent. My research goes back from the 2001 draft to the 2007 draft. I'm sure most of you McCoven will find this post informative, thought provoking and maybe a little depressing so I'll give you all a warning.
This post may cause some to feel depressed, lose sleep, have a lack of faith in baseball GMs whose first name is Brian, have "What could have been" syndrome and other related to, but not limited to, symptoms. Symptoms are normal and may cause severe blogging on internet sites related to the San Francisco Giants. Contact a certified McCovey Chronicles therapist if your symptoms persist after a week as these could be signs of a rare but serious condition. You should not read this post if you are pregnant, may become pregnant or thinking about impregnating someone as this post may cause a lack in self-esteem and or "mojo".
So now that that’s out of the way, let’s get started. (Giants' picks are in bold.)
In 2001 we had the #30 pick in the draft and acquired the #21 pick from the Indians for their signing of free agent Ellis Burks and also a supplemental pick, #41, for that same loss. The picks of note went as follows.
1st round
#21 Brad Hennessey RHP
Who was available?
Bobby Crosby SS(#25) and Jeremy Bonderman RHP(#26)
Sure both of these guys aren't studs, especially Crosby, but wouldn't you rather have them than Hennessey? Oh say what? Hennessey is gone. Whoa he couldn't get people out? That pick went well but there's more.
#30 Noah Lowry LHP (Last Pick of 1st Round)
Available:
David Wright 3B(#38)
Lowry is okay but no one in their right mind would rather have Lowry over Wright now. Get it? Wright now. Forget it that was completely unintentional. But anyway Wright was selected in the Supplemental 1st round and only 8 picks behind Lowry which wouldn't have made it a reach.
#41 Todd Linden OF (Supplemental Round) (#45-74 second round)
Available: Jason Nix SS(#44), Kelly Shopaach C(#48), #56 J.J. Hardy SS(#56), Dallas McPherson 3B(#57), Shelly Duncan 1B/OF(#62), Neal Cotts LHP(#69), Dan Haren RHP(#72)
I'll take Hardy because Haren seems too much of a reach but who cares it's all in the past now.
#74 Jesse Foppert RHP (last pick of 2nd rd.)
Available: Ryan Theriot SS(#78)
Would mind having him either.
#106 Juan Benavidez 3B
Available: Ricky Nolasco RHP(#108) and Josh Barfield 2B(#120)
#136 Josh Cram RHP
Available: Ryan Howard 1B(#140)
4 picks after Mr. Cram a Rookie of The Year, MVP, 2 time homerun king and World Series Champ was selected.
The Giants in 2002 kept all their their picks and weren't awarded any compensation picks.
#25 Matt Cain, RHP (1st Rd.) (Picks #42-72 second round)
Available: Joey Votto, 1b(#44), Jon Lester LHP(#57), Jonathan Broxton RHP(#60), Brian McCann, C(#64)
Excellent pick in Cain but Lester and McCann make me think, more so McCann.
#66 Fred Lewis, OF
Available: Elijah Dukes, OF(#74) and Curtis Granderson(#80)
That's pretty much it for 2002 as the rest are basically whatever.
In 2003 the Giants were awarded the Astros' 1st round pick, #22, and a supplemental pick, #34, for the Astros signing of Jeff Kent. But the Giants' pick, #26, was awarded to Oakland for the signing of Ray Durham. The Giants were also awarded the Phillies' second round pick, #55, for the signing of David Bell.
#22 Craig Whitaker (1st Rd.)
Available: Brandon Wood, SS(#23) and Chad Billingsley, RHP(#24)
Imagine Lincecum, Cain and Billingsley all on the same staff, but the thought of a power hitting 3B/SS in Wood is intriguing.
If the Giants hadn't signed Durham they would have kept the #26 pick and could have selected among the available players Daric Barton, 1B(#28), Carlos Quentin, OF(#29) and Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C(#36). These three are also in the conversation for the #22 pick.
#55 Todd Jennings, C (2nd Rd.)
Available: Andre Ethier, OF(#62)
I wouldn't mind having him in our outfield instead of Jennings playing a total of 12 games in the minors this year.
#63 Nate Schierholtz, 3B Seems to be the best of the players from this pick to the Giants' next selection, #93.
#93 Brian Buscher, 3B He’s actually done alright for himself, but in the Twins organization. Selected by Twins in 2006 Rule 5 draft from Giants.
Available: Matt Chico, LHP(#96) and Jonathan Papelbon, RHP(#114)
Papelbon anybody?
2004 was the year Brian Sabean gave their first round draft pick, #29, up for Michael Tucker. Who could they of gotten if they had never signed Tucker? How about J.P. Howell LHP taken #31 or Huston Street RHP who was take #40 or how about Reid Brignac SS (I forgot who thinks this guy is going to be a star but he looks to be good) taken #45 or how about young starter Yovani Gallardo RHP taken #46 overall. Then there was also Dustin Pedrioia 2B taken at #65 and Kurt Suzuki C taken #67. Not much after those players in this draft. Eddy Martinez-Esteve was taken #70 and John Bowker taken #100 that year.
Oh man this year is going to cause some heartbreak. In 2005 the Giants first pick, #22, was awarded to the Marlins because of the signing of Armando Benitez. The Giants 2nd round pick, #70, was awarded to the Cardinals because of the signing of Mike Matheny and the Giants 3rd round pick, #102, was awarded to the Indians for the signing of Omar Vizquel. So the Giants first selection was #142 all the way in the 4th round. For the Giants to have kept their 1st round pick they couldn't of signed any of the 3 free agents they signed in 05. Now let’s see the heartbreak.
#22 Aaron Thompson, LHP(Marlins pick from Giants)
Available: Jacoby Ellsbury OF(#22), Matt Garza RHP(#25), Craig Hansen RHP(#26), Colby Rasmus OF(#28), Travis Buck OF(#36), Clay Buchholz RHP(#42), Jed Lowrie SS(#45), Chase Headley 3B(#66)
#70 Joshua Wilson RHP (Cardinals pick from Giants)
Available: Yunel Escobar SS(#75) and Micah Owings RHP(#83)
#102 Jensen Lewis RHP (Indians pick from Giants)
Available: Jordan Schafer OF(#107), Matt Gamel 3B(#115) and Gaby Sanchez C(#126)
#132 Ben Copeland OF (First selection by Giants in 2005 draft)
Available: Brian Matusz LHP(#133)
Matusz, this year’s #4 overall pick, was selected by the Angels the pick after Copeland. Who knows if he would have signed with the Giants if they had selected him, probably not but you never know.
Not a bad draft this year. The Giants in 2006 were awarded a supplemental round pick, #33, for the Cubs signing of Scott Eyre. The Giants lost their 2nd round pick, (#54) for the signing of Matt Morris.
#10 Tim Lincecum RHP
The players taken between Lincecum and the Giants next pick, #33 are no one we would rather have than Lincecum or would really even consider, at least for now.
#33 Emmanuel Burris SS
Available: Joba Chamberlain RHP(#41)
I think he would be sad over here because he wouldn't have as much hype surrounding him.
#54 Thomas Furnish LHP (Cardinals pick from Giants)
Available: Trevor Cahill RHP(#66) and Justin Masterson RHP(#71)
Would you rather have taken one of these guys instead of signing Morris and later trading him for Rajai Davis and Stephen MacFarland? That's what I thought.
This draft is hard to judge as some players have yet to play much, some didn't put stand out numbers which doesn't have them on people's radar, and really it’s just hard to judge a draft this early but we'll look at it anyway. The Giants’ first pick was #10 overall. The Giants were awarded the Dodgers' first round pick, #22, for their signing of Jason Schmidt and a supplemental round pick, #43, as well for that loss. The Giants were also awarded the Mets' first round pick, #29, and a supplemental round pick, #32, for their signing of Moises Alou. The Giants were also awarded another supplemental round pick, #51, for the loss of Mike Stanton to the Reds.
But the Giants did lose some picks like their 2nd round pick, #74, to the A's for the signing of Barry Zito, their 3rd round, #104 to the Reds for the signing of Rich Aurilia and their 4th round pick, #134, to the Padres for the signing of Dave Roberts. So the Giants went from having 6 of the first 51 picks in the draft to 113 consecutive picks without a selection after the #51 overall pick. The Giants next pick was in the 5th round, #164. That's 3 more prospects who could turn into serviceable major leaguers, one of them might be this guy who was taken 2 picks after Oakland's selection of Grant Desme, #74, the pick from the Giants. But even if we didn't sign Zito, the Reds would have gotten that pick or the Padres would of if we hadn't sign Aurilia either.
Giants’ selections 2007
#10 Madison Bumgarner, LHP
#22 Tim Alderson, RHP
#29 Wendell Fairley, OF
#32 Nick Noonan, SS/2B
#43 Jackson Williams, C and #51 Charlie Culberson, SS
I know it would have been a stretch but Michael Stanton would have been a nice pick. I think Williams was a waste of a pick but hopefully he gives me reason to think otherwise.
So that's it. It's worth noting though that it’s not assured any of these players would be what they are today if the Giants had picked any of them. These players might of been busts, gotten to the level their at now earlier or later, or maybe even of been better but we don't know. Some of these players might have decided to stay in school if the Giants had picked them, again we don't know. But that’s all up for discussion. So let’s hear it.
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I can has time machine?
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Nov 17, 2008 5:08 PM PST 0 recs
We do. It’s called 20/20 hindsight.
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by SoFa King Mike on
Nov 18, 2008 8:04 AM PST
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We could've had Wright?
This makes me sad =(
Bill Mueller? I expect at least A-Rod type numbers from my son, Conor Gillaspie
by Gamer101 on Nov 17, 2008 5:14 PM PST 0 recs
Maybe I'm just being negative
but i don’t see the point to posts like these. Yes, if anyone could go back they would have drafted much wiser but other than proving that hindsight is 20-20 I don’t get the point.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Nov 17, 2008 5:28 PM PST 0 recs
counter point
Well it can be useful as a emotional outlet that does not get one in trouble with the law.
It is also can be useful to quantify the result of rooster decisions and show how many years they can reach across. The later is not earth shaking new stuff but its lesson we all learn at one time or another. And some times a refresher coarse is not bad thing either.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on
Nov 18, 2008 10:25 AM PST
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And...
… although any set of facts can be manipulated to achieve better or worse shades of interpretation, that doesn’t mean this sort of thing has no worht. This is yet another piece of information Mr. Neukom should be looking at when it next comes time to review Mr. Sabean’s employment status.
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by Lyle on
Nov 18, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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Rooster Decisions are Awesome
Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young, and 11 Tim Lincecums. He's already got his one.
by icantdrive55 on
Nov 18, 2008 8:14 PM PST
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And very rare!
Always unsure as to which side of the road to be on…
by Lars The Wanderer on
Nov 18, 2008 8:27 PM PST
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This is why I dont dwell on past mistakes, who knew then that Wright was going to turn into David Wright? Hopefully Shnick or maybe King will turn into all stars but I’m with Bokake, why dwell on the past?
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Nov 17, 2008 5:30 PM PST 0 recs
Hind Sight Is Always 20/20!
If you did this analysis to every teams drafts since 2001 most would look as bad and many far worse.
What the hell is your point!
by giantsrainman on Nov 17, 2008 5:33 PM PST 0 recs
Idle musings.
Jeez , chill out!
Are you missing an all – important current FA speculation that will influence your life , loves , credit rating directly?
Why are you wasting time reading this when you could be mulling over Baseball Prospectus?
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Is it always the man with the gun?
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by victor frankenstein on
Nov 17, 2008 5:42 PM PST
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I tried to resist...
…but if no one else is going to do it, I have to make the grammar correction, because my OCD won’t let me ignore it.
jt_2741: I found your post kind of fun to read, but it’s could HAVE, should HAVE and would HAVE, not could OF, should OF, etc. If you can clear that up in future, I promise to read and enjoy every post you make.
by sularz on Nov 17, 2008 5:47 PM PST 0 recs
Did you really of to post that?
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by WalrusMan on
Nov 17, 2008 5:59 PM PST
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Don’t be a jerk, man. What in the world do you of against him?
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by howtheyscored on
Nov 17, 2008 8:21 PM PST
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Thats a whole nother problem
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on
Nov 17, 2008 8:22 PM PST
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Yes, I of to. Nine out have ten times I can ignore the stickler instinct, but not this time for some reason.
by sularz on
Nov 18, 2008 7:02 AM PST
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thanks for mentioning this instead of me, Guy.
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
by Lyle on
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Stephen MacFarland? We got him in the Morris deal? I don’t even know who he is. So we still have a part of the Morris deal, that’s good I guess.
Also, Rainman is right that there are probably a lot of teams that would look as bad or worse. Baseball drafts are far from a sure thing, and you can’t really look back like this and expect a great record. Interesting read, but no point in beating yourself up over how things could have been.
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by raisingcain on Nov 17, 2008 5:54 PM PST 0 recs
I wish I had as much free time as you.
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by The Thrill on Nov 17, 2008 6:06 PM PST 0 recs
1985
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2008 6:29 PM PST 0 recs
So we got that one right.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on
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I think it's only necessary to look at
possibly draft picks if we didn’t sign “X” FA and see if he was worth it.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Nov 17, 2008 6:50 PM PST 0 recs
Yeah the Wright year still makes me go “what if”
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 17, 2008 6:58 PM PST 0 recs
If you really want to do a what could’ve been, you should take a look at the guys the Giants drafted, but couldn’t sign:
1990:
7th rounder: Greg Norton
1991:
23rd round: Craig Wilson
1994:
20th Round: JD Drew
37th Round: Mike Lincoln
1995:
24th Round: Toby Hall
34th Round: Justin Miller
40th Round: Mike Lincoln (again)
42nd Round: Brad Lidge
The Sabean era has shown a remarkable ability to sign most picks. This may be due to “signability” picks and taking less chances in the late rounds on guys who say they’re going to colleg and demanding big bonuses (and thus having their draft status fall for non-signability.)
In addition to Lincoln, there’s also a few guys we drafted more than once, like Justin Knoedler and several minor leaguers (Johnny Monell and Jared Cranston). Alex Hinshaw was drafted 2x without signing before we signed him after drafting him for the 3rd time.
Not a lot of great players, but imagine having Bonds and Drew in the same OF starting in 1998 or so and having Lidge ready to take over for Nen in 2003 or Worrell in 2004, plus several serviceable bullpen arms and a deeper bench. There were a few other guys who’ve been in the bigs for at least a cup of coffee, but I didn’t bother mentioning them.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2008 7:13 PM PST 0 recs
Although who knows how Lidge, Drew and the rest might’ve turned out had they not gone to college. They might have ended up shells of their current selves without the extra seasoning. Though along the same lines maybe Mike Lincoln would be Brad Lidge today had he signed with us out of high school (probably not though).
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by i did my job on
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The whole point of this post was to bring up some interesting points and topics for discussion. It wasn’t intended to put us in mourning mode, even though I joked about it, but to look over mainly how free agent signings have affected the Giants drafts. From what I’ve seen people don’t realize the significant effect, at times, that these signings present, so that was one thing I was trying to point out.
Sure we don’t have Wright, who cares it’s all in the past and besides we got Rohlinger.
Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???
by jt_7241 on Nov 17, 2008 7:26 PM PST 0 recs
OT but annoying
It’s not “could of had” it’s “could have had.”
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by Idaho Nick on Nov 17, 2008 8:29 PM PST 0 recs
This has already been covered.
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by groug on
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You just had to of brought that up again.
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by WalrusMan on
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This goes for any team
Every team in baseball passed on Albert Pujols 7 times when he was in the draft. 40+ times for Mike Piazza
by NeifiChicken on Nov 17, 2008 11:54 PM PST 0 recs
The REAL what could have been...
Our pitching staff
1. Lincecum
2. Liriano
3. Cain
4. Sanchez
5. Zito/Lowry
With Nathan closing being set up by Wilson and Affeldt
NASTY
by NeifiChicken on Nov 17, 2008 11:55 PM PST 0 recs
There’s no guarantee the Giants would have drafted Lincecum or signed Zito if we still had Liriano and Nathan.
by Natto on
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Oh, you and your blasted logic.
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by groug on
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I will never understand...
…any “what could have been” scenario that includes Barry Zito.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on
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From the Lars Archive
The following is a post I made back in March of ’07 on another message board. It addresses this very subject.
Past Amateur Drafts in the Space Time Continuum
Since I was doing practically nothing at work today while counting down the hours until I can watch the Giants on TV, I was perusing some baseball sites and stumbled upon an amateur draft history on thebaseballcube.com. I decided to look at past Giants first round picks during the 90’s and lament over who was taken after whomever it was the Giants selected.
Now when performing such an exercise, it is important to consider all the variables on why teams select certain players (signability, scouting, player agent, etc.) but being the irrational soul that I am, I choose to ignore all logic, reason and even the laws of the universe by jumping into my DeLorean and firing up the flux capacitor.
1990
With the 15th pick of the draft, the Giants selected Adam Hyzdu.
Selected after Adam were names like Jeromy Burnitz and Mike Mussina. When I saw Mussina’s name, I broke down and set my cubicle on fire.
1991
With the 33rd pick of the draft, the Giants selected Steve Whitaker. Um..who? He never reached the bigs; making only as high as AA.
Taken after Whitaker were Bobby Jones and Scott Hatteberg. Not earth shattering names by any means, but Hatteberg could always hit, and Jones was an All Star and the ’94 ROY.
1992
With the 7th pick of the draft, the Giants selected that baseball juggernaut Calvin Murray.
Taken after Murray were names like Preston Wilson, Michael Tucker, Shannon Stewart, Jason Kendell and Johnny Damon.
Just looking at these names made me pour a trail of gasoline from my burning cubicle to my neighbors cube. Hey, if I gotta suffer, everyone does. Are you fricken kidding me? The Giants decide to take an outfielder with their first round pick and decide on Murray while passing on Damon?
Ugh..on with the masochism
1993
With the 6th pick of the draft, the Giants take Steve Soderstrom and give him a 750k signing bonus.
Selected after Soderstrom were Billy Wagner (who took a 550k signing bonus), Derrek Lee (who took a 600k signing bonus), Chris Carpenter, Torii Hunter, and Jason Varitek.
I have taken to tossing random people walking down my hallway and heaving them into the growing inferno.
1994
With the 22nd pick, the Giants take Dante Powell.
With the exception of Scott Elarton and Jay Payton, no remaining names taken in the first round really jump out at me.
While mildy annoyed about seeing Payton’s name, it is enough of a so-so draft that I decide to actually feel bad for my co-workers (some of them at least) as they writhe around on fire.
1995
With the 16th pick of the draft, the Giants select Joe Fontenot.
The very next player taken at 17 was Roy Halladay.
I have stopped feeling bad for my co-workers and now even try using them to light my cigarette as they run by.
1996
With the 7th pick of the draft, the Giants take Matt White.
Names taken afterward are Mark Kotsay, Eric Chavez, Adam Eaton, Eric Milton, Jake Westbrook, Gil Meche, and Jason Marquis.
The police and fire departments have surrounded my office building. I have decided to hold them off by McGuyvering a laser guided flaming people catapult out of rubberbands and my laser pointer.
1997
With the 4th pick of the draft, the Giants take Jason “Charbroiled” Grilli.
The very next name taken is Vernon Wells. Also taken afterward is Lance Berkman. One of my laser guided flaming people missiles bulls-eyes a SWAT team member trying to scale the outside of my building.
1998
With the 19th pick of the draft, the Giants take that patron saint of potential Tony Torcato.
The very next name is CC Sabathia.
The authorities have broken down my defenses and have reached my floor. I retreat to the copy room leaving a trail of booby trapped staplers and paper cutters in my wake.
1999
With the 24th pick of the draft, the Giants take Kurt Ainsworth. They also take Jerome Williams with the 39th pick.
Selected 50th that year was Brian Roberts.
The police have cunningly evaded my stapler and paper cutter traps and have taken me into custody having first seen fit to zap me repeatedly with a stun gun and fit me with a straight jacket.
I hope they have television at the funny farm. Since Noah is pitching, I also hope the television is padded as well as the walls.
I think Nurse Ratchett is calling. It must be medication time…
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2008 7:19 AM PST 0 recs
Understanding that hindsight is 20/20 and that this sort of excersise can make any team look bad, there’s not that many “mistakes” in the group.
Sure David Wright jumps out, but Lowry was a solid pick and 37 teams passed on Wright before he was drafted.
Yes we did!
by Goofus on Nov 18, 2008 9:41 AM PST 0 recs
I don't know..
The 2003-2005 period was pretty terrible. Some of it had to do with the lack of picks, but still, when Nate Schierholtz is the best prospect you manage to draft in a three year period, you’re not doing well. The 2002 draft was great, though, and 2001 was solid. 2006 is good even if Burris flops, and 2007 looks good, though it’s still hard to tell. I’d give us a B-.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
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37 teams?
Did the Kintetsu Buffaloes get to pick in that year’s draft?
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on
Nov 18, 2008 1:33 PM PST
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There were teams in all 57 of the states Obama visited.
Yes we did!
by Goofus on
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Mike Stanton
I would have jumped for joy if we had selected Mike Stanton with the #51 pick (the pick we got for losing Mike Stanton) and it probably would have caused some type of hole in the space-time continum.
by nelson95 on Nov 18, 2008 1:34 PM PST 0 recs
That was heavy.
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I ofn't the faintest
Idea what you meant by that.
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