Which of these 3 would you sign?
by Hobbes2d on Nov 14, 2008 5:42 PM PST
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Greg Maddux - HOF pitcher, with well over 300 wins. Has played a lot on the West Coast lately for both SD and LA, would fit well in SF due to both the ballpark and he could help the younger pitchers with their craft.
Mike Mussina - The youngest of the 3, with 270 career wins. Coming off his first career 20 win season (had 19 or 18 multiple times with Baltimore and NYY), he changed his style a bit last year after having a poor 2007 season. Has always been kind of like a AL version of Maddux. Very smart, great command, good movement on his pitches etc. He played college ball at Stanford, but seems the least likely to come out here as his family lives on the east coast, and the Yankees will probably want to bring him back.
Randy Johnson - Surefire HOF, Johnson is only 5 wins short of 300 wins for his career, which would even further solidify his 1st ballot status. He's from Livermore, and has always been on the West Coast since being traded from Montreal to Seattle for Mark Langston in the late 80s. He's still a good pitcher at his advanced age, and bounced back nicely from a short lived 2007 season marred by back and knee injuries. Johnson's contract negotiations with AZ just broke down the other day, making him a FA. There is a good probability he could resign with AZ.
But assuming all 3 actually take a look at FA this off-season, which of the 3 would you want the most? All 3 likely would help our young studs Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez etc learn a thing or two about pitching in the big leagues, and maybe even could help the lost cause known as Zito. All 3 would be far cheaper options than somebody like Sabathia or Burnett etc, and would get a 1 or 2 year deal at best most likely. Plus they would give added intrigue to the Giants, as all 3 continue to try to pad their HOF resumes before retirement.
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Sign Maddux, send each of his gold gloves to cash4gold.com, and use THAT money to sign Sabathia….Brilliant!
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Nov 14, 2008 6:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
BRILLIANT!
by FairweatherFan on Nov 14, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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That lady gets my every time
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by BrianBokake on Nov 14, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His Bocock!
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Nov 14, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t believe the other lady got divorced. How could her first husband find anything wrong with her?
by cheno on Nov 14, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m disturbed by how far e is away from y on the keyboards. fail.
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by BrianBokake on Nov 15, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disturbed by how far E is away from this site.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 15, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson played for NY
not that that matters, just pointing it out. But I’d go Mussina because he’s the youngest and least likely to break down of the three. Johnson’s got a bad back and Maddux is really old, and he’s bound to start showing it some time soon. Also, Mussina had the best year of the three.
by boonitez on Nov 14, 2008 6:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Johnson played for the Blanks. THAT matters.
LOL at the free agency…
His back matters most. Also he’s not Johnson v.01
I s’pect he’d be all year trying to bag those five wins.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 15, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would sign Maddux
to a multi-year deal, first as a pitcher and then after retirement as a pitching coach or manager in the minor leagues. It would be good to have him working with our prospects early in their professional careers to set a good foundation.
by baseballjunkie on Nov 14, 2008 6:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
would be cool if it could happen
He’d probably be a great coach. I’d love for all the young pitchers to have him available for questions.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Nov 14, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson's got relief experience
See: 2001 WS.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 14, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See :DLDLDLDLDLDLDLDLDLDLDLDLDLDLDLDL
See a dying – and rising – slider.
Christ , this guy got knocked around by The San Francisco Giants last year!
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- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Nov 15, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy, and it’s not particularly close, at least in terms of talent and contract.
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by marcello on Nov 14, 2008 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Randy
Is by far the best pitcher on this list – at least at this point in his career.
I don’t count on Mussina to get anywhere close to ’08 in ’09. Fluke written all over it.
by FairweatherFan on Nov 14, 2008 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want any of them on the Giants. We already have our gamer veteran on the staff and that’s Barry Zito. Lord knows he’s not earning that 126 million with his pitching performance, so he better be using all his spare time helping the young Giants’ pitchers.
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by rxmeister on Nov 14, 2008 7:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do you really want Zito teaching the young guys anything about pitching?
by chilibean_3 on Nov 14, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What not to do?
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by marcello on Nov 14, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That must be why he's been so bad. Teaching by example.
Now, you see, the last thing you guys want to do is throw a curveball up that doesn’t break. Like this!
/pitches
/batter hits home run
See! Don’t do that.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 14, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d, uh, call it the masturbator.
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Nov 14, 2008 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Zito knows how to pitch. He just doesn’t know how to throw hard. Thinking that Maddux can teach pitching is the same philosophy that makes some Giants’ fans think that anyone can play first base as long as JT Snow is around to teach them. It’s usually lousy pitchers that make the best pitching coaches, not great ones. They’re the ones who had to struggle their whole lives to succeed and really had to learn all the ins and outs of pitching. Who’s considered the best pitching coaches in the game?? Rick Peterson?? Leo Mazzone?? How many times did they win 20?? Why aren’t Tom Seaver, Juan Marichal or Sandy Koufax pitching coaches anywhere?? The only player that I heard Maddux really took under his wing in Atlanta was Damian Moss, and we all know how that turned out.
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by rxmeister on Nov 15, 2008 6:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s considered the best pitching coaches in the game?? Rick Peterson?? Leo Mazzone?? How many times did they win 20?? Why aren’t Tom Seaver, Juan Marichal or Sandy Koufax pitching coaches anywhere??
Maybe because for every Koufax there are 100 Mazzones?
Most of the pitchers are bad=> most of the pitching coaches were bad pitchers => most of the good pitching coaches were bad pitchers.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 15, 2008 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg’s brother, Mike, might however be a good choice as our pitching coach.
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by Lyle on Nov 15, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but they could learn a thing or two about feng shui
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Nov 14, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn’t we do that with Maddux too?
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Nov 14, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RJ, Lincecum and Cain are a very good start for a fugly looking pitching staff
by wilriv21 on Nov 14, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cain is ugly?
I can see the Lincecum argument, although I bet a lot of girls find that type of guy cute, but Cain? Cain isn’t exactly a stud, but I don’t think he’d be called ugly by any standard
Johnson is the only fugly one of that group. Now if we bring in that guy that used to be on the Astros…
by NeifiChicken on Nov 14, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need Julian Tavarez back!
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Nov 14, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum
although I bet a lot of girls find that type of guy (Lincecum) cute
I believer you’re right on this one, which is just sad.
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by ThrillisGone22 on Nov 15, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Broken emo boys?
Perhaps I’ll be good to go once I get home.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 15, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a no-brainer: Randy Johnson. Not only would he serve to accomplish holding down a starting spot until one of the young flame-throwers are ready next season (Alderson, maybe Bumgarner) but the publicity/revenue he would bring while chasing 300 wins would be well worth it to the Giants. He could very easily pay for himself with the attention he would bring. And I think we all know how the Giants love cashing in on historic statistical races.
by deuce deuce on Nov 14, 2008 7:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there was quite a celebration when Bengie Molina hit his 100th home run!
by Natto on Nov 14, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t forget about Randy Winn’s 100th home run either!
by deuce deuce on Nov 15, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mussina
Is chasing 300 wins too. I think he would definitely get the 30 he would need on the ‘09 Giants. What’s better, some pitcher only getting 5 wins, or Mussina getting 30!
by thethrill22 on Nov 15, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IRREFUTABLE
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by ThrillisGone22 on Nov 15, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't see any of them signing here...
but Johnson is absolutely the best
by NeifiChicken on Nov 14, 2008 8:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Johnson as a LOOGY
FTW!!!!
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by baetown415 on Nov 14, 2008 9:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
on a more serious note
it always depends on the contract and their “role” on the team
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Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Nov 14, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Martinez
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Nov 14, 2008 10:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love Pedro
But Johnson was really good last year.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 15, 2008 6:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which means he’d be more expensive
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by jponry on Nov 15, 2008 7:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why do we need an old fart on this staff anyway?? A couple of years ago it was Matt Morris, then it was Zito, and now it’s some other washed up hurler. This idea of bringing in old guys to help the young guys is overrated. And if this is the reason you are bringing in an older guy, you should immediately eliminate guys like Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez, who have always been selfish players. Mike Mussina should also not be a part of this discussion, because he is a Yankee and the Yankees want him back if he changes his mind about retiring. He’s from Pennsylvania, and has always pitched in the AL East. Why would he change his mind about retiring and then go all the way out to SF?? I believe Maddux has decided to retire as well. With the FA period starting yesterday, we should finally start to have real trade and FA rumors to talk about, so why are we talking about this again??
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by rxmeister on Nov 15, 2008 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Johnson is better than Matt Morris and Barry Zito combined. Calling him washed up isn’t really true.
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by xanthan on Nov 15, 2008 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, one of these years he will be. He was 89 in 2008 and next year he will be 90. He’s also a jerk who spends alot of time on the DL. Don’t make me use the old refrain about how he won’t be a part of the next good Giants’ team.
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by rxmeister on Nov 15, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thx for the lol
OK , I’m gonna shut up. He still rocks a 4 to 1 k/bb , although the 1.29 WHIP annoys.
Damn , stats comin’ outta ME?
I feel sick…
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Nov 15, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I want Mussina...
but he did go to Stanford, so it wouldn’t be his first trip to the Bay.
by thethrill22 on Nov 15, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but OTOH:
!
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 15, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For Lawds sake keep that thing behind closed doors. I sure there are Public decency laws your just severally violated there.
Keep up the good? work.
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by daveinexile on Nov 16, 2008 6:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Caption Contest Sighting!
“Randy Johnson , determined to improve his mechanics , embraces Dick Pole.”
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Nov 16, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i taught mark langston
how to play over the hills and far away.
true story.
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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 15, 2008 8:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I got the attention of my high-school girlfriend by playing “Over the Hills and Far Away” at a party. She looked nothing like Mark Langston. Small world, no?
by Grant on Nov 15, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mussina,Johnson,Maddux = Jagger,Richards,Watts...
Woody doesn’t look too bad…he could be the equivalent of Pedro…
"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum
by Timlincecum.com on Nov 15, 2008 9:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wood supposedly left his wife for an 18 year old hottie. I’ll bet he kids himself and thinks she’s with him because of his personality.
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by rxmeister on Nov 15, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It’s obviously for his good looks.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Nov 15, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Life's just a Bococktail party
When the WHIP comes down…
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Nov 15, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Johnson
…wore a Giants hat once
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by ThrillisGone22 on Nov 15, 2008 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AWESOMEST FIGHT EVAR
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