McCovey Chronicles: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:



Around SBN: Want to help build SB Nation? We're hiring! Bar-right-arrows



Khalil Greene and Beltre FTW in 2009?

It is no secret the Giants biggest weakness last year was at the left side of the infield. The production we got out of those levels was pretty much replacement level, possibly even below it. We were dreadful at those positions and the only debate is really just how bad we were.

Now, I realize I am probably one of most outspoken posters about believing the Giants need to continue to rebuild with an eye twoards 2011-2012 rather than 2009, but in the real world that won't happen. They want to win ASAP and will try to do so. So how would I do it? Here's my first (and hopefully only) rosterbation post of the year. And it starts with these two to shore up our infield.

 

1) Khalil Greene would be a target of mine at SS. The guy is coming off a horrible year with SD (.274 wOBA, injuries, and a .213/.260/.339 stat line). That being said, he's usually average or better on both the offensive and defensive side. In 2007 he hit 27 homers and posted a .339 wOBA. In fact the four years prior to 2008 he posted the following wOBA's (.339, .342, .332, .351) which shows that is pretty much his skill level with the bat. While those do account for park, I'm never 100% sold on direct park adjustment and think that with a move to a more offensively friendly park like AT & T, Greene could have a career year before hitting the FA market.

With SD seemingly poised to acquire Yunel Escobar, the Padres will certainly want to move Greene and his 6.5 million dollar salary. Greene won't be free, no, but his value is at an all time low.

CHONE projects Greene to be +5 at SS, which is quite good, considering Adam Everett (the best) sits at +19 and Omar Vizquel sits at +11. BTW, Burris sits at -2

If Khalil can bounce back to his 2004-2007 levels, as he fully should (was career high in LD%), and can live up to his defensive projection Khalil will be about 3 wins above replacement, which is quite good and has a market value of about 13 million dollars (double his actual salary). Even though he's under contract only thru 2009, if he rebounds nicely, he could work his way back up to a type B free agent.

 

2) Adrian Beltre - I don't need to really say much on Beltre that hasn't been said before. But by my calculations he projects to be about a 4+ WAR player next year at a market value of about 19 million dollars. Plus, in trading for him he will be a type A free agent, netting us two draft picks.

The problem with Beltre is simply price, but I will get to that later

3) Nick Swisher - I have been a big Swisher proponent as it is no secret and I will continue it here. He is going to bounce back and if we can get him at a cheap price, why not go for it?

Ideally we could trade Winn and Burris and maybe a marginal prospect for Swisher, but I don't think KW would bite on that realistically. If need be, just offer him Lewis for Swisher and I truthfully think he would bite. Lewis outperformed Swisher last year, is much cheaper, and must faster. I think KW would that deal.

If Swisher can bounce back to his 06-07 levels and can live up to CHONE's +5 LF projection defensively, Swisher would be about a 3.80 WAR player and about 2.25-2.50 Wins above out LF production last year, production I don't see Lewis and co matching in 2009.

 

Those are the three keys. Obviously a Juan Cruz or Bobby Howry wouldn't hurt the pen and maybe a gamble on an SP like Pavano would be nice, but that's the bulk of it. Those are the three players that could help tremendously via trade and would really like to see that get done. With those 3, we could have a legitimate shot at competing in 2009.

 

If we assume everyone we bring back from last year more or less equals the same production we're looking at the same 68-72 win team that was in place. But then we can add about 9-10 wins to that total from the above 3 players bringing us to a 78-82 win team.

If Josh Phelps plays everyday (or even a TI/Phelps platoon) at 1B, I think he's a safe bet for being about 1.5-2 wins better than our 1B production last year. Bringing the total to 80-84.

If Frandsen can be healthy a full year, his production at 2B would probably about a win better than last year's production, bring the total to 81-85.

Essentially from there, what would need to happen to push us over the top is the starting rotation, where Lincecum will need to repeat, and Cain, Sanchez, Zito, and 5th guy all need to get better. I don't really think those expectations are unrealistic, it's just a matter of how much better they can get. Hopefully 4 wins better collectively, but that might be a bit too optimistic. That would put us at 85-89, and now we're talking about contender territory.

Finally, the bulpen should be better as the young guys improve (Wilson, Sadler, Hinshaw, Romo) and Sabean likely brings in a proven veteran (Juan Cruz). That could equate to another win or two, putting us at potentially 87-91, which would be pretty tremendous.

 

Obviously all of that is a bit optimistic, but if those 3 players can be brought in, I don't think it is unreasonable to say this team could win between 85-90 games next year. The problem with this plan is it doesn't set us up particularly well for beyond 2009, but it doesn't exactly cripple us either. Which brings us to the most important factor of all: COST

 

The Cost:  The Giants would need to get creative, but here are the players I'd be willing to part with to acquire those 3 players: Bengie Molina, Randy Winn, Fred Lewis, Manny Burris, and any "unimportant players" (i.e. Taschner, Velez, fringe prospects, etc.). Now, the Mariners and Padres would have no interest at all in Molina or Winn, so to accomplish that, the Giants would probably need to through a third team to do so. Some examples

1) Greene Trade

SD Gets: Jonathan Niese and Joe Martinez (or Pucetas)

NYM Gets: Molina

SF Gets: Khalil Greene

2) Beltre trade

SF Gets: Beltre

ATL Gets: Randy Winn

SEA Gets: Manny Burris, Pucetas, Brent Lillibridge, Chuck James

Or we could simply keep Winn and try to package Schierholtz and Burris to SEA for Beltre.

3) Swisher Trade

Lewis for Swisher

 

 

After all that, our lineup would be

2B Kevin Frandsen

CF Rowand

LF Swisher

1B Phelps

3B Beltre

C Sandoval

SS Greene

RF Schierholtz

 

That's definitely a hackish lineup, but it's a pretty good defensive team, and a deep lineup. Consequently, if they chose to keep Winn and trade Nate instead, we'd certainly have a better team, although Nate is a future contributor we'd be losing out on.

 

Anyways, that's my $0.02, that's what I think it would take to try and win in 2009 without mortgaging the future. Thoughts?

This FanPost is reader-generated, and it does not necessarily reflect the views of McCovey Chronicles. If the author uses filler to achieve the minimum word requirement, a moderator may edit the FanPost for his or her own amusement.

0 recs | Comment 126 comments

Read Related

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

I think there are too many moving parts. Multi-team deals are the exception. I don’t see being able to pull off 2 in the same offseason.

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2008 12:13 PM PST   0 recs

definitely

I don’t think any of these will ACTUALLY happen. Still, creativity is important if you are trying to make radical changes, and that might be what it takes. Still, if it needed to be just between Seattle and us, Schierholtz and Burris could get it done. Or Schierholtz and Pucetas…something like that

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 12:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I’m down with Beltre, and I’ll listen on Swisher (if he’s playing 1B). That being said, it’s only worth it if you can get away with not trading a overly valuable chip. Beltre is owed some money, so if Seattle were interested in a salary dump with someone like Velez going back, I think that’s something you do without thinking twice.

by AndOnTheDrums... on Nov 13, 2008 12:21 PM PST   0 recs

I have no interest in seeing Greene in a Giants uni...

…and that lineup still looks really bad. Frandsen getting the most ab’s on this team would be painful to watch, even if he lives up to the highest expectations. With this roster you would be better off having Beltre in the 3 hole and Swish leading off IMO.

I think everyone on this site is down for some Beltre and possibly Swisher. But i know I’d rather have Furcal and the salary he’ll command over Greene, (who is overpaid as well, even if its a shorter term) and i definitely wouldn’t give up Molina for Khalil.

by RotoHead on Nov 13, 2008 12:26 PM PST   0 recs

if Greene can repeat his 2004-2007

He is not underpaid, in fact his salary would be half of what his production is. Furcal would command double the salary and be a 3-4 year commitment on a guy who has been hurt each of the last two years.

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 12:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Lewis for Swisher

Teams don’t trade 28 y-o OF’s for 27 y-o OF’s.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 13, 2008 12:28 PM PST   0 recs

Yeah, I have no clue why the White Sox would do that.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 13, 2008 12:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Really? I mean Williams has publicly stated he WILL NOT play Swisher in CF next year and he wants to get faster. Now, he might try and move Dye and Konerko instead, but Konerko will be unmovable because of his salary, production, and no trade clause. Dye would also be tough to move because he was so productive last year.

I think there is a good chance a team like the White Sox view Lewis as better CF defensively than Swisher. Lewis still brings a good OBP, increased speed, cheaper price, and could fill that role of “legitimate leadoff man” which some teams might value.

I don’t think Lewis vs Swisher is far fetched at all, although I could see a tool like Sabean thinking it’s too much to give up

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 12:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah but Swisher is a guy who, before last year, had two straight years of 120+ OPS+. I don’t think many people, even those who are most optimistic about Lewis, think he’s got that kind of performance in him. I’m sure Williams wants to get faster but I don’t think he’s looking to just pick up any player with wheels for Swisher.

I just don’t see it happening, not straight up anyway.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 13, 2008 12:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Dave Roberts 4 Swish

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 12:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

HE CAN RUN FAST!

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 12:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

HE STOLE THAT BASE!

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."

by WalrusMan on Nov 13, 2008 1:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Swish is off to the Yankees

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Nov 13, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oops, should’ve read further down

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Nov 13, 2008 12:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

apparently Lewis would have been generous

Swisher just got traded for a 23 year old minor league with a career K rate of 6.36 (and a 2.03 K/BB rate)

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 12:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

…wow, Kenny Williams.

wow.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 13, 2008 12:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

There seems to be speculation that someone else could be coming from the Yankees in this deal, I would think there would have to be.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 12:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Heyman says Betemit also, which still isn’t much.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

and another player going to the yankees

this is just retardedly bad

by TimLincecumIsGod on Nov 13, 2008 1:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Depends

Possibly GM Williams wanted some salary relief and removing Swisher’s$22M off the books is a precusor to some other moves to improve the team.

by wilriv21 on Nov 13, 2008 1:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

that's probably the case

but he still could have gotten more I feel. Just ridiculous

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 2:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Question:

If it was Sabean and Rowand in place of Williams and Swisher would you be ok if SF made this deal with NY?

by wilriv21 on Nov 13, 2008 2:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

absolutely...

but Rowand is due double what Swisher is making and isn’t as good a player

I’d give Rowand away for nothing.

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 2:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

There is no way Lewis is better than Swisher in CF, and Swisher has been a much better hitter over his career. This trade ain’t gonna happen.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 13, 2008 1:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

yes, because he was just traded for Jeff Marquez and Betemit, a package I would consider to be worse than Fred Lewis

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 1:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Not the point. This is all moo, of course, but like I said before – teams don’t trade 28 y-o, under-contract OF’s for 27 y-o, under-contract OF’s. It makes no sense – basically one team is guaranteed to get screwed, unless the two players are of equal value, in which case the trade is pointless.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 13, 2008 1:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

MOOOOoooooOOOOoOOOOO!

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2008 1:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

La vache qui ris.

Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.

by Lyle on Nov 13, 2008 1:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

how is that even true?

Because you say it is so?

-The Dodgers traded a 27 year old OF (Bradley) for a 24 year old (Ethier)
-Carlos Lee (aged 28) was traded for Scott Podsednik (29) and both had more than one year left on their contracts
-Shawn Green (age 27) was traded for Raul Mondesi (28)
-Brad Wilkerson was a key part of a deal for Alfonso Soriano

There are probably more examples, but I don’t want to look into it

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

-The Dodgers traded a 27 year old OF (Bradley) for a 24 year old (Ethier)

First of all, Ethier was 23 when. The differnce between 27 and 23 is much bigger than the differnce between a 28 and 27. Second of all, and more importantly, Ethier was in AA when the trade went down. The Dodgers traded a major leaguer for a prospect, not a major leaguer for a major leaguer.

-Carlos Lee (aged 28) was traded for Scott Podsednik (29) and both had more than one year left on their contracts

Good find, but:

  • Lee had one more year on his contract, plus a team option for a second year. I wouldn’t really call that “under contract”.
  • This wasn’t a straight up trade. The White Sox also got Luis Vizcaino, who was really good in 2 out of the three years before the trade. Podsednik time with Chicago was more memorable, but Vizcaino was also a big part of the trade.
  • This was a weird trade.
-Shawn Green (age 27) was traded for Raul Mondesi (28)

This was a special situation. Green had only one more year on his contract, and had already told the Blue Jays that he’s not going to re-sign after the end of the season, because he wants to play near his home in Southern California. Raul Mondesi, OTOH, had 2 years left on his contract, plus team options for 2 more years. And, FWIW, Toronto also got Pedro Borbon, who had good career numbers at the time. This trade isn’t similar to the one you’re suggesting.

-Brad Wilkerson was a key part of a deal for Alfonso Soriano

Soriano was a 2B with 1 year left on his contract, and was traded for an OF/1B with 3 years left, an OF with 5 years left, and a good pitching prospect. This trade was not a straight up trade, did not invovle two players who play the same position, and did not involve two players with long term contracts. It really has nothing to do with your suggested trade.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 14, 2008 5:04 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

so given that the trade has went down...

and what KW got for Swisher, you really don’t think he would have preferred Fred Lewis?

It’s really quite simple. Lewis is:

a) cheaper
b) faster
c) coming off a better season
d) is a prototypical leadoff hitter
e) conceivably could be viewed as more fit for CF than Swisher (if they thought Griffey could play CF)

I have no doubt in my mind that Williams would have traded Swisher for LEwis, I just don’t think Sabean would have considered it

BTW, some more "impossible scenario trades:
-Marlon Byrd (27) for Endy Chavez (27)
-Troy Glaus for Scott Rolen

The bottom line is that the “special circumstances” you refer to simply imply the team has a reason to move him. Clearly the Sox had a desire to move Swisher, given his low 2008 production, remainder on contract, and the fact he could not play their desired position.

Lewis would have simply been a better fit for them and rid them of Swisher, who they wanted to move. Simply, really

by NeifiChicken on Nov 14, 2008 9:46 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

aand what KW got for Swisher, you really don’t think he would have preferred Fred Lewis?

It’s really quite simple. Lewis is:

a) cheaper
b) faster
c) coming off a better season
d) is a prototypical leadoff hitter
e) conceivably could be viewed as more fit for CF than Swisher (if they thought Griffey could play CF)

We’ve been threw this just a couple of comments ago. The point was that these kind of trades don’t really happen. And I don’t really think that Lewis could be seen as a CF, let alone a better one than Swisher.

BTW, some more "impossible scenario trades:
-Marlon Byrd (27) for Endy Chavez (27)
-Troy Glaus for Scott Rolen

“How can I have more when I haven’t had any?”

I’m getting a bit tired so I’ll do this quick: The first trade was a change of scenery trade for two former prospects, now crappy players, so I don’t think that it’s the same. The second, IIRC, went down because Rolen and LaRussa didn’t get along. But I’ll still admit defeat, I guess – though I don’t think that it’s exactly the same thing, Rolen for Glaus was similar to the trade your suggesting. So I’ll rephrase my point: These kind of trades rarely happen, because one team is guaranteed to get screwed. Like what The Baseball Analysts said about the Rolen/Glaus trade, It’s basically “just one GM saying to the other, ‘I think I have the better of you here’”. Not impossible, apparently, but unlikely.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 14, 2008 11:42 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

a few things

a) Calling Endy Chavez crappy will get you injured in sabermetric circles, where he is beloved. Many could argue with you on the merits of that comment
b) The entire point you seem to be missing is that like the Rolen situation (and many of the others I have listed) we are talking about a player a team WANTED to move. Kenny Williams WANTED to move Swisher, so much so that he gave him up for a package of mediocrity. We are not talking about a situation where two teams are happy with their outfielders, as Chicago clearly wasn’t.
c) You didn’t really answer the question. Do you honestly believe Kenny Williams prefer his package of Marquez, Betemit and Nunez (plus giving up Texeira) over Fred Lewis??? You honestly believe if Fred Lewis was on the table, he would have said “No, I’m riding the Jeff Marquez bandwagon all the way to the bank!”

by NeifiChicken on Nov 14, 2008 11:52 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

What's important

Is why they wanted to move those players. Trades are almost always about short term vs. long term, probability vs. ceiling, positional needs, etc. It’s very rare that teams trade players players who are as similar as Swisher and Lewis.

Yes, KW would probably accept Lewis for Swisher – but Sabean wouldn’t offer it. Sabean should offer it, but KW shouldn’t accept it. It’s what I’m trying to say – for a trade like this to happen, KW has to be sure that Lewis is better than Swisher, and Sabean has to be sure that Swisher is better than Lewis. Someone is guaranteed to get screwed. These trades are rare.

Oh, and re:(a) what are they gonna do – throw an inhaler at me?

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Nov 14, 2008 12:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

josh phelps is your cleanup hitter?????

I hope that was an oversight.

"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."

by i did my job on Nov 13, 2008 12:28 PM PST   0 recs

rough, but I like him

I don’t think he’s the next Carlos Pena or anything, but .275/.350/.490 seems like a benchmark that could be reasonable

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 12:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

which is much better than the cleanup hitter we had last year

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 12:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

no it wouldnt

If he could actually produce anything like that he wouldn’t have been a spring training invitee. He was a scrap heap pickup and nothing more. Betting on him to suceed would be a tad ill-advised. And the benchmark you provided is pretty Carlos Pena-like.

by boonitez on Nov 13, 2008 4:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

rosterbation fail

by cazzuno on Nov 13, 2008 12:36 PM PST   0 recs

To me, your point that with the current lineup, we’ll stand still if people repeat their years seems a little flawed, to my way of thinking.

The 2008 Giants featured waaaay to much Vizquel, Castillo and Bowker. I’d like to think Manny, Pablo & Ishi/Phelps can improve on what those guys did. I’d also look for more improvement from Lewis and a more consistent Rowand.

Am I satisfied with the current lineup? No. Confdient? Hardly. But I do think if we’re going to try to upgrade, Spiccoli and his 6.5M contract isn’t the right way.

Beltre, I’d be more excited about at the right price.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 13, 2008 12:41 PM PST   0 recs

What's wrong with Spiccoli?

Other than the fact that he looks (and occasionally acts) like a big douche. His play on the field is usually very good and his value is at an all time low. He’s at least 2 wins better than Burris (and IMO of Burris, it’s probably 3 wins) which is a huge margin.

The guy has put up good numbers in the worst hitters park in the game and could really have a nice year in a more neutral park like in SF. Plus, don’t discount his defense, which is pretty good

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 12:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I’ve always thought 2004 was an outlier, so I haven’t valued him like you are.

If we had $6.5M to spend on Greene, I’d rather take that along with savings from trading Winn, Molina and part of Roberts’ salary and me some Texiera.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 13, 2008 12:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I was always under the impression...

That he was a pretty bad fielder.

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."

by WalrusMan on Nov 13, 2008 1:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I was always under the impression that his range metrics were a tad awful.

by cornball on Nov 14, 2008 9:32 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

CHONE likes him a lot I know, as does Chris Dial’s system

I don’t know how Dewan’s +/- rates him

by NeifiChicken on Nov 14, 2008 9:47 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Too late on Swisher, apparently.

No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.

by Kitspool on Nov 13, 2008 12:44 PM PST   0 recs

unless Ian Kenndy or Hughes is the other player involved this is highway robbery for the Yankees

by NeifiChicken on Nov 13, 2008 12:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, there’s surely got to be other players in that deal otherwise it’s shocking for the White Sox. It’d also be very depressing that we couldn’t work out a deal if that was all he cost.

Proud owner of the most boring Username! Alex Hinshaw: Now showing in a bullpen near you!

by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2008 12:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

lol

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 12:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

wtf

Can't get enough of the Oakland A's or Golden State Warriors? Visit Oaktown Awesomer's and Golden Stat Hoops

by iamawesomer on Nov 13, 2008 12:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Wow

Roster filler in exchange for Swisher

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2008 12:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well, Kenny did once trade Carlos Lee for Pods!

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 12:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

This is depressing

Apparently, Freddy = Jeff Marquez!

I am going to go cry now…

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2008 12:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Wow. Ken Williams is smart.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 13, 2008 12:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Possibly Sabean can send him Rowand

by wilriv21 on Nov 13, 2008 12:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Possibly I can kick Rowand in the nuts!

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 12:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

nope

gamers kick their own nuts

by boonitez on Nov 13, 2008 4:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

what the hell, Kenny Williams.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 13, 2008 12:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Heyman is apparently saying that Wilson Betemit is part of the deal too, which makes it a bit better…

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 13, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ken Rosenthal says the Yankees also get pitcher Kanekoa Texeira from Chicago.
According to MLB Trade Rumors

by chilibean_3 on Nov 13, 2008 1:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

YANKEES GET TEXEIRA!!!!!!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 13, 2008 1:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

BASTARDS!

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 1:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

OK, I know nothing about Nunez, but this is a pretty lol trade by the White Sox. Marquez isn’t anything other than middle relief and Betemit is a bench player / spot starter.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Nov 13, 2008 1:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah this is the definition of selling low. VERY LOW.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Nov 13, 2008 1:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs