Which Free Agent(s) do you/we want?
by sharpness609 on Nov 11, 2008 7:46 PM PST
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PrintThere are many free agents and rumors floating around during the offseason and it's always exciting to follow the Hot Stove. I was just wondering, out of the many free agents we are linked to, which one or ones should we be going after? Obviously, if we pursue superstars like Manny, CC, and Mark, we would not have the option of a Furcal and Hudson to go after, because we would not have enough money. Therefore if we take a Adam Dunn instead, or a cheaper, less-pursued player, we could help more than one position on the team. Although on natural instincts we would love to see a Manny in the Bay, we have to look at reality also and for the future of the team.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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This was my first thought. Then I went with Teixiera.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 11, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
and 97 two years later
i can live
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by i did my job on Nov 12, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
OK.
1) How does signing someone now prevent them from gaining those 20 wins in 2011
2) The odds of anyone of our our guys putting up an OPS greater that Texieria (for example) in 2011 is quite low.
Signing free agents is bad if:
a) the player you sign sucks (see Zito, Barry)
b) you run out of money to sign more, better free agents (see Zito, Barry)
c) you have better players that you are blocking (see Robert, Dave)
I am pretty sure, given the Giants budget they could manage to find something in the FA market, if they weren’t stupid.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
It’s also bad if:
d) you have to sign a player for his mid/late 30’s years at too many dollars when the player is no longer worth it.
Different schools of thought on this, but I’m with jponry on this. It’s like playing marbles, they’re going to try and grab all the marbles, and it’s our job to hide them.
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agrees with JP
unlees Teixiera signs for reasonable term/amount. (chaa..and monkeys might fly out of my butt)
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 12, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
It's pronounced Milliwauque
which is Algonquin for “the good land”
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I didn’t know that
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 12, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Where's the Cain for Fielder option?
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Cain is untouchable.
That’s what Sabean said. I wouldn’t want a first baseman who most of the time either hits home runs or gets out. Of course, most of the time you’d get out. We need on-base percentage to go along with that. Plus, I’d hate to see Cain develop into an ace and we would look like a fool dealing him (do I have to mention the other pitchers that turned out great for another team)?
by sharpness609 on Nov 11, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
help, i’ve fallen!
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Can you get up?
Yikes, that one had accumulated a lot of dust.
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That's what HE said..
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dodgers reportedly guarenteeing 45 million
good work, Agent Ned. the plan has almost come to fruition.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 12, 2008 7:22 AM PST up reply actions
Agent Ned
No, it won’t be complete until he trades Loney and Ethier for Fielder and Weeks. Then we’ll know we have succeeded in destroying the LA franchise.
Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.
In fairness, I’d have to guess that Manny will be vastly more productive over the next four years than anyone currently in our organization. Whether or not he’ll justify the contract he wants to sign is another issue, and of course we’re a bit overloaded with OF right now, but from a bottom line perspective I’d be willing to guess that even the Manny of 2012 might well be a better hitter than the best one on our roster.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
If i'm forced to have one
then CC please. Teixeira is amazingly good, but he’d just get the bonds treatment here with a ton of IBBs. He’s best suited as a 3-hole hitter with the cleanup hitter behind him, which we still don’t have.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 11, 2008 8:14 PM PST reply actions
oh and where’s Jason Phelps? I want to vote for him
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 11, 2008 8:14 PM PST reply actions
Seriously though, Jason Phelps type signings really are the best option for a team in the Giants situations. Guys who you can get for minor-league or league-minimum type deals. Provided we don’t give them playing time over actual interesting youngsters (almost a guarantee, unfortunately, with Bochy) then we’ve got backups and insurance for injuries or complete ineffectiveness from those interesting players.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
oh hah… yeah… my bad
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 11, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
I want CC
I don’t care how much he costs I want a 3-ace rotation. It would be awesome. And if we got to the playoffs somehow, we would kill.
3-Cy young rotation
If we signed CC we would have 3 Cy young award winners in our rotation. Plus easily a number 3 pitcher to back them up.
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easily a #3?
Not so sure about that. More like 3rd starter at best!
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
3 Cy young rotation?
Timmy, CC…..Timmy and CC….I think you miscounted.
And Randy Johnson.
I hear he’s a free agent this year!
Or we could trade for Peavy! The possibilities are endless!
Barry Zito - Mildly half-OK! Sometimes.
by Revolution1 on Nov 11, 2008 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think he means Zito, too. But, then again, you just might be expressing sarcasm.
by sharpness609 on Nov 11, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
and let's sign Colon to a minor league deal...
and pedro martinez to an incentive laced contract. trade cain and sanchez for hitters because we’d have a cy young ROTATION sons! and, as such, we are guaranteed to win it all (see: science).
Dodgers fans eat their young.
by redhornet78 on Nov 12, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
don't you mean 4-ace?
Barry Zito frowns at you.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 12, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
But..
TIM LINCECUM WON THE CY YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 11, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
U RITE
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If we’re going to spend big bucks this offseason, then I like either the Teixeira option or the Dunn+Furcal option.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 11, 2008 9:46 PM PST reply actions
If the price is right:
1. Sabathia
2. Teixeira
3. Furcal
Sabathia gained my admiration and respect when he put the Milwaukee Brewers on his back and led them to the playoffs. Here was a man a month away from a huge FA contract and he wanted the ball. On three days rest. Repeatedly. This is the kind of teammate you would want. A great face to any organization.
I'm curious
what’s bust’s whip?
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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
I'll take.
Orlando Hudson and CC Sabathia.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
furcal
Build the team through the draft and player development and fill holes through free ageny. Granted, we have a lot of holes, but I could definitely stomach a sandoval-furcal-burriss/franny-ishi infield.
CC and/or Tiexiera
If CC doesn’t want to go to NY then shouldn’t we be the frontrunner?
I say pay him $20M/yr for 6 years and front-load the contract so that we pay him $24M/yr for the first 3 years and $16M/yr for the last 3 years. We pay him more when the rest of our payroll is still cheap and by the time we need more money his contract takes a huge cut. Plus if for some reason we needed or wanted to move him down the line, it would be much easier to move a $16M/yr contract.
I think I pulled my swagger muscle...
There's no salary cap.
No need to try to “fit” a payroll.
That extra $8M a year you’re spending today, is going to worth (much) less in 3-6 years time, due to salary inflation. And you can invest the money that you’re not spending.
For the most part, front loading an MLB contract is NOT a good thing. Backloading is good. MLB is not the NFL. The reason you want to frontload, is if doing so can get a player to take a shorter contract, or a smaller contract.
And I doubt that the NYC teams / RS / Cubs / Angels, aren’t going to beat a $120M / 6 offer.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I think he means that since Sabean isn’t using the entire budget now, spend more up front so you have more to spend on other player when you actually need it.
Since, as you point out, present value dollars are worth more than future value dollars, I’d want the player to take less over-all if I’m front-loading the contract.
Yes we did!
PAT THE BAT
and Furcal, CC and K-Rod. and then I’ll get my World Series tickets.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 12, 2008 12:38 AM PST reply actions
I WANT!
I’d like Sabathia just so we can say we have 3…COUNT IT 3! CY YOUNG winners in our rotation..hhahaa…but in all seriousness Teixera should be the man for us….but i feel like we’ll end up getting some mediocre guy who did not so bad last year and over pay him….just like we do every damn year….like pat burrell for 6 years 70 million. Is it possible just to resign TIMMAY for the rest of his career? Say 20 years 400 million and retire his jersey NOW!
pat burrell?
or adam dunn, whichever one would play the least worstest first base.
+ a couple decent-ish relievers, and that should be it for our 20-25 mil.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
I like Pat the Bat on a ~6 year deal.
Go look @ hittracker for him. Nearly all of his HR from the last few years would have gone out @ the phone booth, too. He’s not just a bandbox power hitter.
I think his numbers would play well here.
I voted for Dunn/Hudson
I’ve jumped on the Dunn train, and I’ll stay on if it means a 2 or 3 year contract, even if he’s being overpaid. With AnVil still a few years away, it wouldn’t handcuff the team to have an overpaid 1st baseman for a couple years. I’d rather have Hudson than Furcal, mostly because of my outspoken disdain for Furcal, and because Hudson would be cheaper and probably healthier.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
I wish there were a 3rd baseman on that list. Can A-Rod opt out again this year? Bring me AROD!!
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
giantsrainman
Is that you?
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 12, 2008 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Olney was talking to Steiner on XM a few minutes ago
Buster sounded pretty positive that the Giants were going to make a significant offer to CC. Of course, he also stated that the Yankees would blow away any offer any team made to CC.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions
Why couldn’t the Yankees do that with Zito?
by chilibean_3 on Nov 12, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Blow Zito away?
I’m as disappointed as anyone with Zito’s performance, but let’s not get carried away.
Yes we did!
They did..
But Zito turned down the offer, remember?
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Do not believe in long term deals for pitchers. Will make exception for a man like Sabathia. 5yrs/$100M is a fair offer. Maybe Sabathia would prefer playing in SF than NYC.
advantage SF
NY = fascist police crackdown on recreational herbage
SF = DA has effectively de-criminalized same
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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 13, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Unless...
we trade him for fatboy fielder….hmmmm..WHAT IF…..brewcrew resigns fielder and we trade cain for Fielder and Sabathia? ehh that doesn’t seem fair to me… i still like the 3 CY YOUNG rotation plus future cy young winner matt cain and noah/sanchez….then when sabathia doesn’t pitch he can just play 1st base and that’s that!
o_O
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 13, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
I find myself
drawn to Derek Lowe. He would round out the rotation nicley, eat up innings (hopefully making the bullpen better), and would fit nicely in the #2 slot in the rotation. That way, Sanchez could be traded with less pain and suffering.
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