Heyman: Holliday traded to the A's
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Beane thinks they can win
And Holliday is a big time bat. We’ll see how he adjust to life at sea level
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Because the A's did something...
Worst possible reason to make a move ever?
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Non sequitur
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WTF BEANES!
The Moneyball computer must have made this trade
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is this a diagram of the primitive Stats Lair?
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by Speedforthewin on Nov 10, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yes! But the new modern STATS Lair is much nicer.
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so what your saying is that the new, improved STATS Lair dwarfs the capabilities of major league teams?
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by Speedforthewin on Nov 10, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was a self-portrait?
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT
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Matt Holliday will probably be better than Emil Brown.
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did your STATS tell you that?
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YES, IT TOOK ME HOURS TO COMPUTE
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That bastard always killed us.
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and now he gets to do it on the A's
when they keep sweeping us in interleague play…
wtf?
Unless they’ve got a whole lot of other shit planned, this won’t really help them that much. They’re definitely more than one hitter away from contending. Now their lineup is Cust, Holliday, and ……… Beane’s been making some strange moves lately…
i first read this as: magneto
I knew the Dodgers had some talent in the farm system, good thing he won’t be around to kill Lincyborg.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 10, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
MAGNETO WAS RIGHT
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this makes no sense to me, unless they gave up very little to get him
Holliday isn’t going to allow them to compete with the Angels and isn’t going to be around when Cahill/Anderson/et al actually start making a difference in the majors.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
Think ahead
Oakland is probably not trading any “A” prospects. The A’s have the option to move Holliday at the trade deadline or keep him the entire season and offer arbitration and gain two draft picks. Like throwing lesser cards in poker in hopes of drawing better cards.
If that's true...
…then what does it say for the Rockies? They’ve got to be getting something more valuable to them than the two draft picks they would get if they do nothing.
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by EliminateMe on Nov 10, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
they had shit for a payroll last year
and they have money to burn. One guy from AN said something like $40M for this year or something like that.
Si
and want to sign Furcal. Have read the A’s budget can range from $40M to $80M. Wow, that is a very wide range for a GM.
$80M? Wow... I've heard that the A's owner is filthy rich
that would be over the Giants’ payroll for last year, right? This isn’t the A’s that I know… wow.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
From Ken Rosenthal:
The A’s are not acquiring him with the intention of flipping him or even trading him in July. The team is in position to increase its payroll to as much as $80 million, and plans to contend next season.
To that end, the A’s also are targeting free-agent shortstop Rafael Furcal to be their leadoff man. Furcal is drawing interest from about 10 clubs, according to his agent, Paul Kinzer. The acquisition of Holliday could help persuade Furcal that the A’s are serious about competing.
The A's payroll in 2007
was around $75M. The term “small market” is grossly overused.
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i wonder where the money comes from
I don’t think attendance is any better, did they get a huge TV contract for some unexplained reason?
by NeifiChicken on Nov 10, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, they did improve their TV contract if I understand it correctly
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Revenue sharing, national TV contract,
MLB Advanced Media, national licensing, national merchandising. I’ve seen estimates that put MLBAM at $20M-$25M per team, national TV at $20M-$25M per team, and licensing and merchandising at about $10M a team, total of around $50M-$60M per team.
The A’s obviously are not going to be a Yankees type team. Or even have a Mets / RS / Cubs / Dodgers / Angels type payroll. But, they, and other smaller MLB teams do NOT need to have a payroll of $40M-$50M to be viable, despite what some of the cheapskate owners would like fans to believe.
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Wolff is trying to fill that empty Coliseum and fund the Fremont stadium.
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 10, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think you hit the reason
Fremont just elected a stadium friendly mayor. The deal looks like a sure thing.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 10, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I still don’t think that stadium is getting built during this economic downturn, and certainly not before 2012 or 2013 at the earliest.
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Even with Holliday’s star power, the only time that stadium fills is when the Yankees and Red Sox are in town.
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 10, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
ditto
the 9ers and A’s are both screwed until the economy turns around… unless they wanted to pay for the stadiums themselves. but no, no team would EVER do that.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
The Niners did have a stadium plan that the city of SF backed, but John York happens to be an idiot.
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 10, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I read somewhere
That the Coliseum makes more money from a single gig by the Rolling Stones/Police/Enter Name of Big Musical Act Here than they do from a full season of either the Raiders OR the A’s paying rent.
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a bit far off for that, don't you think?
Stadiums take a while to build. Are they planning on having a higher payroll for 5 years?
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
No way they need salary relief that bad
The Rox attendance has been up the last 3 years, some 700K over their low in 2005. Getting rid of their top hitter in a pure salary dump would be a really good way to squander that hard won fan base. That’s Huizenga dumb.
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by EliminateMe on Nov 10, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Why pay the monies if you know you cannot/will not re-sign the fella? Either save the monies or make this trade to free up the monies so can sign other players. There was no way Colorado was going to keep Holliday for 2010 so they made a choice in 2009.
Carlos Gonzalez, though, qualifies as an “A” prospect. Smith might or might not (BA ranked him #19, I think, on last year’s list). And a young closer on top of those. If that’s really the package, I wouldn’t say the A’s only gave up very little.
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Have read Gonzalez has potential but is he truly an “A” prospect? He has been involved in two trades within the last 12 months or so. Teams tend to keep the plums.
Well, it says something when you’re the centerpiece of the Dan Haren trade.
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Yeah the guys he's been traded for
are both All Stars.. meaning he probably is in fact an A-prospect
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Before this season, BA rated him #22 on their top 100 prospect list, just ahead of guys like Matt LaPorta, Andy LaRoche, and Angel Villalona. That says “A” to me.
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by EliminateMe on Nov 11, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
That was before this year though
He didn’t exactly have a great 2008. With Oakland or in Sacramento. But it should be noted he barely had any experience above AA before this year.
if they didn't give up much to get him, then it seems better
It just seems like Colorado would be able to get more than scraps for him and that the A’s would have to give up more than they would be able to get back in supp. round pick.
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 10, 2008 12:17 PM PST reply actions
You could also put that in an analogy with Scott Hairston
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 10, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
LHP Greg Smith is meant to be one of the pieces. This is about right, since I dislike the guy already with his pickoff magic, and now he’s one of the hated Rox
Doesn’t this trade, like, immediately double the A’s payroll?
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Names being thrown around: Huston Street, Greg Smith, Carlos Gonzalez
pretty good haul for the Rockies.
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if that's what it is, i mean
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Carlos Gonzales?
wow… if the A’s give him up for a rental on a team that isn’t going anywhere, I’ll be very surprised.
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So let me get this straight. The team that was contending until they inexplicably gave up on the season now decides to go all in on a season? wow.
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by Speedforthewin on Nov 10, 2008 12:51 PM PST reply actions
Even with park adjustments, he’s a .400+ wOBA hitter.
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He was .860 and .892 the last two years. Plus, pretty much everyone hits worse on the road than at home.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. Pretty much everyone hits worse than their true talent level on the road than their true talent level at home. Obviously, park factors would need to be taken into account as well.
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also
Holliday had some decent protection in that lineup. The A’s have none other than Cust. Giambi might help some if they get him.
I don’t think there is any actual evidence that lineup protection matters.
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aurilia and 37 HR do the trick for you?
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by haverecords on Nov 10, 2008 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Are you asking me if one example of a guy having a good year hitting in front of a good hitter proves something that is basically impossible to prove?
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Where does this one year in front of someone stuff stop?
Does Rich Aurilia’s 2002 invalidate his 2001?
Does JT Snow’s 2005 invalidate his 2005?
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I don't know
but Durham’s 2007 definitely invalidates his 2007.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Yeah, let's use road stats,
and throw out half of what happened.
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It worked for Alfonso Soriano!
Remember how terrible he was in Washington after leaving Texas?
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Or Mark Teixeira
He sucked in Atlanta and LA.
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by Kitspool on Nov 10, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The Holliday trade
will probably be the denouement of Moneyball: The Movie, where a frazzled Billy Beane (Brad Pitt) invites Matt Holliday (Billy Baldwin) into his office and proceeds to give him a stirring speech about on-base percentage.
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I'd prefer
“Moneyball: The Musical”.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
what the A's get
Holliday for 1 year + 2 comp picks when he leaves. seems like a decent haul.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 10, 2008 1:58 PM PST reply actions
Agreed
1 year of Holliday + 2 comp picks could be worth more than Smith (who has a solid but unspectacular ceiling), an over-rated outfielder in Gonzalez and a young but quickly declining and injury prone closer in Street.
Well, that certainly would be the A’s spin.
Although I agree about Smith and Street.
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 10, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Wait a dang...
…Street and Smith?
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Smith sucks.
Smith is the overrated one. His peripherals are crap. Scouting wise, he’s a flyball pitcher with a mediocre fastball, so-so command and control, who relies on throwing away, away, away, and hoping that he either gets the call, or the hitter chases the pitch. He very likely got lucky on hits on balls in play this season. The one thing he has going for him is his pickoff move.
It’s Gonzalez who might become something for the Rockies. Nice tools, but yet to translate his tools into actual production. His 813 OPS in the minors is pretty damn mediocre, considering he spent most his time in the minors in hitter friendly environments.
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the key is he (Gonzalez) was always very young for his level, but yes, as of now he’s more about potential than performance. Colorado is certainly an ideal environment though, if he can’t make it there, he can’t make it anywhere
by NeifiChicken on Nov 10, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he was very young for his levels
I should have mentioned that.
Between him and Aaron Cunningham, the other OF the A’s got in the Haren trade, I’d take Cunningham.
Gonzalez has tools. Cunningham has the better numbers, especially when you consider that unlike Gonzales, he was playing in more pitcher friendly environments when he was in the WS system. They’re the same age
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Yeah, Smith in Colorado is going to be ugly.
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Agreeing with your agreement.
If they don’t trade him by August getting extra picks in the top 50 or so is huge. Hell its huge for any franchise but even more so for a smaller wallet. This is just Beane setting up for 2014 or so. Anything Holliday does is almost gravy.
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Another benefit
The A’s also get the “rep” that they will be serious players in trades and free agency this winter.
by wilriv21 on Nov 10, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a pretty poor trade for the A’s if you ask me. That’s a lot to give up for one year of Holliday. I’d assume they’ll want him longer term, but with Boras as his agent i doubt he’ll agree to an extension & they’ll have to pay him a shedload if they do want to re-sign in a year.
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To the A’s??? FTW…
Anyway he’s out of the NL west which is nice.
There seems to be some confusion about which A’s are going to the Rockies in return, but it seems to be Huston Street, starter Greg Smith, and stud prospect Carlos Gonzalez…. I also read there may be players to be named later and money changing hands, and from all the major sports outlets they seem to be confused as to what exactly is being traded. Regardless, any reactions?
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It’s Smith, Street and Gonzales.
And Rosenthal is reporting that the A’s are not planning to flip Holliday to another team, but might even go after Furcal.
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It would be, it would be so nice
Didn’t see that coming. I didn’t know he was being shopped.
Isn’t Holliday a FA after this season? Seems like a lot for a 1-year rental. And don’t the A’s have more needs than a 1-year rental "missing piece"?
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The Oakland A’s have apparently added Matt Holiday to their roster via trade today.
http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20081110/matt-holliday-heading-to-oakland-athletics/
Ay caramba, this is big news. The best bat in the division has been removed, paving the way for a Giants NL West Crown in ’09. Oakland must be sending quite a package of youngsters to Denver for this deal to go through.
And Oakland moves from a team that had no chance of winning their own Western Division to one that might only lose to the Angels by fifteen or so games.
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if the sign giambi and they add holliday that becomes a way better lineup instantaneously….too bad the giants dont have the prospects to make a trade like that
rockies will ship street too….http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/11618874
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Perhaps...
Ulnar Maws might be able to weigh in on the situation.
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I still have a hard time
believing they got Holliday for just those 3. Makes me wonder if Brett Anderson is in the deal as rumored by ESPN earlier.
No way. That would be a HORRIBLE trade for Oakland.
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I hope not. Though its a wide margin, the A’s are my 2nd favorite team. And I have Brett Anderson as the 4th pitcher for the Giants in Baseball Mogul and he deals. Leading the league in Ks in the 1st month of his rookie year. Id hate him to be with the Rox. I am confused by Beane’s last 2 offseasons but I’m curious to see what’ll happen. ESPN says Ryan Sweeney included too?! Geez that would be terrible
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