Three Giants pitchers win MiLBY awards
By now we're used to Madison Bumgarner winning awards and drawing acclaim. Same thing with Tim Alderson. Kyle Nicholson joined the party when the three starters won minorleaguebaseball.com's Best Starting Pitcher awards in their respective levels.
Bumgarner's numbers and ability need no introduction. Alderson stood out among a San Jose staff of fantastic starting pitchers, posting the best ERA in the league at 2.79. Nicholson finally earned some praise for his outstanding season with the rookie team in Arizona. Last year's seventh round pick out of Texas A&M walked just three batters in 62 1/3 innings. He was a perfect 6-0 in his final seven outings, a big part of the rookie Giants winning the AZL title in 2008.
Typically I would file this under fanshot, but having three starters sweep the A-level starting pitcher awards is a pretty big deal.
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Nicholson
I have read a lot about Bumgarner and Alderson on these pages, But I have not been paying attention to Nicholson. If it isn’t a re-tread, I would be interested in hearing a little bit about the guy, how he pitches, projections, and if he was either too old for the AZL league or someone worth keeping an eye on.
by cwelgin on Oct 31, 2008 4:58 PM PDT 0 recs
Here's a link to his article
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by giants9107 on
Oct 31, 2008 6:11 PM PDT
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Yea..
I’d never heard of the guy honestly.
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by WalrusMan on
Oct 31, 2008 8:37 PM PDT
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Browsed under "kyle nicholson scouting reports" and found:
17. Kyle Nicholson, rhp, Giants
B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-0 Wt.: 205 Age: 23 Drafted: Giants ‘07 (7)
It’s extremely difficult to rank a 23-year-old college pitcher among the top prospects in a complex-based league, but it’s even harder to ignore Nicholson based on his performance this year and the potential to move quickly through the Giants system. A seventh-round draft pick in 2007, he needed Tommy John surgery shortly after turning pro. He returned 10 1/2 months later to pitch the entire season in the AZL, tossing a complete-game shutout in his final outing to clinch a playoff berth.
Nicholson’s numbers were outstanding as he led the league in ERA (1.15) and K-BB ratio (54-3) while ranking second in wins (six). Despite his dominance, he stayed in the AZL all summer to keep him from overextending himself so soon after surgery.
He has three quality pitches, an 87-89 mph fastball with exceptional late sink, a changeup and a curveball. He could regain velocity as he gets further removed from his surgery. He spots his pitches very well and changes speeds effectively.
G GS W L SV ERA IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG
11 11 6 1 0 1.15 62.2 34 10 8 1 3 54 .159
On the MILB Draft Tracker for 2007 Nicholson was listed as 5’11" but that should not be held against him.
Based on some informal reports I found Nicholson was reported as having a mid 90’s fastball and a devastating slider in college, and was thought to have a closer’s mentality. I don’t think these were reports from actual scouts, but rather fans blogging, although it is possible he did throw that hard pre-TJ.
All things considered, he sounds like a pretty promising prospect, and could make a solid #5 starter or a reliable long reliever/spot starter, especially considering how far he has progressed just coming off TJ surgery.
by baseballjunkie on Oct 31, 2008 6:46 PM PDT 0 recs
Is it a common occurrence for someone with a sub-90s fastball to make it in the big leagues? Most of the successful soft-tossers I can think of (e.g. Maddux) are veterans who threw harder when they first came up. Maybe Nicholson will start throwing harder again, though. Still, with 3 walks in 62 innings, he’s worth keeping an eye on. On a staff with Timmy, Cain, Sanchez, Zito, Wison, etc., it would be good to have some pitchers with pinpoint command. Kind of the exception to the rule around these parts.
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by neurofarm on
Nov 1, 2008 8:26 AM PDT
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If I remember correctly, Maddux rarely touched ninety mph. His effectiveness was based on his ability to mix speeds, movement, and excellent control. His most sucessful period was in Atlanta where he virtually lived on the “black”. Maddux was/is a very “smart” pitcher. He possesed the ability to read hitters as well, if not better than any pitcher in the game. Anyone else have an opinion/stats on Maddux’ velocity ?
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by nvsfg on
Nov 3, 2008 12:17 PM PST
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72% groundball rate too. For reference, Brandon Webb gets groundballs ~65% of the time. Nicholson’s rate will likely go down as he advances, but it’s damn nice to see.
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by marcello on
Nov 1, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
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We've been having some good late-round finds the last few years
Pucetas, English, Sosa, Aaron King, Scott Barnes, Mike Loree, and now this guy.
by boonitez on Oct 31, 2008 11:18 PM PDT 0 recs
Thanks for bringing this to light...
I too follow the Giant’s prospects when I can. I am familiar with many, but this is the first I have heard of Kyle Nicholson. I read the MLB article, and offer three observations on it, for whatever they are worth…
1) FTA “In 62 1/3 innings over the summer, Nicholson struck out 54 while walking only three. " Good to see a young pitcher that knows how to pitch. I have always remembered something the great Satchel Paige once said, when he was asked for the secret to his success: "Home plate don’t move, man. Throw strikes”.
2) It seems that he needed Tommy John surgery shortly after turning pro (I estimate somewhere early/mid 2007. There was another fellow like that who the Giants took a chance on. He was the second banana to the great arm that everyone noticed on the great LSU team in 2003. His name was Brian WIlson. Wilson threw hard, but was a bit wild. The Giants drafted him anyway (in the 24th round). And, like Nicholson, Wilson had TJ surgery before turning pro as well. It did take WIlson some time to recover, and then develop, but after what he did in 2008, I imagine the Giants are happy that they were more patient with him than they were with Joe Nathan. By the way, the top banana on that 2003 LSU team – Billy Sadler – was was also drafted by the GIants (6th Round).
3) FTA “The 23-year-old right-hander cemented the honor by not allowing an earned run over his last four starts and yielding only one run over his final seven outings. During that span, he went 6-0 with an 0.19 ERA, yielding 19 hits while striking out 45.” I do not know about the caliber of hitters in the AZL, and I realize he is a 23 year old college player in a league that may have quite a few younger players, but those are dominant numbers. If he does this while still recovering form TJ surgery, and his arm strength improves to the point where he again can throw in the low to mis 90’s (as he was rumored to be able to do in college), the Giants may really have something here.
by kar120c on Nov 1, 2008 1:50 AM PDT 1 recs
From what I recall
Nathan didn’t have TJS, he had some sort of shoulder problem. However, Kurt Ainsworth was another pitcher the GIants drafted who had TJS early, first year of college if I recall right. He didn’t turn out so well. We are still waiting on Foppert as well. However, Waldis Joaquin has been OK since returning from TJS.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on
Nov 3, 2008 2:08 PM PST
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It seems like a 23 year old should be dominating rookie ball and probably wouldn’t stand much chance of making the Show. But stranger things have happened.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Nov 1, 2008 10:18 AM PDT 0 recs
Meh
I would counter the enthusiam I see here by noting that a 23 year old who can’t strike out over 9.0 K/9 when the AZL is full of inexperienced 18 year olds need to show a lot more at higher levels before I annoint him anything. Yes, he had a great season in rookie league after TJS, but still, against inexperienced 18 year olds for the most part.
This is true for any pitcher who cannot strike out a lot of batters at the lower levels, they have to rise a level and prove themselves all over again.
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