Changing Ballpark Dimensions
by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
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PrintOutside of Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent, the Giants have had a serious power shortage ever since they moved out of Candlestick. Now the Giants probably won't change the park's layout but almost anything would improve the HR total.
I have my thoughts on this but I'm more interested in yours, so as a starter question, do you like the current layout of the 3rd Street Yard? I like the layout, but worry that long term the FA hitters aren't going to want come here unless we over pay for them.
Pitchers seem to like it but will a pitching dominant team mean a world series? Would slight park adjustments make it closer to what seems to dominate the ball parks of the rest of the country (outside the NL West)?
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To be fair I would be open to having random trenches dug in the outfield as well.
Maybe jungle tripwire or something fun like that.
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I think this had been said many times..
Our park factors have consistently been around 1 for HR and runs. There is nothing wrong with the park.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
according to that chart, its never been above 1 for homers and the only 2 times its been close (over .9) were the two years without Bonds (2005, 2008). Tt averaged under .8 for homers over the last 7 years. its also only been above 1 for runs twice as well, though the average is close to 1 at .96. In recent years, though, it has been much closer to 1 than in the earlier years in the park. Not surprisingly, it is a great yard for hitting doubles and triples.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 23, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly
Players who complain about the park layout are the biggest pussies in the world.
Seriously, It’s a fucking baseball park. They are all basically the same, and if the wall being 20 feet farther in some spots keeps you from hitting as many ZOMG HOMRUNZ you probably aren’t that great of a player anyway.
So man the fuck up and play some baseball.
The Giants power drought is because of the players, not because of the park. If Rich fuckin Aurilia can hit 37 HR’s in this park in 2001, it’s not the park.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
Or Richie was having some assistance....
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
So bullshit speculation is how you argue your counterpoint? Shirley, you aren’t serious.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Perhaps you have heard of Barry Bonds & Jeff Kent
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I started out assuming you were referring to steroids or something to that effect… I’m now thinking you’re talking about something else… Like they were such good hitters, Aurilia got better by osmosis?
FWIW, Kent wasn’t displaying his typical power or hitting ability in 2001.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Actually, I think it was implied that hitting in front of those guys ensured plenty of fastballs.
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It was
I just wanted to throw out “osmosis.” If that’s wrong, I don’t want to be right.
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no, no, no
It’s “Stop calling me Shirley”
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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 23, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
like that guy who hit behind him
who hit 73 homers. what was his name again?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 23, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
+2
an additional +1 for parroting me
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
from what I can tell, we posted at the same time.
In any event, I thought your original implication was fairly obvious.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 23, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
i think you just won newcomer of the year right there.
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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 23, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
GOTV?
Yeah TV is awesome, you’re right.
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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 24, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
honestly
aren’t you one of many who is always complaining about Dodd Stadium?
by thehondohurricane on Oct 23, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Me?
You will never hear me bring up park effects as either an excuse or a reason for anything meaningful.
Good players are good players. I could care less about Dodd.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Oct 23, 2008 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The NL West have the most extreme parks in the bigs.
AZ and COL both have extreme hitters park, always top 5 where SD and LAD are always bottom 5 with ATT right smack in the middle.
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Arizona seems to be up and down so I'm not inclined to call it a HR hitters paradise (see center field)
And while Coors was a launching pad, recently it’s become more of a death by a thousand cuts doubles & triples haven…or at least it seems that way to someone who watches however many games the Gigantes play there.
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I just had the craziest thought ever!
You know how both competing teams play a game in the same stadium? Well, that means the dimensions of the ballpark don’t really favor one team over the other, in terms of hitting! What favors one team more than the other is… Drum roll please… Better hitting!
So obviously, bringing in the fences is the only solution that will possibly make the Giants winners again. It’s as Anne as the nose on Plain’s face.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Both teams play in the same stadium
But the Giants play at 3rd & King 81 times a year. I’d imagine at a minimum it’s a bit demoralizing to hit a blast 419 feet and have it be caught
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
morale: the #1 imagined problem facing the giants offense
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Christ, must we really discuss this stupid dead issue again?
you say:
Outside of Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent, the Giants have had a serious power shortage ever since they moved out of Candlestick.
which you are completely wrong about.
In 2002 the Giants became the first team in NL history (I think) to have 6 players hit 15 or more HRs, including power hitting studs like David Bell who hit 20. In 2002, the Giants were 2nd in the NL in HRs in a year where Bonds hit a fairly modest 46. This is after leading the NL in HRs in 2001 (the year Bonds hit 73 of course) and being 3rd in the NL in 2000.
The Giants have not had “a serious power shortage” since moving into the new park. What they have had is a complete lack of power hitters the last several years.
Now can we please drop this discussion and move on to Cain for a power hitter trade proposals?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 23, 2008 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
Matt Cain for Prince Fielder! We get a power hitter and only give up on pitching!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
and then we could move the fences in to 250 feet and watch Fielder hit 100 home runs!!!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 23, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's move the fences in to 250 feet and watch Cain hit 100 home runs!
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Oct 23, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
imagine the power hitter we could trade him for after that!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 23, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets move the fences in to 250 feet and watch Cain give up 100 home runs!
OMG he sucks…
Tim Lincecum is Baseball's Chuck Norris
The years you mention also happen to be years where Kent & Bonds were hitting in the line up
And if you have power hitters in front of you, you’re going to come up with runners on base when they get walked. Conversely you’re going to see better pitches if they are hitting behind you.
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
So then, then problem isn’t that it’s hard to hit homers at AT&T…it’s that the Giants don’t have any good hitters.
GOOD THING MOVING IN THE FENCES WILL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM
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ummm those are both HOF players
Kent (as much as I dislike him) is going to end up being the best power hitter at 2B in ML History, and Bonds is the greatest HR hitter of all time.
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
nahh
Utley has 160 HR at age 29. He’s just entering his prime.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 23, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So we don’t need Hall of Fame caliber players, we need a smaller park.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Of course we need HOF players
It’s just easier to get by with less pop in your line up (IE Anyone who plays in Philly) if you have a slightly (notice the word) smaller park
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
It's beer!
Hooray beer!
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OK..
the years that he mentioned had Kent & Bonds in the lineup. THEY ARE GOOD HITTERS. Subtract them, and you have the team you have now. THEY ARE NOT GOOD HITTERS. Hence, HR shortage.
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo… I’m a little confused, are you making the argument that we need to bring in the fences, or that we need to better control the weather?
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No..
We need to drink beer.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 23, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I made some awesome redneck black & tans tonight
Guiness and COORS LIGHT FTW!
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Oct 23, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I feeling like buying all the world’s Guiness, so that you can never do that again.
Also, then I’d have all the world’s Guiness.
I agree.
Might as well just pee into your Guinness if you’re putting Coors in it.
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by FairweatherFan on Oct 25, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Main point of the arguement is
1. We need better hitters
2. Knowing that the Giants won’t produce these better hitters by draft, trade, or FA, they should do something to give themselves a better shot of winning.
3. I’m hoping it will be pitching but I’m realistic enough to think that something field wise will be changed.
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
But the other team’s hitters will still be better than ours. There’s still a talent gap that will lead to losses.
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Here's the crux of your point:
You don’t think the Giants can get better hitters, so you think they should fuck up the park to inflate home run totals for the home team. Never minding the fact that the visiting team will enjoy the same benefits as the home team, thus eliminating any sort of competitive advantage the Giants may have enjoyed.
It all goes back to the same damn counter-argument. The Giants need better hitters. They don’t need to muck up the ballpark so you can see the water cannons fire off a couple more times a year.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Do you have a better idea
assuming the Gigantes can’t/won’t obtain better hitters in the draft, trade or FA?
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 24, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Build the team as you can.
This ballpark isn’t going to play as a power ballpark without amazing hitters in the first place. So you build a doubles team. We have big gaps so if you hit it there, you get a double, in RC you get a triple. Build to that. Have OF that can learn the wall, learn the gap, learn how to position yourself.
Beauty in that is that on the road a few of your doubles turn into HR, but otherwise your doubles stay. And then you still have a good defensive OF on the road.
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I think you meant to say “Speed and Defense” !
….ducks :-)
You are correct however. The Giants should take advantage of the quirks at AT&T. These guys are a professional baseball team after all.
A friend of mine is a lifelong Dodger fan, and he has immeasurable hate for Randy Winn due to the way he has learned to play the RF wall at the phone booth.
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I think my love for Randy Winn has something to do with how much Diamondback and Dodger fans hate him.
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re: Do you have a better idea
Yeah, it’s called build a better team. This isn’t rocket science, dude. I just have more faith than you do that the Giants can once again field a competitive ballclub. I’m not going to assume that the Giants can’t get real hitters just because you want to believe Sabean is too dumb to know how.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
55 years of evidence say otherwise..
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 25, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve seen you say on this board. And you’ve said a lot of dumb stuff. I will now boil down you’re stupid argument to the core essence of the idiocy you’re sharing on this site:
“The Giants can’t build a winner because they haven’t won the World Series in 55 years. They can’t win the World Series because they don’t have enough power. This failure of 55 years is obviously the fault of ATT Park. Therefore, the only way the Giants can ever win a World Series is not by making a better team, but by shortening the distance between home plate and the outfield walls. This will fix our power shortage of recent years, and will completely fix the gap between the Giants and the better teams.”
Congratulations, you’ve actually outdone yourself in terms of making a case for a retarded point of view.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
There is no need to move in the fence nor any other gimmicky chicanery, smarter hitters is the cure to this red herring of a topic. Barry Bonds was a smart hitter, unlike every other dope who swaggers into town in their road greys only to be shocked, I say shocked, when on that first Friday evening their booming shot out too 420 results in a long fly out, these hitters should take a tip from the home run king and, you know, not be stupid hitters. DUH. Study the park and how it plays, and you may be able to figure some shit out. Every game we hear Kruk or Kuip say “that would have been a home run in every other park.” If these big lumbering galloots were smarter hitters, they may have different results.
Smarter hitters???
I don’t think we really see a benefit from that. Look, the only way the Giants truly get an advantage is to move in the fences, particularly in right field. Personally, I think all fences should be moved in to 200 feet. That’s the only way to solve the home run crisis this team is suffering through. And it’s the surest bet to getting back to the World Series!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
WONDERLIC TESTS FOR ALL HITTERS FTW!!!!!!!1
We’ll weed out the galloots.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 23, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
with sharks!
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by i did my job on Oct 23, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
with freakin lazer beams!
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
And pizza!
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
GREAT IDEA!
I think this topic should be brought up every couple of weeks!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 23, 2008 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
Remember what?
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 23, 2008 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
this was
actually the idea “crazy” Gary Huckabay (of BP "fame") to solve the Colorado problem. No park HRs, only inside the parkers.
I actually think this would be cool, but obviously makes no sense at AT&T.
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Come on
It’d be awesome to see a low line drive right over the right fielder’s head skip into McCovey Cove for a homerun.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
And to balance out the closer fences
We should have pitchers throw out of a 3 foot hole in the ground instead of a mound. And the first and third base coaches get to fling lit cigarettes at them during their windup while bringing up embarrasing things about the pitchers ancestory!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 23, 2008 3:30 PM PDT reply actions
I could get behind an idea like this...
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I know I’m in the minority, but I always thought they should close off triple’s alley and then right field would play a bit more fair and there would be a few more homers, though I’m not sure how much more. Bonds probably lost at least 5-10 homers a year hitting it out there.
But other are right, too, that the answer to the power drought isn’t bringing in the fences. It’s getting more power hitters. Frankly, righthanders shouldn’t have a problem hitting homers here. RH power hitters are the type of guys we need to get.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 23, 2008 3:41 PM PDT reply actions
I asked John McCain end even he thinks moving in the fences would be a cockamamie idea
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Joe Biden told me it was “Malarkey!”
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by jponry on Oct 23, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Is it just my drugs
or does the car appear to be laughing as well?
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 23, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
i can't see the funnies :(
because the air force blocks all my images out here.
cry for me.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
he was engaging in a rhetorical flourish.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 23, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
another thought
perhaps the cold weather and wind patterns have something to do with the lack of homers more than the dimensions.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 23, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
maybe we can speed up this whole global warming thing and it will solve that.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 23, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
unfortunately, things are going to get colder before they get warmer.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 23, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
IT’S CALLED GLOBAL WARMING. NOT GLOBAL GETTING COLDER FIRST THEM MAYBE SOME WARMING BUT YOU’LL BE DEAD SO IT WON’T MATTER TO YOU.
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We don’t need Hall of Fame caliber players, we need to change the weather and wind patterns in San Francisco!
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you're awfully cranky tonight
Or maybe i don’t read often enough
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Jr's been on edge
Ever since the rash of crappy trade fanposts.
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by FairweatherFan on Oct 23, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
A) This is correct, and
B) I thought it would seem less edgy if I used the Guinness “Brilliant!” guys to soften the blow of making fun of dumb ideas, like bringing in the walls of the ballpark.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
I haven't advocated bringing the walls in
If anything we should move the diamond closer to them to keep the outfield the same (geometrically) and maybe it’s a 408 alley vs 421 alley
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn't and Can't
Shouldn’t:
Moving the plate would move the fans further from the game. The Giants sold Charter Seat Licenses just a decade ago on how close fans would be to the game. Moving the plate would upset those fans, and primarily the highest-paying ones. Between not having Bonds-the-meal-ticket and the recession, pissing off those that can afford to pay exorbitant amounts of money is a bad, bad idea.
Can’t:
Baseball has a minimum distance rule for the outfield: 325 to the lines, 400 to the center field wall. The Giants received a special exemption for right field due to the unusual plot of land they got the stadium on (They got the exemption because Baseball wanted a new park desperately in SF, because the Giants agreed on the extra-high wall to make up for it, and baseball recognized the unique draw of the Splash Hit). Right field aside, all it would take is 10 feet to make left field too short, and just one foot to make center field ineligible.
Moving the plate won’t be an option.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 24, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh...
Link for the MLB rule:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/objectives_1.jsp
Rule 1.04, see note at end for the rule of stadiums post 1958.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 24, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Finally someone gives me a logical reason why my idea won't work
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 24, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Those rules..
Are hardly enforced. I think there are dozens of stadiums built since the rule was put in that don’t obey the rule.
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Stadiums that 'violate' the rules, built or first used after 1958
Quite a few, but not ‘dozens.’
Aside from AT&T Park, of course:
Sicks’ Stadium (Seattle) – 305 in left, 320 in right; One-year home of the M’s while the Kingdome was built.
Tropicana Field (Tampa) – 315 in left, 322 in right; Existing stadium the Rays moved into and MLB has said ‘needs’ to be replaced.
Minute Maid Park (Houston) – 315 in left; Compensated for with a high wall. Lot size issue?
Petco Park (San Diego) – 396 in center, 322 in right; Other outfield dimensions are ginormous.
Camden Yards (Baltimore) – 318 in right; Lot size exemption, high wall compensation.
Kingdome (Seattle) – Originally 315 in left and right; Higher than normal wall around the stadium (at least 18 feet down both lines).
PNC Park (Pittsburgh) – 399 in center; Odd angle in center, but no obvious reason or compensation, though it is just one foot off.
Of the eight, the only three I don’t understand would be PNC, Petco and the Kingdome. The Kingdome’s configuration was changed often, though the right field line would always violate the rules (the left field line was eventually moved past 325 feet). WIth PNC…I just don’t know. I wonder if the field was originally estimated for 400 but they remeasured when built and something was off. And Petco…well, the dimensions don’t exactly help hitters, though the right field line just has the one section jutting out, so the rest of right isn’t that shallow.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 24, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, missed one...
The L.A. Colisuem, which had comically short lines (252 in left, 300 in right) a la the Polo Grounds. But it was also a temporary stadium until Chavez Latrine was built.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 24, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok..
Not dozens but yea, I still don’t think that the rule is really enforced. I think that the size of the field is generally garnered by the lot size, and if you can generally fit a baseball diamond there, then you’ll put it there and change little things to fit it there.
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You're moving it in that much?
Do you realize then you’re moving the foul poles also (unless you’re planning on changing the 45* angle to a wider angle at home plate. Then you have something like a 390 CF wall. That is crazy close.
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"Pitchers seem to like it but will a pitching dominant team mean a world series?"
Yes? Did the Brewers or White Sox make the series? No. The two teams with insane rotations did. Pitching counts most in the playoffs, and it’s certainly a great strategy for winning in the regular season. And I don’t get why people want to move the fences in so badly. They seem to be forgetting that if we moved them in, it would infact help the teams we play against too.
They seem to be forgetting that if we moved them in, it would infact help the teams we play against too.
Explain how
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wouldn’t we just move them back to their original position in the top half of every inning?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 23, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
because it wouldn't just be an advantage for us
It’s not like the fences would only be moved in for us. If anything, it would hurt us because every other team has more power than us, which would mean they would get more homers in our park.
Fell in.
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to a sarchasm?
dammit shoulda noticed that…
a HR that is going to go over a 408 wall is worth just as much as a HR that goes over a 421 wall
I’d like to see stats to see how many outs we lost vs gained on shots to the 421 sign
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by homerdrew415 on Oct 23, 2008 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet those stats would indicate that the Giants give up more runs than their opponents if the fences come in.
The Giants have one of the more extreme flyball starting pitching staffs in baseball.
They were #1 in the NL this year for FB% with 39.3%.
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That’s just for the starters, it doesn’t include the bullpen.
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On the flip side, the starters did have the best K/9 in the NL with 7.82 and that includes Zito’s terrible K/9 of 6.0.
Still, moving the fences in is a bad idea and not really a solution.
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http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?lg=nl&stats=sta&type=1&season=2008&month=0
The new FanGraphs team page stats are really helpful.
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One more point to make:
Least amount of HRs on the road in the National League?
San Francisco Giants!
It ain’t the park, it’s the bats. And the guys holding the bats.
so...
…if you add the bullpen, do they move up in those rankings?
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
It actually lowers it by .1% but we’re still #1 in the NL I believe.
If you look at it by the entire MLB, only the Rays gave up more flyballs than Giants pitchers. Our problem is walks, we rank 2nd in the MLB in BB/9 while the Rays are more middle of the pack.
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I'm guessing..
That’s 2nd highest not 2nd best.
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I was meaning..
BB/9.
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wat?
The Brewers and White Sox barely made it into the playoffs because they’re not all that great of teams.
Also lol at anyone considering the Phillies rotation insane. Cole Hamels, insane. Everyone else, insane in the membrane maybe, but probably not even average, much less insanely good.
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exactly
They were built on pretty much all offense, which was my point. It’s extremely important to have a good rotation, especially in the playoffs. If we were trying to win a world series, building a great pitching staff would be a very smart thing to do. And also, the Phillies rotation is pretty insane. Cole Hamels, Brett Myers (who has been much better recently), Jamie Moyer, Joe Blanton? Pretty excellent 1-2-3-4 right there.
A smart, winning organization
will build a team tailored to its home park, thus giving it an advantage over the visiting opponents, and the best chance to have the upper hand for at least 1/2 of its games.
For the denizens of AT&T Park, that means designing a lineup with hitters who are not lumbering hulks regularly swinging for the fences, unless, of course, that hitter is surnamed Bonds. I think the Giants are somewhat moving in the right direction, drafting good hitters with gap power (e.g. Posey, Gillaspie) who can muscle up and hit the ball out of bandbox stadia when the game situation calls for it. Pablito is another hitter who seems to be well suited to AT&T Park. It remains to be seen if and how Villalona will fare in Mays Field, but early reports suggest he has the power to hit the ball out of any park.
I am anxiously awaiting the 2009 June draft to see if the Giants remain true to their stated goal of building a team built around speed and defense (and GOOD, not necessarily POWER, hitting).
So rather than build your park around your team to mask its weaknesses (while perhaps accentuating the strengths of your opponent), it is better to build your team to fit your park.
Bring in RCF - 421ft is too deep
Create a lower level bleacher and can have a more than fair 385-400ft RCF.
Also remove mounds from foul territory.
Keep mounds in foul territory.
I love that there’s another obstacle.
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If the dimensions were to be changed it should only be in right-center, cutting off part of triple’s alley, which, with the high wall, is ridiculous. The weather at night. when most of the games are played, makes the 421 play even deeper. There should be a way to put a chain link fence in front of the three archways closest to the center-field wall in away that it would not really mess with the architecture of the park.
Argh!
No more chain link fence, please.
Let’s just move back to the stick.
VOTE NIBLETS!
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 23, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No more family environment. No out of town fans taking over the stadium. More available tickets. I’m in!
Let me just get my jacket…. -slices open tonton-
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
And I thought they smelled bad
On the outside…
Down in Front Meat!
by homerdrew415 on Oct 24, 2008 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, no more family environment?
What about the RF family pavillion?
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Chain link fence? Come on, this is a multi-hundred-million dollar ballpark, not a middle school.
by satyricrash on Oct 23, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the dimensions.
Really, the only place where you can make a difference in RC field. RF can just have a horrible wind coming in and only Bonds can split through it. In RC you can pull the fences in and get some more HR. But I think it’s more of an advantage to have a few outs made a year with long HR and gain the advantage of Winn/Schierholtz playing a ball perfectly off the wall and limiting a player to less bases/getting an outfield assist. You also get the opposing RF misplaying a ball and giving our players extra bases.
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NO!
Let’s just drink so the statue of liberty will take her clothes off.
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Halfway there!
Need more Jeager.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Oct 23, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep drinking. It gets better
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Oct 23, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
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