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Would You (another hypothetical trade post)...(not Cain related)?

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I came across the interesting idea of swapping Winn for Derek Lee.

I would personally approve of a straight swap because it would accomplish a few things:

PROS:

1. Schierholtz could play everyday in right

2. We acquire a first baseman with a gold glove, high batting average and at least moderate power

3. Sandoval could try his hat at 3rd or catcher if Molina is traded

4. Lee's Contract lasts only 2 more years; so we're not saddled with him long term

CONS:

1. We'd add about 5 million per year to the team payroll for this year and 12 million next year. (since Lee's contract lasts through 2010 and Winn is in the last year of his contract)

2. Ishikawa and Bowker get pushed back into reserve roles. (Though Bowker can still man the outfield corners and would be a very nice 4th outfielder)

3. Both players have no trade clauses, I think it would be more of an issue with Lee than Winn.

What does everyone else think?

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God, yes. I don’t see why either Lee or the Cubs would go for that, though.

by Evan on Oct 22, 2008 10:30 AM PDT   0 recs

They wouldnt

I would though

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 22, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not bad. Not bad at all.

I would say Con 2B ( Bowker) does not really exist because he should be in AAA for at lest part of next season. I think I would something small out of thier minors though. Short of Winn having catastrophic year he should be at least a "B" grade free agent next winter so would want something for the sandwich pick and for taking on their bigger contract.

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by daveinexile on Oct 22, 2008 10:32 AM PDT   0 recs

I’d say that the “something” you’re talking about would be the superior player in this deal (Lee). Yes, Randy is a good player, but he doesn’t play a position of need and he doesn’t contribute power. I’d say we’re getting plenty of value for him in this scenario (so much that the Cubs would never make this trade).

by cornball on Oct 22, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

1 year of Winn filling 3 spots of need on a contender + $17MM + a top 50 draft choice for 2010 =
2 Years of Lee – at least 1 year when this team would be under 500 even with him.

No I am not buying that. Looks too much like a win now move for the Giants. And they are in no position to win now.

I do agree the Cubs don’t move Lee to another team unless the get something lined up for first base before hand. By the way I am rather fond of Lee. Just for the record.

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by daveinexile on Oct 22, 2008 4:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Moving Lee for the Cubs makes some sense as it would give them some additional dollars to go after Texeira. Tex would be a good fit for that lineup being a switch hitter, adequate defensively, and Lee’s equal or better in the hitting department. Winn makes sense for the Cubs because he’s decent defensively (better in RF), can also play CF, and gives some additional balance to their lineup.

All that being said, it’s make too much sense for either club to pull it off.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Oct 23, 2008 8:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Like frilly toothpicks, Im for it.

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by Takimoto on Oct 22, 2008 10:47 AM PDT   0 recs

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by chilibean_3 on Oct 22, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely. But are the Cubs dumb enough to make that trade as is?

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2008 10:51 AM PDT   0 recs

I think a lot depends how unhappy they are with Lee’s contract vs. his production. They need a lead off man. The need a left handed bat. They are definitely in a winning this season and the next mode. They would probably get a sandwich pick from it. More likely would be move Winn for a 2-3 prospects that they don’t look to be critical to their needs in the next couple years.

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by daveinexile on Oct 22, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don’t they refuse to move Soriano from leadoff because they think it hurts his production?

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure. I am also not sure of accuracy of the rumblings Sorriano thinks it hurts his production.

/shrugs

But he would be good candidate to move into the 3 spot and drop Lee out of hart of the order if they feel Lee’s power is flagging off enough. They were hot and bothered over Roberts, from the O’s, last off season partly because of putting him and is OBP in lead off.

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by daveinexile on Oct 22, 2008 12:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it would be

borderline retarded to bat soriano at leadoff. He’s got a career .518 slugging percentage. The dude also has a career .329 on base percentage.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 22, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yet look at their Batting orders on B-R and the cubbs do it quiet a bit.

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by daveinexile on Oct 22, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the fact that they did it

doesn’t make it right. Fukudome or Theriot probably should have been leadoff all year. I’d prefer Theriot, but I don’t know if he can keep putting up 22+ LD. It’s very dumb to bat Soriano leadoff.

Stolen Bases are overrated.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 22, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You identified one point ( Its not a bright thing to do). I identified another point ( They are doing it). I figured we were both smart enough to connect the two points without extra help. Neither of us doubt the two points being joined.

So yes we agree.

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by daveinexile on Oct 22, 2008 4:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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by WalrusMan on Oct 22, 2008 8:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely, although I don't think that's the rumor really

I don’t see any reason for the CUbs to do this. It just opens up a hole at 1B

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 10:55 AM PDT   0 recs

tex?

they want a lefty bat. dunn, giambi and ibanez, if they’re willing to sacrifice defense? i don’t know what they intend on spending this offseason, but there are plenty of options and they’d be one of the few contenders looking to fill that hole.

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by jasomack on Oct 24, 2008 10:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’d love it, but I don’t know why the Cubs would do it.

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by jponry on Oct 22, 2008 11:10 AM PDT   0 recs

Yes

But the Cubs wouldn’t.

(Prove me wrong, guys!)

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by groug on Oct 22, 2008 11:27 AM PDT   0 recs

How many more ways can we say...

I love the trade, but why would the Cubs make it?

I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on Oct 22, 2008 11:39 AM PDT   0 recs

Let’s try to find a few more.

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by groug on Oct 22, 2008 12:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

¿Adoro la propuesta, pero por qué lo harían los Cachorros?

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by i did my job on Oct 22, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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by EliminateMe on Oct 22, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Winn for Pie?

I’d do that, although I don’t know if the CUbs are still in love with Pie. Or how well they rate Winn’s defense compared to the basic defensive metrics we know

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 12:02 PM PDT   0 recs

countdown to first “Apple”, “Banana Cream”, or “Shepherd’s” joke in 3…2…1

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 12:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

pumpkin please!

I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on Oct 22, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

meh

I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on Oct 22, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

baked goods for Angel!

by tyrannoman on Oct 22, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Cubs would do it

for the reasons noted above: they want more salary flexibility (to pursue coveted FAs this offseason) and they want a lefthanded bat with good defense for the outfield. A Winn-for-Lee swap does that and nets them about $4 million/yr more towards those FA hopes.

As for the Giants, getting Lee for his two remaining years and $26 million may seem steep, but he’ll also get them good defense, a .285 average, and 20-25 HRs and 90 RBIs per year as well. And Lee would be a great two-year bridge to Angel Villalona in 2011.

It also allows the Giants to return to the idea of putting Pablo at 3B for the next several years at a far lower cost than what it would take to get and have Adrian Beltre. By doing this, they could then focus on improving the middle infield with another power bat (JJ Hardy anyone?) for Jonathan Sanchez and another player. I only wish they could move Rowand also, but I guess I shouldn’t get greedy.

Having Burriss (for 2B) lead off, and be followed with:

Rowand
Lewis
Hardy
Lee
Molina
Sandoval
Schierholtz

wouldn’t be too bad. And we get to keep Caincecum intact, and could bring up Joe Martinez for the 5 spot, assuming Lowry makes it all the way back. Plus, we’d still have the money to upgrade the bullpen.

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by Buck Henry on Oct 22, 2008 12:06 PM PDT   0 recs

The other big benefit for the Giants:

They no longer have to pretend Bengie Molina is a cleanup hitter.

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by EliminateMe on Oct 22, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But....

now they have a 1B vacancy (as well as middle of the order gap) they need to fill, with only an extra 4M to play with.

Is there some Iowa Cub stud 1B I’m forgetting?

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Daryle Ward?

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 22, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They might want Texiera?

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by Azmanz on Oct 22, 2008 3:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you know, they just might.

by tyrannoman on Oct 22, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

do they have that kind of cash?

by sam23 on Oct 23, 2008 11:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Throw in Ishikawa for a minor leaguer on the cubs end maybe.

If Villalona isn’t ready in two years (which is probably a safe bet, Sandoval or Bowker could take over for a few years, or maybe someone else will come along

by Keenlow on Oct 22, 2008 4:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jason Marquis for Winn (or comparable CF)

is much more realistic in my mind. Although, not a deal I’d certainly want personally. Some other team could do it though

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 12:27 PM PDT   0 recs

Yuck

no

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 22, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BANNED

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Oct 22, 2008 10:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Everyone here is asking why the Cubs would do it.

My question, why would the Giants do it? This reminds me of the Konerko trade that some argued for prior to 2008.

Lee is a going to be 33 year old 1b, who in the last 3 years has had OPS+ of: 112, 131, 111, and will cost $13M /2.

Is he really all that much better than someone like Russ Branyan?

Why not spend the money, even if it is more, on someone better, instead of an ageing OKish 1b whose skills appear very much to be on the decline.

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by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 12:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Big name...decent upside

He is only one year removed from a very good season, plus his glove brings added value to the table I believe.

Above all, he is a name and has more upside than anything else the Giants could get for Winn. Problem is, I don’t think we could get him with Winn.

McC certainly values Winn more than his market value, and as good as he was last year, we should be playing Nate Schierholtz so if we can get something as good as Lee, I think people would be thrilled

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, Rafael Furcal

is also a big name. Adam Dunn is a big name. Mark Teixeira is an even bigger name. And Sabathia can be an even bigger name AND a home town hero.

Why does it have to be Winn for Lee? Why not dump Winn, if you really think his market value is so low, either get a stopgap Branyan / Phelps to fill 1b, or go with Ishikawa, and then use the money you would have given Lee as part of a bigger deal for a better player.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 1:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

difference

-Teixeira and CC are 7+ year commitments with 120-150 million tied up
-Dunn is probably a 5 year, 75 million dollar commitment, and to me he seems like a guy who could be the next Richie Sexson
-Furcal would be 4 years, 50 million in all liklihood and carries tons of health risks

Teixeira is really the only guy of those 4 I’d even think about investing in, but at 7 years/140 million potentially, I just don’t know if that’s worth it.

A two year Derek Lee investment is much more managable

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 1:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh yeah

and virtually all of those guys will cost a 2nd round draft pick, which carries some value

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 1:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just because a contract is small doens't mean that it is better

One example, some of Billy Beane’s worst moves have been “manageable” contracts such as Esteban Loaiza, Mark Redman.

Carl Pavano’s contract, for a big market team, at first glance is also appears fairly manageable. $40M doesn’t apppear a lot.

Jose Guillen’s contract, is also “manageable”.

The problem with (over)paying for OKish players is that:
it’s easier to find OKish players than stars.
An OKish player who declines even slightly, is pretty much no better than essentially “free” talent.

Furthermore, for whatever reason, 1b seems to be a position where “free” talent is more easily available: teams still appear to underrate the cheap100-110 OPS+ 1b types.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 1:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t consider Derrek Lee in the Loaiza, Redman, Guillen range. The guy posted a .400 OBP in 2007. He has had a better career than any of those names above. I also think because Derrek Lee still has a seeimingyl good reputation in the bigs he would walk a great amount with a Molina/Sandoval backing him up the lineup.

Would I rather have Teixeira? Of course, he’s a much better player. Would I prefer Teixeira for 7 years, 140 million? I don’t know, not to mention I don’t know how willing he would be to come here.

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, Derek Lee in his prime

was definitely not in the Loaiza et al range. Even so, he was never all that special. He has a career OPS+ of 123 as a 1b.

The issue is how likely he’s likely to get back to a 130 OPS+ level.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd tend to agree

I don’t think the smart money is on him returning to 130 OPS level, but I do think he will bring a good OBP, possibly .375-.390 given the relative lack of sluggers in this lineup.

With one good year, he immediately has good trade value, which is the true value I see in him.

All that being said, I think the move would ultimately be quite good. It’s a big name that pleases fans and doesn’t cripple the future at all. He could even prove quite useful to the current team and future teams (via trade) and we clear a way for Nate to play.

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 2:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Getting Lee to get us to Villalona

at 1B would be great, even if we had to throw in Taschner.

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by Buck Henry on Oct 22, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

for that to happen

We’d probably have to extend Lee until 2012… ;)

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 2:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If he can't return to a 130 OPS+ level, he really isn't worth

$26M / 2. Not as a 1b. OBP or no OBP. OBP is nice, but he is a 1b paid a fairly large salary. He has to slug.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 2:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

what else

are they going to use the money on?

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Oct 22, 2008 3:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, Wrigley is a hitter's park.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 2:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point.

last 3 years: 955 OPS at home, 774 away

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by Azmanz on Oct 22, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

valid point, although doesn’t OPS+ adjust for park anyway?

Wrigley field isn’t the sole reason for those splits, it just helps accentuate them.

And Lee doesn’t need to be a 130 OPS+ player over two years to justify his deal, if he can give us one year close to that we can trade him. If Lee hits .299/.375/.475 he could probably be traded for a decent package of prospects. If he does better, he can DEFINITELY be traded for a good package of prospects

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 3:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, yeah, OPS+ adjusts for park

but you’re saying that he had a 400 OBP in 2007. Tha’ts not park adjusted.

As for trading him, I don’t believe so. Trading an ageing 1b with declining skills for a decent package of prospects isn’t going to happen. Not in a market where MLB GMs value their prospects. The most likely scenario is someone giving you a C prospect, and taking him off your hands.

In 2008, league average EQA for 1b was 283. In 2007, 279. IN 2006, 281. Lee in those season, 279, 299, 282.

Paying him $13M, and having to give up something for him, he pretty much has to return to his 2007 levels and maybe very slightly worse than that, for him to be worth it.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 23, 2008 12:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If he put up good numbers

I would think that we would want to keep him because in 2010 we would (hopefully) be close to contending.

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by Azmanz on Oct 23, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree. Lee isn’t that good and will be expensive. I’d rather trade Winn for a prospect and spend the money somewhere else.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Oct 22, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus..

I think it’s fair to say Konerko’s 2008 was quite unlucky. His LD% was higher than 2007 and while his expected BABIP should have been around .333, it was at .247

He still posted a good BB/K rate, decent power, and even in a poor year posted an OPS+ of 103, which isn’t terrible (until you factor in his salary). Konerko is certainly overpaid, but I’m sure he’ll bounce back and aside from that, I think Lee is a better player

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 12:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Konerko is a sinking ship (lol Hillenbrand). I expect him to have a Richie Sexson crash in ’09.

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by xanthan on Oct 22, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not saying I'd want Konerko, but...

what do you base a Sexson like collapse on? Sexson was one of the most strikeout prone batters of his era, Konerko strikes out plenty, but not in Sexson’s league and those rates have been stable the past 4 years.

I think down the road Adam Dunn is more prone to a Sexson-esque collapse than Konerko is anytime soon

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 1:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The amazing declining ISO!

It’s not as sharp as Sexson’s decline, but it’s going down and when you consider that Konerko plays in a very good hitters park and Sexson played in Safeco, I wonder how much his decline in power has been masked by his home park.

If you look at his ISO on the road this year, it’s even more apparent.

He’s a slightly below average defender with declining power and entering his early mid-30’s. I’m not sure what there is to like about Konerko right now. Just reminds me too much of Sexson’s decent into old player skillsitis.

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by xanthan on Oct 22, 2008 1:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I misspelled ‘descent’ and for those interested, the White Sox’s home park was the top park in the AL in ‘08 for HR’s. That’s why I think Konerko’s park is masking some of his power decline.

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by xanthan on Oct 22, 2008 1:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

his career is certainly going downward, but throwing around the Sexson word is too drastic in my opinion. Sexson became one of the worst players in baseball, and was far more prone to striking out than Konerko.

As the power left, the strikeouts stayed, and that killed Sexson. Konerko will be hurt too, but I wouldn’t put him in Sexson territory. Decline, yes, rapid fall into most damaging player in baseball? No.

I don’t like Konerko either, but I just don’t see him dying like Sexson just yet. I guess we’ll see

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by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One thing to consider re comparisons with Sexson

Sexson is 6’ 8’. He has a huge strikezone.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

103 OPS+ from a 1b with bad D,

and is slow like a Molina on the bases is pretty damn poor. And I agree that he’ll bounce back. PROVIDED he can stay healthy.

But all that misses the point. The point is that a Branyan, or a Phelps can give you a level of performance at levels that are only slightly worse than that of an ageing Konerko, at minimal wage.

Which allows you then spend the money elsewhere.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 1:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm a Phelps guy

I’m all for cheap options at 1B. However, I think Derek Lee can be something much more and would be willing to roll the dice on his upside.

While I think Konerko will bounce back to a degree, I agree, Phelps isn’t too much worse for millions less. However, I think Derek Lee could be worth a great deal more, especially when you factor in defense and name value.

Derek Lee posting another 130 OPS+ year would give him tremendous trade value for next year

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Oct 22, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up