RUMOR: Giants believed to be considering Manny.
Scott Boras tells Yahoo's Tim Brown that Manny pays for himself. Brown says the Giants are "believed to be considering" Manny; they similarly signed an aging Barry Bonds to a large extension back in '02 (four years with an option). Brown feels the American League is a better fit for Manny, though.
Scott Boras is still two weeks from what he calls, “setting up my little Popsicle stand” at baseball’s general manager meetings, which will be held at the St. Regis Resort Monarch Beach in Dana Point, Calif., once home to the AIG bail-out party and new home to the Manny Ramirez coming-out party.
Among Boras’ other freezer flavors: Mark Teixeira, Derek Lowe, Oliver Perez, Jason Varitek and Eric Gagne.
In a wobbly global economy, at a time New York Yankees officials are said to be genuinely concerned about the pace of season-ticket sales in their new ballpark, and with GMs looking at a bottom-heavy free-agent class, Boras believes he has the financial remedy in Ramirez and, to a slightly lesser degree, Teixeira.
“It is a rare market,” the agent said, “where you have two position players that will pay for themselves. And these are franchise players who not only pay for themselves, but make a difference on the field.”
In going on three decades of player representation, Boras said, only two of his previous clients – Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez – have held similar “iconic value.”
Ramirez, in particular, he contended, would bring an organization revenue at least equal to that of his salary, whatever that might be. Hard to argue after witnessing Ramirez’s three-month impact as a Dodger. Boras wouldn’t speculate, but it’s fair to assume he expects Ramirez to draw offers of $25 million or more over at least three years.
As Manny gleefully said on his way out of L.A. last week, after batting nearly .400 for the Dodgers in the regular season and more than .500 in the postseason, “Gas is up and so am I.”
He earned $20 million in 2008 and his contract held $20 million options for the next two seasons until extricating himself from them at the trading deadline.
Along with Teixeira and lefty CC Sabathia, Ramirez, even at 36 years old, stands at the front of this free-agent class. The roster drops rather quickly after those three, from team-altering to useful and finally to passable.
Assuming the well-heeled franchises believe the new Manny is here to stay, expect the early activity around Ramirez to be healthy.
The Dodgers are in, or at least in enough to ensure they finish second in the bidding. Dodger fans have been trudging dutifully to Dodger Stadium for years with little in return and expect Manny in left field as payback for their loyalty. It could have some bearing that Ned Colletti had a hand in extending Bonds’ contract in San Francisco by five years when Bonds was 38, a deal that worked out in terms of revenue and production if not necessarily overall organizational happiness. Ramirez, like Bonds, brings the bat that lasts forever.
Having lived a season without a formidable bat in the middle of their lineup, the Giants are believed to be considering Barry II, in the form of Manny I. Especially at a time of Zito 126,000,000.
The New York teams have to, at least, price out Ramirez, as they both need outfielders, though not nearly as much as they need pitching.
The Mets’ priorities, in something like this order, are for a closer (Francisco Rodriguez or Brian Fuentes), starting pitching that doesn’t cost as much as Johan Santana (which leaves them out on Sabathia, but in on Lowe, A.J. Burnett, Perez and Ryan Dempster), middle relief and a left fielder. Omar Minaya was strangely passive regarding an available Ramirez at the trading deadline and the organization has great hope for prospect Fernando Martinez, but the Mets might not be able to resist Ramirez in free agency. They soothed the previous September by acquiring Santana. Now there’s another September to soothe and, like the Yankees, a new ballpark to fill.
The Yankees’ plan is to go hard on Sabathia, Burnett (if he opts out of his contract with the Toronto Blue Jays, as he is expected to do), Fuentes and Teixeira. Expiring contracts have left them a $90 million surplus. They also seem ready to act like the Yankees again after a season in which the new organizational philosophy left them out of the playoffs. They bring a new, assertive Steinbrenner who, like the old man, never saw a hole he didn’t think couldn’t be stuffed with money. There are questions as to whether Sabathia could be content pitching in New York, and Fuentes would willingly enter into a set-up role until Mariano Rivera retires. Regardless, the Yankees will again be huge players in free agency, nothing over until the Yankees say it’s over. Just like the old days.
Indeed, if Sabathia is willing, it is difficult to imagine him anywhere but in the Bronx. The Yankees are desperate for him and almost certainly will top the six-year, $137.5 million contract Santana received across town last offseason. The Milwaukee Brewers will take their shot. So will everyone else with a financial pulse and a void near the top of their rotation, organizations such as the Dodgers, Los Angeles Angels, Chicago Cubs, Texas Rangers, Chicago White Sox and Boston Red Sox.
But, as usual, Ramirez will run the Popsicle stand, or at least provide the flavor. If not the Dodgers or the Giants or in some corner of New York, then, the Toronto Blue Jays, Baltimore Orioles, White Sox or Philadelphia Phillies. He undoubtedly is better suited for the American League, where his legs – and enthusiasm for chasing balls into the gap – would be allowed to die in peace. That’s where the longer-term contract offers – four and five years – probably lie.
But, the Dodgers also stand to lose Lowe, Rafael Furcal, Casey Blake and Brad Penny, along with various other sometime contributors (Jeff Kent, Nomar Garciaparra, Greg Maddux, etc.). After Ramirez conducted the late-season run that drove them to the NLCS, the Dodgers simply couldn’t return to Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre, could they? They couldn’t return to the gloom of the previous 20 years, could they?
Not in these times. Not when the price of a Popsicle just went up again. Not to mention gas.
Key words are "believed" and "considering". Anyone know if he can play 1B though?
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Screw that noise. If we wanted Barry II we should (or should have) just signed Barry I!!!
by rotorueter on Oct 20, 2008 11:30 AM PDT 0 recs
I'd kick his tires...
In fact, given the chance, I’d kick him all over.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Oct 20, 2008 11:30 AM PDT 0 recs
5 year deal for a 37 year old plz.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Oct 20, 2008 11:34 AM PDT 0 recs
Didnt we sign Bonds to a 5 year deal when he was 36?
Thats just off the top of my head, so i dont know if thats right or not.
by kvdp12 on
Oct 20, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
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Actually, it was in January 2002, so he would’ve been 37 at the time.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on
Oct 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
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Manny will be 37 next year too.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
Oct 20, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
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and this is Manny freakin' Ramirez
Listen, I don’t care much for the guy either, but I mean, come on, look what he did for The Team That Must Not Be Named.
by Viliphied on
Oct 20, 2008 12:20 PM PDT
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They were only like 6 games over .500 with Manny, you know. He did make a huge difference, but it didn’t exactly turn them into world beaters.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on
Oct 20, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
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Playing in the NL West is what got the Dodgers into the playoffs.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on
Oct 20, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
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The Dodgers were better pre-Manny than we are now, though.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on
Oct 20, 2008 12:51 PM PDT
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k
still,
Winn
Frandsen
Manny
Pablo
Molina
Rowand
Ishikawa
Burriss
tell me that’s not a lineup that could contend in the NL West, without even having to think about giving up pitching.
by Viliphied on
Oct 20, 2008 12:55 PM PDT
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That's not a lineup that could contend in the NL West
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on
Oct 20, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
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This lineup (probably) could not contend
If the Giants are considering signing Manny, how would this team be all that different from the ‘07 team that had Barry Bonds and went 71-91? 7 weeks more of Lincecum? Pablo Sandoval? Travis Ishikawa? additionally, where would Fred Lewis play? how would Manny effect the good vibes in the clubhouse? With Manny, we’d sell more tickets but would still be lucky to sniff over .500
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on
Oct 20, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
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weeks more of better lincecum
progressing sanchez, no dave roberts starting, no career year of suck from ray durham, no omar vizquel starting, no pedro feliz starting, no rich aurilia starting, no benitez, better bullpen in general.
so, pretty much everything.
This, of course, assumes that Burriss, Pablo, Ish and Frandsen are at least about average collectively.
by Viliphied on
Oct 20, 2008 3:36 PM PDT
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i don't think so
they only have to be average collectively. I don’t think it’s a stretch to think Frandsen will be ~ avg, Ish and Pablo are big ?s but they’ve done well so far.
by Viliphied on
Oct 20, 2008 5:21 PM PDT
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At this point, Giants fans don’t know what to9 expect from Sanchez. He has tons of potential and should progress, but realize that Sanchez finished the season with an ERA of 5.01. that doesn’t scream #3 starter, he has shown flashes of brilliance but needs to have an ERA under 4 for the Giants to be dominant in the rotation. Also remember that this team was first in the majors in their record in 1 run games. That has been shown in the past to be a skill which is not repeatable. Finally, the bullpen has been rumored by fans for years to be much improved and that has yet to happen. I will believe it when i see it
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on
Oct 20, 2008 4:38 PM PDT
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if only 3 members made up a bullpen, you would be correct
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on
Oct 20, 2008 11:11 PM PDT
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how is the rest
of the ’07 bullpen not at the best a wash with the rest of what the ’09 pen will be?
by Viliphied on
Oct 21, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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bullpens are hard to predict. On paper, the Rays looked coming into the season to have a average at best bullpen, and look how that turned out. It is very hard to have a consistent bullpen from year to year due to the large variability of performance among most relief pitchers. We can’t assume that just because the bullpen is an area of need and we address it that it will be good next season. If we had a dominant bullpen we could contend, but there is no way of predicting that at this point we will have a dominant bullpen next season
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
by Speedforthewin on
Oct 22, 2008 6:31 AM PDT
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I agree
Looking back, I do not think there were too many that thought the ’02 Giants pen would be as good as they were. Nen was a given, but the rest were crapshoots.
by Lars The Wanderer on
Oct 22, 2008 7:59 AM PDT
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also
they would have been at the very least in contention all year in any division if he was there all year
by Viliphied on
Oct 20, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
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okay
I disagree. Ramirez OPS+’d 213 for the dodgers in 187 AB’s. While he didn’t propel them to a 15 games over .500 pace, he did pick up the slack in the second half while Loney, Martin and Kent all had subpar to bad and Angel freakin Berroa played short. he also benched a very unproductive Juan Pierre.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on
Oct 20, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
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How is that a disagreement with what I said? I said he didn’t turn them into world beaters… I don’t see any way in which one could argue that he did.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on
Oct 20, 2008 12:53 PM PDT
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when did anyone argue that they were world beaters though?
by Viliphied on
Oct 20, 2008 12:55 PM PDT
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Unless I’m reading the thread wrong, SLO responded to my post in which I said they weren’t world beaters saying that he disagreed with me.
I get confused sometimes though, so he might not have been responding to me.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on
Oct 20, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
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nope nope
me being retarded and reading too fast. You said he was awesome and i fully agree. I think he could have turned them into world beaters, but mostly he just made up a ton of offense that left when angel berroa had to play ss. Without him, I don’t think they win 80 games.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on
Oct 20, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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Rough calculations ahead!
6 games in 2 months is pretty great. That works out to 18 games over a full season, which is the record the 1997 Giants had. If Manny could do that for us, I’d be pretty happy.
I tend to doubt that he could do that for us.
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by groug on
Oct 20, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
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Also. We will be giving up picks too right?
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by ejdacanay on Oct 20, 2008 11:35 AM PDT 0 recs
I believe
Manny is a Type A, which means we’d lose our 6th overall…….to the Dodgers?
by Gob on
Oct 20, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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2nd round pick
and if SF signs Juan Cruz like many would like it would be our 3rd round pick.
by wilriv21 on
Oct 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
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No
Top 15 picks are protected.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
Oct 20, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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Yayyyyyy
Still though, i’d rather not send any picks to the dodgers.
by Gob on
Oct 20, 2008 11:53 AM PDT
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According to some,
we’d have to give up two picks . . . . to the Dodgers if we sign him. Enough of a reason to avoid doing so.
NO, we're not trading Matt Cain! What's that you say? We are? Armageddon is upon us!
by Buck Henry on
Oct 20, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
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According to whom?
I’m 99% sure that we’d only give up our second round pick.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
Oct 20, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
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Not true Buck Henry
The Giants would only forfeit one pick but if this ridiculous idea came true then the Dodgers would get our second round pick and would also receive a supplemental first round pick.
by slcgiant on
Oct 20, 2008 12:15 PM PDT
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Tim over at MLBTR says
that Manny has already agreed to decline arbitration, so the Dodgers would get two picks. If you disagree, take it up with him.
NO, we're not trading Matt Cain! What's that you say? We are? Armageddon is upon us!
by Buck Henry on
Oct 20, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
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right
the dodgers would get 2 picks, our 2nd and a supplimental pick
by Viliphied on
Oct 20, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
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And slcgiant, you are correct that
I misstated what Tim Dierkes said. The Giants wouldn’t be giving the Dodgers two picks, but the Dodgers according to Tim would get two picks if he leaves. I defer to you guys and Tim as to what the Giants would actually give up to the Dodgers if we signed Manny from them.
Still, I think it isn’t a good move for the Gigantes.
NO, we're not trading Matt Cain! What's that you say? We are? Armageddon is upon us!
by Buck Henry on
Oct 20, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
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If anything, that would hurt the Dodgers, since they’d get our second round pick instead of some other team’s first round pick.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
by groug on
Oct 20, 2008 4:05 PM PDT
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Rumors: I’m crying.
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Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Oct 20, 2008 11:36 AM PDT 0 recs
no thanks
he has Dodger cooties.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 20, 2008 11:40 AM PDT 0 recs
that's quite a "quote" there
is if Fuck Copyright Day?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT 0 recs
Is she hot?
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
by victor frankenstein on
Oct 20, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
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No, but she is easy
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by marcello on
Oct 20, 2008 11:43 AM PDT
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that's hot
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on
Oct 20, 2008 11:44 AM PDT
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Hey Billy, do Paris Hilton’s head in a bottle.
There’s a reference for anybody who has listened to the commentary for the second Futurama full-length.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 20, 2008 6:36 PM PDT
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Billy West is a pretty amazing voice-actor.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 20, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
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No doubt about it. I tried to use his Nixon technique to improve my own impression. I failed.
by chilibean_3 on
Oct 20, 2008 9:52 PM PDT
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His floating ball of energy voice is really something else. I’ve been trying to master it for months, and I’m barely any further along than when I started.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 20, 2008 10:37 PM PDT
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I haven’t heard the commentary for Beast… but I do know who Billy West is!
by Natto on
Oct 20, 2008 10:02 PM PDT
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The commentary is WAY better than the feature, in my honest opinion.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 20, 2008 10:35 PM PDT
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I liked Bender’s Big Score a lot more. The Beast with a Billion Backs had its moments, but some parts didn’t fly with me. I wasn’t completely into David Cross’ character. And what happened with the Fry and Leela relationship? It seemed like they just ignored what happened in BBS.
by Natto on
Oct 20, 2008 11:39 PM PDT
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I also like Bender’s Big Score a lot more. The first 10-15 minutes of BBS were really rough, and those flabby pink guys were annoying, but the story around it and the jokes were all there. It felt rough, but it felt right.
Beast gave me a lot of problems. I didn’t like the treatment of the Fry/Leela relationship, either, and I didn’t like David Cross’s role at all. But then, more than that, it just didn’t have many laughs for me.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 20, 2008 11:49 PM PDT
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The Giants’ should consider Manny, Tex, and every other free agent on the market. Then they should reject most of them. I’ve no problem with them thinking about signing Manny, perhaps even driving up the price the Dodgers have to pay for Manny, as long as he isn’t a Giant.
by tyrannoman on Oct 20, 2008 11:46 AM PDT 0 recs
This
is the only reason we should kick these tires, to drive up the eventual price to LA.
NO, we're not trading Matt Cain! What's that you say? We are? Armageddon is upon us!
by Buck Henry on
Oct 20, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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Dont you think he needs to go to the AL for the length
of contract they are going to be looking for?
That is, he needs to be a DH in years 3, 4, 5 of the deal
he’s getting ready to sign.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on
Oct 20, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
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isn’t that what was written about Bonds? For a bat like Manny’s, you put up with the no defense.
by tyrannoman on
Oct 20, 2008 2:03 PM PDT
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The only Manny we should be considering...
is playing Manny Burris at SS. that is all
by NeifiChicken on Oct 20, 2008 11:53 AM PDT 0 recs
We sure do need another outfielder!
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