An Idea: Cain for Prince and Sanchez for Phillips?
Hey fellas,
Long-time lurker, first-time thread starter.
My basic thought is this: The Giants have done a fantastic job in the last few years of drafting pitching, and now is actually a surprisingly good time to move some of that for hitting that has some long-term potential and fit.

In terms of direction, there are a few things worth considering:
1. Catcher is taken care of, whether it's Buster or Sandoval (Buster, in all likelyhood)
2. One of the middle IF slots can go to whichever of the pups works out best of Burriss, Velez, and maybe Fransden.
3. Like it or not, Rowand has an OF spot locked up.
4. We need to fit Sandoval and Villalona in the long-term plans for the team.
5. I like Fred Lewis as a player on this team long-term
To me, this opens up two nice potential slots: 2B/SS and 1B/3B.
Intuitively, it would be better for our Giants to get a SS, but they simply don't come onto the market that often. As such, we can hope that Manny works as the SS for the next few years and get a 2B with my favorite target (by far) being Brandon Phillips. He is the type of guy that would help generate runs in a variety of ways, which is incredibly helpful for a team like the Giants. Despite having an off year, he was still in the top third of 2B's offensively and had the third-most steals. It is also nice that he has played 140+ games each of the three years he has played at his current level.
With the Reds' current situation, some combination centering on Mr. Sanchez could probably get the job done, and I think it would be 100% worth it for Phillips.
The second major challenge is to finally get a true cleanup hitter. While it would be nice to see a young'n take the spot, those guys are just too hard to find and the team cannot afford to wait around or overpay horrifically in the FA market for one. Prince Fielder has his issues, but he would be an amazing fit for the center of the Giants' order. Much has been made about how it would be best for the Giants' key power guy to be right-handed, and I agree that it could help, but I have zero doubt that Prince could hit it out into the Cove. What's more, he would become an instant fan favorite and let him forge a new identity (plus, the Bay Area is a great place to raise his kids).
Losing Cain in this trade would hurt, but the benefit of solidifying the order with a long-term fan favorite and big producer who plays every day makes the trade completely worthwhile.
Here's how I see that team shaking out over the next few years:
Position Players
1. Fred Lewis, LF
2. Brandon Phillips, 2B
3. Buster Posey, C
4. Prince Fielder, 1B
5. Angel Villalona, 3B
6. Aaron Rowand, CF
7. Nate Schierholtz, RF
8. Emmanuel Burriss, SS
Key bench guys: Pedro Sandoval (plays C for Posey, 1B for Prince, and 3B for Angel- lots of playing time), Connor Gillaspie, and Brandon Crawford (I love the kid)
Starting Rotation
The Franchise
Bridges of Madison Bumgarner
Tim Alderson
Zito
Henry Sosa (or one of the other pups)
Bullpen- Who knows by then, but there would be money to sink into it
As always, thoughts/criticisms/rants are greatly appreciated.
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holy fucking shit
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Oct 2, 2008 4:21 PM PDT 0 recs
I’m glad that the very first reply in this thread 100% mirrors my thoughts on the subject.
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by marcello on
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What… The… Fuck.
WTF wasn’t going to do it this time.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on
Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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How can this still be happening????!???!?!?!??!?

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by camwoody on
Oct 2, 2008 5:11 PM PDT
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H F S
Brad Hennessey: the next Kevin Correia
Kevin Correia: the next Brad Hennessey
by stealth snail on
Oct 3, 2008 12:16 AM PDT
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Your ideas intrigue me.
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by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:25 PM PDT 0 recs
And i want no part of whatever newsletter you contribute to
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on
Oct 2, 2008 4:42 PM PDT
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Why Isn't This In The "Open Stupid Trade Thread"?
by giantsrainman on Oct 2, 2008 4:26 PM PDT 0 recs
lol deserved rainman burn
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
by groug on
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OUT OF NOWHERE!
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by xanthan on
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I feel bad, he’s a lurker and he probably means well.
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by xanthan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:29 PM PDT
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Does being a lurker
Mean he is unable to read? He probably does mean well, but geeeeeeeesh.
It’s almost like, comical at this point.
No wait, it’s way beyond comical.
Arent you supposed to be getting married? :)
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by FairweatherFan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
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Arent you supposed to be getting married? :)
SOON
I’m going to recite my vows in binary.
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by xanthan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:31 PM PDT
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Dude
Binary? Get w/ the program. Hexadecimal these days.
FF FTW!
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by FairweatherFan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:31 PM PDT
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Oh, yes.
/floppy disk joke
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by xanthan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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xanthan married? Is this some real thing or some Judy Steffes thing?
Man, I’m missing out on some things…
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 2, 2008 8:54 PM PDT
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For once, I agree with you
The markets are crashing, GRM is agreeing with the groupthink -
THE WORLD IS ENDING.
Maybe we will actually end up trading Cain.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:29 PM PDT
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I bet Sarah Palin sounds smart tonight. Then we’ll truly know that the end times are here.
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by xanthan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
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She probably will, and McCain will get elected
Maybe if we have another earthquake, Ca will drift into the ocean.
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by FairweatherFan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:31 PM PDT
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Maybe...
Matt Cain will get elected
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on
Oct 2, 2008 4:57 PM PDT
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But it’s a two party system!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 2, 2008 8:55 PM PDT
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um, kinda...
build a bomb shelter, that’s all im gonna say
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on
Oct 2, 2008 8:59 PM PDT
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I also enjoyed that this lineup catapults Angel to the majors, though for the Giants, that’s not far off from what they’ve been doing.
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by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:30 PM PDT 0 recs
What people are trying to tell you, in their typically gentle way, is that we’re so sick of imaginary Matt Cain trade proposals that we just can’t stand it any more. Cain for Fielder in particular has been bruited about again and again and again.
Personally, I’m pretty sick of Sanchez trade proposals too. I like Sanchez.
by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:32 PM PDT 0 recs
BUT DO YOU LIKE LIKE HIM EVAN.
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by xanthan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
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no no no! It’s “like like,” not “like like.”
irregardless, I’ll never tell.
by Evan on
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Grammar dudes are harsh.
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by xanthan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
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5 times a day?
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by xanthan on
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Okay.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
by WalrusMan on
Oct 2, 2008 8:20 PM PDT
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By definition you can’t be right, because it has to be a figure you wouldn’t believe.
by rotorueter on
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5 is a figure I can’t believe in.
I can only count to 2
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by xanthan on
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You would have been able to count to 5 if not for that second tragic thresher accident. And the fact that you were born without toes.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 2, 2008 8:56 PM PDT
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Trade proposals, in general
Are a waste of time.
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by FairweatherFan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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I dunno, I liked NeifiChicken’s Rowand for Swisher idea.
by rotorueter on
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Pedro Sandoval?
Is this his twin brother?
"Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic."
by giants9107 on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT 0 recs
Yeah
That one that swings at sliders low and away…
… and doesn’t hit them.
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by FairweatherFan on
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His evil twin
Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.
by marklar on
Oct 2, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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soooooooooo
By your calculations, who will man the rotation next year?
1. Tim
2. Zito
3. …
4. …
5. …
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT 0 recs
I Was about to say this
More like
1. Tim
2. ?
3. ?
4. Zito
5. ?
Profit?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
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heaven forbid
if the Enchanter goes down, I’m left with Zito to anchor a non-existent roster? No thanks.
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on
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you just about gave me a heart attack
NOT COOL ON A FRIDAY MORNING!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on
Oct 3, 2008 8:23 AM PDT
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Fielding the Fill Ups
Prince for Cain sounds nice if the Brewers would be willing to make the exchange, but would the Reds trade Phillips for Sanchez? And, yes, I realize you did mention a package, which might make it more likely.
On the other hand, Brandon’s hitting has been ordinary outside his home park. I don’t think I would make the latter deal given Jonathan’s high ceiling.
by sharksrog on Oct 2, 2008 4:36 PM PDT 0 recs
lol sharksrog actually responding seriously.
IM THE SHARKSROG
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by xanthan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:37 PM PDT
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Seriously
That’s how I take my Giants baseball. :)
by sharksrog on
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You’re a good man, I don’t care what Goofus says about you.
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by xanthan on
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I don't know
I don’t know. Third base. Nate Schierholtz.
by sharksrog on
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Sounds like a plan.
your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid
by Lyle on
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THE SHARKSROG says
PRAY TO ME!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 2, 2008 8:59 PM PDT
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It's simple
Kill the sharksrog
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
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I think that sharksrog is Batman meme is by far my favorite thing to come out of this baseball season.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
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You mean he's NOT Batman?
There goes my whole belief system.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Oct 2, 2008 10:44 PM PDT
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I can neither confirm nor deny that fact
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Oct 2, 2008 10:53 PM PDT
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fix:
Prince for Cain sounds nice if the Brewers would be willing tomake the exchangeadd in some top prospects as well, because in a situation like the Giants are in, where above average talent is a rare commodity, trading one established major leaguer for one established major leaguer – thus strengthening one position on your club by weakening another creating a zero gain – does not improve this team. At all.
Sorry for the run-on sentence.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on
Oct 2, 2008 5:19 PM PDT
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If
If the Giants traded both Cain and Sanchez, they wouldn’t have much of a rotation, but starting pitching is their best strength among their young minor leaguers. Meanwhile guys like Correia, Hennessey and Misch could fill in.
by sharksrog on Oct 2, 2008 4:38 PM PDT 0 recs
Guys like Correia, Hennessey, and Misch were utterly terrible this year. Replacing Cain with any of them is a massive downgrade, and if Sanchez improves the way young pitchers do next year, then the same will be true for him.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
by groug on
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Since we're actually responding here,
of the three, Hennessey in his short time did fine as a #5 starter candidate. The other two can have one-way bus tickets.
NO, we're not trading Matt Cain! What's that you say? We are? Armageddon is upon us!
by Buck Henry on
Oct 2, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
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i'd like to submit
Correia’s ’07 time as #5 starter.
by Viliphied on
Oct 2, 2008 8:19 PM PDT
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I'd like to submit Schmidt's '03 time as a #1 starter
That doesn’t mean he’s likely to repeat it.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on
Oct 3, 2008 8:27 AM PDT
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I think that was Viliphied’s point – that just because Correia (and Hennessey) had a good end of the year, that doesn’t mean it will translate into success the next year.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
by groug on
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oh
I guess I read that oppositely. Yes, I said oppositely. It’s a Friday, damnit.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on
Oct 3, 2008 2:14 PM PDT
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Guys like Correia , Hennessey and Misch could be used AS fill in
a modern – now – a – go go WPA project.
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
by victor frankenstein on
Oct 4, 2008 9:15 PM PDT
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That would be a joy to watch...
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
Oct 2, 2008 4:42 PM PDT
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This thread is blowin’ up.
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by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:39 PM PDT 0 recs
I’m going to go out on a limb right now and say this thread has the potential to be the new Ryan Rohlinger thread.
by Evan on
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Needs more non sequitur
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
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