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An Idea: Cain for Prince and Sanchez for Phillips?

Hey fellas,

Long-time lurker, first-time thread starter.

 

My basic thought is this: The Giants have done a fantastic job in the last few years of drafting pitching, and now is actually a surprisingly good time to move some of that for hitting that has some long-term potential and fit.

Star-divide

In terms of direction, there are a few things worth considering:

1. Catcher is taken care of, whether it's Buster or Sandoval (Buster, in all likelyhood)

2. One of the middle IF slots can go to whichever of the pups works out best of Burriss, Velez, and maybe Fransden.

3. Like it or not, Rowand has an OF spot locked up.

4. We need to fit Sandoval and Villalona in the long-term plans for the team.

5. I like Fred Lewis as a player on this team long-term

To me, this opens up two nice potential slots: 2B/SS and 1B/3B.
Intuitively, it would be better for our Giants to get a SS, but they simply don't come onto the market that often. As such, we can hope that Manny works as the SS for the next few years and get a 2B with my favorite target (by far) being Brandon Phillips. He is the type of guy that would help generate runs in a variety of ways, which is incredibly helpful for a team like the Giants. Despite having an off year, he was still in the top third of 2B's offensively and had the third-most steals. It is also nice that he has played 140+ games each of the three years he has played at his current level.

With the Reds' current situation, some combination centering on Mr. Sanchez could probably get the job done, and I think it would be 100% worth it for Phillips.

 

The second major challenge is to finally get a true cleanup hitter. While it would be nice to see a young'n take the spot, those guys are just too hard to find and the team cannot afford to wait around or overpay horrifically in the FA market for one. Prince Fielder has his issues, but he would be an amazing fit for the center of the Giants' order. Much has been made about how it would be best for the Giants' key power guy to be right-handed, and I agree that it could help, but I have zero doubt that Prince could hit it out into the Cove. What's more, he would become an instant fan favorite and let him forge a new identity (plus, the Bay Area is a great place to raise his kids).

Losing Cain in this trade would hurt, but the benefit of solidifying the order with a long-term fan favorite and big producer who plays every day makes the trade completely worthwhile.

 

Here's how I see that team shaking out over the next few years:
Position Players
1. Fred Lewis, LF
2. Brandon Phillips, 2B
3. Buster Posey, C
4. Prince Fielder, 1B
5. Angel Villalona, 3B
6. Aaron Rowand, CF
7. Nate Schierholtz, RF
8. Emmanuel Burriss, SS
Key bench guys: Pedro Sandoval (plays C for Posey, 1B for Prince, and 3B for Angel- lots of playing time), Connor Gillaspie, and Brandon Crawford (I love the kid)

Starting Rotation
The Franchise
Bridges of Madison Bumgarner
Tim Alderson
Zito
Henry Sosa (or one of the other pups)

Bullpen- Who knows by then, but there would be money to sink into it

 

As always, thoughts/criticisms/rants are greatly appreciated.

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holy fucking shit

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Oct 2, 2008 4:21 PM PDT   0 recs

I’m glad that the very first reply in this thread 100% mirrors my thoughts on the subject.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 2, 2008 4:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What… The… Fuck.

WTF wasn’t going to do it this time.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How can this still be happening????!???!?!?!??!?

I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.

by camwoody on Oct 2, 2008 5:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

H F S

Brad Hennessey: the next Kevin Correia
Kevin Correia: the next Brad Hennessey

by stealth snail on Oct 3, 2008 12:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your ideas intrigue me.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:25 PM PDT   0 recs

And i want no part of whatever newsletter you contribute to

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 2, 2008 4:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol deserved rainman burn

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.

by groug on Oct 2, 2008 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OUT OF NOWHERE!

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel bad, he’s a lurker and he probably means well.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Does being a lurker

Mean he is unable to read? He probably does mean well, but geeeeeeeesh.

It’s almost like, comical at this point.

No wait, it’s way beyond comical.

Arent you supposed to be getting married? :)

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Arent you supposed to be getting married? :)

SOON

I’m going to recite my vows in binary.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude

Binary? Get w/ the program. Hexadecimal these days.

FF FTW!

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

will you invite her down to the conjugal stats lair?

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, yes.

/floppy disk joke

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

xanthan married? Is this some real thing or some Judy Steffes thing?

Man, I’m missing out on some things…

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2008 8:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For once, I agree with you

The markets are crashing, GRM is agreeing with the groupthink -

THE WORLD IS ENDING.

Maybe we will actually end up trading Cain.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I bet Sarah Palin sounds smart tonight. Then we’ll truly know that the end times are here.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

She probably will, and McCain will get elected

Maybe if we have another earthquake, Ca will drift into the ocean.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe...

Matt Cain will get elected

Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.

by ThrillisGone22 on Oct 2, 2008 4:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt Cain will come in third.

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 5:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But it’s a two party system!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2008 8:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt “Nader” Cain

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 2, 2008 9:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hows that affect his trade value?

by sam23 on Oct 2, 2008 7:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

um, kinda...

build a bomb shelter, that’s all im gonna say

"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."

by i did my job on Oct 2, 2008 8:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I also enjoyed that this lineup catapults Angel to the majors, though for the Giants, that’s not far off from what they’ve been doing.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:30 PM PDT   0 recs

What people are trying to tell you, in their typically gentle way, is that we’re so sick of imaginary Matt Cain trade proposals that we just can’t stand it any more. Cain for Fielder in particular has been bruited about again and again and again.

Personally, I’m pretty sick of Sanchez trade proposals too. I like Sanchez.

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:32 PM PDT   0 recs

BUT DO YOU LIKE LIKE HIM EVAN.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no no no! It’s “like like,” not “like like.”

irregardless, I’ll never tell.

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

irregardlol

by rotorueter on Oct 2, 2008 4:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Grammar dudes are harsh.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Evan

Or Evian.

You decide…

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You wouldn’t believe how often I get called that …

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

5 times a day?

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, okay, not that often.

/pouts

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Like, once?

Ever, I mean.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Like a lot, okay? Mostly by Europeans, okay?

Sheesh.

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay.

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!

by WalrusMan on Oct 2, 2008 8:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

By definition you can’t be right, because it has to be a figure you wouldn’t believe.

by rotorueter on Oct 2, 2008 4:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

5 is a figure I can’t believe in.

I can only count to 2

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Still pretty revolutionary for a binary bot.

by rotorueter on Oct 2, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You would have been able to count to 5 if not for that second tragic thresher accident. And the fact that you were born without toes.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2008 8:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade proposals, in general

Are a waste of time.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno, I liked NeifiChicken’s Rowand for Swisher idea.

by rotorueter on Oct 2, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and the rest of the crap we talk about here isn’t?

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Quiet you!

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pedro Sandoval?

Is this his twin brother?

"Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic."

by giants9107 on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Yeah

That one that swings at sliders low and away…

… and doesn’t hit them.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

His evil twin

Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.

by marklar on Oct 2, 2008 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be awesome.

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

soooooooooo

By your calculations, who will man the rotation next year?
1. Tim
2. Zito
3. …
4. …
5. …

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM PDT   0 recs

I Was about to say this

More like

1. Tim
2. ?
3. ?
4. Zito
5. ?

Profit?

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

heaven forbid

if the Enchanter goes down, I’m left with Zito to anchor a non-existent roster? No thanks.

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Oct 2, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you just about gave me a heart attack

NOT COOL ON A FRIDAY MORNING!

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Oct 3, 2008 8:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fielding the Fill Ups

Prince for Cain sounds nice if the Brewers would be willing to make the exchange, but would the Reds trade Phillips for Sanchez? And, yes, I realize you did mention a package, which might make it more likely.

On the other hand, Brandon’s hitting has been ordinary outside his home park. I don’t think I would make the latter deal given Jonathan’s high ceiling.

by sharksrog on Oct 2, 2008 4:36 PM PDT   0 recs

lol sharksrog actually responding seriously.

IM THE SHARKSROG

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Seriously

That’s how I take my Giants baseball. :)

by sharksrog on Oct 2, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You’re a good man, I don’t care what Goofus says about you.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know

I don’t know. Third base. Nate Schierholtz.

by sharksrog on Oct 2, 2008 4:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like a plan.

your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid

by Lyle on Oct 3, 2008 8:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

THE SHARKSROG says

PRAY TO ME!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2008 8:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's simple

Kill the sharksrog

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 2, 2008 10:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that sharksrog is Batman meme is by far my favorite thing to come out of this baseball season.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2008 10:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You mean he's NOT Batman?

There goes my whole belief system.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 2, 2008 10:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can neither confirm nor deny that fact

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2008 10:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

fix:
Prince for Cain sounds nice if the Brewers would be willing to make the exchange add in some top prospects as well, because in a situation like the Giants are in, where above average talent is a rare commodity, trading one established major leaguer for one established major leaguer – thus strengthening one position on your club by weakening another creating a zero gain – does not improve this team. At all.

Sorry for the run-on sentence.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2008 5:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If

If the Giants traded both Cain and Sanchez, they wouldn’t have much of a rotation, but starting pitching is their best strength among their young minor leaguers. Meanwhile guys like Correia, Hennessey and Misch could fill in.

by sharksrog on Oct 2, 2008 4:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Guys like Correia, Hennessey, and Misch were utterly terrible this year. Replacing Cain with any of them is a massive downgrade, and if Sanchez improves the way young pitchers do next year, then the same will be true for him.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.

by groug on Oct 2, 2008 4:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Since we're actually responding here,

of the three, Hennessey in his short time did fine as a #5 starter candidate. The other two can have one-way bus tickets.

NO, we're not trading Matt Cain! What's that you say? We are? Armageddon is upon us!

by Buck Henry on Oct 2, 2008 5:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i'd like to submit

Correia’s ’07 time as #5 starter.

by Viliphied on Oct 2, 2008 8:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd like to submit Schmidt's '03 time as a #1 starter

That doesn’t mean he’s likely to repeat it.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Oct 3, 2008 8:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that was Viliphied’s point – that just because Correia (and Hennessey) had a good end of the year, that doesn’t mean it will translate into success the next year.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.

by groug on Oct 3, 2008 11:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh

I guess I read that oppositely. Yes, I said oppositely. It’s a Friday, damnit.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Oct 3, 2008 2:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Guys like Correia , Hennessey and Misch could be used AS fill in

a modern – now – a – go go WPA project.

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Oct 4, 2008 9:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This thread is blowin’ up.

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Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Oct 2, 2008 4:39 PM PDT   0 recs

I’m going to go out on a limb right now and say this thread has the potential to be the new Ryan Rohlinger thread.

by Evan on Oct 2, 2008 4:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Needs more non sequitur

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Oct 2, 2008 4:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs