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On that dreadful day when the Giants signed Barry Zito and cursed the franchise for the next seven years. I remember I was making breakfast for the family watching ESPN and at the bottom reads Giants signe Barry Zito to 7 year 126 million dollar deal. My initial reaction was yay (as was most of your, dont hide around it) the Giants signed an ace for the next 7 years. Then Peter Gamons came on with his instant insight noting how he thought this could be one of the worst contarcts ever and the signing made absolutley no sense. I offically hated Gammons; now i respect the hell out of him for seeing that coming so early. SCREW YOU ZITO.

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Anyways, I was optimistic about the first few years of the contract, but I figured it would be hell at the end. MANY people hated every year of this deal from day 1 though.

I think I was at work when I found out, I can’t really remember.

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by marcello on Oct 16, 2008 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The best ones!

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeopardy style

How many foods are shaped like dicks?

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 16, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

200 dollar question correct. Or answer…whichever.

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My initial reaction was yay (as was most of your, dont hide around it) the Giants signed an ace for the next 7 years.

That was not our initial reaction. Our initial reaction is actually preserved on this very Internet website, in Grant’s initial post about the signing.

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by groug on Oct 16, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea..

Pretty much everyone was that.

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish there was a way to find that post………..

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by Lyle on Oct 17, 2008 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scroll down.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Oct 19, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I didn’t really know anything about the AL at the time, and my general baseball knowledge was lacking (was it really only 2 years ago?). I remember my reaction going something like this

  • Cool, we finally signed somebody!
  • Zito…He’s the guy with the curve ball, right? He’s supposed to be really good, isn’t he? I think he was good in MVP Baseball 2005.
  • Holly crap, that is a lot of money.
  • Well, I hope he’s worth it.
  • Seriously, that is a lot of money.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Oct 16, 2008 5:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm

Can’t really remember my reaction to well, but I think I basically was happy that we got a good pitcher. I wasn’t too thrilled with the amount of money, though, since I’d just heard a rumor he was signing with us for 85 mil.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Oct 16, 2008 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was just a typo

He actuallly signed with us for 85 miles…per hour.

Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.

by EliminateMe on Oct 16, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes, my LiveJournal post on the subject.

Title: We call it hateball because Giants fans hate it so much
Dec. 28th, 2006 at 6:03 PM

The lunatic fringe was crowing for Brian Sabean to sign a big free agent. DO IT SABES, DO IT we screamed as we watched free agents get big bucks for being serviceable major leaguers. We worried about the state of the outfield and infield after our supposed “big” acquisitions of Dave Roberts, Rich Aurilia, and Bengie Molina. We knew things were going to get worse and not necessarily before they got better.

The fringe got what we asked for today. Barry Zito is a Giant, to the tune of the largest contract given to a pitcher ever. Seven years, $128 million, no-trade clause for the duration of the deal, with an $18 million option at the end of the deal.

Well, at least we didn’t blow the cash on the likes of Carlos Lee or Juan Pierre. I’m not fretting about the money figures here. Not many Giants fans are. The sticking point is seven, possibly eight years. Zito is durable now. He has been in decline since he won the Cy Young in 2002 but can still pitch well and make a difference. But for the next seven to eight years, he’s ours for better or for worse. A switch to the National League could help his ERA significantly. How will he adjust to the new league and will 2002 become a distant memory as we’re faced with a pitcher who just isn’t as good anymore?

It’s very hard to look at this deal and feel completely good or completely bad about it. I don’t trust Zito to be an ace. I didn’t trust him to do that with the A’s, and I don’t trust him to do that with the Giants. He’ll probably be the opening day starter, keeping the number one spot warm for Matt Cain. Possible rotation for 2007: Zito, Morris, Cain, Lowry, Sanchez/Correia/Hennessey/Lincecum. Morris and Cain could flipflop and if I’m Bochy I’m penciling Sanchez in at 5 and keeping Timmeh Time in the minors for one more year.

That rotation doesn’t look too bad if Zito doesn’t have the shitty April he has had the last few seasons. Not too bad if Morris can figure it the fuck out.

But if this overture was supposed to be HAY THIS IS OUR ACE then I’m sorry, but we’ve failed. We just lost our ace to the Dodgers (barf). While he was also in decline, he was a record breaking, showstopping, game changing pitcher when he was on. Zito hasn’t been that kind of pitcher in years. I no longer have faith in him.

The team is better with Zito, certainly not worse with him. Could we win the division in 2007? Probably, but that’s not saying a hell of a lot because it’s the NL West. This is the sort of deal a team makes when they’re one player away from a title. That we are not.

I want to be proven wrong. I want Zito to come out like gangbusters and dominate the National League. I want this team to go in the right direction. I don’t think that will happen, however.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, LiveJournal.

Emo!

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shut up, emoboy.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*wah!*

I’m going to go write a song about my loss now!

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should have seen my posts when we traded Shairon Martis. That was emo central.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2008 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh..

He actually got some major league action this year.

Eh. Stanton was cool. He became our CLOSER.

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted a poll that year asking who should be the closer: Mike Stanton, Armando Benitez, or your mom. Your mom won the popular vote.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad she couldn’t take the electoral college.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 17, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The electoral college was my mom's safety school.

I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."

by Mayor of 311 on Oct 17, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man I found my post when the Hillenbrand trade went down…

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

link!

Those are the trades where even the people who know it will be a disaster underestimate how bad it would be.

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by oldjacket on Oct 17, 2008 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that one seriously pissed me the fuck off.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Oct 17, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember, I went to see Clerks II that night and I was at Ben and Jerry’s after the movie, having a big cup of Cherry Garcia. I got a text from TK about the trade mid-bite. That ruined my evening.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 17, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw Martis pitch against the Mets this past year. He was just awful. It was like batting practice. He’s young and will probably get better, but no great loss.

Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment

by rxmeister on Oct 17, 2008 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back in the archives of the Giants LJ community, I was like the only person who thought the A.J. Pierzynski trade was a horrible and inexplicable blunder. EYE R SMRT.

What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC

by jcb9 on Oct 17, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t really aware of the Giant’s minor system at the time of the deal. So I was actually happy with this deal at the time. Bleh.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 17, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL @ Matt Cain being the 3rd starter.

by rotorueter on Oct 16, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the nostalgia for losing Schmidt

by Mrbasepaul on Oct 16, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My hot ex refuses to even mention Schmidt. Schmidt’s truly dead to him.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2008 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Secret Agent Schmidt.

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no hot ex's

just cold, buried ones.

by Moggeee on Oct 17, 2008 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AT BEST

I was on that shit in 2006, bitches!

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of wish we had overpaid for Carlos Lee instead of Zito. Oh well.

What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC

by jcb9 on Oct 17, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he could be playing 1B for us right now. I could live with that.

by rotorueter on Oct 17, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We had just driven down to San Diego to celebrate New Year’s at my uncle’s house and we put on ESPN to watch a football game and the bottom line was like “San Francisco Giants sign Barry Zito to 7 year, 126 million contract”.

My reaction was pretty much, “WHAT. NO. WHAT. Well, maybe it won’t be so bad. WHAT. NO. AAAAAAAH.”

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Oct 16, 2008 6:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here are some reactions from the McCoven after Zito was signed:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2006/12/28/123142/11
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2006/12/28/122711/10
As you can see, it wasn’t all rainbows and happy bears.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
comics | cartoons | Nattowear | McFAQ I & II

by Natto on Oct 16, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate it when kenshin is right.

by Dan from NM on Oct 16, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fortunately, this rarely happens.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
comics | cartoons | Nattowear | McFAQ I & II

by Natto on Oct 16, 2008 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, however, for his patients.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering why that didn’t turn up in the search results. I looked for “Barry Zito” but Grant never mentioned his first name in the post.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
comics | cartoons | Nattowear | McFAQ I & II

by Natto on Oct 17, 2008 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in Hawaii for winter break, and I logged onto Yahoo to check my email and read “Giants sign Barry Zito to $126 million contract.”

First reaction: that’s a boatload of money. I told my dad, who said, “You’re kidding, right?”

It never occurred to me that one man could play with the faith of 50 million.

by imovermyhead on Oct 16, 2008 6:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe any fan was excited about that deal.

I just got on the freeway to drive home from work. KNBR teased a Giant signing after the commercial break. My first reaction was, “Who could that be? Nobody worth getting is left. Unless….NO! They couldn’t have. Please, no.” Then Ralph came on and confirmed my nightmare. Sabean! Okay, now was the time to trick myself into thinking it could work. “For a reasonable contract he can be a realiable starter. Yeah, he is clearly declining and was the weakest of the A’s big three, but he could be solid for us for a long time.” I was lying to myself.
I then heard the contract details. I didn’t have anything to say after that. I just turned the radio off and didn’t think about the Giants again for a while.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 16, 2008 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Depends on what you say about fan.

If it’s someone who follows baseball closely, then yea they probably hated it. For people who follow the Giants closely but not really other baseball teams, they probably looked at his stats quick and said, “bleh.” If they were casual Giants fan (I think we know who they all are) then they were, “YAY CY YOUNG!”

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you’re right.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 16, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bean , if you had just jerked your wheel to the left and plowed into oncoming traffic you’d feel better now.

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Oct 17, 2008 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember changing my sig.

“Zito! Awwwwright! Now we’re…..oh no.”

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Oct 17, 2008 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in Hawaii at the time on vacation. I was awakened at 7:30 in the morning by a text message from my friend stating “I think we just signed Barry Zito.”

by deuce deuce on Oct 16, 2008 7:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the general consensus..

Even was better than what we’re actually getting. I think someone (hey perhaps it was me!*) said that it was a nifty 2 year deal (first two years are 14 million) and then a horrible 5 year deal (then it escalates to 18 and 20 million).

*Note: wasn’t me.

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m proud to say I was anti-Zitonian when anti-Zitonian wasn’t cool (see link above). I’d still love to trade Zito in 2010 after Cain, Lincecum, and Sanchez all outperform him next year – which was my prediction at the time. Sadly, no one will want Barry then.

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by Lyle on Oct 17, 2008 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must be a dummy

Because when I heard about the Zito signing, I was visiting SD at a friend’s house and was hoping oh yeah, we just need one more player and we’re almost there, maybe since the NL west sucks so bad we can do something, and Zito has proven himself to be a fine #3 starter, he can teach Cain and Lincecum how to pitch, keep the ace slot warm while they mature, and he’s a #2/3 right?, and since he’s pitching at Pac Bell and in the NL he’ll be better, right? and uh, uh, we didn’t sign Vlad but at least we signed someone, uh, right? Now I have learned the errors of my ways, thank you McCovey Chronicles

by Mrbasepaul on Oct 16, 2008 7:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn

I wish the Giants were good

by Mrbasepaul on Oct 16, 2008 7:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My gubernatorial candidate in Ohio had just won his election, and I was working the ticket hotline for the Inaugural Ball. In between calls, I pulled up Rotoworld, read the news, immediately went on break, and called my dad with mixed feelings.

by rotorueter on Oct 16, 2008 8:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was in Hawaii...

That was a fun one.

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by AngelintheInfield on Oct 16, 2008 9:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What's with everyone being in Hawaii?

I mean, come on, are we all rich now?

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by WalrusMan on Oct 16, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to Hawaii on my own bill once. In retrospect, that was probably an abuse of my financial aid.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note to self: never go to Hawaii during the offseason again. It encourages Brian Sabean to sign people to retarded contracts, apparently.

by deuce deuce on Oct 16, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor is the problem

You go there, then the airline you took goes belly-up and you don’t have enough money for a return ticket. So then you get a job, but everything’s so damn expensive that you’re stuck eating spam all the time. Pretty soon, you’re so fat that the airline makes you buy two seats.

it’s a vicious cycle.

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Oct 17, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the Spam

can’t get enough of the stuff

by rightcenterfielder on Oct 17, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was with Angel’s girlfiend while he was in Hawaii

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Oct 17, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

she was there to tell him she had contracted herpes

by wilriv21 on Oct 17, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at work. And I hated the signing at the time. I didn’t like the fact that Zito was getting worse, I didn’t like the amount of money we paid him, and I sure as hell particularly didn’t like the number of years we gave him. That’s what stuck the worst, and was the primary reason I hated the signing. I didn’t like the number of years.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 16, 2008 9:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stuck in the worst traffic ever on my way up to Heavenly to go snowboarding. My sister’s friend (a chick that loves baseball as much as I do) was checking ESPN news on her phone and said “Oh wow, the Giants signed Zito.” I won’t lie, I was initially happy, until she told me the contract terms. On top that, I only got to board for 2 hours in the most miserable fucking weather. Worst day ever (well, not really, but it sucked.)

Barry Zito: so-so command of the changeball

by jordanovich on Oct 17, 2008 1:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I won't go back and look at the record

Who wants to relive that evil time?

I hated that signing.

And I used to respect Sabean. But It all changed for good that day.

by Moggeee on Oct 17, 2008 1:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the stroll down memory lane

not sure where I was, but I recall thinking (and writing somewhere around here) that I thought Zito would be able to pitch well enough for a few seasons to justify his contract, but after that he’d start to stink up the place and that the money in years 4-7/8 would make it harder for the Giants to do other deals.

Unfortunately, I was too optimistic on his performance. He didn’t last a year before he started to blow chunks and he’ll never earn even a quarter of the $126M. He is the albatross.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 17, 2008 1:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of memory lane...

…on a whim I clicked on your “Alone” link…yup , he still does.
On ANOTHER whim I “Scrolled” down memory lane…

Whaddya know? According to BR , J.T. is still active.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 17, 2008 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was excited

I hate to admit it, but I loved it. I was at work and I think it was Rotoworld, where I read that Zito had contacted some AL team, (I think it was Texas or Seattle) and told them he was signing with the Giants. I was thrilled. Before you laugh at me and call me an idiot, let me explain my line of reasoning. I live in New York, and have to deal with stupid Met fans all day. I kept reading in NY papers how he was going to sign with the Mets, and I kept listening to all the Met fans I know who were telling me they would win the World Series the next year because Zito was all they needed, and I was ecstatic that we outbid a NY team for a supposedly top pitcher. I called a friend (Mordy from Monsey) and I told him that this was more than just a signing. This was my team, the San Francisco Giants, for the first time in my lifetime stepping up and declaring that they were now a big market team and would compete with everybody for the best talent. We’d be spending for free agents like the NY teams, the Red Sox, the Dodgers, etc. As for Zito himself, I expected him to do very well because of the switch in leagues for at least the first couple of years. He was a crafty lefty facing alot of hitters that didn’t know him. He was moving to a league that didn’t have the DH. Of course I knew his velocity was declining, but I didn’t know he could barely break 85mph. The Giants’ are paid to know stuff like that, not me. Ok, I’m done. Now you call me an idiot!!

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by rxmeister on Oct 17, 2008 6:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I’m done. Now you call me an idiot!!

Nah.

Even those who didn’t like the signing didn’t foresee this level of awful

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Oct 17, 2008 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude! Stop harshing my Dodgers get humbled high!

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

Let's see spread Chaos, Confusion and Anarchy here? Check. My work is complete. I’ll be moving on now.

by daveinexile on Oct 17, 2008 8:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like how the title of the post makes it sound like a national tragedy.

NEVER FORGET!

by chilibean_3 on Oct 17, 2008 9:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Where were you

went they built the ladder to heaven?

by rightcenterfielder on Oct 17, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in NYC for Christmas

I was in the Natural History Museum and my phone didn’t get very good reception. While we were in line for the coat check B texted me with “ZITO OMG” and i was like, what, what about Zito? And she texted back that they had signed him for this incredible amount of money. I told my now-husband and he went, wow. No strong opinions either way. I don’t think we were pessimistic.

When I got back to the apartment we were subletting I called my dad. He said he had just looked at the TV in time to see “… signs Zito for biggest pitching contract in history” scrolling across the bottom, but didn’t see what team it was. He said, “I wonder who picked him up.”

And I said, “We did!” He went: “What?” And I said, “WE did! The Giants!” Gleefully, I remember saying that.

And he said, incredulously, “The GIANTS? The GIANTS paid him ALL THAT MONEY????!” He was honestly shocked, thought it would be the Yankees or something. The consensus between the three of us (dad, JD, and me) was, Wow, that’s a lot of money. I hope he does good for that amount.

As you see, that did not work out. But it was a fabulous trip. Absolutely A-1 double-plus good.

Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.

by tk on Oct 17, 2008 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I talked myself into it right away

As with the Pierzynski trade, the Alfonzo signing, & the Armando signing I went against my better judgement & just focused on the positives. “Hey, he’s a good young catcher” “Hey, hitting next to Barry, Alfonzo will become the next Kent!” “He’s the best closer available”. With Zito I ignored (and am still trying to) the big contract, the decline in his fastball & the surfer-dude attitude. “We just signed the best pitcher on the market, we’ll have a shut down rotation for the next 5 seasons!” I saw the faults in my view immediately, but I ignored that. Because, unlike everything else in life, with the Giants I want to believe. I need to believe. Hope can be a dangerous thing (you can quote me on that).

Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.

by ResDog on Oct 17, 2008 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit I was wrong on the Alfonzo signing and the Armando signing. Alfonzo was a player I’d liked for a while, and I was optimistic he could bounce back from his injury issues. And Armando, well, he was probably the best closer in the majors the year before, and I was so sick of Herges and Hermanson and the like closing out games.

Being wrong isn’t nearly as fun as being right, dammit.

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by jcb9 on Oct 17, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in ectasy when we signed Alfonzo. He scared the shit out of me when he was with the Mets. I used to watch every Met game and this was the one guy you didn’t want up there against you when the game was on the line. If you remember, he killed us in the 2000 playoffs, with that 2 run HR off of FRod in game two, and that game tying hit off of Nen that sent game three into extra innings. This guy had great numbers with the Mets playing in a pitcher’s ballpark. I don’t know what the hell happened with the Giants. He just wasn’t the same after getting the big contract, although to be fair he wasn’t that bad his first two years with the team, especially the 2003 playoffs. His real problem with the Giants was that he was brought in to replace Jeff Kent, and he wasn’t Kent. When Edgardo was with the Mets, I used to argue with all Met fans which one of them were better, and I always stuck up for Kent, even though in my head I really thought Edgardo was better. It was nice of Edgardo to come to SF and prove to everyone that Jeff Kent was the better player.

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by rxmeister on Oct 17, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in Jersey.

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by xanthan on Oct 17, 2008 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I read that as “I was in Judy.”

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by jcb9 on Oct 17, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sick bastard.

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by xanthan on Oct 17, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather be in Judy than Jersey.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 17, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if Judy was in Jersey?

Whoa.

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by xanthan on Oct 17, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno if it would be a good fit. There’s a huge Jewish population there, so you’d have to think that would translate into fewer churches for her to sleep in.

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by jcb9 on Oct 17, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d actually rather be in Jersey than Judy. I couldn’t get stiff for Steffes.

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by rxmeister on Oct 17, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lived in Jersey for about ten years, actually, and…..actually, I’d rather skip both of ’em.

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by jcb9 on Oct 17, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What part? Jersey is kind of weird. It almost feels like another country.

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by xanthan on Oct 17, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Central Jersey. My dad went to grad school at Princeton, so we were there for a few years while I was in elementary school, and then we moved to a town called Highland Park. Nobody’s heard of it, but it’s right next to New Brunswick, home of Rutgers University, if you know where that is.

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by jcb9 on Oct 17, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, we head up to Wayne, NJ each year, usually around Thanksgiving or Christmas. The wife has family up in that area.

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by xanthan on Oct 17, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My aunt used to live in Wayne.

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by jponry on Oct 17, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not a bad town! That’s pretty cool though ^ _ ^

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by xanthan on Oct 17, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had nice mini golf!

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by jponry on Oct 20, 2008 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fountains of Wayne

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Oct 17, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fountains of Wayne County.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 17, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

xanthan’s wife’s mom has got it going on.

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by howtheyscored on Oct 18, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Party time, excellent!!

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by rxmeister on Oct 18, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weeoooweeooweeooweeoo!

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by WalrusMan on Oct 18, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in a haunted house

i was visiting my friend in D.C. for new years, and i was staying in his roommate’s room in a 100+ year old house. i woke up with a hangover, used her imac to check espn to see what went on in the world of sports, and figured someone finally took our offer… i had assumed we were offering huge contracts to everyone (soriano, lee, etc…) and was kinda flattered someone wanted to be on our crappy team. i knew we were overpaying but i was hoping for a steady, constant starter we could trade after a few years.

then that night i was visited by something supernatural- the whole house shook for over an hour and something was knocking on all the door and windows, and turning off and on the lights. i really, really wish i were kidding. i tried to get up to get my camera and record it, but for the sake of all that’s good i was scared out of my mind.

so, lesson to learn- if the giants sign a disastrous contract, a fucking ghost will haunt one of us in retaliation.

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Oct 17, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that was probably the ghost of Christy Mathewson, realizing that Barry Zito would make in a month more than he made in his lifetime.

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by rxmeister on Oct 17, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember where I was,

but I do remember the sense of dread that passed over me. I am not a big stats guy, but I did look at Zito’s numbers before he signed. Any fan that took 2 minutes to look at them could see that he was in decline; he was not the same pitcher he was in his CY year.

I didn’t like the signing, but I did think he could be an effective 3rd or 4th guy in the rotation. I wasn’t happy with the signing mainly because of the contract, but I also never thought it would all be as bad as it turned out to be.

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by marklar on Oct 17, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was back home in the Bay Area for Christmas Break and I was using my brother’s computer to check ESPN.com. I yelled HOLY FUCK NO!! so loud that my brother thought I had broken his laptop. He ran into the room, looked at the headline and plainly just said FUCK. I swear I must’ve hit refresh 10 times to see if it wasn’t a prank or something.

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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 17, 2008 12:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just driven my mother to market and while she was inside buying her groceries was sitting in my car listening to the radio. First impression: Too many years/too much money/contract will prohibit Giants in future transactions.

by wilriv21 on Oct 17, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was probably at the computer, finding out about it here.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 17, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So where was your computer when it found out?

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by thehavenot on Oct 18, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawaii.

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by howtheyscored on Oct 18, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn!

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by WalrusMan on Oct 18, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The key is to go to Hawaii during the season. The Giants went to the playoffs the following season when I did.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Oct 17, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Natto reply fail.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Oct 17, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I did mean to reply to the Fanpost itself rather than another reply.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Oct 17, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Oct 17, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That didn’t work, I went to Hawaii in ’07. What did I do wrong?

by timmeh on Oct 17, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you eat any musubi?

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by Natto on Oct 17, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, just spam in rice bondage

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Oct 17, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dad was career military, he loved spam. I think alot in the military do, but his daughters did not. So no on the spam but the poke was wonderful.

by timmeh on Oct 17, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was in the middle east, where i am again, hopefully for the last time. i was on a shitty morale computer, and i flipped when i read how much money it was. then i started convincing myself it might work out, like i did with every sabean move up until then. never again.

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by jasomack on Oct 18, 2008 8:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Boy..

bet that trip to the morale computer didn’t give you the expected results.

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by WalrusMan on Oct 18, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have Barry Zito??

This isn’t his shitty older brother??

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by rxmeister on Oct 18, 2008 9:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Idea

He should change his legal name to Barry " Money Bucks siete ocho". He would pitch great and have the best last name in sports!

by FutureGiantsGm24 on Oct 19, 2008 5:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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