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Hypothectically speaking, what do you think of the Giants trading Sanchez, Velez, and Schierholtz (only because Winn's contract would be too big), to the Marlins for Uggla, and Gregg?  They seem to both be available and both fill spots that are needed on the Giants roster while solving the outfield crunch. 

RF  Winn                                                               1.  Lincecum

LF  Lewis                                                              2.  Cain

3B  Sandoval                                                        3.  Zito                                          

2B  Uggla                                                              4.  Lowry

C   Molina                                                          Yabu/Correia?                                                 

CF  Rowand                                                   Hinshaw/Valdez                                         

1B  Ishikawa/?                                               Taschner/Romo                                   

SS  Burriss                                                        Gregg/Wilson

Aurilia?/Frandsen/Bowker/Roberts/Holm

That payroll is low, around $72-$75 million depending on bench/bullpen (rough estimate, may even be lower than that), which would allow them to make a run at Sabathia, even for $15-20 million/yr.  I know this is very unlikely, but would be a damn good team with a rotation like that.  One more bat at 1B/3B would be nice though too.

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didn’t we do Uggla already?? Let’s pick another player to talk about that we won’t get.

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by rxmeister on Oct 14, 2008 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agree that Uggla’s been done to death, but don’t you think he’s a viable target?

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s possible, but it doesn’t mean it’s necessary to raise the same issue every couple of days.

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by rxmeister on Oct 14, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

entirely speculative by me

Where are we getting the idea that Florida wants to get rid of their players or pick anybody else’s up? I’m not being critical, I would just like to know what signs the Marlins have given for people start dreaming up trades?

by chilibean_3 on Oct 14, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't find it right now

but there was a piece in a major Florida newspaper (Sun-Senitinel) that made it sounds like there isn’t much question that the Fish will unload a bevy of players this offseason. Anyone?

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's one

but I don’t think this was the one I saw before: palm beach post

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and this has some direct quotes from Beinfest

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.
Yep, they should keep going with that speed and defense idea. I see big things down that road.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 14, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Marlins have something like 17 arbitration eligible players this offseason, and that’s what’s leading everyone to believe they need to ship off some of their players.

by deuce deuce on Oct 14, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get that hive/group/groudthink thing going

and mentally convince Florida they just won the World Series , and a fire sale is in the bank.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 15, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t make sense to trade players to reduce payroll and acquire Randy Winn.

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by oldjacket on Oct 14, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

unless the Giants’ are willing to eat a good portion of the contract to aquire Uggla (or whomever). Perhaps they wouldn’t have to give up another player that way.

by tyrannoman on Oct 15, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uggla and Gregg would address a couple weaknesses the Giants need to address. At this time penciling in Lowry might not be wise. Let Lowry get healthy and then SF could have some needed depth.

by wilriv21 on Oct 14, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This

Is by far the least-retarded trade fanpost in a while.

Makes sense for the marlins because Sanchez, Velez, and Shierholtz are all under control for a while and are not too close to big-money arb.

Sorta makes sense for us because 1.) We get Uggla’s bat, and 2.) Gregg helps our Bullpen

But the biggest problem IMO is that we end up with a big fat hole in our rotation. I understand that you’ve got to give to get, but because we don’t have any MiL options to step into that rotation hole we would now be forced to fill two spots with FA’s.

I’m not sure how great that is going to work out.

The team you’ve listed + Burrell @ 1b would be a very different lineup from 2008 however.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Oct 14, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so...

Sanchez, Lewis and Frandsen
for
Uggla, Gregg and Olsen??

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait

then we have to pick up a 2b, since we want to move Uggla to 3rd, right?

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sub in

Ishikawa for Frandsen

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baron Von Ironglove at 2B

Epicgenio Failez

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by SoFa King Mike on Oct 14, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

do we even know if he’s at winter ball, taking 18 million ground/fly/whatever balls?

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

do we even know if he’s at winter ball, taking ricocheting 18 million ground/fly/whatever balls?

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by SoFa King Mike on Oct 14, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by daveinexile on Oct 15, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing we have Denker!

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by groug on Oct 14, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Oct 14, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We do?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The more we say it, the more true it is.

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by groug on Oct 14, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, so that’s how the world works.

Please excuse me while I go say some things repeatedly.

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by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope it’s “ass”. Heh heh… ass…

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by Natto on Oct 14, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why , is there a dearth of it in your portfolio?

And I was so sure you just drew it to you…

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 15, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You wouldn’t figure they’d take Winn because of the $, but he certainly would help them improve their defense. I guess Nate looked good in the field as well, but I’d bet that they’d try to pry Lewis instead. Schierholtz is not going to do it.. I wouldn’t feel great about giving them Freddie, but Uggla is a big-time target. And let’s face it, Eugenio is not going to help them with what they want to achieve.

As far as I can tell, they are going to want young pitching and good fielding. As much as I’d like to propose a Bocock package, I think that they’d be more interested in a guy like Travis Ishikawa, who would shore things up defensively (A kid named Gaby Sanchez does seem to be nearly ready for them at first, though.

What I can’t decide (and what I’d love to hear from other on) is whether it’d be preferable to send Sanchez or Alderson as the primary in the deal. I’ll bet that most folks would part more easily with Sanchez, but isn’t this just because we’re still at the fantasy stage with Alderson. In BP’s Goldstein’s estimation, he is not 1- or 2-slot material. Don’t we think that Sanchez still could be? Dont’ get me wrong, though: if we shipped off Alderson tomorrow, I’d be very, very upset.

BTW, I really like a Gregg acquisition, and have been throwing him into my prospective deals as often as possible. He does have a tendency to walk some guys, though, so maybe the Giants will steer clear in an effort to right that ship.

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Depending on how long they think tell the next wave of help will hit the MLB a sandwich pick from Winn in the 2010 draft could be very interesting to them. ( Yes I presuming Winn is Type B next winter though it is possible his production remains in type A.) Or they just reship him in June /July for a more advanced prospect. In the mean time he sores up their "D" and just does all the steady Eddy things he does.

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by daveinexile on Oct 15, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lowry will never throw another pitch in the bigs
i like lowry, but his rehab scenario reminds me of what Nen went thru.

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by The Gene Hackman on Oct 14, 2008 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It seriously sounds like severe nerve damage.

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by SoFa King Mike on Oct 14, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This maybe would provide less immediate help but…

I think that a Winn, Molina and a mid level prospect for Willy Aybar and Reid Brignac. This may seem like a lot to give up but these are the types of deals the Giants need to do in my opinion.

The Rays would get an upgrade at two major positions and not have to give up any of their current starting talent. The Giants get two potential pieces of their future IF and make room for Shierholtz and Sandoval.

The Giants probably don’t improve in 2009 but likely improve the team in the future. Their line up would look like this:

C- Sandoval
1b- Ishikawa
2b- Burriss
3b- Aybar
ss- Brignac
lf- Lewis
cf- Rowand
rf- Shierholtz

I don’t know if that team wins 72 games but it sure is younger and more exciting to think about. Perhaps this coupled with a Sanchez + ? for Uggla and the signing of C.C. could make the team competitive.

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by camwoody on Oct 14, 2008 4:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What makes you think that the Rays would give up that package for Winn & Molina? It’s just more rosterbation.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Oct 14, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I don’t know. And yes it is rosterbation. Is anything above this not?
I will say though that Aybar is a sub and plays two positions that the Rays have locked up in Longoria and Pena. Brignac is in the minors and the Rays currently have Bartlett and Zobrist blocking him with this year’s 1st pick perhaps 3-4 years away from taking the reigns.

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by camwoody on Oct 14, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no way the Rays agree to that.

by rotorueter on Oct 14, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is that?

That trade makes them better in the short term and they are not really giving up anything in the long run. Also, it is not like Molina would be on the books for more than a year.

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by camwoody on Oct 14, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They probably like Navarro enough that they wouldn't want Molina

Navarro was an All-Star this year (Love ya, Agent Ned!)

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by groug on Oct 14, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Molina is probably not worth it for them.

I agree. I didn’t realize how close Navarro’s year was to Molina’s.

I still think that these are the players that the Giants should go after though.

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by camwoody on Oct 14, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would they want Bengie?

Dioner Navarro is a good hitter and is significantly cheaper. Also, their outfield has Upton, Baldelli, and Crawford in it already, which is a pretty cheap but still productive outfield. I don’t think they would want to take on Winn’s salary.

by boonitez on Oct 14, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are probably letting Baldelli go and Winn is a big upgrade over Gross.

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by camwoody on Oct 14, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is true

But Winn definitely isn’t worth the 8 million added to their payroll plus Willy Aybar OR Reid Brignac let alone both of them.

by boonitez on Oct 14, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Schierholtz?

Their outfield already has Hermida, Willingham, and Ross. They’re pretty stacked already. But anyways, yes please, but it won’t happen.

by boonitez on Oct 14, 2008 4:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt they’d want Schierholtz, but apparently they will try to rid themselves of Willingham (part of the defensive problem), and perhaps cash in on Hermida as well.

by BigO on Oct 14, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who else is a potential match for the fins regarding Uggla?

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by haverecords on Oct 15, 2008 1:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is there any team that couldn’t stand to get a little Uggla?

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by oldjacket on Oct 15, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There has been rumors that if the Angels do not re-sign Teixeira they would be very interested in Uggla

by wilriv21 on Oct 15, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

Buster Olney reported yesterday (for what it’s worth) that Marlins’ ownership has given a blank check to the GM to retain every one of the players that are arb eligible if he so desires. They think they have the talent to win the NL East next year, and they probably do.

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by rxmeister on Oct 15, 2008 8:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’ve been thinking that now is the perfect time for them to make a run for it. Championship then fire sale. It’s the Marlin’s Way.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 15, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But were they given THE Blank Check?

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by Natto on Oct 15, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mr….Macintosh?

by chilibean_3 on Oct 15, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

old memories

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 15, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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