Kevin Correia and Black Friday
The second part of our investigation into Outrightasia! will focus on…lessee…uh, don’t mind that he’s gone…don’t mind about that guy…hope that guy does well, but somewhere else…ah! Kevin Correia! I’m almost less than ambivalent about him. That’s good for about 1,500 words on the topic.
Correia was the first player from the 2002 draft to reach the majors – the Conor Gillaspie of his era! He came up and started seven games for a team that would eventually win 100 games before blowing past the Marlins and winning a championship. Correia pitched pretty well for a 22-year-old who was about a year removed from Cal-Poly. He looked as if he’d be a mid-rotation starter for years to come.
After a dismal 2004, Correia seemed to find a niche as a short-reliever. The Giants were happy with his ability to throw multiple innings as well as high-leverage innings, and the rest of the league loved Correia’s selfless decision to be the Johnny Appleseed of walk-off home runs, sprinkling cheer and victory throughout our fair land. Everyone was happy. Kind of.
Seemingly out of nowhere, the Giants decided at the end of last season to try Correia as a starter again. Even though the Giants were trying to work Tim Lincecum and Jnathan Sanchez into the rotation, they thought that Correia would be more valuable as a starter than a reliever. Giants fans everywhere were unified in their reaction to the move: Uh, okay. I guess. And heck, it actually worked. Over eight starts, Correia had a 2.54 ERA and a K/BB ratio of almost 3:1.
So that’s why it might be a little hard to accept that the Giants could just outright Correia off the 40-man roster. A lot of folks had high hopes for him this season. But his 2008 was awful. His strikeout rate plummeted, and he was of the most hittable pitchers in the league. He made close to a million dollars, and he was probably due a raise in arbitration, so this was primarily a financial decision.
But it’s worth making a case for Correia based on the following:
- It’s not as if he was going to get $5M in arbitration. He wasn’t going to break the bank.
- Anyone comparable to Correia will cost as much as Correia.
- We’re used to him.
- The Giants don’t really have a lot of in-house fifth starters. An unbroken Noah Lowry? Steve Hammond, Pat Misch, or Joe Martinez? A rushed Tim Alderson or Madison Bumgarner? It doesn’t make sense to count on any of those options. Explore, maybe. Count on, no.
Though I’m not broken up by the outrighting of Correia, it is a little weird considering the shallow pool of upper-level starters. I doubt that the Giants are counting on Noah Lowry. I also doubt that the Giants are going to make a huge investment in another free-agent starting pitcher, especially with the top four starters under contract through at least 2010, and Bumgarner and crew a couple of years away. Which means that after Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Zito, the Giants are planning to find their fifth starter…
You see, the Giants are obviously going to…
What in the heck are the Giants planning?
I’m not sure they really know at this point, either. And if there’s an injury? Look out. Matt Palmer* time. So I’m hoping the Giants are able to re-sign Correia. Cut him some slack because of his freak oblique tweak, and put him in the back of the bullpen, says I. If the team needs an emergency starter, the team could do worse. The devil you do know instead of the devil you don’t, and all that. And maybe – just maybe – Correia finds the stuff that made him such a promising rotation option twelve months ago.
Also, this column was a piece of satire that obviously flew over your heads. Suckers.
*Note: Actual Matt Palmer may vary.
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trust
the FO.
their plan is always flawless.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on
Oct 14, 2008 11:55 AM PDT
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I Guess I Just Have More Faith
In Brian Sabean than you do.
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Oct 14, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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GRM Parody Post!
+1 for the random capitalization.
-1 for not separating the wheat from the shaft.
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by xanthan on
Oct 14, 2008 12:07 PM PDT
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I Like Having A Wheaty Shaft
High in fiber.
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Oct 14, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
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You animal
Notorious for your roughage.
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Oct 14, 2008 12:32 PM PDT
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I'm Here To Discuss Baseball
Too bad everybody else is concerned with putting sarcasm in their posts!!
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The Lunatic Fringe
Putting the “dis” in “discuss”
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
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Oct 14, 2008 2:08 PM PDT
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Back off , Steve Art - man...
…or we’ll put the cuss in it as well.
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
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Hey I have plenty of faith in Sabean!
Bad faith that is. All hard earned on his behalf. I am also guilty of not giving him as much bad faith as his record would merit.
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I voted to dump him
But had second thoughts immediately afterward. I’d have him back on a minor league contract. Although I doubt Kevin would do it.
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Oct 14, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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Not broken up about losing Correia but he’s sure to draw some interest on the market as a middle reliever. I’m not sure why he would return to the Giants unless they offered him multi-years which I doubt they are going to do, since they just outrighted him.
What I can’t figure out is why Taschner wasn’t included among Hennessey, Walker, and Correia. Will the Giants non-tender him by December or will they go to arbitration with him? He’s not better against lefties and he’s got a career ERA of 5.01 in 140+ innings. He’s starting to remind me of Jason Christiansen aka crappy lefty that the Giants seem to hang on to for whatever reason.
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If you and Judy ever spawn children, tie their right hand and teach them to throw lefthanded.
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I will create the next Chad Zerbe! Write that down!
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by xanthan on
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Start small.
Anthony Zerbe.
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Small and adorable
A little lovebug named Herbie.
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Hated Zerbe since I saw him have hot sex scenes with this woman in a movie
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Oct 14, 2008 2:41 PM PDT
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that’s Lola Falana and the movie was The Liberation of LB Jones. Man, my 15 year old hormones was raging and I was more jealous than the dude that played her husband!!
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Oct 14, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
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What a fox. RIP
And:
Rally Lola Falana’s boob flopping out on Carson!
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Taschner = lefty...
lefties = good against lefties…
Taschner = good against lefties! Got it.
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I wonder if Jnathan Sanchez has ever met Jhonny Peralta.
by rotorueter on
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I've always liked the guy
He never really got a full shot at the rotation, mostly just emergency spots and end-of-year-why-the-heck-not starts. He was useful as an arm in the pen, and I think a pretty good 5th starter when he’s at his best. I wouldn’t sign him for more than $3 million per year, but I’d make an effort, considering there’s probably not much else out there in the realm of 5th starter.
Plus we’re going to need him when we trade Cain for Fielder.
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Oct 14, 2008 12:15 PM PDT
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Why, whith you last line, did you have to start that crap again?
/ dives for cover
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by daveinexile on
Oct 14, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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Kevin Correias really don’t grow on trees. Let’s bring him back, especially if he can return to being a good reliever.
by rotorueter on
Oct 14, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
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Yeah
Correias are actually tubers.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on
Oct 14, 2008 12:26 PM PDT
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I think Correia kind of turned them off with his performance as a reliever after they removed him from the rotation in September. It pretty much seemed like he wasn’t even trying out there. Even Baggarly, who usually doesn’t say too many bad things accused him of going through the motions.
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Oct 14, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
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i voted for the capn crunch donut
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Oct 14, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
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Crunch?
Is Palmer pitching right now?
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The Giants will likely do with Correia what they did with Feliz in 2007...
I believe the Giants will try to sign him to a 1 year contract, then see if he can pitch himself into the rotation for 2009 (although, with MadBum and Tim 2, moving through the minors quickly, this may not be so easy). An oblique injury is a very difficult injury to pitch through – this may have been the reason why the promising Correia of 2007 became the disapointing Correia of 2008.
Like Feliz, this strategy will work only if Correia does not recieve a multi-year contract offer from another team (as was the cas with Feliz in 2007).
I wish him luck. When he was on, in 2007, Kevin pitched well.
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Oct 14, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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I agree with this…I mean, +1
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Oct 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
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-1
Learn the lingo old man!
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why would Correia even consider signing with the Giants’ again?? Would you if you were him?? They removed him from the rotation in September, and then they assign him to Fresno so he loses out on the right to go to arbitration. Now he has to start over. I would be shocked if a couple of other teams aren’t interested in him, and if I were him, I would tell the Giants’ to go screw themselves.
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Oct 14, 2008 2:50 PM PDT
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I can think of two reasons:
1. He’s comfortable with the team and coaches and loves the beautiful Bay Area
- or -
2. They offer him more moulah than other teams do
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by Goofus on
Oct 14, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
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they didn’t want to pay him the arbitration rate, so why would you think they would suddenly outbid other teams for him??
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by rxmeister on
Oct 14, 2008 3:47 PM PDT
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I don’t think anyone wanted to pay him arb-type money after his disappointing 2007. That said, I think the Giants will offer him a modest raise and it that might be all it takes.
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by Goofus on
Oct 14, 2008 8:33 PM PDT
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I mean disappointing 2008
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by Goofus on
Oct 14, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
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Easy big fella..
I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I was calling Goofus old!
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I'd rather give Joe Martinez his shot in
Spring Training for the 5 spot than let Correia have another bite of the apple. Nothing against Correia personally, but they have to clear some spots for the future, and if they wanted to allocate a 5th starter spot to anyone on a trial next year, assuming that Lowry doesn’t make it all the way back, Hennessey pitched well enough at the end of the season for such consideration, not Correia.
With both of them now gone for money reasons (I presume), then Martinez is next in line as far as I am concerned. And it tracks with what Neukom has said.
This will all change if they move Sanchez in a package, which I think is more remote now than before the Hennessey/Correia moves, (because I wouldn’t think they wouldn’t seriously think about Misch or Palmer based on what they’ve seen so far.) If they make such a move and open up two starter slots instead of one, then all bets are off as to what they are thinking.
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Oct 14, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
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AGREE
We’ve been through this before, BUT… this guy (Joe Martinez) had a heck of a season at Norwich (AA). Granted it IS Norwich, but his numbers were better than nice, suggesting that even with a slight correction for a “normal” yard he’d still be on a nice path to the majors. I’d really like to see him get a shot at a rotation spot in spring training. Martinez is our best starting prospect in the high minors. Period. We have a 1 to 2 year window before the kids are ready. Let’s give him a shot. Another thought is that if Sanchez is traded we’re still looking for a starter even WITH Lowry.
by lucecooler on
Oct 14, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
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LOOK:
We have to keep him at least until someone gets my Bermanism:
Kevin “Have had a working weapon since” Corriea
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
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Oct 14, 2008 12:46 PM PDT
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Haev to say..
I don’t get it.
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corriea = korea
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I still don’t get it. At least it doesn’t make sense. Or else I don’t see why it makes sense.
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actually, It should be
’haven’t’ not ‘have’ – it’s a quote from a movie.
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by zenbitz on
Oct 15, 2008 8:54 AM PDT
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I refuse to enter unilateral talks with this comment.
It’s regional mulitlateral talks or nothing, Correia.
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Oct 14, 2008 6:51 PM PDT
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I before e except after c, or when it sounds like an “a,” as in “neighbor” or “Correia.” Except when the word is weird.
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Oct 14, 2008 7:59 PM PDT
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Hardly knew, uh, never mind.
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I'll do it!
But I hardly new her!
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I couldn’t possibly, she’s my best friend!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
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I like Kevin Correia..
I don’t think he’s starter material, but I like him as a reliever. If he’d come back for a $1 million a year deal, I’d even go 2 or 3 seasons of it. But if he wants or gets more, then it’s goodbye Kevin.
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I suspect that
this is what they’d like to do for him, if he’d agree. He’ll probably go elsewhere, because the market for cheap 4/5 starters may be slim this year and he could perhaps get more $$ elsewhere. The sad part is that they’ll be spending more cash to bring in 1-2 new veteran relievers than what it would cost to hold onto Correia, but this was probably baked in the cake.
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Last year the Giants cut Tyler Walker and then immediately resigned him for $250k less. Possibly something similar?
Brad Hennessey: the next Kevin Correia
Kevin Correia: the next Brad Hennessey
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Tyler Walker was a hometown kid who wanted to stay in SF. Kevin Correia’s from San Diego, and he was not happy about being removed from the rotation. I’d be shocked if he’s here next year.
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by rxmeister on
Oct 14, 2008 5:52 PM PDT
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I liked Correia when he was our top setup reliever in ’06. I want to give him another chance in the ’pen.
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My Bermanism...
Kevin “Got no love, no love you’d” Correia
Is that getable?
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Oct 14, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
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didn't get it.
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I’m with Mr. Steffes.
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From Van Halen’s Runnin’ With The Devil :
“Got no love, no love you’d call real”
The way David Lee Roth sang the words “call real”, it sounded more like “Correia”
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by Goofus on
Oct 14, 2008 2:10 PM PDT
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What about
That Godzilla song….
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
Oct 14, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
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they say he's got to go
Go, Go Correia!
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Oohhhhh ok.
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Got it
Totally makes sense when you know the source.
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Oct 14, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
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How about Kevin “Correia opportunities the ones that never knock?” I’m going with Joe Strummer over David Lee Roth.
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Good call
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Oct 14, 2008 4:26 PM PDT
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“Every Job they offer you’s to keep you off the clock” – arbitration clock, that is.
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I like rooting for players from Cal Poly.. hopefully we resign him.
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Oct 14, 2008 2:41 PM PDT
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I’m waiting to see what Sabean has behind Door #3.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
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yeah, I agree with you guys. Not Sabathia, but the Giants are going to sign a free agent starter. They’ll probably do it late as they wait for someone to slide, like Kyle Lohse did last year.
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a baby’s arm holding an apple!
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
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Oct 14, 2008 3:36 PM PDT
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SHOWCASE!!!
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Oct 14, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
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that’s a pretty obscure Jimmy Buffet ref, no?
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
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Oct 14, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
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I thought it was the Tubes…. oh well, back to work.
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Sanchez = fifth starter
Or Zito, whoever you consider more inconsistent. Sabean is just clearing a spot for CC.
Dial up catering, we’re going to need more food.
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I also doubt that the Giants are going to make a huge investment in another free-agent starting pitcher
You naive little man, you.
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Oct 14, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
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This
I think the chances of us dropping 4-5m on a FA pitcher are 75%
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
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Oct 14, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
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4-5m for a free agent starting pitcher? That’s gonna be one crappy pitcher.
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Oct 14, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
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Jaime Moyer?
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Moyer will cost more than that
He can probably get 1 year, 10 million dollars fairly easily in this market. 2 years, 16 million might be what he’s looking for.
Pass for the Giants
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Oct 14, 2008 4:08 PM PDT
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Yes, this is my point.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
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There are about ten starters I’d sign for $5M.
Unfortunately, they’d want $10M.
by Grant on
Oct 14, 2008 4:31 PM PDT
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No sense, just like Denker
Correia is nothing special, but still has some value, especially to us, and was worth keeping around
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While everyone else is tossing $20 million
per year at CC this offseason, what do you guys think about Ben Sheets?
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We’re already overpaying one pitcher to be bad. Why not overpay another to be injured?
(For around 10 million a year, sure, the risk is worth it because he’s that good when he’s healthy. Otherwise, stay away. And someone will give him a more-than-AJ-Burnett contract, so I’m saying stay away.)
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This had occured to me.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
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This bad occurred to me.
(Sabean’s lament.)
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Depending on the price and years, I’d be interested in Randy Wolf.
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