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Deric McKamey is the author of Minor League Baseball Analyst:
The book can be purchased through Baseball HQ at http://www.baseballhq.com, where the purchaser will also receive a free update to the lists in the book. People may also purchase the book through any of the major on-line bookstores. The Minor League Baseball Analyst is expected to arrive mid-January.
- Angel Villalona
- Henry Sosa
- Madison Bumgarner
- Nick Noonan
- Tim Alderson
- Nate Schierholtz
- Eugenio Velez
- Emmanuel Burriss
- Clayton Tanner
- Billy Sadler
- Eddy Martinez-Esteve
- Marcus Sanders
- Osiris Matos
- John Bowker
- Nick Pereira
McCovey Chronicles: Was the preference of Bumgarner over Alderson a question of ceiling, or something else?
Deric McKamey: Mostly ceiling. I really like Bumgarner's clean delivery, which gives him easy velocity and excellent pitch movement. He has two versions of his curveball that are both used effectively, and is advanced for his age. Alderson may have been one of the more polished (high school) pitchers in the 2007 Draft. His command is impeccable and knows how to attack hitters. Despite his gaudy strikeout numbers in the Arizona League, I don't think he's going to be a big strikeout pitcher. His arm action isn't very fluid and wonder if that will affect his stamina long-term.
Nate Schierholtz is ranked sixth on your list. Is this because he's a fairly average prospect, or was the Giants' 2007 draft that strong?
A little of both. I don't see a big upside with Schierholtz. If he is any more than your third best outfielder, than your team probably isn't going to score many runs. His power is outstanding and somehow has managed to keep his batting average high despite his marginal plate discipline and a long swing. He's always going to strike-out, but I think you can live with it if he hits for power and produces runs. Defensively, he'll be average at best in RF and still needs work in taking proper routes, but has a very powerful arm.
The Giants did well in the 2007 Draft, as three of the top five prospects were 2007 draftees. It was nice to see San Francisco go after real talent and I think these guys will pay dividends down the road.
Bumgarner was a 2007 draftee who didn't play for the Giants' rookie-league team, yet he made your top-15. Was Wendell Fairley, a player with similar circumstances, considered for the list?
Yes he was, and narrowly missed the list. Fairley is an incredible athlete with plus speed. From the scouting video I saw, his bat speed is very good and should be able to hit for power, but no one seemed real confident on how his bat will play-up. The reports I got on his plate discipline were also very good. He ranges well in CF and possesses an average throwing arm. He wasn't a high-profile player in high school and didn't have the amateur experience that Bumgarner had.
During the recent Baseball America chat on their top-10 Giants list, Andrew Baggerly hinted that it might be time for Marcus Sanders to get his real estate license (my words, not his). Sanders was one of my favorite prospects a couple of years ago, so I'm curious as to his inclusion in your top-15. What puts him there?
Sanders has three tools that will play at the Major League level (plus speed, ability to hit for average, and defense), and at worst, will be a solid utility infielder. The shoulder surgery took what little arm strength he had and will play exclusively at 2B, where he can be an above average fielder with his range and soft hands. He never was a power hitter, but makes excellent contact and will draw walks. I'd give him another year before writing him off.
Almost identical question to #4, but with Eddy Martinez-Esteve. What puts him on the list, and what puts him above Bowker?
Martinez-Esteve's season was about as disappointing as you could possibly get. He didn't hit for power, struggled to make contact, and battled a shoulder injury, but on the flip side, we haven't seen him 100% healthy since 2005. He was one of the better, pure hitters in the minors at that point and I just don't see how you can ignore that. Yes, the poor defense is a huge concern, but like Sanders, I'd like to give Martinez-Esteve a chance to prove himself before throwing in the towel.
Bowker had a real solid season at Connecticut, but his adjusted MLE OPS was just .745. His hands and bat speed are real quick and gets good extension, so I think he has a chance to hit for average. His power is limited to the pull field and his plate discipline is lacking. For me, his upside is a notch below Martinez-Esteve, and grades-out to a reserve outfielder.
What separates Clayton Tanner from Ben Snyder? Is it age, stuff, or a combination of both?
Combination of age and stuff. Tanner is two and a half years younger, pitching at the same level. There is also a large variance in their stuff. Neither throws very hard, but Tanner possesses a plus pitch (slider) that should make him better equipped to succeed at the upper levels and his velocity projects. Snyder relies more on mixing pitches and keeping hitters off-balance. Both will struggle to miss bats, but have the command and intelligence to compensate.
The Giants have a bunch of pitchers with a history of minor league success - like Adam Cowart, Kevin Pucetas, and Sergio Romo, to name three - with fringe stuff. Are there any that you think will have success in the majors or high minors?
When compiling names for my book, I couldn't believe all of the statistically strong pitchers that the Giants had in the lower levels that had less than stellar stuff. I think Romo has the best chance to succeed in the upper levels (I gave him an 8D) (ed. note: in McKamey's rating system, the "8D" means his upside potential is as a "solid regular" with a 30% chance of reaching that potential.) He has exceptional arm action that provides excellent movement to his sinker and curveball. His frame is stronger than the other pitchers mentioned, which may allow him to hold and increase his velocity. In addition, he has already been moved to the bullpen, whereas the others are trying to make it as starters. Romo led all minor league relievers in K/9, and though he was old for his level, I think he can carve-out a role as a setup reliever.
How does the Giants' system rank in comparison to other MLB organizations?
I ranked the Giants in the bottom third of all MLB organizations, but that was mainly due to the lack of top-end talent. As we discussed earlier, the top portion of their prospect list is full of 2007 Draftees, so their ranking could be very volatile. Within the NL West, I have them ranked fourth, ahead of the Diamondbacks.
Is Villalona a first baseman, or does he still have a chance to stick at third? How much does that affect his potential value to the franchise?
Despite his large, muscular frame, he does have some agility and has a chance to play 3B. His arm strength is excellent and has soft hands. His bat may be very special and will make-up the majority of his value, so his potential value doesn't really take a massive hit if he has to move across the diamond to 1B.
Billy Sadler was in the mix for a big league job out of camp, but really struggled with his control throughout his minor league season. What prompted his ranking on your list?
I've seen Sadler pitch live three times, and in all three outings, he has been sensational. I'm aware of the command problems, which is secondary to not repeating his low ¾ slot. His fastball moves very well, has a dynamic curveball, and is deceptive, which allows him to miss bats like few others can. I don't know if he has all the ingredients to close, but if the Giants can't use him in short relief, I know a lot of other clubs who could.
How do you reconcile "ceiling" with "likelihood of having a major league career"? For example, how do you compare a guy like Kevin Frandsen, who has a decent chance of a Mike Lansing-type career, and a toolsy player in low-A with no statistical success but a ton of projectability?
Comparing players that are so divergent in talent is really a two-step process. First, I analyze all pertinent information (statistics, scouting reports, first-person observance) and try to establish where I think this player is going to end-up from a position and role standpoint. Finally, when making the comparisons and a final ranking, I ask myself, "If I'm a GM or scouting director, which player do I want?" The grading system I use isn't tilted one-way towards performance or tools, so there isn't a trend where one type of player is always ranked ahead of another.
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PLAYER POTENTIAL RATING
Scale of (1-10) representing a player's upside potential
10 - Hall of Fame-type player
9 - Elite player
8 - Solid regular
7 - Average regular
6 - Platoon player
5 - Major League reserve player
4 - Top minor league player
3 - Average minor league player
2 - Minor league reserve player
1 - Minor league roster filler
PROBABILITY RATING
Scale of (A-E) representing the player's realistic chances of achieving
their potential
A - 90% probability of reaching potential
B - 70% probability of reaching potential
C - 50% probability of reaching potential
D - 30% probability of reaching potential
E - 10% probability of reaching potential
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I like that system. Frandsen would probably be a 6B, maybe a 7D. One could have fun with this. Lincecum and Cain are probably the only players the Giants have over an 8. :(
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jan 4, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jan 4, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
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Molina is absolutely a solid catcher. If he wasn't so damn slow, he'd be elite (I.e., he'd have a much better OBP).
I am the defender of catchers... including Pedro Feliz!
by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 4, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
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Of, if the Giant's pitcher could actually effing hold a runner on, then Molina's pop time would be plenty sufficient.
Again, baseball is baseball, not hitting.
by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
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This subject has come up a few times before and others have sighted the studies.
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Just a bunch of non-pros playing ball. It'll help you put your stats in perspective.
by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Jan 5, 2008 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
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great at calling a game, only problem was his ERA against while catching was always higher than than
the backup catcher, whenever i checked...
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I believe a catcher DOES (or at least can) make a difference in his pitcher's performances. But neither I nor anyone else that I know of has ever been able to prove such a fact.
We can't disprove that a catcher makes a difference -- but we can't prove it, either. I believe it exists. But with all we can do with baseball stats, I'm surprised that it exists without our being able to prove it.
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When Tim two-hit the Cubbies for eight innings, Bengie failed to notice that Tim was beginning to leave his fastball -- which had been GREAT to that point -- up in the zone.
Although Tim struck out Daryl Ward on back-to-back change ups to end the eighth inning, Bengie called for five straight fastballs to begin the ninth inning. Tim left four of the five up, and three of the four became base hits.
I don't think a catcher who truly is good at pitch calling is very likely to make such an obvious mistake. Maybe it was Dave Righetti who should have caught the trend. Maybe Tim himself could have, although he had only about a half season of experience at the time.
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Jesus, the guy hits 19 friggen HR's, calls a hell of a game, and all you friggen stat geeks can do is complain about him. Preposterous.
Note: I do like "stat geeks", just not when they fail to take things into consideration not generated by an algorithm.
by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
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The 'game calling' should be the responsibility of the coaching staff and managers. The catcher is their proxy on the field. it's lazy managing and coaching to bring in a veteran and expect him to execute a game plan on his own. Get a catcher who can catch and throw well and teach him the rest. Molina is only as good as what he learned playing for Socoscia (sp?). And his physical shortcomings are a hinderance to the team.
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by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
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But Molina is not a good defensive catcher. Average, I'll buy. And his game calling drives me up the wall, especially with the late-inning relievers. He gets stubborn with pitches that aren't working at the expense of pitches that are working. Hennessey could get seven swingthroughs/weak contact balls in play on his sinker, and Molina will start the next hitter with three hanging sliders.
He's also the least of the Giants' worries. It isn't his fault that he's batting cleanup. As a catcher who bats 7th or 8th, he's an asset to just about any team.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 5, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
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But Bengie's Gold Glove days are gone, and in fact he is a bit of a liabiliy behind the plate. He had eight errors and 16 passed balls, which is just horrible.
Since his back-to-back Gold Glove seasons (2002 and 2003?), Bengie's glovework has declined markedly and pretty much year-by-year.
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by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
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But it chafes....
by howtheyscored on Jan 5, 2008 1:16 AM PST up reply actions
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I guess you can liken this to NBA coaching. As much as I would rather have Don Nelson than Doc Rivers, game-calling can only do so much for the overall line. It's the execution of the players. Doc Rivers was viewed as a terrible coach, but with KG and Ray, who cares? So even if Benji and Matheny were great game callers, in the end, the bottom line depends on the execution.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jan 4, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
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But realistically, a year ago the 9B rating for Tim wasn't bad.
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Remind you 3b of anyone Pedro we're all familiar with?
by victor frankenstein on Jan 4, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
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Struggling for glib pop culture reference.
Dang. I got nothin'.
Surprised but pleased to see Sanders still worth discussing.
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by Grant Brisbee on Jan 4, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
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D: =Feliz
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#P =Sabean
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 4, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
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Thanks!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jan 4, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions
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We were to meet at 10:00am at a sidewalk cafe I suggested in North Beach. "This will work nicely", I thought to myself smugly, proud to have chosen a smooth blend of ambiance and familiarity. Though I was there at the appointed hour, it was clearly not an easy appointment to keep for McKamey, who arrived 40 minutes late. I easily forgave the transgression, realizing that he's man far more important than I.
As he meandered down the sidewalk, I recognized him first and was struck by his awkward gate and slumping posture. As I rose to introduce myself, his face lit up and we shook hands. His grip was firm, like that of man who'd gripped many a radar gun in his time. As he sat down and removed his sunglasses, I couldn't help but think of all the prospects, both successful and failed, those sensitive eyes had gazed upon.
The moment will forever be frozen in time; I was about to interview Deric McKamey . I squirmed wondering whether starting off with a question about Alderson would be appropriate...after all, we'd just met...but he gave me a reassuring look that lifted my self-confidnce to new heights. He lit up a Lucky Strike and offered the pack to me. Would he notice the quiver in my hand as I reached out to accept the offer? Thankfully, out waitress arrived and asked if we were ready to order. He ordered coffee, black...and I did the same.
There was never going to better moment, so I threw caution to the wind and it all began, "Was the preference of Bumgarner over Alderson a question of ceiling, or something else?"
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 7, 2008 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
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Thanks
You know, we're pretty blessed as fans nowadays. I really like the new wave of writers who combine the best of both statistical and scouting analysis -- Keith Law, Kevin Goldstein, Deric McKamey, etc.
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Boy, and to think that one of the guys in
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But I hit post and ruined all that. Oh well
by BruteSentiment on Jan 4, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
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But I will say it's not Sanders. Actually, two guys on this list are in my #40-#50 range...and neither is Sanders.
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SFDugout's list
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 4, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
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And I'm skeptical of any list that has Henry Sosa #2. People need to stop listening to Baseball America and make up their own minds about stuff like this.
by BradIsMyBrother on Jan 5, 2008 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Henry Sosa
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 7, 2008 6:07 AM PST up reply actions
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mid 90's fastball that touches 97
high three-quarters arm slot
strikeout pitch is his hard curve
I saw him pitch at the Futures ASG last year, 11 pitch inning with 3 ground balls induced. He had a sweet slider that day. If he can continue to improve his control and his change he could be very special.
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 8, 2008 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
MadBum
He wouldn't have been drafted 10th overall if Tidrow didn't think he could learn a slider, change and what not.
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The problem with us non-professionals making up our own minds, of course, is that we have very very little data to go on. What has any of us actually ever seen of Madison Bumgarner or Tim Alderson? A few grainy seconds on youtube and a couple innings of stats from a complex league? Given that I'm not a scout to begin with, making up my mind just on that isn't likely to produce much of worth. Listening to others seems a pretty sound step to forming even the bad and poorly justified opinions I do manage to come up with.
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by BradIsMyBrother on Jan 7, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
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EME and Sanders, but pleasantly surprised that he has Sadler rated that highly...
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by prospecthound on Jan 5, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
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I love Deric McKamey's work, I first read him in Baseball Forecaster, then in his book since it first came.
I wholeheartedly recommend his book to anyone who likes to follow prospects and especially to anyone who participates in a fantasy league, whether one that redrafts every year or a keeper league or a keeper league with their own minors. His advice turned me on to guys like Ian Kinsler, Josh Barfield (when he came up), for example, before they did well, and helped my fantasy teams either win or at least make the Top 3.
I also wholeheartedly recommend Baseball Forecaster. I was in my first fantasy league when I bought Baseball Forecaster and won one league and came in third in the other (couldn't recover from drafting half the Giants...) and have bought them ever since, plus bought some back issues, you can get them cheap at baseballhq.com's buying page, if you want to get a flavor of their analysis and techniques.
Also, if you want to understand sabermetrics and had not thus far, this is a great book to help you understand. I have a very strong math and stat background but never understood all the particulars of sabermetrics until I read this book.
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as for me, I like seeing Sosa, Tanner, and Velez getting noticed.

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