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Deric McKamey is the author of Minor League Baseball Analyst:

The 2008 Minor League Baseball Analyst profiles over 1000 minor league prospects and includes detailed scouting reports, sabermetrics, Major League Equivalencies, organizational lists, Top 100 list, and Potential Ratings.

The book can be purchased through Baseball HQ at http://www.baseballhq.com, where the purchaser will also receive a free update to the lists in the book. People may also purchase the book through any of the major on-line bookstores. The Minor League Baseball Analyst is expected to arrive mid-January.

He offered to answer some questions about the Giants' minor-league system, and I based most of my questions on his top-15 list:
  1. Angel Villalona
  2. Henry Sosa
  3. Madison Bumgarner
  4. Nick Noonan
  5. Tim Alderson
  6. Nate Schierholtz
  7. Eugenio Velez
  8. Emmanuel Burriss
  9. Clayton Tanner
  10. Billy Sadler
  11. Eddy Martinez-Esteve
  12. Marcus Sanders
  13. Osiris Matos
  14. John Bowker
  15. Nick Pereira
The book has detailed summaries for all of the above players. Click the "read more" link just below to read the interview. Thanks to Deric for taking the time to answer these questions.

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McCovey Chronicles: Was the preference of Bumgarner over Alderson a question of ceiling, or something else?

Deric McKamey: Mostly ceiling. I really like Bumgarner's clean delivery, which gives him easy velocity and excellent pitch movement. He has two versions of his curveball that are both used effectively, and is advanced for his age. Alderson may have been one of the more polished (high school) pitchers in the 2007 Draft. His command is impeccable and knows how to attack hitters. Despite his gaudy strikeout numbers in the Arizona League, I don't think he's going to be a big strikeout pitcher. His arm action isn't very fluid and wonder if that will affect his stamina long-term.

Nate Schierholtz is ranked sixth on your list. Is this because he's a fairly average prospect, or was the Giants' 2007 draft that strong?

A little of both. I don't see a big upside with Schierholtz. If he is any more than your third best outfielder, than your team probably isn't going to score many runs. His power is outstanding and somehow has managed to keep his batting average high despite his marginal plate discipline and a long swing. He's always going to strike-out, but I think you can live with it if he hits for power and produces runs. Defensively, he'll be average at best in RF and still needs work in taking proper routes, but has a very powerful arm.
The Giants did well in the 2007 Draft, as three of the top five prospects were 2007 draftees.  It was nice to see San Francisco go after real talent and I think these guys will pay dividends down the road.

Bumgarner was a 2007 draftee who didn't play for the Giants' rookie-league team, yet he made your top-15. Was Wendell Fairley, a player with similar circumstances, considered for the list?

Yes he was, and narrowly missed the list.  Fairley is an incredible athlete with plus speed.  From the scouting video I saw, his bat speed is very good and should be able to hit for power, but no one seemed real confident on how his bat will play-up.  The reports I got on his plate discipline were also very good.  He ranges well in CF and possesses an average throwing arm.  He wasn't a high-profile player in high school and didn't have the amateur experience that Bumgarner had.

During the recent Baseball America chat on their top-10 Giants list, Andrew Baggerly hinted that it might be time for Marcus Sanders to get his real estate license (my words, not his). Sanders was one of my favorite prospects a couple of years ago, so I'm curious as to his inclusion in your top-15. What puts him there?

Sanders has three tools that will play at the Major League level (plus speed, ability to hit for average, and defense), and at worst, will be a solid utility infielder.  The shoulder surgery took what little arm strength he had and will play exclusively at 2B, where he can be an above average fielder with his range and soft hands.  He never was a power hitter, but makes excellent contact and will draw walks.  I'd give him another year before writing him off.

Almost identical question to #4, but with Eddy Martinez-Esteve. What puts him on the list, and what puts him above Bowker?

Martinez-Esteve's season was about as disappointing as you could possibly get.  He didn't hit for power, struggled to make contact, and battled a shoulder injury, but on the flip side, we haven't seen him 100% healthy since 2005.  He was one of the better, pure hitters in the minors at that point and I just don't see how you can ignore that.  Yes, the poor defense is a huge concern, but like Sanders, I'd like to give Martinez-Esteve a chance to prove himself before throwing in the towel.

Bowker had a real solid season at Connecticut, but his adjusted MLE OPS was just .745.  His hands and bat speed are real quick and gets good extension, so I think he has a chance to hit for average.  His power is limited to the pull field and his plate discipline is lacking.  For me, his upside is a notch below Martinez-Esteve, and grades-out to a reserve outfielder.

What separates Clayton Tanner from Ben Snyder? Is it age, stuff, or a combination of both?

Combination of age and stuff.  Tanner is two and a half years younger, pitching at the same level.  There is also a large variance in their stuff.  Neither throws very hard, but Tanner possesses a plus pitch (slider) that should make him better equipped to succeed at the upper levels and his velocity projects.  Snyder relies more on mixing pitches and keeping hitters off-balance.  Both will struggle to miss bats, but have the command and intelligence to compensate.

The Giants have a bunch of pitchers with a history of minor league success - like Adam Cowart, Kevin Pucetas, and Sergio Romo, to name three - with fringe stuff. Are there any that you think will have success in the majors or high minors?

When compiling names for my book, I couldn't believe all of the statistically strong pitchers that the Giants had in the lower levels that had less than stellar stuff.  I think Romo has the best chance to succeed in the upper levels (I gave him an 8D) (ed. note: in McKamey's rating system, the "8D" means his upside potential is as a "solid regular" with a 30% chance of reaching that potential.)  He has exceptional arm action that provides excellent movement to his sinker and curveball.  His frame is stronger than the other pitchers mentioned, which may allow him to hold and increase his velocity.  In addition, he has already been moved to the bullpen, whereas the others are trying to make it as starters.  Romo led all minor league relievers in K/9, and though he was old for his level, I think he can carve-out a role as a setup reliever.

How does the Giants' system rank in comparison to other MLB organizations?

I ranked the Giants in the bottom third of all MLB organizations, but that was mainly due to the lack of top-end talent.  As we discussed earlier, the top portion of their prospect list is full of 2007 Draftees, so their ranking could be very volatile.  Within the NL West, I have them ranked fourth, ahead of the Diamondbacks.

Is Villalona a first baseman, or does he still have a chance to stick at third? How much does that affect his potential value to the franchise?

Despite his large, muscular frame, he does have some agility and has a chance to play 3B.  His arm strength is excellent and has soft hands.  His bat may be very special and will make-up the majority of his value, so his potential value doesn't really take a massive hit if he has to move across the diamond to 1B.

Billy Sadler was in the mix for a big league job out of camp, but really struggled with his control throughout his minor league season. What prompted his ranking on your list?

I've seen Sadler pitch live three times, and in all three outings, he has been sensational. I'm aware of the command problems, which is secondary to not repeating his low ¾ slot.  His fastball moves very well, has a dynamic curveball, and is deceptive, which allows him to miss bats like few others can.  I don't know if he has all the ingredients to close, but if the Giants can't use him in short relief, I know a lot of other clubs who could.

How do you reconcile "ceiling" with "likelihood of having a major league career"? For example, how do you compare a guy like Kevin Frandsen, who has a decent chance of a Mike Lansing-type career, and a toolsy player in low-A with no statistical success but a ton of projectability?

Comparing players that are so divergent in talent is really a two-step process.  First, I analyze all pertinent information (statistics, scouting reports, first-person observance) and try to establish where I think this player is going to end-up from a position and role standpoint.  Finally, when making the comparisons and a final ranking, I ask myself, "If I'm a GM or scouting director, which player do I want?"  The grading system I use isn't tilted one-way towards performance or tools, so there isn't a trend where one type of player is always ranked ahead of another.

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Re: Q&A
McKamey's system:

PLAYER POTENTIAL RATING
Scale of (1-10) representing a player's upside potential
10 - Hall of Fame-type player
9 - Elite player
8 - Solid regular
7 - Average regular
6 - Platoon player
5 - Major League reserve player
4 - Top minor league player
3 - Average minor league player
2 - Minor league reserve player
1 - Minor league roster filler

PROBABILITY RATING
Scale of (A-E) representing the player's realistic chances of achieving
their potential
A - 90% probability of reaching potential
B - 70% probability of reaching potential
C - 50% probability of reaching potential
D - 30% probability of reaching potential
E - 10% probability of reaching potential

by Grant Brisbee on Jan 4, 2008 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

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By that rating system, I'd give Lincecum a 10D and Cain a 9B.

I like that system. Frandsen would probably be a 6B, maybe a 7D. One could have fun with this. Lincecum and Cain are probably the only players the Giants have over an 8. :(

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by hairball on Jan 4, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

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I'd give Wilson an 8C.  On the position player front, the only guys who could be called "average regulars" with any probability are Rowand, Frandsen, Schierholtz, and Winn.  Only 4 out of our 8 lineup spots have an upside of at least average, and only Rowand would I call solid at the position he's going to play.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jan 4, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

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I'm probably shorting Molina here, but it's hard to call a .298 OBP "average", even for a catcher.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jan 4, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

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Oh yeah, you're shorting Molina. There is more to baseball than hitting... especially when it comes to catchers. You need to consider the way Molina calls a game and works with his pitchers in general.

Molina is absolutely a solid catcher. If he wasn't so damn slow, he'd be elite (I.e., he'd have a much better OBP).

I am the defender of catchers... including Pedro Feliz!

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

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Molina is NOT a good defender behind the plate.

by xanthan on Jan 4, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

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+1
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 4, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

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Did you even read what I wrote? I said you have to look at the way Molina calls a game and and the mental impact he has on pitchers. I didn't say a word about his ball blocking ability. If you can't get this, then just stick to your silly stat programs and keep complaining about every player on the Giants' roster.

Of, if the Giant's pitcher could actually effing hold a runner on, then Molina's pop time would be plenty sufficient.

Again, baseball is baseball, not hitting.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

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My understanding is that statisitical analysis has not been able to prove the ability of a catcher to improve a pitcher's (or pitching staff's) performance.  Thus, the catcher's ability to "call a good game" and therefore help his pitcher is more myth than reality.

This subject has come up a few times before and others have sighted the studies.

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by Goofus on Jan 4, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

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Yup.

No need to get your panties in a twist Edmund, you might learn something.

by xanthan on Jan 4, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

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Oh, and if you're really going to use "mental impact" to try and add some sort of imaginary value to Molina, then I don't know what.

by xanthan on Jan 4, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

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You know a lot about stats, but apparently nothing about baseball.

Here sign up for one of these leagues and learn something:

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There are SF, East Bay, and Central Valley  equivalents too, but I don't know their websites of the top of my head.

Just a bunch of non-pros playing ball. It'll help you put your stats in perspective.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

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You do realize playing baseball and analyzing baseball are two separate skill sets, right?
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by marcello on Jan 5, 2008 2:54 AM PST up reply actions  

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Just look at Joe Morgan.
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by Cookyman on Jan 5, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

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Exactamundo.
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by marcello on Jan 5, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

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I'm pretty sure Goofus has played baseball before, and I'm fairly sure he has a son who plays baseball. His opinion is not for lack of perspective.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 5, 2008 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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yea Goofus, i kept hearing about how Matheny was
great at calling a game, only problem was his ERA against while catching was always higher than than
the backup catcher, whenever i checked...

by slojoe on Jan 4, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

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When Mike Matheny was signed by the Giants, I did a study of his catcher's ERA over the previous five sesaons compared to the catcher's ERA of his backups.  The two figures were almost identical.

I believe a catcher DOES (or at least can) make a difference in his pitcher's performances.  But neither I nor anyone else that I know of has ever been able to prove such a fact.

We can't disprove that a catcher makes a difference -- but we can't prove it, either.  I believe it exists.  But with all we can do with baseball stats, I'm surprised that it exists without our being able to prove it.

by sharksrog on Jan 8, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

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I have paid close attention only to the pitches Bengie calls when Tim Lincecum pitches, but IMO he didn't call for Tim's fine curve and change up enough.

When Tim two-hit the Cubbies for eight innings, Bengie failed to notice that Tim was beginning to leave his fastball -- which had been GREAT to that point -- up in the zone.

Although Tim struck out Daryl Ward on back-to-back change ups to end the eighth inning, Bengie called for five straight fastballs to begin the ninth inning.  Tim left four of the five up, and three of the four became base hits.

I don't think a catcher who truly is good at pitch calling is very likely to make such an obvious mistake.  Maybe it was Dave Righetti who should have caught the trend.  Maybe Tim himself could have, although he had only about a half season of experience at the time.

by sharksrog on Jan 8, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

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Yeah, what he said. Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but Molina led the league in passed balls last year. Add that to a below average throwing arm and the speed of an overweight turtle, and how do you arrive at an elite catcher?
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by oldrips on Jan 4, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

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Like I said, if the Giants' pitchers could hold people at first a little better, Molina's arm would be sufficient.

Jesus, the guy hits 19 friggen HR's, calls a hell of a game, and all you friggen stat geeks can do is complain about him. Preposterous.

Note: I do like "stat geeks", just not when they fail to take things into consideration not generated by an algorithm.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Calling a good game...
I don't see how Molina can be classified as a good game caller.  This club was absolutely horrific in the walks department and had a terminal case of nibblitis, most likely associated with the pitches being called.  Molina turned Lincecum's would-be first Shut-out into a 5-1 loss because of how he called the game in the 9th.  He falls in love with Tim and Matt's fastballs and then fails to call for them when it's appropriate.  The doesn't seem to grasp the concept of pitching to contact.  

The 'game calling' should be the responsibility of the coaching staff and managers.  The catcher is their proxy on the field.  it's lazy managing and coaching to bring in a veteran and expect him to execute a game plan on his own.  Get a catcher who can catch and throw well and teach him the rest.  Molina is only as good as what he learned playing for Socoscia (sp?).  And his physical shortcomings are a hinderance to the team.  

by chefasaurus on Jan 4, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Calling a good game...
Holy smokes! Managers don't call games in the big leagues!

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by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

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I'm far from a stat geek, as you could probably tell from my front page posts. I look at OBP, SLG, make a mental adjustment based on the park in which they play...little else. I'm not going to rely on defensive stats until Bill James agrees with Baseball Prospectus who agrees with David Pinto who agrees with MGL. It's the BluRay vs. HD of the analytical world, and I'm just going to sit this one out until there's a winner.

But Molina is not a good defensive catcher. Average, I'll buy. And his game calling drives me up the wall, especially with the late-inning relievers. He gets stubborn with pitches that aren't working at the expense of pitches that are working. Hennessey could get seven swingthroughs/weak contact balls in play on his sinker, and Molina will start the next hitter with three hanging sliders.

He's also the least of the Giants' worries. It isn't his fault that he's batting cleanup. As a catcher who bats 7th or 8th, he's an asset to just about any team.

by Grant Brisbee on Jan 5, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

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I thought Bengie did a decent job of throwing out runners last season.  His percentage the previous season had been the third-worst among regular major league catchers.

But Bengie's Gold Glove days are gone, and in fact he is a bit of a liabiliy behind the plate.  He had eight errors and 16 passed balls, which is just horrible.

Since his back-to-back Gold Glove seasons (2002 and 2003?), Bengie's glovework has declined markedly and pretty much year-by-year.

by sharksrog on Jan 8, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

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by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 4, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

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Either this is nonsense or my head is way below sea level on this one. I don't understand.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

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You'd better listen to him otherwise he'll post the URLs again. Wear it!
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by Natto on Jan 5, 2008 12:53 AM PST up reply actions  

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I'm wearing it! I'm wearing it! Are you happy now?

But it chafes....

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by howtheyscored on Jan 5, 2008 1:16 AM PST up reply actions  

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If this debate is about whether a cather's game calling makes a difference or not, I guess I'll go with the ol' both are partly right fence-sitting position. Theoretically, as far as I understand it, pitchers and hitters are constantly trying to outguess one another. So theoretically, if you had a catcher who was intuitively great at outguessing the hitter, or has extreme pre-game preparation and knowledge of hitters, then it should make a difference. On the other hand, the chess game is such that I don't think any one catcher is SO much better than others at outguessing hitters that this ability can be detectable by any available statistical measures. And as with all guessing games, some nights you'll win, some nights you'll be off as players are always making adjustments.  

I guess you can liken this to NBA coaching. As much as I would rather have Don Nelson than Doc Rivers, game-calling can only do so much for the overall line. It's the execution of the players. Doc Rivers was viewed as a terrible coach, but with KG and Ray, who cares? So even if Benji and Matheny were great game callers, in the end, the bottom line depends on the execution.  

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by tellusfrank on Jan 5, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

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I'd have to call Rowand, Winn, and Molina all solid. But point taken.
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by hairball on Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

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I think Villalona, Bumgarner and Alderson have ceilings above an 8.

by sharksrog on Jan 4, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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I agree with you.  I was only considering players likely to be on the 2008 big league roster.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jan 4, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

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Last year McKamey had Tim rated a 9B.  I too would give him a 10 -- and your 10D (besides being my shoe size) seems realistic to me (although I hate to say that I see his HOF chances as being closer to 50/50).

But realistically, a year ago the 9B rating for Tim wasn't bad.

by sharksrog on Jan 4, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

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"He's always going to strike-out, but I think you can live with it if he hits for power and produces runs."

Remind you 3b of anyone Pedro we're all familiar with?

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by victor frankenstein on Jan 4, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

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Grant, you're going to spoil us for 2008 with these "legitimate" posts.
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by MeSoKrabby on Jan 4, 2008 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

Struggling for glib pop culture reference.
McKarney folk... small hands...

Dang.  I got nothin'.

Surprised but pleased to see Sanders still worth discussing.

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by multiphasic on Jan 4, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

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No I won't. I'd have to do another to get to "posts", and I'm not planning on it. Post. Singular. Enjoy 2008.

by Grant Brisbee on Jan 4, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Mad Bum
Interesting comments about Bumgarner's curveball(s).  Seems like most of the other published reports have claimed he doesn't have one, let alone two.

by KCE on Jan 4, 2008 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

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I thought "8D" meant he was really excited about Romo. I need to spend less time on the internet.
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by Natto on Jan 4, 2008 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Q&A
He has a different system for the Giants:

D: =Feliz
:C =Durham
:o =Zito contract
#P =Sabean

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by hairball on Jan 4, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

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(>'-')> <('-'<) ^('-')^ v('-')v <('-'<) ^( )^ (>'-')> ^(^-^)> = Matt Cain
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by Natto on Jan 4, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

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that damned electric mouse again.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 4, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

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Very Good Questions, and a lot of information in reply. Great Post ! Only 40 days till Pitchers and Catchers report to camp.
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by nvsfg on Jan 4, 2008 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

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Grant, great interview, but the intro needs a little work. Here's a couple of minor edits for your consideration:

We were to meet at 10:00am at a sidewalk cafe I suggested in North Beach.  "This will work nicely", I thought to myself smugly, proud to have chosen a smooth blend of ambiance and familiarity. Though I was there at the appointed hour, it was clearly not an easy appointment to keep for McKamey, who arrived 40 minutes late. I easily forgave the transgression, realizing that he's man far more important than I.

As he meandered down the sidewalk, I recognized him first and was struck by his awkward gate and slumping posture.  As I rose to introduce myself, his face lit up and we shook hands.  His grip was firm, like that of man who'd gripped many a radar gun in his time.  As he sat down and removed his sunglasses, I couldn't help but think of all the prospects, both successful and failed, those sensitive eyes had gazed upon.  

The moment will forever be frozen in time; I was about to interview Deric McKamey . I squirmed  wondering whether starting off with a question about Alderson would be appropriate...after all, we'd just met...but he gave me a reassuring look that lifted my self-confidnce to new heights.  He lit up a Lucky Strike and offered the pack to me.  Would he notice the quiver in my hand as I reached out to accept the offer?  Thankfully, out waitress arrived and asked if we were ready to order.  He ordered coffee, black...and I did the same.  

There was never going to better moment, so I threw caution to the wind and it all began, "Was the preference of Bumgarner over Alderson a question of ceiling, or something else?"

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by Goofus on Jan 4, 2008 3:57 PM PST reply actions  

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Great intro proposal =P

by Haethos on Jan 4, 2008 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

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I stopped reading this after a few sentences; I'll just wait for the movie to come out.
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 7, 2008 6:05 AM PST up reply actions  

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DARN, Goofus.  That was REALLY good!  If you have time, write some more of that great jargon for us.

by sharksrog on Jan 8, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks
Great interview. I think I'm going to order the book this weekend with one of my Christmas gift cards.

You know, we're pretty blessed as fans nowadays. I really like the new wave of writers who combine the best of both statistical and scouting analysis -- Keith Law, Kevin Goldstein, Deric McKamey, etc.

by Dan from NM on Jan 4, 2008 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

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Excellent post, Grant...and I love the questions.

Boy, and to think that one of the guys in

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by BruteSentiment on Jan 4, 2008 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

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I was trying to type "And to think one of the guys in this Top 15 list is ranked #50 on the very soon-to-be released SFDugout.com list..."

But I hit post and ruined all that.  Oh well

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by BruteSentiment on Jan 4, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

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Nope, he's at #...er, hey, sneaky you, trying to get me to give it away.

But I will say it's not Sanders.  Actually, two guys on this list are in my #40-#50 range...and neither is Sanders.

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by BruteSentiment on Jan 4, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

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I'm guessing Nick Pereira is the other.
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 5, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

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OK, now I'm completely confused. For months now all I've heard is that Bumgarner has a great fastball and no secondary pitches. And in the last 2 days I've heard from 2 different sources (McKamey + Law) that Bumgarner's curve is legit. What the hell is going on?
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by Lincecain on Jan 4, 2008 7:54 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Q&amp;A
I hear that Foppert's throwing 95+ again.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 4, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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Probably because the reports they're working on are from Instructional League, where MadBum was working on the curve.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 4, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Q&amp;A
Bumgarner has a curveball, but learned it way later than most pitchers, so it will be a work in progress.

And I'm skeptical of any list that has Henry Sosa #2. People need to stop listening to Baseball America and make up their own minds about stuff like this.

by BradIsMyBrother on Jan 5, 2008 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Henry Sosa
Agreed. As I said elsewhere, I suspect Sosa is a righthanded Bumgarner - for now, they have a fastball and are working on other pitches. But the fastballs are really good. How far they go will depend on the development of the other pitches.
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 5, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Henry Sosa
Sosa has an above-average slider, curveball and average changeup.  He's only had one full season in the states and his stuff will continue to get better.

by Cainer on Jan 5, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Henry Sosa
Truly? That's the first I've heard of Sosa having reliable off-speed pitches.
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 7, 2008 6:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Henry Sosa
It's the truth.

mid 90's fastball that touches 97

high three-quarters arm slot

strikeout pitch is his hard curve

I saw him pitch at the Futures ASG last year, 11 pitch inning with 3 ground balls induced.  He had a sweet slider that day.  If he can continue to improve his control and his change he could be very special.

by Cainer on Jan 7, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Henry Sosa
Excellent!
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 8, 2008 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

MadBum
I've heard form people who played HS ball with Bumgarner that his dad wouldn't let him throw off speed pitches to protect his arm.  

He wouldn't have been drafted 10th overall if Tidrow didn't think he could learn a slider, change and what not.

by Cainer on Jan 5, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

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Are you suggesting Deric McAmey DOESN'T make up his own mind about all the opinions he pores into his books and writings? but rather just parrots what he hears from other sources? Because that seems a tad insulting to me.

The problem with us non-professionals making up our own minds, of course, is that we have very very little data to go on. What has any of us actually ever seen of Madison Bumgarner or Tim Alderson? A few grainy seconds on youtube and a couple innings of stats from a complex league? Given that I'm not a scout to begin with, making up my mind just on that isn't likely to produce much of worth. Listening to others seems a pretty sound step to forming even the bad and poorly justified opinions I do manage to come up with.

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by Roger on Jan 7, 2008 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

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Everybody uses alternative sources to some extent. Didn't mean to insult him at all, but some players in my opinion are consistently overvalued.

by BradIsMyBrother on Jan 7, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Q&A
damn, great interview, they should print that in SF chron or SJ Merc - both actually know what the hell they're talking about....disagree with McKamey on
EME and Sanders, but pleasantly surprised that he has Sadler rated that highly...

by slojoe on Jan 5, 2008 12:55 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Q&A
Not to be pendantic here, but what are McKamey's credentials and why should I listen to him? I understand the time and expertise BA or Sickels puts into to the evaluation process, but I need this guy's curriculum vitae and a statement of the resources he has dedicated to evaluating the Giants prospects before I can think of him as any more qualified to evaluate our prospects than the guy who does a minor league column at RotoWorld.

by prospecthound on Jan 5, 2008 6:31 AM PST reply actions  

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From Amazon:
Deric McKamey, BaseballHQ.com's Director of Minor League Analysis since 1996, has over 20 years experience as a baseball analyst. He is a graduate of Major League Baseball's scout school (class of 2002), giving him unique skills in prospect evaluation. He meets regularly with players, development directors and major league GM's with his hands-on approach to evaluating prospects. Deric has been a regular contributor to Street & Smith's Baseball magazine for the past five years and has been an advisor to the St. Louis Cardinals since 2004. He graduated from Ohio State.

by Grant Brisbee on Jan 5, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Q&amp;amp;A
Those aren't bad credentials. Well, except the St. Louis part, but they actually have done some good things since 05 on the farm- I wonder if he is a Jocketty or a Mozeliak.  I actually would like him to be right about Sanders and EME, I said very similar things about them both myself in my prospect list, but it would mean that Baggardly is definitively wrong. I'm also comfortable with a 'ML ready' tilted rating system leaving the Giants in the bottom 3rd of systems, I expect a similar lean from Sickels, but I would expect BA which takes a more 'raw talent' tack to rate the team higher. But it is begining to seem that nobody views the Giants farm system the same way.  

by prospecthound on Jan 5, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

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Great interview Grant, thanks!

I love Deric McKamey's work, I first read him in Baseball Forecaster, then in his book since it first came.

I wholeheartedly recommend his book to anyone who likes to follow prospects and especially to anyone who participates in a fantasy league, whether one that redrafts every year or a keeper league or a keeper league with their own minors.  His advice turned me on to guys like Ian Kinsler, Josh Barfield (when he came up), for example, before they did well, and helped my fantasy teams either win or at least make the Top 3.

I also wholeheartedly recommend Baseball Forecaster.  I was in my first fantasy league when I bought Baseball Forecaster and won one league and came in third in the other (couldn't recover from drafting half the Giants...) and have bought them ever since, plus bought some back issues, you can get them cheap at baseballhq.com's buying page, if you want to get a flavor of their analysis and techniques.

Also, if you want to understand sabermetrics and had not thus far, this is a great book to help you understand.  I have a very strong math and stat background but never understood all the particulars of sabermetrics until I read this book.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 5, 2008 10:47 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Q&A
I hate molina
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by barrybotch on Jan 7, 2008 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Q&A
Grant, nice scoop, real enjoyable read.  Goofus, for your Lucky Strike scene, honorable mention in the "sniffing Grant's Greatness" category
as for me, I like seeing Sosa, Tanner, and Velez getting noticed.
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by foothillsfan on Jan 8, 2008 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

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I think Eugenio strikes out far too much to get on base often enough to take advantage of his speed.

by sharksrog on Jan 9, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

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