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Chavy....?

It bugs the crap out of me when I have 2 diaries out of the last 10, but here it goes anyway.  So the A's forked Nick Swisher over to the White Sox for a decent haul of prospects.  So that proves that the A's are infact having a firesale of all their good players in order to begin a rebuilding process to one day in the next 3-4 years start seriously competing again.  And as long as they're doing this, one would assume that they would want to clear all of the people close to not-young (to make room for the youngsters) and anyone that even remotely weighs down on the payroll (because there's no sense in wasting money when you're not competing), especially the later because the A's have absolutely no money behind them.

So could this be a good time for us to take advantage of the situation and try to take Eric Chavez from the A's, too?  I think it'd be smart for us because it'd be a cheap pick up.  Chavez is quite good when he's not injured, which isn't often.  For the last 2 or 3 years, he's been pretty badly hampered by injuries.  Last year he was limited to 90 games because of a torn labrum, damaged tissue in his shoulder, damaged bicep tendons, and the list goes on.  This is why I think we should get him.  He's far, far away from being a guarantee to start next year, and  he's a pretty damn expensive risk for a player that might not start.  He's set to make between 11-12 million next year.  That's money that the A's have, but knowing them would probably rather not spend.  So maybe we could offer a small package of a couple of our lower level pitching prospects like Billy Sadler, Sergio Romo, Nick Periera, etc. and maybe Jonathan Sanchez for Chavy.  I think they'd bite because they wouldn't get much more for him and they would rather have him gone anyway because of all the money he makes.  It would hugely benefit us because we would (if he can stay healthy with our decent medical staff) have a starting 3B with a decent bat and an excellent glove (he had 6 consecutive GG's at 3B prior to 07').  He'd fit right into lineup around the 3 or 4 hole.  And the money would be far from a problem because there's a big heap of nothing on our payroll right now (save Zito/Rowand).  What do you guys think?

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Re: Chavy....?
I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I wonder how healthy Chavez can stay.  And I think a lot of it depends on his price tag.
Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by JT Jordan on Jan 3, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
It's not like BB to trade players when they're value is low, which as you mentioned Chavez' is.  

If the Sabes were to overpay it's possible.  I know their system could use a SS so maybe Sanchez, Sadler & Burriss could get it done.  Probably not though because I imagine the Dodgers or Angels offering better players.

by Cainer on Jan 3, 2008 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
But he might because Chavez is completely useless to the team now.  He's taking up money and his contract's going to expire before the rebuild is finished.  There's no sense in keeping him an extra season just to see if he gets any better if they can just start some prospects in his place when he's gone.  And they definitely wouldn't trade him to the Angels because if he stays healthy, they would've just traded an allstar to a division rival.  And the Dodgers would be stupid to not be content with Andy Laroche, and since they have him to fall back on, I doubt they'd really offer a whole lot for him, or at least nothing we couldn't top by chucking in another pitching prospect.

by boonitez on Jan 3, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
That's true about Beane not wanting to deal with the Angels.  I just think with Beane shopping Blanton and probably Street he won't be in a hurry to trade Chavy.  But then again I didn't see the Swisher trade coming at all.

I've read conflicting stories about what the Bums are going to do for a 3B next season.  They were going hard for Cabrera.  They were also rumored to have talked to the Cards about Rolen.  However after they signed Andruw Jones they said they'd use internal options at third base.

by Cainer on Jan 3, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
I think the Dodgers will go after Chavez...they kind of tipped their hand when they named their ballpark after him.
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by Goofus on Jan 4, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
First off, granted, he's better than anything we have at 3B now, and he'd definitely hit somewhere in the heart of the order for us in 2008.

However, for a Beane guy, I'm kind of shocked at that .347 career OBP.  And he's a left handed hitter who would probably lose a fair amount of power in the house that Bonds built.  And there's that contract.  And the injury history.  And he's 30-- not ancient, but certainly not the fabled young talent we've been starved for.  And the fact that we'd have to give up something to get him.

Oh, and now we'd have to find a way to unload Durham, so that Franny could have a spot to play.

Frankly, I don't see it happening.  Sure, he could be had given the firesale in the East Bay, but I'm just not sure he's the right guy for us, unless the price were exceptionally low.

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by Smoke on the Water on Jan 3, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
"now we'd have to find a way to unload Durham, so that Franny could have a spot to play"

Between brokedown Chavez, a 40+ yr old Vizquel, and day-to-day Ray Durham, I think Kevin Frandsen would be a lock for 500 at bats.

i agree that it'd be nice if the price were lower, but Beane's smarter than that.  I really don't see the Giants having the resources to pull off a trade that will garner a major-league ready or even a AAA  prospect at third, so help is going to be far away at that position.  Sounds like Dallas McPherson fell off the radar, as did Rolen -- although he was going to be just as expensive and risky.

The more I think about it, the more I can see this move happening.  Steal a bit of the A's fan base, fill a hole in the defense and the lineup, and Sabean still gets to satisfy his fetish of overpaying for players that were good several years ago.

by LittleCableCars on Jan 4, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: 500 AB for Frandsen
Those 500 mythical "fill in" at bat for Frandsen meet Mr. Bochy. His sub contractor's Aurilia and, possibly, Mr. Feliz.  

by daveinexile on Jan 4, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: 500 AB for Frandsen
If they get Chavez, I'd say there's zero chance they also sign Feliz...which is all the more reason to get Chavez.
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by Goofus on Jan 4, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: 500 AB for Frandsen
I HELLA agree with that.
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by hairball on Jan 4, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Zero chance
There is still that position being "manned" by a questionable rookie at least part of the time- First base. Feliz might have played  some of the best defense we saw there last season. Of coarse the bar was not exactly set that high off the ground in `07 but...

 For the record I still think Omar's signing sealed Pedro's Fate with the Giants,  Chavez or no Chavez. This is in no way to be taken as advocating for Feliz at this point.  Sabean's refusal to shut the door on Feliz (even with his 3 year demands) is a bit unnerving though and occasionally  forces me to think I might be wrong with the Omar or Pedro thinking.

by daveinexile on Jan 4, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
I don't know a lot about Billy Beane, but I do know that if there's anyone on this continent with more pride than Brian Sabean, its Billy Beane.

Beane passed on Giambi, Tejada, Isringhausen, Foulke, Hudson, and Mulder...but Chavez he kept.  Chavy has been his BFF ever since he put on an A's uni.  When superstars were leaving that franchise left and right, Beane made sure he kept Eric Chavez.  I'm just sayin' that a guy as proud as Billy Beane probably won't look to give away the player he has put so much stock into.

Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Jan 4, 2008 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
Nick Swisher was absolutely adored by Beane, though.
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by JT Jordan on Jan 4, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
Oh yes he would.  Chavez was interviewed before he had the surgery to repair the torn labrum and they asked him about a trade rumor they had heard about involving him.  Chavez stated that he was willing and ready to be traded to another team so long as it was for the good of the team.  That doesn't really sound like an unprepared answer to me, so I would guess BB talked to him about it before hand.  

by boonitez on Jan 4, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
That sounds like a millions pounds of speculation to me.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Jan 4, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
My mistake it was the other way around:
"I told Billy [Beane], 'I know what you're doing, if you want to move me, do what you have to do,'" Chavez said. "It's motivation to get healthy, play well and then see what happens. To be honest, with everything that's going on, there's probably no reason for me to stay around, it doesn't add up with what's happening." Chavez is signed through 2010 at an average of $11.5 million per season.

by boonitez on Jan 4, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
Sounds like an obvious Sabean target - vet, savvy, defense - but the A's hates the Giants as much as they do hitters who can't take a walk, and I think Beane would be happy if, lacking Chavez, the Giants are forced to go resign Feliz.  

The Giants would have to overpay by a lot in order to get any player from Beane, no thanks, we need other teams overpaying us, not the other way around.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 4, 2008 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
"...we need other teams overpaying us, not the other way around."

Truer words were never spoken.  I just can't get amped up to see us overpay for another team's broken down savvy veteran.  I want us to hold onto our best young prospects, not give them away because we want someone in the middle of our lineup in 2008.  I get it sucks to have Molina as our 4th hitter in our lineup, but I'd rather that than part with more and more upcoming talent.

Just a personal opinion.

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by JRPhillips on Jan 4, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
Upcoming talent that we would probably never get a chance to use because of our already-star studded rotation.  Sanchez is a long shot to be starting next year unless we should trade Lowry, which is apparently unlikely. And a side note, call me retarted, I just don't think he'll ever really be that good... But Periera and Sadler I don't think fall under the category of "upcoming talent" just yet.  They're still B/C level prospects until they can prove themselves at AAA.  And it wouldn't be just a crappy lineup-filler rental for 08'  Chavez still has 3 years left on his contract.  That would leave him here until the supposed rebuild is finished or at least close enough.  And this is signifigantly cheaper for us than other players like Edwin Encarnacion and Scott Rolen.

by boonitez on Jan 4, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
But he's still young for a vet.  He'd only be in our control until he's 33; not too old, though certainly not young.  And if we're the only team that dropped an offer for Chavy, which we might well be given his injury state, BB would have to pull the trigger so he could get rid of him and open up a spot for some minor league players to get their fair shots.  So we wouldn't really be overpaying; we'd just be using our excess of pitching talent to fill holes we need filled.

by boonitez on Jan 4, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
I don't think Beane would ever trade a useful player to the Giants. I think if he WAS willing to send Chavez to the Giants, I would be afraid to take him. Swisher would have been perfect for the Giants, and I doubt Beane ever gave them a chance to match or top the White Sox offer. Chavez is broken down and if Beane calls it means he thinks he won't ever get healthy.
Bring me a cleanup hitter please!!

by rxmeister on Jan 5, 2008 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
 As for Chavez it depends on the price paid to the A's and if the Giants feel they can afford the dollars to run the bet.

 Come July a healthy half season from Chavez and he will probably look mighty tempting to some possible contenders. Of coarse Beane might be thinking that way as well.

by daveinexile on Jan 4, 2008 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
Here's my initial reaction:

Beane is unloading his players for prospects.
If we get Chavez, we'll have to unload prospects.

Why do we want guys who we have to give up prospects to get? I suppose the real thing is that Beane is interested in near mlb ready prospects, and those are by and large not the guys we care about holding onto, so it might work. If it's a trade involving some of our marginal AAAA guys, I could see it working out very very well for us (Chavez being >>> Feliz, especially for potentially leading the league in not being Pedro Feliz), but I don't know what players and positions the A's would be targeting. It all depends on who is going Oakland's way.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2008 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Chavy....?
I'd expect that we could get Chavez for Henrey Sosa.  Maybe Kevin Correa and Fred Lewis.

by the1 on Jan 5, 2008 6:14 PM PST reply actions  

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