Phillies Sign Feliz

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Woo! Compensatory draft pick!

Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Jan 28, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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How does the draft pick work out? Do we get a extra 1st, 2nd , 3rd?

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 28, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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He's a Type-B player, so we'll get a sandwich pick somewhere between the 1st and 2nd round.

by xanthan on Jan 28, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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37th overall

by Cainer on Jan 28, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Nice, a gift that keeps giving.

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 28, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I'd definitely do the turkey on wheat with avocado. Thank you Pedro!

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Jan 29, 2008 6:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I was just about to post this.

Hoorah's are in order!

Hoorah!

by Keenlow on Jan 28, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

by Mike on Jan 28, 2008 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Ohh HAPPY DAY! FREE AT LAST FREE AT LAST!

"I'd take pleasure in gutting you boy" Oh and ignore the spelling. I do.....

by someguynamedg on Jan 28, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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YES!

by rotorueter on Jan 28, 2008 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Can I get a a few Huzzahs?

by xanthan on Jan 28, 2008 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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HUZZAH!

by Adam on Jan 28, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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HUZZAH! heres to breaking balls in the dirt.

by peteisathug on Jan 28, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Never thought I'd see the day

by stress on Jan 28, 2008 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I have been to the mountain top!

I do have to say that I think Happy and the Phillies are an excellent match.

by Scottsdale on Jan 28, 2008 1:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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YES! Thank you Phillies!

by Cainer on Jan 28, 2008 1:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You know what I predict, though? I bet Feliz hits 30 homers in that dinky Philadelphia ballpark and the Giants get ripped by a bunch of Bay Area sportswriters for not keeping him. Still, I've been waiting for this day for too long. Woo!

Remember the Mooseman.

by ryderball55 on Jan 28, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I was thing the sam ething. He has giys like Howard , Rollins in that lineup and samll park . Your probably right.

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 28, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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You are probably right, but feliz fits well on the Phil's. I mean the first 5 hitters have OBP's near or above 400, so he is not expected to get on base, or hit in the top 6. Honestly there are few better fits for feliz.

by OmahaGiants on Jan 28, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Minus the first and second hitters- research is a good thing

by OmahaGiants on Jan 28, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Actually, I bet he hits 35 home runs, but has 150 strike outs. He has no incentive for plate discipline in that lineup. Good signing for the Phillies, good closure for the Giants.

Who's going to play 3rd for the Giants? Who cares? Just as long as the poor hack plays defense. Start the clock on Villalona - there's no long term contract blocking his path to the big leagues.

by lunaticfringe1 on Jan 28, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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35 HR's might be a strech, but definately 25-30 HR's. But yeah If he hits 35 , the local media will make Sabean look like a even bigger idiot for making the right move.

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 28, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I would be surprised if Pedro hits 35 homers, but I would be shocked if he fanned 150 times. Didn't you notice that Pedro cut DOWN on his strikeouts a bit last season?

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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He did that mainly in the early part of the season, he went back to his hack-tastic ways in the last two months (not that his BA or OBP noticed...).

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 28, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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According to all reports, its Frandsen with Aurilia backing him up.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 28, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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that's according to Henry Schulman, but Brian Sabean has yet to comment. I expect to see Sabean sign someone like Ensberg or McPherson in the next few days. Brian isn't one to wait until after spring training starts to make a deal.

Hillary: Will cry for votes

by rxmeister on Jan 28, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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That's exactly what's gonna happen. Everyone with a brain knows that ballpark is teeny tiny, and a guy with any shred of power hitting ability will rake there. Won't stop dumb writers from going MAN THE GIANTS ARE STUPID FOR LETTING HIM GO HYUK HYUK

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 28, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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30-35 seems probable. Last year RHB hit HR with a park factor 145 in Philly; 136 for the last 3 years. In SF, 74 for 2007, 84 for the last 3 years.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 28, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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No he won't. Fleas didn't hit warning track shots that died. He hit weak ass grounders to SS. That won't keep him from trying though, so his punchouts will probably revert back to a very high number.

Like I said, his problem wasn't warning track power, its swinging at shit down and away.

by E Ticket on Jan 28, 2008 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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What will increase Happy Pete's totals is that he can now take outside pitches to rightfield and still hit them out of the ball park. I look for Pedro to get an extra 10 hits in Philly (5 bombs and 5 singles) by being willing to go more to the opposite field. This will increase his BA by 17 points (252 to 269) his SLG by 41 points (433 to 464) and his OBP by 13 points (288 to 301).

The Phillies and their fans are going to be very happy with Happy Pete's Gold Glove level defense and the improved offense this change in ballparks allows him to make in his approach to outside pitches.

by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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"...this change in ballparks allows him to make in his approach to outside pitches."

His "approach" had all the accuracy of a blindfolded kid after a pinata.

NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 28, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Yes, I'm sure when Pedro sees those short porches the first thing he'll think is "hey, I can hit HR going the other way now". Or just MAYBE he'll focus more on trying to yank the ball for power, resulting in a reversion to hacking at slop. Boy, I just don't know which one I'd bet on.

by dmunk on Jan 29, 2008 1:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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At AT&T Pedro could not hit it out to right and neither could any other righy. But he will be able to atn Citizens and that will make all the difference. Why wouldn't he try to go to right more if he could also hit it out to right?

by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I don't follow the logic. Maybe he couldn't hit it out to right at Mays' Field, but if Pedro had gone to right more he would have had more hits, RBI, and better OBP. No matter where he plays, if he is trying to hit every ball out of the park he will be the same old Pedro in Philly that he was here.

by marklar on Jan 29, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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So the phillies get a draft pick from us for Rowand and we get one from them for Feliz? Is that correct?

I'm an ESPN Insider!

by The Thrill on Jan 28, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Philadelphia gets our 2nd rounder and a sandwich 1st rounder. We get a sandwich 1st rounder.

by lunaticfringe1 on Jan 28, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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they get our 2nd round pick, we get a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds #37 overall

by Mike on Jan 28, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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The Phillies took our 2nd round pick plus a supplemental pick when we signed Rowand. Their supplemental pick is 34th overall.

The Giants get a supplemental pick for the Phillies signing Feliz, 37th pick overall.

by Cainer on Jan 28, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Well now aint that some darn good news! We get to move with life and, hopefully building, a better future. Feliz gets to play for a contender. Both organizations get extra picks. Life is good.

by daveinexile on Jan 28, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Great for Feliz

Put him with that Philadelphia infield and the Phillies line-up and he should help that team. Thanks and good luck Feliz. See you in the playoffs.

by wilriv21 on Jan 28, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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"See you in the playoffs."

That's a bit optimistic. Unless our starters post a sub-3 ERA, there won't be any playoffs in the Giant's near future. I'll bet the farm on that.

by lunaticfringe1 on Jan 28, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I think he meant we will see Feliz on the Tube this post season. I could be wrong though. It happens very frequently.

by daveinexile on Jan 28, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I think he only meant that Feliz's team will be in the playoffs. Perhaps a better statement would be, "Enjoy the playoffs".

by rotorueter on Jan 28, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I know exactly what he meant

I am a baseball fan first and foremost and enjoying watching the playoffs and World Series. I will be rooting for Feliz to play well in the postseason as I expect the Phillies to return to the playoffs this season.

by wilriv21 on Jan 28, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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unless the Mets get Johan Santana.

Hillary: Will cry for votes

by rxmeister on Jan 28, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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For the Giants to make the playoffs THIS year, their entire staff would likely need to fashion an ERA below 3.00 -- and even that might not be enough.

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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They would also have to hit 30 homers.

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by Natto on Jan 28, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Matt Cain can do that.

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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 28, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Best news of the offseason.

I like the new, do nothing, Brian Sabean. The team is improving by his lack of moves (for the most part.)

by positiveuphemism on Jan 28, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Watch out don't jinx it, before you know we might see Joe Crede and Tony Clark in Orange and black and Noah Lowry in a Whie sox uniform.

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 28, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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If the Giants are going to trade Lowry, I would prefer a good young prospect or two to Crede in return.

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I do too, But again does Brain?

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 28, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Over/under on number of HRs hit vs. SF: 4

Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jan 28, 2008 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Under

by Cainer on Jan 28, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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If ANY pitcher on our staff throws him a fastball, they AND the catcher who called it shall be fined a jillion dollars.

Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Jan 28, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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HAHA, definitely. Sliders away all day. Although I could picture Cain and Lincecum wanting to throw a few by him just because they could and they're young.

by Cainer on Jan 28, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Hey. Hey, hey!

Pedro changed his approach at the plate last year, and made progress.

I'm pretty sure I once saw him foul off a curve.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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No. They do have to throw him fastballs. They need to be fined if they throw said fastballs in the strike zone.

by marklar on Jan 29, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Odd that this was what was supposed to happen if Happy didn't end up back with the Giants.

I'll be curious to see what the dollar figures are, if only to further my own enjoyment. Really, did some team spend its own money and send us a pick to keep Feliz from being a Giant?

There are ... no words.

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by squirrel on Jan 28, 2008 1:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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According to the link above, it's $8.5M for two years, plus an option for the 3rd year.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 28, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Just read the Merc's account, and it notes a max of $15M over 3 years including bonuses and option year.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 28, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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It's a good day to be a Giant's fan. Best of luck Pedro.

by marklar on Jan 28, 2008 1:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I wish him well. Now that that's out of the way: WHOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 28, 2008 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Great news for all parties involved. Feliz will be an excellent fit for the Phillies. And the Giants can finally move on.

by BenboC on Jan 28, 2008 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Good for Pedro. 25 HR's from your #7 hitter = world series. The problem was always that the giants had him 4/5/6 in the lineup and he's not built for that. Best of luck PF

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."!

by GameSix on Jan 28, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I'm sure this will shock you, but Pedro's career OPS batting 4th is .818. Batting 7th it is .709. If Pedro's career OPS were .818 instead of its actual .721, Pedro likely would still be a Giant -- or have moved on with a contract exceeding $30 million over three years.

I love Pedro Feliz as a man, but haven't liked him as a player from the start. Still, there are many misunderstandings about the man among the Giants' fandom.

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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It's not that he would've bit better or worse down in the lineup...it's that he should've been there all along. Aside from that, he didn't really bat that much from #4 anyway...chances are those stats would've evened out as well.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."!

by GameSix on Jan 29, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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While I myself would hit Pedro seventh or even eighth on a good team, my point was that those who say that Pedro can't hit fourth, fifth or sixth don't necessarily have history with them.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Incidentally, most of the time Pedro hit fourth in the order, he was replacing Barry Bonds in that spot. Clearly the pressure of replacing Bonds wasn't overly bothersome to him.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Who I am supposed to digustly Boo now after the hit into double plays at the games?

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 28, 2008 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Ray Durham

by ResDog on Jan 28, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Pedro has grounded into a double play once every 33.4 at bats. Ray has done so only once every 48.9 at bats. If one truly feels the need to boo at all, booing Bengie Molina (one GDP per 28.0 at bats) would likely be more equitable.

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Ancient history my friend. Last 3 years:
Ray 1 GIDP every 30.4 PA
Bengie 1 GIDP every 33.9 PA
Bengie can at least point at his gut as an excuse.

by ResDog on Jan 28, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Pretty good response there, Res Dog. I'm impressed!

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You Should Of Been Careful What You Wished For!

None of these guys hold a candle to last year's GIDP/PA Champion. Kevin Frandsen lead the Giants in GIDP/PA with 17 in 298 PAs. That is one every 17.53 Plate Appearances! You guys all forgot the old axium that you better be careful what you wish for. You got it, so now you all have to live with it!

by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You Should Of Been Careful.

Even so, I'll take the three year totals over roughly half a season's worth of data anyday.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Oh I see. Veterans who always have 3 or more seasons of data are acceptable targets for riping with stats but Youngsters that don't are not. Pretty damm selective in your use of stats aren't you!

by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Nah, I'm just saying 298 ABs isn't a lot for anybody. If ResDog had cited Durham's last 298 ABs as his evidence for that, I would have said the same thing to him. A two week slump or equivalent streak can greatly damage the accuracy and credibility of any sample size significantly lower than, say, 450 ABs (which is still dangerously small).

I could turn the same argument on you, though. Frandsen's last 300 PA are worth scrutinizing, but his 100+ from the year before aren't worth playing in the equation? That's awfully selective of you, sir! I mean, when you incorporate the other 100 PAs those numbers skyrocket to almost exactly 1 GIDP every 20 PAs!

Obviously I'm taking this with some jest here. 1 in 20 is only marginally better than 1 in 17, and both are awful compared to 1 in 30, but this isn't really a case of giving youngsters a pass and ripping Vets. It's more a case of holding to the basic integrity of the law of sample size.

Over his minor league career, (about 1025 PAs or so), Frandsen averaged about 1 GIDP every 33 ABs, which, yeah, is a Minor League number, but which is also significantly less prone to being impacted by unsightly outliers.

This still leads us to believe that Frandsen could easily be the GIDP Leader of your 2008 Local Sports Team, so I'm obviously not in disagreement with your ultimate conclusion. It's the method, which cherry picks half a year's worth of Kevin's worst stretch with that particular stat in his career and tries to compare it to 3 years worth of data on other guys.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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When I say half a year for Frandsen, also, I'm not being accurate. It's half a year's equivalent of starting (assuming a full year starting is roughly 600 or so PAs), but it was, in fact, Kevin's entire year... minus Fresno time....

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

E4 = 1/2 MVP squared

My friend Pythagoras is having trouble understanding your theorem...

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: You Should Of Been Careful.

GiDPs aren't a good evaluation tool for hitters. What high numbers of GiDPs say about a hitter are:

Is probably an un-speedy right-handed hitter.
Makes a lot contact.
Hits the ball hard.
Hits with a lot of runners on in front of him.

You can make the argument that the hitter isn't patient, but most of the time these are RBI guys who aren't paid to take BBs, but put the ball into play.

Being right-handed is a neutral, being unspeedy is a negative, but everything else is a positive.

GiDPs are bad things but the hitter with the most isn't necessarily a bad hitter.

by marklar on Jan 29, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I like to post one useful post a month. Now I'm good til pitchers & catchers report.

by ResDog on Jan 28, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Like Sabean...

ResDog almost went 0-for-January.

Solid performance in the clutch, dog.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Mister Roberts

NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 28, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Pick your poison. Durham, Aurilia, Vizquel, Molina, Ortmeier.

I've got dibs on Ortmeier!

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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without looking at stats and with the caveat of small sample size, I would think that Frandsen would be a good bet.

2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Jan 28, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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WOO-HOO!!!!!!!

by ResDog on Jan 28, 2008 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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East coast bias prediction. Your 2008 GG winner at 3B.........Happy Pete

by beeradvocate on Jan 28, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I'm thinking the same.

by Cainer on Jan 28, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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+1

And Boom Goes the Dynamite

by Andy from DC on Jan 28, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jan 28, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ryan Klesko is as happy as random Asian guy

Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Jan 28, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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The resemblance is uncanny!

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Ryan Klesko is as happy as random Asian guy

The difference is that Klesko is yawning after a call strike three.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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No, the difference is that Ryan Klesko can manipulate time and space, whereas Hiro Nakamura is an aging athlete with a bad shoulder.

I may have those confused, but I'm pretty sure neither belongs on the 2008 SF Giants.

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Jan 29, 2008 6:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I read the news today oh boy
About a lucky man who made the grade (2 years, $13M with someone else)
And though the news was rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph.

Apologies to Lennon/McCartney

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Jan 28, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Millions and millions for an average Joe like Pedro? That's Capitalism.

Apologies to Lenin/Stalin

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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So is Feliz the Walrus?

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 28, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Does that make Pat Gillick the fool on the hill?

by ResDog on Jan 28, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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No the fool on th hill is Sabean. He offerred him a 2 year contract despite saying that the Giants were going in another direction. If idiot-boy could've had his way, Peter Happy would still be with us.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Jan 28, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Only...

If Feliz tries to make a dovetail joint.

Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Jan 28, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yatta!

Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Jan 28, 2008 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

From the Phillies PR department...

Pedro Feliz, finally emancipated from the bonds that have indentured him to the Giants organization, neatly trims his Gettysburg beard for his first Philadelphia Photo Op:

Bat on shoulder, Pedro warily eyes the Liberty Bell...

It's a big target, but it's been known to move. He may not make contact.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yes!

I'm seriously happier with this move than any other move (not) made by the Giants in the last five years.

Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)

by antinous on Jan 28, 2008 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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You're happier with not re-signing Pedro Feliz than with trading Armando Benitez? Happier than with not re-signing Edgardo Alfonzo? :)

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Oooh, that's making it harder. I'm happier with not keeping Feliz than not keeping Alfonzo because Feliz was likely to have more at-bats.

Can't argue with the Benitez thing. You're right. My second-favorite non-move move of the last five years.

Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)

by antinous on Jan 28, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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How much Non could a non-move move, if a non-move could move Non?

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Jan 29, 2008 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Mmmm.... Naan.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Sweet, Lyle! Clearly you were educated in California schools, not Memphis schools. :)

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Clearly. CSF member. The taxpayers of California clearly got their money's worth in those days. And I brag about the junior college system to this day.

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Jan 29, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Cerebro Spinal Fluid members FTW!

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Addition by Subtr...er...Inaction

Sabean's Winter of Inertia finally delivers a substantial payoff.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Feliz is a good guy, I will cheer for him when he comes back. He never had any attitude problems, he tried, and did his best. I am happy for the draft pick and Frandsen starting. Hope Feliz does well.

Angel Joseph is just that a guardian angel.

by gianator on Jan 28, 2008 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Pedro has gone through far more than most of us realize. He is indeed a good man.

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I don't think anybody is impugning his character, just his crapulent hitting.

"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Jan 28, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Standard words cannot describe it

For three long and forgettable seasons, Pedro at the plate was truly recrapulentless.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Is that another word for clueless? :)

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Here, here.

I hope he has a fine career; he always seemed like a decent guy, and he certainly took some after all of those inning-endings DP's.

Derin McMains had five fingers, but he only used three.

by oooreebay on Jan 28, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Now if someone would only sign Barry we could have another 2 draft picks to use before the second round. I would love to see the Giants with 4 picks before the 2nd round!

by thejuice on Jan 28, 2008 2:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Wouldn't we have had to have offered Barry arb for this to be true?

I get so confused with all this MLB FA/arb/draft stuff.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Wrong. Since the Giants didn't offer arbitration to Bonds they'll receive no compensation if he's signed.

by Cainer on Jan 28, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

farewell pedro

always a class act and a good guy, willing to go to great lengths (ie catching) to help the team. Loved his power and defense but he was so clueless at the plate that I don't think I could have stayed sane watching him for another entire season. He does make sense for the Phillies and this saves Sabean from himself (hopefully).

The bad news is this might make Sabean think he really has to trade for a "major league proven" third baseman. That would suck. Dallas McPherson, or anybody else please.

2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Jan 28, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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how do you think giants fans will react when happy pete returns to the big phone booth wearing red?

by stealth snail on Jan 28, 2008 2:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I would hope they do anything but Boo. I don't think I'd cheer, but he doesn't deserve to be boo'd. It's not his fault he was our starting third baseman, our 5th bat in the order, and our second best slugger for the last 2-3 years.

Though I would be very hardpressed not to cheer if Zito strikes him out on three big hooks.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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...or three straight Lincecum change-ups.

Idolizing the Nuschler Face since April 8, 1986 / GIANTSPACE returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Jan 28, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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That too. I just thought I'd throw Zito a bone. He'd think I was cheering for him in this scenario, and he could probably use that - true though it may not be.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I think Giants fans should cheer all returning Giants. If I were a potential free agent of another team, I would notice.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I'd cheer for him, until he homers or drives in a game-winning run.

I always thought Pedro handled things admirably. Pretty much kept his mouth shut, showed up ready to play ball every day. Always stayed positive, even while taking a boatload of criticism. When Larry Krueger leveled his infamous blast, Feliz (who, more than anyone else, was undoubtedly the one to whom Krueger was referring), was the only one who pretty much took the whole thing in stride.

I'll miss his 3rd base defense, but not the low-and-away hacking.

by tobias on Jan 28, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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If I'm at the game, polite applause, first AB only.

by marklar on Jan 28, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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My mistake, got too excited in all the recent events. We didn't offer arb, so no draft picks for Barry.

by thejuice on Jan 28, 2008 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Does this mean Lowry is now the most tenured Giant on the roster?

Is anyone working on a drug to treat RPS? (Restless Penis Syndrome)

by Goofus on Jan 28, 2008 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Durham, Correia, and Lowry have all been on the team since 2003.

Something tells me that Durham was the only one to start the year on the active 25 man roster, so he's probably technically the most tenured.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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And the longest tenured San Francisco athlete is Jeff Ulbrich, with the Niners since 2000 (then Derek Smith, 2001, and Eric Heitmann, 2002).

I know you didn't ask, but since BY retired the whole question got me curious.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I like how "Feliz" even kinda sounds like "Phillies."

Like a lesbian couple that's just a little too angry, I'm still waiting for my chance at adoption.

by dangjackson on Jan 28, 2008 3:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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And how "Happy" rhymes with "San Francisco."

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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similar meaning as well.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 28, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Great! Now all we need is a 3rd baseman!
And a first baseman.

by zenbitz on Jan 28, 2008 3:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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and a #4 hitter.

by tobias on Jan 28, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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and a # 1, #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, & #8 hitters.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Jan 28, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Our army of CF can fill those spots easily.

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 28, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm thinking a photoshopped Army of Darkness poster with all our CFs.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 28, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a positive

We have a few guys that can fit in the #10 and #11 holes, though.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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And we're totally set with #9 hitters. Except when we play AL teams on the road.

by tobias on Jan 28, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Aside from these few spots in the order -- as well as #9 -- the Giants' hitting is outstanding. Oh, and the bench is a bit weak as well.

But everything else about the Giants' hitting is fantastic. I have no idea why everyone is so worried about it. ;)

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Glad we're moving on. However, at first glance, the dollars don't seem like too much: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-phillies-feliz&prov=ap&type=lgns

by BigO on Jan 28, 2008 3:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I was thinking the same. He got less than he got from the Giants the past two years. I guess he really wanted that third option year.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 28, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Fark yes.

The rally pumpkin guy, round and full of seeds; unlike the Giants.

by jtoj on Jan 28, 2008 3:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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FREE AT LAST
FREE AT LAST
FREE AT LAST!!!!!!!!

Though I think this is good for our old friend Fleas. He'll hit well there. He endured a lot of abuse here so hopefully he'll have his thick skin ready for the perennial malcontents in Philly.

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 28, 2008 3:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Woot! Man, I sure hope Pedro doesn't get on the bad side of the Phillies fans. He's a good guy, so I hope he plays well for them. We just needed to move on, that's all.

by Skaldheim on Jan 28, 2008 3:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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2years and 8.5million. Not a bad deal for the Phillies.

Angel Joseph is just that a guardian angel.

by gianator on Jan 28, 2008 3:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Makes you wonder if Sabean actually offered less, or if Pedro turned down a better SF offer, and thereby burned a bridge.

But saved a career -- Sabean's.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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The Chron said he turned down a better deal because he was upset the Giants' haven't treated him better in negotiations. Considering it's almost February and the Giants didn't sign or trade for anyone else to take his position until he made up his mind, I thought he was treated very fairly.

Hillary: Will cry for votes

by rxmeister on Jan 28, 2008 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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That's very weird.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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And there was much rejoicing!!

(yayyyy yaayyyy)

Southern California: Water thieves and Dodgers fans.

by jasomack on Jan 28, 2008 4:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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They're probably paying him below the going free agent rate for what he'll bring in total with the negative bat and positive glove. As mentioned above, he's an absolutely perfect fit, since his weakness is the team's strength. When I turn off the rational part of the brain, though...

Since I don't have to watch Feliz hit anymore, my doctor says the recurrence of ulcers should subside. Hell yeah!

Might we go the season without a single sub-300 OBP hitter? Oh glory day!

David Arnott
Rufus on Fire -- A Charlotte Bobcats Blog

by David Arnott on Jan 28, 2008 4:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Bengie Molina did OBP only .298 last season. Not to aggravate your ulcers, but, you know, there is that.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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It is amazing how Bengie's 2007 season -- including clutch hitting -- was to A.J. Pierzynski's 2004 season. It is also amazing how differently they are viewed.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Maybe they are viewed differently because Bengie cost the Giants $ and Piezer cost talent.

by Cainer on Jan 29, 2008 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Good point. But that is a Giants' issue, not a player issue.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Kicking his trainer in the nuts and pissing off his pitching staff didn't do much for AJ's image either.

by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I guess they have schools there for Feliz's kids.

Lot of people say he was a class act, but his comment about "other cities have schools too" was pretty classless to me. It was he who brought up the reason why he wanted to be back with the Giants the other season, so it was legit for reporters to ask him that - he didn't have to give such a snotty answer.

Also, every year, he promises that he has turned a new leaf, that he's been training hard during the off-season, that he's doing some new thing that will make him a better hitter, and every year, it's the same old thing, only older and worse, at least offensively - I do credit him for making himself so good defensively.

And the Phillies make total sense, they were one of two teams that had worse production coming out of 3B in 2007 than the Giants, but they are competing while Pirates are not. So as bad as Feliz is, he is an upgrade for the Phillies both offensively (though marginally so) and defensively. He would also at least double and perhaps triple the number of HR hit at 3B for the Phillies, vs. 2007.

I wouldn't boo but I'm glad he's gone, I'm glad we got a draft pick, I'm glad that Frandsen's a step closer to starting at 3B, though I suspect a trade sometime in spring training to get a starting 3B.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 28, 2008 4:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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He did cut down on strikeouts. That's improvement right? Right? Yeah, I'm not convinced either.

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 28, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm not sad to see him go, but despite his one unfortunate (and clearly frustrated) comment, he truly is a classy guy.

Pedro played a lot of positions (six, actually) for the Giants. He seldom if ever complained. His limitations as a hitter made him difficult to embrace, but there were few finer men on the team IMO. Few knew what Pedro endured to get to where he is.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Now that this has settled in, I can admit he wasn't a bad guy. The situation in Philly seems ideal, where they had worse offensive output and no D from 3B. He wasn't a fit on a team with a terrible offense that is trying to get younger. I hope he wins a Gold Glove on the East Coast, because he deserved it in '07.
Maybe, he translates his cut in strikeouts last year into 6 more walks (one a month) and knocks a few more doubles and homers in Citizens. He could hit .270 again! .305 OBP!
What I love about this most is it has the APPEARANCE of rebuilding, which is more than we've seen up until now. Free pick, 600 AB's for Frandsen and... Aurilia.

Southern California: Water thieves and Dodgers fans.

by jasomack on Jan 28, 2008 5:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Fuck. Me. Sideways. This totally cancels out all the nothing going on in the Giants office and how angry it's made me, or at least for rest of the week. Um,...I'd like to thank the Lord, Jesus Christ, for making this possible for me. I'd also like to thank my parents, the Giants organization, and....

by boonitez on Jan 28, 2008 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Good luck Pedro Feliz Navidad. I will miss watching him field 3B. I have little doubt he'll win a gold glove, bash 25+ homers, and drive in close to 100. However, he wouldn't have done these things with the Giants, so it is a win for both San Francisco and Philadelphia.

Rowand for Feliz? Yeah, I'd make that trade.

Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Jan 28, 2008 5:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Me too. Although the $8 million per season salary differential does give pause for thought.

Actually, I think both players were good signings.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I kind of appreciate this because I can now rationally assess Pedro Feliz as a player. I could never do that when he was a Giant.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jan 28, 2008 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I'll miss the outstanding defense. I won't miss the horribly predictable hacking at sliders in the dirt.

Good luck in Philly, Pete Happy. Enjoy the delicious cheese steaks and water ices.

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Jan 28, 2008 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Ding dong the witch is dead........

"But I AM a stepchild!"-Pedro Feliz

by Smotheredinhugs on Jan 28, 2008 8:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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bye bye feliz. I'll enjoy watching you hit your 30 HRs and get your first GG. Oh the east coast magic.

He and Utley make that a pretty darn good IF, even with Howard.

by kennv on Jan 28, 2008 8:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Yeah, I'm thinking he goes 25 to 27 HRs in 2008. Pedro has good power to right-center, he would display it on the road from time to time, but for obvious reasons he doesn't go there at AT&T. So with that added confidence he'll probably add 10 points on his average. That Phillie lineup should be a fun, yet hack-tastic, lineup to watch.

by RUSirius on Jan 28, 2008 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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It isn't just that he has half his ABs in Citizen's, he now has fewer ABs in Petco and Dodger Stadium and more in the smaller, or at least neutral parks of the NL East. I think he hits 35 HRs and 1/3 as many 2bs.

by allfrank on Jan 29, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm late to this party, but WOOO!!!

Happy is going to be reaal happy in CBP. As many have said, I'll miss the GG defense, but not the hacktastitude.

On a good team, he's a reasonably useful part. On the 2008 Giants, he's just in the way.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jan 28, 2008 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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you can call me "pete happy" now that i wont see #7 "hacking at slop"

by peteisathug on Jan 28, 2008 9:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Can you be a happy thug?

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Jan 29, 2008 6:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

One Of The Lessons Learned

Most players will not accept a reduction in pay from their current team even if they can't get the same pay or a raise from anyone else. Most players will take an even bigger reduction in pay from a new team rather then swallow their pride and accept the judgement of thier current team that a reduction in pay is warrented.

I don't think this is unique to the currently not so "Happy Pete". You don't make it in the big leagues without an ego and ego will rarely allow things to go any other way. The same thing happened with Rich Aurilia when he left after 2003. Players like JT Snow who after 2003 recognized and accepted that his value had decreased and thus choose to stay with his current team at a reduced level of pay are a very rare breed indeed.

by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Good call, Rainman.

Also, since October, Sabean had been less than "classy" with his in-the-press negotiations with Pedro, as if he were daring him publicly to find a better deal. That is a tactic which worked last year, but maybe Pedro got fed up with it. Good for Pete, if so.

It's almost as if Brian were trying to show the media -- and crowds like the one on this site -- that he's one tough GM hombre to deal with.

Most of his recent contracts prove otherwise, however.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Don't really see how Sabean could have played it any other way. How else was he to have any chance to get Pedro to accept the same as last year for just one year or less then last year if he was to got two years?

by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Slop-hackers need love , too

A tender kiss on Pedro's scruffy cheek, I think, would have helped.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I thought of that a while back. I also thought if I was in Pedro's shoes ( like I ever had a 1/1000th of that talent) being age 33 and some what of a specialist this might be the last chance to play for a post season contender. It has to suck being a young dead red hitter watching Dunston flail away in the `02 post season and realize that's the closest you are going to get to a post season success if you re-upped with the current Giants.

Yes I would take less money for the chance to wipe away the taste of "6 outs away".

by daveinexile on Jan 29, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Multiple Choice: 3B

I love this inaction by the Giants, because it opens the door this spring for:

a. Frandsen
b. Aurilia
c. Durham
d. Joe Crede
e. Dallas McPherson
f. Tony Zuniga
g. pick from a-f; no other options exist

Derin McMains had five fingers, but he only used three.

by oooreebay on Jan 28, 2008 10:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I can't believe you played the Zuniga card!

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Jan 29, 2008 6:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm thinkin' Daphne Zuniga would be an improvement.

by zenbitz on Jan 29, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm glad for him, good luck in Philadelphia, Pedro.

by Keano on Jan 28, 2008 11:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Thank god. But Frandsen can't play this position. Do we have someone in the minor leagues who can pull it off?

Hands off Tim.

by cdalygo on Jan 28, 2008 11:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Why can't Frandsen play 3B. He played it in College and was selected as his league's best defensive 3B. So, just what is your basis for making this statement so assuredly?

by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Barring some miracle signing, Frandsen really is as good as it gets to play 3b for us. And he can play 3b. He can play every position from 2b to 3b. Or, at least, he has in the past.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If Rainman can stand it, I can

Play it again, Fran.

by Moggeee on Jan 29, 2008 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No Miracle Signing Required

The countdown to Sanchez for Crede has already begun. When it happens all you rejoicing now will be eating crow.

by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2008 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: No Miracle Signing Required

I wouldn't trade Jonathan for Joe. The White Sox are supposed to be the fleecees, not the fleecers.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: No Miracle Signing Required

Never said I would. Just said that I think the Giants will. Perhaps not Sanchez but a young pitcher or prospect that most of us would rather just keep then trade for Crede. As I have said elsewhere, I would trade Roberts or Aurilia and Kline for Crede (veteran or veterans for veteran, contract or contracts for contract) but I don't think this is what the Giants are likely to do.

by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: No Miracle Signing Required

You would actually give up as much as Dave Roberts for Joe Crede? :)

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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WOWIE!! It's news like this that is almost enough to force me out of my lucid winter hibernation. ALMOST.

Piss off Pete Happy, and as for you Mr. Sabes...count yourself lucky, you ignorant bastard. This offseason you've shown us that you have no plan for the foreseeable future, but in letting Pedro take a walk, this is clearly an addition by subtraction kind of thing.

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Jan 29, 2008 2:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Reapeating what others have said, that's great news. Feliz didn't make sense on this current team & picking up a sandwich pick is good. Feliz will be a good signing for the Phillies and be a good fit.

The only worrying thing is that we trade for Crede instead which could end up being an even worse decision than bringing Pedro back.

by GiantFan on Jan 29, 2008 3:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Bingo

by allfrank on Jan 29, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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so who plays third now? frands-cred-dall- auri- bippity-boppity-boo? if this was baseball stars we could just spend a few bucks pumping up frandsens power score and wed be in bidness

my non-baseball friends think im listening to art bell all the time when they hear "giant spaceball is on the air"

by son of riles on Jan 29, 2008 9:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: Phillies Sign Feliz

Assuming the Giants don't acquire another third baseman (which I think they indeed will do), Kevin Frandsen's chances of getting lots of at bats just increased. With the Giants needing to develop good, young position players, I don't see that as a bad thing.

But I suspect they will add another third baseman and quite possibly a first baseman, as well.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Phillies Sign Feliz

They can only do either/or, one but not the other.

by allfrank on Jan 29, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Phillies Sign Feliz

The worst part is Sabean has already said, just this week, he was pretty disinclined to sign a 1b, meaning he's pretty comfortable going into the season with Ort/Aurilia. He's made no such statement regarding 3b. That strikes me as ass backwards. We have virtually nothing in the system beyond Ort/Aurilia for 1b. We have many more MIFs in the system, such that we have Frandsen/Aurlia for 3b as well as Leone (I think McClain is no longer with us), as well as Ochoa and Velez for MIFs. And, still, I think he is going to sign a 3b. If he were to sign a LH hitting 3b that would make some sense, but, another RH hitting 3b does nothing more than take ABs awau from Frandsen.

by allfrank on Jan 29, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Phillies Sign Feliz

Here Allfrank we part company. We still have McClain (but at 35 I don't think this matters much) but more importantly we have other corner outfielders besides Ortmeier that can be moved to 1B like Schierholtz and Bowker. I just don't see how you could see the likes of Leone and Ochoa as players you really want to give any major league ABs to and Velez and the Giants are far better off with Velez playing 2B everyday in Fresno then either are with Velez added to the 3B mix.

Bottom line as I see it is that signing or trading for a stopgap 3B makes far more sense then signing or trading for a stopgap 1B.

by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Phillies Sign Feliz

Maybe, if you are saying we have enough coverage with Ort/Aurilia/Ishikawa. I just think Frandsen is more proven, more likely to succeed than Ort. And I think there is less than a 5% chance Schierholtz or Bowker get moved to 1b this year.
My issue is I don't want this 25 spot on the roster to be someone who takes playing time away from Frandsen - or Ort - unless they were also a young prospect, a la MacPherson.

by allfrank on Jan 30, 2008 2:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Phillies Sign Feliz

IMO the Giants are short at third base and woefully short at first. Actually, it's pretty bad at EACH position.

I have no problem though giving Frandsen a shot at third base and Ortmeier or Schierholtz at first. Might as well see what the young guys can do.

If the Giants had left Nate at the hot corner, they would indeed now have an opening there for him.

Incidentally, the Giants started Jack Clark out as a third baseman. He played the position all the way through the AA Texas League. He led all Texas League third basemen both in fielding percentage and in errors. Anyone want to take a guess as to how that seemingly impossible combination could have happened?

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2008 5:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs