Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Here's a letter that B.R. Sabean just sent. I still haven't renewed my season tix - the deadline passed and I just couldn't justify feeling like a sucker anymore. If anyone wants to buy a quarter or half of the season, I could change my mind, but I just can't get my head around shelling out thousands of bucks for a loser plan-- I don't seek or need guaranteed wins and a guaranteed post-season berth (we're not Yankees fans, for god's sake). But if I'm going to throw real money into something, I have to see that it's going to some intelligent effort, and I don't see that with the Giants. Am I wrong here?
Anyway, here's the Sabean letter of today, January 28.
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Dear Richard,
With three weeks until the pitchers and catchers report to Scottsdale for the start of the 2008 season, I want to take this opportunity to give you a state of the Giants message. This off-season has been an exercise in patience, both on your part as our loyal fans and from the club's standpoint in acquiring the right type of impact players who will help the Giants not only in 2008 but into the future.
In recent years, you have become accustomed to us building our teams with an influx of veteran players, in many cases on a one-year basis. Moving forward, we are looking to build our teams with solid all-around players from within our system and supplementing them with high-integrity, impact players who will play major roles on our club for years to come. We have seen this formula work for clubs such as the Atlanta Braves of the early-1990s -- whose strength much like the Giants was strong starting pitching -- and we all know that they went on to win an unprecedented 14 consecutive division titles.
One of those players who will make a huge impact not only on the 2008 team, but over the next five years is our new Gold Glove center fielder Aaron Rowand. As we stress pitching, speed and defense in the new era of Giants baseball, the 30-year-old All-Star embodies those three attributes while also coming off the finest offensive season of his career in 2007. Perhaps his most marketable trait to us as we look to change the culture around our team is his "all-or-nothing" attitude once he takes the field.
When Rowand takes the field, he will be roaming center field at AT&T Park behind one of the top starting rotations in the National League. This winter our assumptions that Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum are two of the top arms in the game today were confirmed by all of the teams which wanted to acquire them. While off-season acquisitions often make headlines, I think our best moves have been the ones we did not make. In holding onto Cain and Lincecum, they combine with Barry Zito and Noah Lowry to be the foundation for a very strong rotation for years to come.
While the game starts on the mound, having a solid defense is crucial especially if you have to manufacture runs. The baseball axiom of having a strong defense up the middle applies with this team, as Rowand combines with catcher Bengie Molina and shortstop Omar Vizquel for 14 Gold Gloves. Our outfield defense will be much improved this year, as we could possibly have three center fielders covering the gaps at AT&T Park this season in Rowand, Dave Roberts and Randy Winn. That trio, along with youngsters Rajai Davis, Fred Lewis and Nate Schierholtz, will be an asset to our pitching staff as their speed will allow them to cover a lot of ground and hold runners from taking extra bases as they have in the past. In turn, that will keep the doubleplay in effect and help lessen pitch counts for our pitchers, allowing them to work deeper into games.
While pitching and defense will be key ingredients in our formula for success in 2008, we are also going to have to execute effectively at the plate and use a speed game to drive our offense. Bruce Bochy wants to instill an aggressive, selfless style in 2008 in which each player will be asked to do the little things and play for one run in an inning. The Giants have traditionally been a team that has relied on power, but this year's edition will be one that will need to execute the fundamentals and use aggressive baserunning to thrive.
Going into Spring Training, we are definitely going to give our younger players a chance to compete for significant playing time this season. Daniel Ortmeier and Kevin Frandsen embody the type of players who play an all-out brand of baseball. To not give a fair shot to players like them, who seem ready to play on a regular basis after what they showed down the stretch last season, would be counterproductive to getting our club on the right track.
One of our major downfalls last year was losing close games, as we played the most games in the majors decided by two runs or less (39-55). We expect to close the gap in those tight contests with an improved outfield defense, better situational hitting and a bullpen with young arms who have another year of experience.
I'm heartened to know that we have three viable candidates to close games in Brian Wilson, Brad Hennessey and Tyler Walker. As we all saw in September, Wilson has made great strides and appears to be ready to take the next step towards being an extremely valuable man in the late innings. Hennessey is a valuable commodity for us, as his versatility really give Bruce and Dave Righetti many options on how to use him -- starting, middle, setup or closing. Remember, he led our club with 19 saves last year. I am definitely intrigued by the return of Tyler Walker from Tommy John surgery at the end of last season. With even more time for his arm to recover, I look forward to seeing him help us close out victories with his late inning efforts.
Even with Spring Training just around the corner, I assure you that we are not standing pat with our club. We are always looking to strengthen our team for both the present and the future. With that said, it is quite possible that the team that reports to Scottsdale in three weeks will not be the same team that opens the season March 31 at Dodger Stadium.
Not only are we taking a new tact on the field, but we also made three major new additions to the front office to help supplement our baseball operations staff. To add the baseball knowledge of former White Sox GM Ron Schueler, longtime Dodgers' scout John Barr and former Pirates scouting director Ed Creech to the decision making process can only strengthen our personnel moves, both on the major- and minor-league levels.
As we enter a new era in Giants baseball, I think that you will enjoy watching a core of energetic players who will leave everything on the field in pursuit of victories when you come to AT&T Park. Like any time there is change, there is the potential for growing pains, but watching a group of young players grow into established major leaguers that lead a winning team can be even more rewarding. I look forward to seeing you at AT&T Park this season to watch the dawning of a new era in Giants baseball.
Sincerely,
Brian R. Sabean
Senior Vice President and General Manager
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Gotta say that I don't love seeing the phrases "the little things" or "will need to execute the fundamentals" (emphasis added). Um, yeah, they will need to execute the fundamentals... is there any reason to think they, you know, will execute the fundamentals?
I appreciate that he's saying Ortmeier and Frandsen are going to get a "fair shot" (whatever that means). Does that mean Durham is expendable or become bench material... or does it just mean that Frandsen is going to get to play a lot in spring training and then ride the bench all year, not getting any better, not getting any experience, etc.?
Over to you. Help me decide whether to renew my season tix, or rather become the Ex-Mayor of 311.
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by jponry on Jan 28, 2008 11:52 AM PST 0 recs
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by Cleophus on Jan 28, 2008 11:56 AM PST 0 recs
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Jan 28, 2008 3:10 PM PST
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It looks as though there's some thought going into where the team is going, but if he were to sign Tony Clark, I might take that back.
by Goofus on Jan 28, 2008 11:56 AM PST 0 recs
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Brilliant.
by sharksrog on
Jan 28, 2008 2:03 PM PST
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That's not far from saying that I combine with Barry Bonds for seven MVPs.
by antinous on Jan 28, 2008 11:59 AM PST 0 recs
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Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM PST
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Jan 28, 2008 12:09 PM PST
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by sharksrog on
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stop insulting our intelligence and trying to tell us he's a good defensive catcher!!
by Bruins17 on
Jan 28, 2008 10:59 PM PST
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by someguynamedg on Jan 28, 2008 12:07 PM PST 0 recs
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That said, I doubt I'd buy season tickets this year, and wait to see what things look like next season. It's not worth it if the team sucks, in my opinion. Personally, if I go to any games this year, it's going to be for free, and it's going to be because I'm actually interested in seeing our kids play. And even then, it's probably only going to be when Cain or Tim pitches.
by JRPhillips on
Jan 28, 2008 12:23 PM PST
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This is typical Sabean. When you're trying to compete by signing over-the-hill vets, you tout experience, professionalism, and clubhouse chemistry, even if you're signing/trading for known malcontents like Pierzynski, Hillenbrand, and Benitez. When you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year. That's a great way to win a debate contest, or fool fans who haven't read your BS time and again already, but building a baseball team has very little to do with PR, and PR is all this is.
by English Professor on
Jan 28, 2008 1:03 PM PST
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Which is to say that making a poo-poo about Sabean not saying Schierholtz deserves a shot isn't very worthwhile, because nobody with this specific team would say that in a promotional letter. Making a poo-poo that Sabean ostensibly blocked Schierholtz from having a chance by making a signing, that's what to make a poo-poo about. Because other people might not have done that.
You know, if poo-poo is what you do... do.
by howtheyscored on
Jan 28, 2008 1:13 PM PST
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But look what I responded to.
It's one thing to say that Sabean had to write the letter as he did due to his current circumstances. It's another to say everything in there is true. For instance, just because it would be stupid for him to write that he's effectively blocked Shierholtz, that doesn't mean it's not true.
by English Professor on
Jan 28, 2008 1:25 PM PST
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Jan 28, 2008 1:44 PM PST
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Jan 28, 2008 2:26 PM PST
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by JRPhillips on
Jan 28, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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Hope they improve on last year where the players interpreted that as one run in a game...
by victor frankenstein on
Jan 28, 2008 10:01 PM PST
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What? THAT'S typical Sabean? You'll have to refresh my memory as to when we've tried rebuilding from within, because all the drinking I did back in my 20s might have killed enough brain cells that I don't remember this time frame you are referring to where we tried rebuilding.
I absolutely agree Sabean is picking and choosing what he says. That makes sense, doesn't it? He also, as I previously pointed out, failed to make mention of the fact that our team has approximately 0 power in the lineup. Does that make him a liar suddenly? At least at no point in his letter, did he say, "We're going back to the playoffs, BOYYYYY!" or even, "With a little hard work and elbow grease, we'll finish with over 90 wins this year!" Instead he mentions growing pains.
As for your last line, "building a baseball team has very little to do with PR, and PR is all this is." You bet your ass this is PR. What did you think it was, an honest telling of exactly what Sabean thinks he put together? Wouldn't that be COUNTER-productive? And sure, actually BUILDING a team has little to do with baseball, but doesn't putting butts in seats have a LITTLE something to do with PR? And is that what this letter was? An attempt to help convince season ticket holders to renew?
Again, I still wouldn't renew. Not this year, anyway.
by JRPhillips on
Jan 28, 2008 2:43 PM PST
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If you can't refute the point I made in the post - that Sabean uses positive euphemisms in a thinly veiled to hide the flaws in the team he's constructed - when using my entire quotation, that should probably be a sign to you that the overall point I'm making might have some merit.
by English Professor on
Jan 28, 2008 8:22 PM PST
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Slow down man. What does that even mean?
by groug on
Jan 28, 2008 11:12 PM PST
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I selflessly take a bullet for Academia
And as EP's highly decorated speech writer and proofreader, it was MOI who carelessly forgot to insert the itsy-bitsy word "attempt" after his stirring phrase "thinly veiled" in paragraph two.
by Moggeee on
Jan 28, 2008 11:59 PM PST
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Also, let me point out, English Professor, that you too chose to ignore every single point I'd made counter to your own points. Instead, you chose to focus on one point that only affected one line of my reply. So, English Professor, if you wish to call someone out for not refuting the point you made in your post - which I did, by the way, professor - you might wish, yourself to make your own counter-points to my points. Otherwise you're simply being hypocritical.
by JRPhillips on
Jan 29, 2008 9:15 AM PST
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Apples and Oranges
Argue against any part of what I write that you like, agree with any part of it that you like, ignore any part of it that you like, just don't alter any part of it and still attribute the quote to me. If I ever do that to you - or to anyone else for that matter - then you'll be able to reasonably call me hypocritical.
by English Professor on
Jan 29, 2008 1:52 PM PST
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"This is typical Sabean. When you're trying to compete by signing over-the-hill vets, you tout experience, professionalism, and clubhouse chemistry, even if you're signing/trading for known malcontents like Pierzynski, Hillenbrand, and Benitez. When you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year."
What? That second "when you're" is typical Sabean? You'll have to refresh my memory as to when we've tried rebuilding from within, because all the drinking I did back in my 20s might have killed enough brain cells that I don't remember this time frame you are referring to where we tried rebuilding.
My point remains the same, but now your quote takes up WAAAAAAY too much space. BUT now you may sleep easy tonight, because I totally quoted you correctly. And if you were using the "When you're" lines as a generalization, you might have wanted to clarify that, as opposed to saying THIS is typical Sabean, MANY PEOPLE do this... Seriously, Professor, at what school do you teach?
by JRPhillips on
Jan 29, 2008 2:15 PM PST
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by JRPhillips on
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Since you're clearly unwilling or unable to accept this viewpoint, I'll construct a hypothetical scenario in order to re-state our debate, substituting an unrelated argument, but keeping the same logic patterns we've each followed during this argument:
English Professor:
"Typical Feliz. When you're with the Giants, you fail to advance runners from 2nd to 3rd with no outs, and from 3rd to home with less than two outs when the team really needs it. When you're with the Phillies, you fail to advance a runner from 1st to 2nd with no outs when the team really needs it."
JR Phillips:
"Typical Feliz... When you're with the Phillies, you fail to advance a runner from 1st to 2nd with no outs when the team really needs it."
What? THAT'S typical Feliz? You'll have to refresh my memory as to when he's played with the Phillies, because all the drinking I did back in my 20s might have killed enough brain cells that I don't remember this time frame you are referring to where Feliz played for the Phillies.
Do you see how unreasonable that argument appears? My point clearly wasn't about either just the first sentence (when Feliz played for the Giants), or just the second sentence (when Feliz is playing for the Phillies), nor is it claiming he's played for the Phillies before (although your use of my abbreviated quote may make it appear that way). I think most reasonable people would find the commonality between the two sentences - Feliz's inability or unwillingness to advance runners - and assume my point is about Feliz's performance regardless of the team he plays for.
This is equally true of my original Sabean quote:
"This is typical Sabean. When you're trying to compete by signing over-the-hill vets, you tout experience, professionalism, and clubhouse chemistry, even if you're signing/trading for known malcontents like Pierzynski, Hillenbrand, and Benitez. When you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year."
My point clearly wasn't about either just the first sentence (when Sabean was trying to compete by signing vets), or just the second sentence (when Sabean is trying to rebuild from within), nor is it claiming he's tried to rebuild from within before (although your use of my abbreviated quote may make it appear that way). I think most reasonable people would find the commonality between the two sentences - Sabean's habit of misrepresenting the actual makeup of his team - and assume my point is about Sabean's spin doctoring regardless of what kind of team he's assembled.
by English Professor on
Jan 29, 2008 5:00 PM PST
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So I'm going to help you out, professor. Why? Because I too know the burden of typing something, only to realize I didn't effectively make my point or that the way I worded something, it could be taken completely out of context. Plus, I'm just a really nice guy who likes to help. So what you MEANT to say was the following:
"This is typical Sabean. When you're trying to compete by signing over-the-hill vets, you tout experience, professionalism, and clubhouse chemistry, even if you're signing/trading for known malcontents like Pierzynski, Hillenbrand, and Benitez. Now that you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year."
It's just a simple word change, professor. But now you're giving an example of something that's happened in the past as well as an example of something that's happening in the present.
You're welcome. Can we go back to discussing baseball, the Giants, and Sabean's letter now that I've cleared up your message for you?
Because I really want to remind you - yet again - that Sabean's letter was a letter to convince season ticket holders to renew. And as any reasonable person could easily comprehend, trying to put a positive spin on something is going to be a far more effective method of encouraging renewals than saying, "Yeah, we suck. Don't bother coming to the ballpark this year."
by JRPhillips on
Jan 29, 2008 10:36 PM PST
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Can anyone remember a worse infield than the Giants would be likely to field today?
by sharksrog on
Jan 28, 2008 2:10 PM PST
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by Roger on
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Brenley's 1985: .220/.311/.391 = OPS+ of 100!
Molina's 2007: .276/.298/.433 = OPS+ of 86
Also, walks are good.
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by daveinexile on Jan 28, 2008 12:14 PM PST 0 recs
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If he has said something like this, I'd say give them your hard-earned thousands:
"The team has sucked the past few years and I have been the puppet of a regime content to stuff its pockets full of your money. I'm trying to turn that all around now. I want to be committed to winning baseball. Seriously. I promise."
by Woody Wins on Jan 28, 2008 12:33 PM PST 0 recs
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I'm calling bullshit! Even over 40 Omar Vizquel got an optional second year! Roberts, Winn, Zito, Durham, Molina, Aurilia, all working on multi-year contracts!
If by "one year basis" you mean Bonds and Klesko... then maybe. Otherwise, this is the first line in a long line of lines being fed to us here that don't have more than a splintered wooden leg to stand on.
I agree with Goofus that there are some good things he acknowledges here. Talking about the moves he didn't make is good not just because it's true, but because it's true AND he didn't make them by not trying to make them. In the past we would have offered oversized contracts to Carlos Lee, Juan Pierre, Dave Roberts, Barry Zito, Joe Funtime, The Giles Brothers, and Kevin Costner, waited for those to fall, and then fill in the gaps with Aurilia and Klesko. This year he offered a decent contract to Rowand, and generally didn't stretch with anybody else.
Which is to say, any good things he did before tended to be the luck of some other team being dumber than we are. This year, we actually tended to abstain from being dumb in the first place. Which is encouraging in a funny sort of way.
There's the usual rhetorical spit and dribble we get about Aaron Rowand, speed and defense, fundamentals, blah blah. That's nothing to get bent out of shape about, since it's basically standard fare for fan appeasal and 1) doesn't mean a lot, and 2) doesn't not mean a lot. Generally just words. People like words.
It's also good the way he acknowledges the bullpen, which comes on the heels of being expertly inactive with bullpen moves (after scaring the hell out of me by sounding like he was going to spend on every bullpen arm available when the offseason started). Acknowledging Brian Wilson is great, talking up Hennessey in all the right ways is fine by me, and bringing up Tyler Walker is just the magic of comic threes.
I think the only things that really bothered me were that first line about "usually on a one year basis," which was crap, a total lie, and an obvious early attempt to pull one over, then the line about "three center fielders roaming the outfield" (that, because it's just so painfully painful), and then the bit about "doing what it takes to score one run an inning," which sounds nice, but if you even generously assume that a team aiming to score one run an innng succeeds half the time, they still only score 4 runs a game, with the occassional 5 runner in there. Those are none of them even falsely reassuring statements. They are just transparent, misleading, and without a shred of logic.
The rest of the letter isn't much. A few good things, a few standard rhetoric things that aren't worth it to get mad about, and a few things that irk me.
Its not depressing, and I guess that's something!
by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 12:49 PM PST 0 recs
One year contracts
Vizcaino, Greene, and Wright in 2006.
Jeffrey Hammonds in 2004...
Which is not to say that they haven't given entirely too many multi-year contracts to players who clearly didn't deserve it.
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Jan 28, 2008 4:33 PM PST
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Plus, think about all the loyal Warriors fans who've finally been rewarded--don't you want to be there in your regular seats when things turn around?
by Boo on Jan 28, 2008 12:59 PM PST 0 recs
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I agree with the gist of what you say
Haren is under control for the next 3 years at about $15.5M.
The Giants control Cain for 4 more years, 1 more year of minimum wage, then 3 arby years.
Once Cain hits arby, he is pretty likely to be more expensive than Haren.
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But the ability to buy out Cain's arbitration years is there for any team that controls him. Which leads to the off topic if Sabean completes his off season of limited activity on bring in young help securing the costs of a Cain would be a very solid move in my eyes.
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- Saying not to be surprised if the team that starts the season isn't the same one that starts ST means he knows there are still holes to fill. I would think that doesn't mean something like signing Tony Clark, which he could do anytime. So I'd say it is still to early to tell what this team's lineup will be, and how much fun it will be to watch.
- That he used tact when he meant tack bugs the hell out of me. Doesn't he have someone to proof read?
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"So I'd say it is still too early..."
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"edited at the end of the day" !
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I make a comment in that Diary about the exact same obnoxious phenomenon.
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Sabean's eggcorn
Here you'll find Sabean's writer's faux pas, among many others:
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/76/tact/
So, one should go there if one wants to "slack one's thirst" for this sort of thing:
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/989/slack/
And I'm not a sponsor nor even a contributor to the site, so I have no "alterior motive":
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/961/alterior/
Neither am I "in high dungeon":
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/922/dungeon/
Merely amused by these malapropisms, "to name a view": http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/894/view/
matt25
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"For all intents and purposes."
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So I'm a jerk AND I'm just not very smart to boot.
Visualize: ::Me:: ::Gaping Hole:: <sees hole, falls in anyway>
It would have been kind of funny if I was joking, too....
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Well quoth, my *Friend*
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