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Relief?

Calpolyslocolor_tiny by CPGiant756 on

We all saw the stat about how we blew a lot of games last year that we were within a run or two.  So instead of everyone talking about what hitter to trade for I say we also need to look for a reliever to help out our bullpen cause just relying on Tyler Walker being back up is not going to solve the problem.

Jorge Julio is a righty reliever who is 29 years old (in Giants terms thats the mere age of 11).
Career 4.35 era, over his career he has averaged just about a strikeout per inning.
Last year he got off to a rough start with FLA, but then went to COL where in 52 innings he had a 5 to 2 K to BB ratio, an ERA of 3.93 and struck out 50 batters.  In 2006 his ERA was 4.23 with a 8 to 3 K to BB ratio.

Then we have 3 great relievers for the 7th and 8th inning in Julio, Hennessey and Walker.

I say 2 year deal worth 8 or 10 million plus a club option for the 3rd year.

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99 CAREER SAVES!!!!!!!!!!!11ein
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 23, 2008 12:06 AM PST   0 recs

Re: 99 CAREER SAVES!!!!!!!!!!!11ein
out of 132 opportunities, 75% save completion rate
Kevin Correia & Mike Krukow & Ozzie "The Wizard" Smith- Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Alumni

by CPGiant756 on Jan 23, 2008 12:21 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

HUmm...bay....bee?
Dude blows one in every four chances?

Sounds about right to keep us at our traditional level of disgust.

by Moggeee on Jan 23, 2008 12:31 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: HUmm...bay....bee?
i was trying to point out that he shouldn't be considered a closer possibility
Kevin Correia & Mike Krukow & Ozzie "The Wizard" Smith- Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Alumni

by CPGiant756 on Jan 23, 2008 12:38 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: HUmm...bay....bee?
On Closer Inspection, Brian might think he fits right in...

by Moggeee on Jan 23, 2008 12:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Nein , Nicht , Nyet.
Ex - D - Blank.
NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 23, 2008 6:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

P.S.
The instant I saw the title my mind started spelling "R - O - L..."  
NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 23, 2008 6:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: 99 CAREER SAVES!!!!!!!!!!!11ein
That's probably a little misleading, because he's spent some time as a middle reliever/set up man as well, which means he'll get credit for a blown save but holds are not included in his Save Ops.

In any case, Natto was just referring to the excitement by the Rockies announcers when they acquired JORGE JULIO!!!1!!! back in May because he had 99 CAREER SAVES!!!!!11!!!!11

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jan 23, 2008 1:11 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Jorge Julio reminds me a lot of Armando Benitez.  Hard throwing right-hander that came up with Baltimore, pitched with the Mets and Florida, and most importantly, is adept at blowing a nice lead.

In other words, "do not want."  Mostly because he really reminds me too much of Benitez.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by Anticon23 on Jan 23, 2008 12:24 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Are you Brian Sabean from a few months ago?</obligatory joke about BS rhetoric>
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 23, 2008 12:28 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Hey, somebody had to do it. I just took the hit this time.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 23, 2008 12:29 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
holy crap that's a bad idea.  relief pitching is priority #46 now anyway.
you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area

by nick on Jan 23, 2008 6:31 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
46?  Wow, it's moved up in priority, huh?

by em3 on Jan 23, 2008 7:41 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
I'm not an advocate of spending alot of money on relief pitching, but still, I don't think that's necessarily true. If pitching is going to be the strength of the team (and frankly I think ours is a little overrated) then it is concerning that our bullpen (which probably pitches some 30% of our innings) was by pretty much any statistical measurement the worst in the division last year. And I don't think "all the young guys will just naturally improve because they have a year more experience" is very logically sound (ironically, it's also inherently a very Sabean-esque theorem).

Since relievers of any age have a tendency toward wild performance swings, my philosophy is always bring as many cheap arms to the dance as possible, try not to marry yourself to much guaranteed money, and see what sticks.  

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jan 23, 2008 9:50 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
I agree.  But Jorge Julio isn't a cheap arm.  He just ought to be.
you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area

by nick on Jan 24, 2008 10:55 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
No thanks, if he came very cheap(~1M), he might be worth a look but he certainly won't so we should stay clear. We've got enough options for the bullpen, it only makes sense to spend decent if we're getting a clear upgrade.

by GiantFan on Jan 23, 2008 6:55 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
2 years at 8 or 10 big for someone who has been on 4 teams in the last 2 years? The same person who was traded for Byung-Hyun Kim?

I don't know if anyone throws a straighter high 90's fast ball than Julio...

How about we offer him a minor league deal for 400k (may be too high) and a spring training invite a la Russ Ortiz. I know it wont happen because someone will give him a couple million.

Speaking of Russ, outside of Yabu, do we have any veteran pitchers who have a chance of making the team out of spring?

by Fresburg on Jan 23, 2008 7:05 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Barry Zito.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Jan 23, 2008 8:46 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Did Orel Hershizer fix Zito's 86 mph fastball all of the sudden?

by Fresburg on Jan 23, 2008 9:19 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Jorge Julio is awful.

by em3 on Jan 23, 2008 7:40 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
maybe charlie hough can still huck it up there
thank god the patriots dont have the giants' first round pick too

by son of riles on Jan 23, 2008 8:57 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
ONLY clear upgrades wanted.  I'm betting you can get a 4.35 ERA out of any number of our middle relievers, plus a very good handful of our minor league callups.

DO NOT overspend on middle relief!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 23, 2008 8:58 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Im more comfortable with Messenger, Walker and Wilson. Forget Julio only at a ceap price.

Did someone say he throws a staightest fastball in the majors? Does he picth inside, or just try in nibble the outside corners? Cuz if not we should bring him in and give him F-Rod's old jersy.

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 23, 2008 9:45 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Not interested in Julio.  At any price.  

by out machine on Jan 23, 2008 10:16 AM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
With relief pitching, it's very possible to find guys for cheap that will come in and be a good to very good middle relief pitcher (or even closer).  Just off the top of my head, examples include Brendan Donnelly, Rudy Seanez, Joe Kennedy, Jason Isringhausen, (and even here with the Giants) Scott Eyre.  

Yes, finding relief pitching like this includes luck, but it shows that if you have a good eye for pitching (plus a little luck), then you don't have to spend a bunch of money for a top-rate bullpen.  

As for our current bullpen, we have a good, cheap start with Wilson, Hennessey and Walker.  Maybe Sadler pulls a Wilson next year.  Making it four good pitchers in the bullpen.  

I'm not sure what young guys with potential there are out there or veterans with a shot of surprising, but there are many, many better options than Jorge Julio.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Jan 23, 2008 12:08 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Yeah, middle relievers of Jorge Julio ilk are almost interchangeable, as harsh as that may sound.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 23, 2008 12:29 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
NO
Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Jan 23, 2008 1:58 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Hey groug, what do you think about the possibility of Nate Schierholtz playing third base?  Think he can do it?
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 23, 2008 3:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Gee, I'm just not sure!
Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Jan 23, 2008 9:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Three out of four ain't bad.

by sharksrog on Jan 23, 2008 5:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Relief?
Relying on Tyler Walker for backup makes a lot of sense.  The 1.26 ERA he had in his stint with us last year backs that statement up.  We need hitters far, far more than we do relievers.  Relief shouldn't be as terrible this year because we have Chulk, who is mediocre, Messenger, who was doing great for a while last season, Kline, who is mediocre, Hennesey, who is decent, Wilson, who is pretty good I'd say, and Walker, who seems to be back to health.  Our bullpen seems good enough for a team that isn't competing.  Adding a vet reliever makes no sense because we could be giving that extra bullpen spot to all the prospects we have in the lower levels to give them a taste of the majors.  And Jorge Julio sucks.  No thank you.

by boonitez on Jan 23, 2008 4:36 PM PST   0 recs

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