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Grrrrr

I was going to do my weekly mid-winter link dump - you know, the kind of post where I link to stuff like a hometown profile of Aaron Rowand or plug a celebration of San Jose State's upcoming baseball season  - but I was stopped by gale force stupidity. Apparently the team-specific MLB chats are where stupid questions breed like tribbles. From a recent White Sox chat:

What do you think about this: Joe Crede to the San Francisco Giants for Matt Cain and Jonathan Sanchez?

-- Rob, Wheaton, Ill.

Now, I was thinking a long time about  what the proper response to this would be. And, I'm sorry, but the correct answer is that the beat writer should have realized this question contributes as much to chicago.whitesox.mlb.com as would a Hellen Keller joke. Sure, Rob asked the question, but he doesn't deserve all of the blame.  I picture Rob typing the e-mail, putting a postage stamp in the disk drive, and getting tangled up in his monitor cord before he can click "send." He's probably still tangled up. He's suffered enough. No, it's the beat writer's fault. In a just world, his punishment would be that he'd live the rest of his life with a last name that means "pubic wig."

This burgeoning internet meme of e-mailing official team sites to see how they can turn their steaming crap into Matt Cain is driving me nuts. I knew the franchise was on hard times, but this makes me realize that the franchise is a league-wide joke. Without Barry Bonds, the Giants are now just a waste of young pitching. Other fans see that, and are mentally helping themselves to what little talent we have in an are-you-gonna-eat-that?-spirit.

So, screw you, baseball world. This is a terrible team, but we have something to watch, and you can't have any of it. This isn't the 2002 Devil Rays, where Randy Winn is the best hitt...wait, maybe it is. But instead of Tanyon Sturtze and Ryan Rupe, we have two of the best young pitchers in the game, and that means the world to us. You can't underestimate how much we're looking forward to watching Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum. So go pick over another carcass, you jackals.

Open Venting Thread. Vent about anything, Giants-related or otherwise. DRM, traffic jams, Canadians...anything. I'm all fired up now. Thanks, Rob.

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Patently ridiculous trade proposals from fans just does... not... get... old.

Crede for Cain would be a big enough joke.  Crede for Cain AND Sanchez?  Jeez Louise...

Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jan 18, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

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crede for sanchez is a borderline joke

by sam23 on Jan 18, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

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god help me, if i ever meet a man named Rob and he tells me he is from Wheaton, Ill. i will punch him in the face and walk away.

by peteisathug on Jan 18, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

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Maybe the right countermove is to flood these mailboxes with "What do you think of flipping Nick Swisher for Noah Lowry?"

by achiappanza on Jan 18, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

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I hate Scientology so very very much.

http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress

It's a video, and Tom Cruise is crazy.

Steve Kline: How okay is he, really? I would say he is pretty okay.

by groug on Jan 18, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

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Wow, that video is ALL kinds of crazy!

I particularly like his crazy laugh.  Someone asked me if I've ever seen one once, and I was like...  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 18, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

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Anything invented by the guy who wrote Battlefield Earth should be regarded as strictly fiction. Those who don't realize this deserve their dumb-ass belief structure.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM! / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Jan 18, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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I never understood why people couldn't watch a Tom Cruise movie because he "freaks them out".  I was always able to separate that crazy guy jumping on the couch from the character he was playing.  After seeing that.... he really freaks me out.  The guy's a fanatic.  Fanatics are scary.

BTW, if Sabes signs Pedro Feliz I'm gonna meet him on the street & slap him in the face.  What?

by ResDog on Jan 18, 2008 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?
Pedro's just tryin' to feed his fambly , man...
NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 18, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Why?
I know.
NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

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Why would anyone want to vent against the Disability Rights Movement?

by mxmob33 on Jan 18, 2008 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

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Don't be a smartass. You know he meant DSM as in Desmin Related Myopathy.
"They invented the All-Star game for Willie Mays" - Ted Williams

by Cookyman on Jan 18, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

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Which is crazy, because he said DRM.
"They invented the All-Star game for Willie Mays" - Ted Williams

by Cookyman on Jan 18, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

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Maybe we should throw in Sosa to balance it out. I totally agree with you. The league-wide perception of the Giants franchise is fucking ridiculous right now. And the ones to blame are still in charge. Sabean isn't even into his extension and he has all the appearances of a lame duck. Trading Cain might be the best thing for the organization (Disclaimer: I am not advocating this), but no one has any faith that the people in charge will get this right. Beane might be able to extract a healthy load of prospects in these trades, but I fear I will wake up one day to the headline "Giants send Cain to Kansas City for Teahan."

by Lincecum Cain Then Pray For Rain on Jan 18, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

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Grrr. Stay away from my Cain. And stay off my lawn, you whippersnappers!
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jan 18, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

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I'd like to vent about sea-floor hydrothermal activity.
"There's not enough bases out there to intentionally walk everybody you want to." - Grady Little

by leftymalo on Jan 18, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

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Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 18, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

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Yes, he was clever.  But I thought that were serious cat?
Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Jan 18, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

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Serious Cat is a cat of many emotions.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 18, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

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All of them very serious ones, I assume.
Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Jan 18, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

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Seriously.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 18, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

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As you can tell, I'm really paying attention in class right now.

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 18, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

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hahaha
Frandsen for 3B (til July 08)

by NeifiChicken on Jan 18, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

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Best!
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 19, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

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Even worse, the beat writer honestly believes Cain might be a little too much to ask for Joe freaking Crede.

by W8ingForATitle on Jan 18, 2008 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

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I really hope his was trying to be polite, and not lay into the guy who is participating.

Also he lumps Cain in with the likes of Shields, WTF?

by Adam @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 19, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

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Open Venting Thread. Vent about anything, Giants-related or otherwise. DRM, traffic jams, Canadians...anything. I'm all fired up now. Thanks, Rob.

Damn Candy-Corn.

"They invented the All-Star game for Willie Mays" - Ted Williams

by Cookyman on Jan 18, 2008 1:36 PM PST reply actions  

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In case the embedding didn't work.
"They invented the All-Star game for Willie Mays" - Ted Williams

by Cookyman on Jan 18, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

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I hate being an at-will employee.

I hate that the US Office 1) wasn't as good this year and 2) is no longer on TV to distract me from my crappy, at-will job

I hate Brian Sabean.  Honestly.  If it weren't for some DC witch-hunt inspiring sympathy, I'd have dreams where his ugly mug is centered inside a Firestone and I'm wearing steel-toed boots.

I hate any non-Giants fan who covets Matt Cain.  For that matter, I hate any regular Giants fan who covets Matt Cain.  His greatness is for me, and me alone.

More than anything, however, I HATE the fact that every night there is basketball on ESPN HD.  No offense to basketball fans, none at all.  But me, personally, I hate that crap.

But I love me some baseball.  And I want some.  Now.

by mjrboredom on Jan 18, 2008 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
I suggest you move to France. It takes two months to fire a person there. You'd also be the national baseball expert in your new homeland. Not a bad deal, huh?

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 18, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

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I hate how they keep releasing new versions of Maya, and that files saved in the newest version are incompatible with the earlier ones (unless I do some tedious Notepad editing), even though they only came out a year earlier. I can use Photoshop CS3-saved .psd files in Photoshop 7 files, so why can't I do that in Maya? Yeah, there's probably some software issue I don't know anything about, but I want things my way, dang it.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 18, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

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I'm with you on this one. I blame Autodesk
No longer proud Papa: SuperBAD Brad

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 18, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

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Do you still look for Maya under Alias in the Start Menu? Cause I sure do.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 18, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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All the time. But it helps that life practically revolves around Autodesk products. I lead a sad life.
No longer proud Papa: SuperBAD Brad

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 18, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

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"because of last season's back surgery, Crede's value remains uncertain and Cain or the Angels' Chone Figgins or Scot Shields probably are a little much to expect in return, at this point."

WHAT??

so cain=chone figgins OR scot shields.  but not both, apparently.  And Pedro Feliz, obviously, is worth an ace starter. OR he's worth chone figgins.

do they give 8-year-olds jobs as beat writers now?

To Rob from Wheaton, IL: Kill yourself.  That is all.

How about Mark Buehrle for Merkin Valdez?

you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 18, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

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Even lame-brained trade proposals like that are simply more consequence of letting the Rios trade idea linger in the public eye WAY TOO LONG. Had Sabean immediately knocked down the rumor and stated clearly and without reservation that the Rios trade was not even close and the Giants would never give up either young stud for so little (or at all!), then this sort of thing wouldn't happen. We are a laughingstock and Sabean a huge reason why.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 18, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

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It's crazy how ridiculous these proposals are getting. First the Inge for Lincecum one, and now this! Even after Sabean declared Caincecum off the market, too. It seems like these fans saw the Rios for Lincecum idea fall through and think, maybe if they offer something less than Rios it will get a trade done. Inge and Crede are not big improvements over Feliz, and Feliz is obviously not worth one of our young aces.

by raisingcain on Jan 18, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

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Well at least a thousand absurd rumors are better than one poorly-executed real trade.

by achiappanza on Jan 19, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

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This is the logical end of the "at least rowand is better than lincecum for rios" syndrome that Sabean appears to have been working us into for approximately 4 years.

We've gone past "at least this thing sabean did was better than what he almost did," and we've totally entered "at least sabean didn't do what insane people think he's capable of" territory.

Has it gotten this bad?

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM! / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2008 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

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I think it has. But the big difference vs. the GM's of the 70's is that it would only take one real good one to restore some faith.

by achiappanza on Jan 20, 2008 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

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and a bag of magic beans...

by Keith0909 on Jan 18, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

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Matt Cain and a horse for Kenny Williams' oldest daughter's hand in marriage.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Jan 18, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

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may we beat said horse?
Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 18, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
You sure as hell better kill it first.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM! / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Jan 18, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

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What if the horse is named Suzanne Selig?
Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 19, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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Then I guess it's already been beaten. Just let her be in that case. No need to do any more to the poor mare.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM! / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

A dead horse.
Resplendent with flossy toofuses.
NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 18, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Venting
Subject 1  I have ants parading across my living room right now.  I have gotten rid of them three times now.  But they just keep coming back.  As far as I can tell, they aren't after anything.  They are coming out of the floor on one side, parading across the room, and going into a wall near our kitchen.  Since we are moving in about a week or so, and our living room resembles a war zone, and I have gotten rid of them three times already, I have decided to let them be.  They can migrate all they want for all I care.  But geez, they could at least have the decency to hug the walls or something...

Subject 2  You know, it's really hard to become a teacher.  You essentially spend six months as an unpaid intern, while paying tuition and books and living expenses and such.  This is after six months of classes (the classes don't stop during the actual student teaching but there are less of them) and observations that are, of course, unpaid.  To get a credential one must teach two classes (two different classes) for six months while being evaluated by no less than three different people in thirteen different categories.  These categories are rated by a numberical system from 1-4 with four being the best.  To get a credential you can not have less than a 3 in each and every category.  Also, you must not get less than a B in any of the eight classes you take.  Also, you must put together an online portfolio detailing your growth in each of the thirteen categories of your evaluation.  You must provide two separate "artifacts" for each category and explain how you grew in that category over the program.  After getting a credential you must continue to go to school if you want to make more money (and you do).  And, of course, the job itself can be one of the highest stress jobs in the country.

All of this for a starting salary of around 40k a year (In California. It's less elsewhere).  

Subject 3  So I get financial aid checks every six months or so that are more than 5,000 dollars.  Right before I get this check, our bank account is usually in the negative.  Because the check is more than 5,000 dollars, I always have to wait more than a week before the bank will release that money.  This is terrible on a number of levels.  The worst, however, is that we get charged by the bank for being in the negative.  I have told them that we wouldn't be int he negative if we were allowed to, you know, actually get the money that we have deposited.  Today, the teller actually told me that it was for our own good because if the check ends up going back for some reason we would have to pay the money back.  I offered to do just that if such a case arose.  But, I guess I don't get to decide important things as what to do with my money...

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Jan 18, 2008 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Venting
I've also had an ant problem. What my parents do is create a solution of Borax mixed with sugar and hot water. The idea is that the ants bring some of the stuff back to the colony, which kills it from the inside. It seems more like a quick fix for us since we've had ants come back on occasion, but it may work better for you.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 18, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
You need a flame-thrower to properly deal with ants.

by xanthan on Jan 18, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

E , baby...
...there's your cue.
NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 18, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
Well, what I've done (three times) is vacuum them up and then spray their entry and exit points.  We have kids so I don't like dealing with poison very much.  When the trail doesn't go across our floor we use soapy water.  That kills them nicely and eliminates the scent trail.  But they just aren't going away this time.  I even mopped up after getting rid of them once.  

As for the borax, I think I'll just let them be.  We are moving so I really don't care about getting rid of the colony.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Jan 18, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
I generally stab each ant with a butter knife. It works like a charm.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 18, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
To get rid of ants, first I wash down the entire infested surface with soap and water. Then I make a mixture of cayenne pepper and water and dab it all around the infested area and any trails I see. They really hate the cayenne pepper, and they either die or don't come back.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 18, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
I must say, I tried the cayenne pepper trick just to see what would happen.  It's hilarious.  The ants will get to the pepper, stop, try a couple of inches over, stop, then turn around and head back the way they came.  

Combined with my previous knowledge of using soapy water I now have a completely poison free way of dealing with ants.

Thanks Baron!

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Jan 18, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
Ditching the poisonous insecticides was essential with two cats and an increasingly forgetful grandmother around the house. Last thing I need is for one of them to ingest the poison accidentially and rush to either the emergency vet or the emergency room for humans.

I got the cayenne pepper trick from a friend. Always happy to share!

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 18, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
I'll bet she shares the cayenne pepper with annoying males as well.
NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 18, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
Substantively, I agree entirely. But since you're going to be teaching, it's "less" rather than "fewer" when referring to something countable.
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on Jan 19, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Venting
Well, luckily I'm not going to be teaching English!
Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Jan 19, 2008 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

As for Cain and Lincecum
I'm starting to think we should trade them.  Trade them both for a lot of high upside talent.  

We are going to suck.  For a while.  The only hope, really, is to wait for our minor league talent to make it to the majors.  During this time, Lincecum and Cain will be running out their cheap years.  

Now, I know that watching them pitch is the only redeeming thing about this Giants team.  But we don't have to trade them right away.  But I'm of the mind that we might as well just get as much talent with MLB debut days between 2-4 years from now.  This way, we might suck really badly for a 2-4 years, but we will be really good after that period is over.

I don't know, maybe it's just the bitterness of this off-season talking, but that's where I'm at right now.  

Of course, when I say trade them away, I mean for alot more than Joe Crede or Alex Rios.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Jan 18, 2008 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

Re: As for Cain and Lincecum
I see what you're saying, but neither Cain nor (especially) Lincecum is as proven a commodity as a Dan Haren, which is the kind of pitcher that can get you a lot of young talent back.

Now, obviously, both Cain AND Lincecum have the potential to (probably) eclipse Haren in trade value in the very near future.

But I don't think they have yet. They're curiosities to a lot of other teams- big, exciting question marks.

That, and our GM is not Billy Beane.

And, finally, if they were both to be traded, I would renounce the Giants forever.

Still, I see the logic in your post. I really do.

***

Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jan 18, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: As for Cain and Lincecum
I would love to see what Beane could flip Cain and Lincecum.  

by Lincecum Cain Then Pray For Rain on Jan 18, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: As for Cain and Lincecum
Right.  Under Beane we'd get another year or two of blossoming, followed by contract extensions, then a decent judge of talent in a blockbuster trade.

Sabean couldn't pull it all off, unfortunately.

by achiappanza on Jan 19, 2008 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

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I hate more than anything right now that Nate Schierholtz is being blocked by freakin Dave Roberts who should be a baserunning coach.
Matt Cain, cleanup hitter or starting pitcher?

by cain1rstballothof on Jan 18, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

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I hate the the Giants haven't re-signed Pedro Feliz.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 18, 2008 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

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I hate it when I don't proof read my posts.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 18, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

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I'm excited about the Spartan's upcoming baseball season because I'm an incredible geek. It sucks that I'll miss the next two seasons not getting to work for the Spartan Daily News until I transfer for Fall 2009. I've dubbed this my summer of college baseball. A good friend has season tickets to Stanford baseball and she promised to take me along to some games. It's a good way to get ready for the draft. :)

In other news, why are other sports fans and the majority of people in sports media so retarded? Sabean makes some dumbass trades yes, and we just weathered those awful Lincecum trade rumors, but come on. I really wonder sometimes about these fans asking such idiotic questions, and the writers who go along with it. Do they really think they are plausible scenarios? Are the writers just humoring the peons? It boggles the mind.

As long as we're ranting about stuff, I hate banks and not having any money, I hate my math class because it's math and math is the bane of my existence, and I really hate being so sick I can get out of bed for about an hour before I feel so exhausted I can barely crawl back into bed.

I hate that it's taking so long to level up my stupid Lotad in Pokemon Pearl. I've been training that thing forever and the levels just go by so slowly. Stupid thing. Video games aren't supposed to make me angry.

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 18, 2008 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

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I would love to see every fake trade that got emailed in before they finally said, "You know what, I think Crede for Cain and Sanchez will be our fake trade of the week."

I'm guessing it was either the worst and put in as an insult to the fans or the most popular. I'm hoping it wasn't the most reasonable.

And video aren't supposed to make you angry. But then again, neither is baseball

Mike McBryde ... A Giants' prospect that won't kidnap and kill you.

WITFAC

by squirrel on Jan 19, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

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To add insult to injury, the writer of the question  probably knows it benefits the White Sox, but he's hoping that maybe all of us focus on W-L records.

by achiappanza on Jan 19, 2008 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

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I hate that Scott Hairston hit 85 homers against us last year, for two reasons.  One, he is Scott Hairston, scrub.  Two, it tricked the Padres (the team I have to watch 162 times a year) into thinking he could be a regularly-contributing outfielder.  Never mind that he actually can't hit (he fits in perfectly with the Friars).  His life-size cardboard cutout would play better defense than he does.

He may actually make San Diegans miss Terrmel "Benitez-killer" Sledge.

This is what I hate.  That, and Giants pitchers throwing him sliders.

by mlb22 on Jan 18, 2008 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

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I hate it when highlights of the "Immaculate Reception" are constantly played during the playoffs.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 18, 2008 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

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Right now, I hate being a Raider fan.  Who to cheer for?  A blizzard in New England!  Tuck rule my ass.

by ResDog on Jan 18, 2008 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

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I hate it when putos with leaf-blowers start working at 7:00 am on Saturday.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 18, 2008 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

Things that annoy me
Google employees. My workplace is surrounded on three sides by the Google metropolis, and they have managed to hire 15,000 of the most inept pedestrians in history. They routinely will walk right in front of a speeding car in a 35 mph or 45 mph zone, and stare at you quizzically as your ABS goes mad and you lay on the horn. They have this seven-person "conference bike" which they proudly ride down Shoreline at rush hour, making all of four miles an hour as they fully block a lane. If you spot a colorful bicycle with a flag on top, just park and wait it out, because they will ride anywhere, on any surface, at any direction, at any time.

My coworkers and I have contests for who can spot the most ridiculous Google employee pedestrian behavior. My best was the trio of engineers that was wandering in small circles in the center of the intersection of Amphitheatre and Rengstorff, shifting to impede whatever traffic might approach. A coworker of mine, however, won the trophy when he encountered a Google engineer walking the wrong way down the Amphitheatre offramp. Like she was attempting to merge on to 101 backwards.

The other day I was just a bit late for a left-turn arrow in a nasty intersection, and I sat glumly through the interminable cycle. Completely unintentionally I mused, "Gosh, if I was only a Google employee, I could just run this light."

They're beginning to make me believe.

Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)

by antinous on Jan 18, 2008 3:51 PM PST reply actions  

wait.. you're a driver?
Pardon my French, but suck it, car boy.

Are you a New Yorker who knows how to walk?  Please, have it it.  The idiots in the south bay wouldn't know how to walk safely across an empty intersection on the green if an instruction manual downloaded itself directly into their slow-moving brains.  They think 'sidewalk' is from a Late Gothic word meaning 'immovably occupy space'.  I hate them.  They get in my way.  They're dumb.  They annoy me.

But you, you lackwits in cars, you are a hundred times worse.  You have all the cluelessness of the pedestrians, but you compund it.  You are talking on your blackberry while at the wheel of a four-ton SUV with bad brakes as you shove leftover biscotti down your piehole while turning right on red through the crowds gamely exiting the Caltrain.  We come from other cities, cities in which some few know how to walk, drive and take public transit.  You know it.  It rankles your shallow little souls.  So you try to kill us.

No, here I'll take 15,000 more Google pedestrians before I take one more of you.

Jerk.

by wcw on Jan 18, 2008 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: wait.. you're a driver?
Fantastic response. :)

I drive a 2580 pound Honda Civic and live next to the train station in Menlo Park, so I use Caltrain for many destinations, but not the work/school/gym cycle. Caltrain works for many things, but it's impossible to keep my schedule with anything but a car. (The last bus that serves De Anza leaves at 8:00 pm. I'm done at 9:00.)

Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)

by antinous on Jan 19, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Things that are pissing me off
During an improv show today, my friend, who is half Japanese, made a joke during a game called "back in my day".  She said, in an old lady voice, "back in my day, we didn't have homeless people.  Everybody was rich and white like god intended".  Not only is it a Daniel Tosh joke originally, the staff immediately stopped the show and she may be suspended for being "racist".  That's just ridiculous.

I hate scholarship packets that silently judge you for having a sub 3.5 GPA.

I hate that my English teacher has to fall asleep during class because he is too exhausted from filling out buckets of asinine paperwork because he is a new teacher.

I am pissed off that there is no baseball to watch.  Damnit, I hate football and baseball and soccer and all the other silly sports.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 18, 2008 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Things that are pissing me off
I like your last two sentences- being a Giants fan has clearly turned baseball into a love/hate relationship for you.
***

Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jan 18, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
I hate Lou Seal. Is he some sort of San Francisco-transvestive joke? If there was ever a season to resurrect Krazy Krab, it's 2008. I'm buying tickets to "D" battery day!

I hate that the Giants didn't re-sign Will Clark.

I hate the Lakers.

"Candlestick made me a man." - Will Clark

by MeSoKrabby on Jan 18, 2008 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
I hate:
Empty Alcohol Bottles
Slow Sports Days
Mayonaise
Sabean inability to trade vetrens for prospects at the right time
When A's fans bring up '89
Wet Socks
Empty Refridgerators
Zito 2008=20 wins Mark My Words 12/18/07

by ACgiant87 on Jan 18, 2008 5:27 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
How about Crede of a BAG-O-DOUCHE!!!

by djperalta on Jan 18, 2008 5:50 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
The beat writer's name, by the way, is Scott Merkin. Heh, heh.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz

by lyricalkiller on Jan 18, 2008 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
Also, I hate lamp.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz

by lyricalkiller on Jan 18, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
Yeah, Grant made a joke about that.

It's not enough punishment for this email.

Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Jan 18, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
Sheesh, so he did. What's wrong with me?
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz

by lyricalkiller on Jan 18, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
I Hate:
Osama bin Laden
Michael Moore
Hippies
Religious Zealots
TJ Rogers
John Daane
The Semiconductor Industry
The Los Angeles Dodgers
The Denver Broncos
Everything about New England
Everything about Southern California
Everything about New York
Red Onions on the sandwiches in the micro-kitchens at Google.

by GaryEdmundCarter on Jan 18, 2008 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
your top should be...
dodgers
everything in new england
dodgers
stupid people who write questions to white sox chat
stupid people who write questions to tigers chat
the beat writer to the white sox chat
the beat writer to the tigers chat
dodgers
did i say the Dodgers?
I forgot....
THE DAMN DODGERS
Kevin Correia & Mike Krukow & Ozzie "The Wizard" Smith- Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Alumni

by CPGiant756 on Jan 19, 2008 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
Aybar
Pena
Phelps
Bozied

There are plenty more young players that could have been had for cheap in the last year. The Giants keep passing on them. Shelton will be on this list soon... we signed Aaron Rowand. And we still have Durham, Roberts, Winn, Aurilia, Molina, and Vizquel. An old, (mostly) crappy nucleus. Thanks for the opportunity to vent.

How exciting would a lineup of

Davis CF
Lewis LF
Aybar 3B
Wily Mo Pena RF
Shelton or Phelps 1B
Molina C
Frandsen 2B
Vizquel I guess SS

be? With Schierholtz getting 400 AB's as a 3rd 1/2 outfielder, and Ortmeier backing up in the OF and at first? Velez in the infield? The team might win 70 games, but, damnit, the games would be worth watching!

Southern California: Water thieves and Dodgers fans.

by jasomack on Jan 18, 2008 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
That might be the worst team in the history of baseball. Your goal is to get the number one pick in the draft, isn't it??
Hillary: Will cry for votes

by rxmeister on Jan 18, 2008 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
Rob is probably the same guy as that joker Bob from the Tigers Chat.

by kingofthacove on Jan 18, 2008 6:23 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
This far.  THIS frickin far guys & gals and I'm the first one to say it.

I fucking hate the Dodgers.(1)

(1)first ever addendum: I LOVE Ned Colletti!

vulgarity was needed.

I hate people who need a new paragraph for one sentence.

I hate Rich Aurilia's 4.5 million dollar salary.  I loathe Ray Durham's 7.5.  I hate centerfielders, not all, just our surplus of eight.  I hate that even spring won't make me delusional enough to think the Giants have a shot at contending this year for the first time in over a decade.  I hate that we'll more than likely not have one player in the opening day lineup under the age of 30 in what is supposed to be a rebuilding year.

I hate everybody driving in a 30 mile radius of me.  It's like they picked the same 50 numbnuts to surround me on the road throughout my life until they cause my early death.

by ResDog on Jan 18, 2008 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
In case there wasn't enough outrage in this thread:

"Let's make the conservative assumption that Hughes pitches at the level of a number three starter – akin to the 2007 version of the Cubs' Rich Hill, or the Giants' Matt Cain – for each of the next six years."
- Vince Gennaro

by tamdrik @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 18, 2008 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

I hate sitcoms.
Isn't the joke funny enough to stand on its own? Why do the fuckwits think we're so idiotic that we need to be told that it's funny through the cutting - edge technological awe and majesty of canned laughter?

(Maybe because it's not , Vic?)

I hate when I answer myself. Just another of those indicators , dontchaknow.

NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 18, 2008 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

I will add that I hate most "comedians"
I could hear an entire two-hour Dane Cook routine and not laugh once.

I could call my friend Charles and he'd have me cracking up within five minutes.

Hell, this site is infinitely more amusing, and none of us are getting paid obscenely just to be funny.

Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jan 19, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: I hate most "comedians"
On the other hand, Dane Cook is a comedian in the same way that I'm an MRI machine, and he's funny in the same way that I'm tall.

Which is to say, not remotely.

But yeah, there are verrry few talented stand up comedians. Eddie Izzard is the only one who really comes to mind straight off the top of my head.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM! / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: I hate sitcoms.
The persistence of the "two-camera, laugh track" half hour sitcom anywhere other than The Disney Channel in today's world is pretty astounding.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM! / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

I just got the 3 Red Rings of Death on my xBox 360.

I hate this.

The rally pumpkin guy, round and full of seeds; unlike the Giants.

by jtoj on Jan 18, 2008 10:14 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
Wow. I'm really an optimistic and upbeat guy, but I hate so many things.

I hate check-out signs that say "10 items of less."

I hate drivers who think they own the road (while I'm bicycling).

I hate bicyclists who think they own the road (while I'm driving).

I hate that everyone assumes the Big Bang Theory is proven science, when in fact there are quite reasonable, scientific theories that operate under substantially different premises.

I hate the shortsigtedness of our political establishment.

I hate that Vegas cracks down so hard on card counters these days.

I hate people who have lazy, lame-ass arguments in support of political positions I hold.

I hate the ongoing Barry Hate-A-Thon.

I hate that my summer softball team loses to the same team in the 2nd round of the playoffs every friggin' year.

I hate that my newfangled computer won't let me play rogue.

I hate that our management is so incompetent that they've snuffed out the last vestiges of my youthful hope that next year will be better.

I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on Jan 19, 2008 12:16 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
I wish i had a stick that could hit stupid people in Illinois with, my life would be so much better.

Also one that would hit the stupid beat writers for the white sox and tigers

Kevin Correia & Mike Krukow & Ozzie "The Wizard" Smith- Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Alumni

by CPGiant756 on Jan 19, 2008 1:01 AM PST reply actions  

Brad Hennessey Signs 1 Year Deal with Giants
What do you guys think of this? At least he'll give some competition to Brian Wilson this spring. I'm not a huge fan of Brad Hennessey, but he'll do for now I guess.
Go see my Giants blog at http://www.michaelnewjr.com

by Mike New on Jan 19, 2008 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
Cammie Blackstone
I hope we find out someday that Jeff Kent did steroids

by lincysgiants on Jan 19, 2008 3:29 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
I Hate the CBS NFL Pregame show. Why did you leave FOX J.B.? WHY?
Noah Lowry. He's like Kirk Rueter, but prettier.

by established1908 on Jan 20, 2008 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
What do you think about this, Rob?  Ray Durham to the White Sox for Josh Fields and Nick Swisher.

I agree on Cammie Blackstone.

by jc2125 on Jan 20, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Grrrrr
go to wikipedia and look up scientology and see all the fun things youll find...haha
thank god the patriots dont have the giants' first round pick too

by son of riles on Jan 22, 2008 8:13 AM PST reply actions  

continuing the "i hate" strand
why doesnt someone start a "things i hate" diary so we can really purge our pathos?
thank god the patriots dont have the giants' first round pick too

by son of riles on Jan 22, 2008 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

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