DrB's 2008 Giants Top 50 Prospects
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Lots of new faces this year. Overall, our farm system is much younger and, I think, deeper and better than in recent memory. Most of the high ceiling talent is in the lowest levels of the minors, but is also very young in age.
I had to leave off a lot of names that would have made it easily in prior years, but just ran out of room this year. I listed those in a postscript honorable mention.
It was so hard to put a value on perennially injured or underperforming players like Eddy M-E that I created a separate postscript for them.
I also added P.S. for a few DSL prospects who caught my eye even though it's probably premature to list them in a Top Prospects list.
What do you think?
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Re: DrB's 2008 Giants Top 50 Prospects
Three things.
Could we not call Villalona the Big V? please?
I'm glad to see you ranked Fairley so high.
lastly, who will catch and who will DH/1B at CT next year? and Why does Pablo look like the Dominican Dmitri Young?
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 14, 2008 11:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2008 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 15, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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If he angers me in some way, however, I will have no problem calling him "The Big Vajayjay".
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 15, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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And with Villalona, they are especially lazy. I mean, the guy's first name is ANGEL. It might be a little played out, but if you can't do something half-decent with Angel as a starting point, well that's just too bad.
Personally, though, I'm awfully partial to "Angel Villalong-ball." I forget who made it up, but I think it's freaking genius. And catchy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 15, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I have to say that I'm not sure Fairley is as "raw" as people constantly insist. He was a High School All American last year virtually unanimously with tremendous numbers. And scouts didn't necessarily call him raw before the draft, they just noted he hadn't taken part in all the usual High School showcases. I think he may be falling victim to a stereotype that if you're not on the showcase circuit, you can't possibly be polished or accomplished or whatever the hell they want to call it. If you ain't on the "professional amateur" show pony circus, you must be toolsy and raw. I am mentally showering the perpetrators of such stereotypes with contempt. I wave my privates in their general direction.
by Roger on Jan 15, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger
by Lyle on Jan 16, 2008 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by NearestNorwich on Jan 15, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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You seem to be suggesting his fan base call themselves the "A.V. Club."
by multiphasic on Jan 16, 2008 7:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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- I think that you are selling Edlefsen, Pill and Snyder a bit short, especially ranking them behind relative unknown late round picks such as Brewer, Cranston, Bond and Egart.
- I'd definitely rank Matos ahead of Anderson.
- I'd Move Cowart and McKae down a few steps
- I'd move Copeland ahead of Richardson...though I really like Richardson.
- I'd find a spot for Rohlinger at the back end of the list...I'd probably bump off one of the S-K relievers for him.
by Keenlow on Jan 15, 2008 12:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Also, its interesting to omit people from the top 50 because of injuries, a different strategy than I would have taken, especially because theres a lot of good potential on the injury list.
by Keenlow on Jan 15, 2008 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Keenlow on Jan 15, 2008 1:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bocock and McBryde
Bocock and Timpner were two players who I really struggled with. I thought I might catch some flack for leaving them off the Top 50. To me, they are both polished players who could probably play in the field for the Giants right now, but will also probably never hit enough to be even average players.
Every time I look at Brian Bocock's stats, the first comp that pops into my head is Johnnie Lemaster. That right there was enough to keep him off my list.
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 15, 2008 7:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Bocock and McBryde
Timpner's the opposite, but I think he has become a somewhat underrated prospect. His breakthrough wasn't all that different from Bowker's. I can see him becoming a David DeJesus-type player.
by Evan on Jan 15, 2008 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker vs Timpner
.523 for CT.
Timpner- SLG%.395 for Fresno.
Those don't look very similar to me.
IMO, Joaquin and Bucardo are about 10X as likely to be impact pitchers in MLB than McBryde has of even getting a cup-o-coffee.
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 15, 2008 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Bowker vs Timpner
You're giving 10 to 1? I'll take that bet. Great arms are more likely to burn out than not, alas.
by Evan on Jan 15, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Bowker vs Timpner
Giants have a good track record developing arms and McBryde seems like the longest of longshots right now. Joaquin, in particular, is a special talent who I think is going to breakout big time this year.
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 15, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by RichH on Jan 15, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 16, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Made good use of his short stint in AAA ball.
by RichH on Jan 17, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Jan 17, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I think he was an 18 year old and he's been advancing slower than molasses. I don't recall exactly, but I have to assume there was worry over how much he was asking for but the Giants found the right price to get him to sign.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 21, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Also, it is mildly frustrating that Sickels has waited to do the Giants prospect list until the. very. last. one! I guess some team had to be last.
Thanks for the presenting Your detailed list. Who needs that John Sickels guy anyhow?
by thatdog on Jan 15, 2008 3:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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- You and I differ on ceiling vs. attainment (it appears I'm the odd one); I give a bit more weight to likelihood of making the majors and being a useful player. Given that, I'm surprised that you rank Nate above MadBum. You seem to buy in to the general hype about Madison having a fantastic ceiling. You and I both are huge Nate fans, but even I don't think that he's got a ceiling like the one described for Bumgarner. Now, I would rank MB even lower than you because I think he's sightly unlikely to reach that ceiling. So did you slightly take this into account, or do you believe Nate is an All-Star in the making?
- I was very pleased to see D'Alessio, Witter, and Downs among your top 40. I'd put them a bit higher, but the power-starved 2008 Giants have warped my view of the first two. And I'm just excited generally about Matt Downs.
- Pereira is a great guy by all accounts, but I think I'd rate Valdez, Romo, Matos, Sadler, and Rodriguez ahead of him. What sets him above those guys in your mind?
- Keeping the rehab/recovery guys out of the list was a brilliant idea. And I like the idea of the Honorable Mention list.
by Lyle on Jan 15, 2008 7:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Romo and Wilmin would go above Pereira IMO, but I just don't get why people are clinging to Merkin as a prospect anymore. Though clinging to merkin is just a bad idea to begin with. Matos is climbing since great back to back years in 2006 and 2007. Since Pereira is closer to the majors than all these dudes, I think that's why he ranks higher. If we're talking talent/stuff, then Romo, Wilmin, and Matos outrank Pereira.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 15, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Call it the Erick Threets clause for relievers -- guys with great stuff but lousy control -- that keeps me interested in Sadler.
by xanthan on Jan 15, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I am not totally unbiased of course :-)
I'm pretty much in the "Any Young Guy with a Bat Camp" . While a small sample size in short season "A", the numbers have stayed somewhat consistant, if not improved since his last year in college.
by nvsfg on Jan 15, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by RichH on Jan 15, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: DrB's 2008 Giants Top 50 Prospects
2005 Alabama 21 2 0 5.76 16 29.2 37 22 19 6 13 33 2 0 11.22 1.82 3.94 10.01 1.69 --
Batting Statistics
Year Team Lg Age Org. Level
2004 Alabama 20 16 27 4 6 2 0 0 5 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 1 .222 .276 .296 572
I'm posting 2004 and 2005 here as well in order make the point that he's yet to have full season batting. He was a pitcher before that. Send him straight to AA I say, let's see what we've got
by Smotheredinhugs on Jan 15, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 15, 2008 9:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by rotorueter on Jan 15, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 15, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 15, 2008 9:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: DrB's 2008 Giants Top 50 Prospects
Most lists of Giants prospects have Emmanuel Burriss and/or Eugenio Velez in the top 10, and I thought you showed admirable restraint in eliminating both from your own top 10.
No two people are going to agree on the ranking of ALL 50 players (or even those who DIDN'T make the top 50), but I thought you did an outstanding job.
I often disagree with you on various matters, but your Giants knowledge is indeed excellent -- as you showed here.
by sharksrog on Jan 15, 2008 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 16, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by son of riles on Jan 15, 2008 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Omission
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 15, 2008 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
man...
by kenshin1 on Jan 15, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: man...
I think he's under-graded Snyder and Burriss who both got straight C's. I think Bumgarner should be a B instead of a B-. I think he graded Velez high at a B-, too.
by xanthan on Jan 15, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 15, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: man...
by Smotheredinhugs on Jan 15, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: man...
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 16, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: man...
Grade A is for the elite.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to have successful careers.
Grade C prospects are the most common type, usually with a wart or three or well away from the major leagues at present.
Last year the Giants had six B- or better prospects, so this year's eight represents a 33% improvement.
The six were:
Tim Lincecum A- (I lobbied hard for an A for Tim, but after initially giving him an A, John downgraded him to an A- based on control and a high number of pitches thrown in the minors).
Jonathan Sanchez B
Manny Burriss, Kevin Frandsen, Eddy Martinez-Esteve and Billy Sadler B-
Interestingly, all but Lincecum and perhaps Frandsen hurt their stock in 2007.
by sharksrog on Jan 17, 2008 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: man...
I really don't like what they've done with him.
by Anticon23 on Jan 17, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I don't think his arm will take being overused out of the pen, and I don't think his control will take being underused. I think he would do best if the Giants pitched him about every other day in short relief.
But I'm really merely making an educated guess (which at least is a step up from my usual silly wild-ass guess).
by sharksrog on Jan 17, 2008 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Anticon23 on Jan 18, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Yeah, seems like most prospects hurt themselves. But then, that kind of makes sense too, I recall a post by Lefty Malo about how in any farm system, there's typically two good players and two average players (or something like that) eventually out of the bunch. Thus if you have 6-8 who are considered good, at least half of them would have to hurt their stock for that to come true (2/2) and maybe 1-2 more, because there might be 1-2 who surprises from below.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 21, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Omission
by boonitez on Jan 15, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fairley
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 15, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Fairley
by boonitez on Jan 15, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Revere was mostly a $$$ pick
by awesomer on Jan 15, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Revere was mostly a $$$ pick
by xanthan on Jan 15, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Behemoth
by antinous on Jan 15, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: DrB's 2008 Giants Top 50 Prospects
by son of riles on Jan 15, 2008 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Jan 15, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Smotheredinhugs on Jan 15, 2008 4:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Smotheredinhugs on Jan 15, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I like Turpen and Paterson. Those two are a very interesting story.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 15, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Smotheredinhugs on Jan 15, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crowded
I agree that Corona, Turpin and Paterson are interesting prospects who could all be a lot higher on the list next year. Part of the problem ranking them this year is they got a late start due to the college playoffs and WS.
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 15, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Crowded
by sharksrog on Jan 16, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Dan from NM on Jan 15, 2008 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Solid
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 15, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I gotta say, I like your list, too. You certainly give Nate more credit than most (deservedly so), and have good opinions on a lot of the others. We're definitely a lot closer on the ceiling vs. reality scale than some around here.
I will admit openly that I am putting Alderson ahead of Bumgarner on the SFDugout list. For me, it's not about those five innings, but it's Bumgarner's throwing style. He's got a curve, sure, but his arm slot is low enough that I worry about his ability to consistently maintain it for the pitch to be effective. A lot won't be known until he's seen in the pros, but that was enough difference for me.
I do think you're underrating guys like Snyder and Pucetas. Snyder has a good mix of pitches, and is effective with them. Pucetas doesn't have 'stuff', but he may be one of the hardest workers in the minor leagues. I wouldn't hold them staying in Augusta all year against them, especially if one or both end up in CT this year, as was hinted at the end of the minor league season.
I would also disagree with Schoop, Jose Valdez and Hinshaw being so high. You make good points on Schoop's struggles...so why so high? Even if he's young, the hitting so far is very bad. I get that Valdez is a ceiling pick, but I haven't seen enough glimpses of him putting the package together to think too much of him. And Hinshaw? With that control? Really?
All that said, our lists have a lot of similarities. We have only one guy at the same ranking (#45 Dan Otero), but quite a few who are just one or two spots away from each other. You do have 11 players on your list that aren't on mind (the majority of which occur in #37 and higher, so it's not a surprise), but I won't say who until I'm further down releasing the SFDugout list.
Thank you for sharing, though. It was a great read!
by BruteSentiment on Jan 16, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by RichH on Jan 16, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 16, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by multiphasic on Jan 16, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by RichH on Jan 16, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 16, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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i still havent given up on Sadler though...rest of your list is interesting, esp. Wilmin R. and Jose Valdez- i didnt know they were creeping up on the list..maybe one of them will be this year's H. Sosa...
by slojoe on Jan 16, 2008 3:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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