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The only one?

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I guess I'm still alone in hoping for a Petey Feliz return to 3B.  I was very excited to see the Rolen/Glaus thingy, because neither of them and their contracts were going to be the solution.  Pete on a 2 year/12 Million deal is A OK with me.  Unless Sabean's going to throw some pitching somewhere for a better, long term solution.

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Re: The only one?
I am fine with the return of Happy Pete at such a price too!  I would prefer the second year be a year that must vest but I think that is unlikely.

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 1:28 PM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I would rather have had Feliz  instead of Omar ( about contract  size your talking about here).  Yes I know the Dreamy is Gawd camp it running to their garages for the flame throwers but that facts are Dreamy is 41 playing a very demanding position.  I think the odds of him being a productive MLB player for more then 450 innings after All Star break `09 are much smaller then Feliz meeting the same criteria. Add to that  a lesser contract signed great glove light bat Everrett  this off season.  

But Omar is here now the Giants need to make 3rd a position that could ( in theory) be filled by the same player post All Star `09 or that player might be able to be turned for ones that can be.  The alternative is no fall back position for either left side post A.S. `09. To me having both Omar & Feliz is a lesser version of trading for a closer right now.

by daveinexile on Jan 12, 2008 1:57 PM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
That was a sound line of thought 20 years ago.  Fact is, more and more players in modern times can remain relatively productive even past that age, and a player like Vizquel, who's basically a physical freak of nature, is a much safer bet at this age than he used to be.  With Feliz, we know what to expect, and we know it's going to be sub-average.  Signing him just feels like a concession.  What fun is conceding?

by ololo3 on Jan 12, 2008 4:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
May be 35, but not so much 41. I don't think there are that man more guys playing into their 40's today than historically. Even if there are, doubling or tripling the historical levels of 40 year old players still leaves them in the extreme minority.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 12, 2008 4:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Was  sound?  Be interesting to see you prove why it is unsound.  

  I agree training regiemes allow productivity longer but you talking about a player that will 42 at the time in question. That's 7 years ( conservatively)  past peak. Sure every generation has its freaks.  For example Frank Robinson was the only 40+ year old I ever saw before Barry that could still turn on an inside major league fastball.  It happens  but not often.  What makes you think Omar is one of these type freaks?

by daveinexile on Jan 12, 2008 5:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Omar has been one of the best defensive players in Baseball history at a position that tyically fields the atheletes in the best physical shape.  Omar is now in his 40's and has yet to show much decline (I mean, he's still winning gold gloves), which would indicate that he'll be a player who can continue to be great, or at least really good, at an older age than most other players.  All I know is that I'd much rather have a 40 year old Omar than a 23 year old Pedro.  Pedro sucks at any age.

by ololo3 on Jan 13, 2008 8:32 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I see a lot of paste tense verbs here when touting Omar. The Gold glove reference is just silly. Look at the difference in defense stats between Omar & Feliz over  their commentaries durring the last 3 years. Who has been creating a wider gap over others and who's gap is shrinking?  The question is not which player would have better career.  The question is which player will be most likely to have something measurable to offer a MLB post All Star `09.  I notice you slipped and slide around that one.

At the time in question Feliz will be in his mid 30's. He has already played several positions so he can go the supper sub route rather easily. Omar is an H.O.F guy. I can't see how he isn't. He will be 42 at the time in question. What facts, or logic, make you think ( not feel) Omar will have 450 productive MLB innings in him post A.S. `09?

by daveinexile on Jan 13, 2008 10:37 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
The Giants will not contend in 2008. Why sign a guy like Feliz to help us NOT contend?
"I'd take pleasure in gutting you boy" Oh and ignore the spelling. I do.....

by someguynamedg on Jan 12, 2008 3:02 PM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
So that our young developing pitching staff can still benifit from the best left side of infield defense in all of baseball.

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 3:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Yeah, lets bring Snow out of retirement too, and Pokey Reese is still floating around somewhere.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 12, 2008 3:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
One thing we both know is that Sabean is not going to start 2008 with just Frandsen and Aurilia as his 3B options.  Someone that can as Sabean says "contribute right away" is going to be added.  It is also pretty clear that Sabean does not think much of the non Feliz free agent options (and frankly neither do I).  So, of the options that remain, re-signing Feliz is the least bad.  Trading young talent for someone marginally (if at all better) is the worst option by far.

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 3:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Why do we know this? Sabean's position on Feliz's third year indicates that he's at least prepared to go forward with Frandsen at third base.

And, due to the draft pick, I'd say that re-signing Feliz is far from the least bad choice.

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by Bhaakon on Jan 12, 2008 4:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
agreed that this is the best option...sign ensberg or mcphersen and get the sandwich pick from feliz leaving...resigning feliz to a 1 year deal with a vesting option isnt the worst option, however

by Mike on Jan 12, 2008 4:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Sabean has shown zero interest in Ensberg and only briefly showed modest interest in McPherson.  It is clear to me that Sabean thinks Pedro's defense is worth more then whatever modest offensive improvements either of these two might offer.  Frankly, I am not sure Sabean is not right.  I would take a flyer on McPherson if he could be had for one year and $1M but anything more in my judgement would be a mistake.  McPherson looks very much to me like just another AAAA player with no more future then Niekro or Linden have shown to have.

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 4:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Ensberg would be more than a modest improvement on offense. I think you owe him an apology.
He plays very solid defense, as well. Maybe not Feliz (best in the league defense), but very good.
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by jasomack on Jan 12, 2008 5:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Houston didn't seem to think much of Ensberg and neither did San Diego.  Nobody else seems to think much of him either.  he ain't signed and I am not hearing any talk about anyone that is interested.  My believe is that he is damaged goods and nobody believes he will ever be the hitter he was again.

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 5:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
So you're saying we might be able to get him?

I don't care what Houston or San Diego did. It sounds to me like we can get him cheap, and that he'd be a great bargain if he can return to form. He still has pop, he's still patient at the plate, and I haven't seen his '07 defensive stats (I know before that he was great) but I'm pretty sure he can still field the position. If Ensberg returns to form he can be a solid piece for this team for the next few years. We already know what we get with Feliz, and it isn't pretty.

Ensberg seems to be the best option out there. He'll likely be cheaper, AND we'll get a pick out of it (letting Feliz go).

Southern California: Water thieves and Dodgers fans.

by jasomack on Jan 12, 2008 8:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
can he hit a curveball?  or look like he has a chance to hit a curveball when he swings?  ill take a couple less amazing defensive plays if the answer is yes to either of those.  sabean must know garlic fries sales will soar if he brings pedro back. (imagine being able to feel comfortable leaving your seat for the restroom or snack bar in ANY or EVERY inning without fear of missing a good at bat...amazing)

by sam23 on Jan 12, 2008 11:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
To me Feliz plus keeping the pitcher(s) it would take to trade for the likes of Teahan, Sanchez, or Hall is a better choice then any from this group and a supplemental draft choice.  Most everyone here seems to way overvalue this supplemental draft choice and way undervalue Feliz's defense and the value of the pitching we would have to give up to get someone from this group.

Personally I would be fine with just going with Frandsen and Aurilia but I don't for a moment believe Sabean would and I am suprised to hear you say you think he might.  Yes, we won't be giving Feliz 3 years, but it won't end up taking 3 years so how does this matter?

I would also prefer a salary dump for salary dump short term solution like Roberts for Crede or Roberts and Autilia for Inge but I don't see Sabean doing this either.  Brain just seems to overvalue Roberts and thus has no interest in moving him.

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 4:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
The team is going to have to trade pitchers for hitters at some point, there simply isn't enough talent in the system to rebuild the lineup internally. I don't see why 3B is a bad spot to do it. Frankly, given the dearth of 3B's in the farm system, it actually seem like the ideal position to invest some pitching talent in a long term upgrade. Whether that upgrade is available is another question, but signing Feliz to a multi-year deal would likely obstruct possible future deals.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 12, 2008 4:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Trading pitching for middle of the order bats I would have no problem with if the value was equal.  But trading pitching for non middle of the order bats seems pointless to me.  We have plenty of non middle of the order bats.

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 4:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Bill Hall = middle of the order bat.
Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 12, 2008 8:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Only in the same way Randy Winn or Aaron Rowand  is a middle of the order hitter.  You get away with one such pretender in the middle of your order but not two or three.  This is the problem with the Giants lineup as it is currently constructed and chasing the likes of Hall just fills another lineup spot with another non answer.

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 9:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
plus the brew crew only want to trade hall if he doesnt want to move back to third.   why would he want to move to third for us and not them?

by sam23 on Jan 12, 2008 11:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I'm skeptical of the Giants' ability to get a middle of the order bat without giving up Lincecum or Cain.  Unless they trade for a prospect who turns into a middle of the order back, but Sabean has said that he doesn't want guys who he can't plug into the lineup immediately, and I don't really trust the Giants ability to evaluate hitting prospects. Therefore, I say take what you can get. A third base #2/5 hitter whose under the team's control for 4+ seasons would be part of the solution.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 12, 2008 8:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Hall is not even a 5 hitter.  He is a 2 or 6 hitter and we have plenty of these.  Why be impatient?  Wait for the opportunities for middle of the order hitters that will emerge as time marches on a cash in our trade chips then.  

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 9:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
  1. Was respeonding to yo, not the Bill hall poster (notice how my post wasn't indented?)
  2. Hall was significantly better than a 6 hitter in two of the last three seasons. His 2007 is troubling, but I don't see how the Giants would find a young  3B more likely to legitimately bat in the middle of the order without giving up Cain or Lincecum.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 12, 2008 9:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
3) Drinking and posting don't mix.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 12, 2008 9:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
bill hall>ray durham.  he would be the best number 5 hitter we've had in some time.  on a very good team he hits 2 or 6 but we cant just wait for legit 3 and 4 hitters to fall into our lap, it wont happen.  at least not for 3 more years when villalona may be ready.

by sam23 on Jan 13, 2008 10:00 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
In 06 he had 35 homers.  Yeah, you're right.  Hell, he might even be an 8th hitter. But he's still 28 and still has some time to get a lot better, and it makes a hell of a lot more sense to get him than it does Feliz.  I don't care how many runs he saves with his defense.  We need more people producing runs with in the offense.  Feliz is thoroughly mediocre and will never be anything more.  We know that as a fact.  He's 32 or whatever, and not getting any younger.  People usually stop improving by that age.  Why not trade a couple so-so prospects (NOT Lowry/Sanchez/Bumgarner/Alderson/Villalona/Sosa/Schierholtz/Lewis/Misch/Correia)?  Like maybe Billy Sadler or Sergio Romo or somebody with sparkly stats from last year that probably won't replicate next year.  He sounds like a good idea because he's not going to cost that much.  Hall has only had one great season, which means it could've just been a fluke.  But then again, it might not have.  So why not take a chance on a guy with massive upside instead of signing an aging guy with a good glove that can kill rallies from the on-deck circle?

by boonitez on Jan 15, 2008 1:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
nick johnson is a legit middle of the order bat when healthy. why not take a flyer?

by sam23 on Jan 12, 2008 11:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Key words "when healthy".  When has he ever been healthy?  Pass!

by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2008 11:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
If you want to wait for the perfect, guaranteed to succeed, legitimate middle of the order hitter to make a trade, you're either going to have to move Cain/Lincecum or die of old age before anything gets done. For what the Giants can afford to offer, they're not going to get a player without warts.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2008 2:48 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
my point exactly.  who else are you going to get who could be a legit middle of the order bat without giving up cain or lincecum?

by sam23 on Jan 13, 2008 9:52 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Everyone here wants to rebuild but nobody here seems to have the patience to rebuild.  Wait for the right opportunites don't panic and jump at any and every wet dream that comes along.

by giantsrainman on Jan 13, 2008 2:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
You have to be mighty patient to find a proven, young #3/4 hitting 3B for a package centered around Lowry.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2008 2:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Kinda depends on weither the 05 Lowry returns or not doesn't it?  I am also more the willing to wait for Lowry's or Sanchez's, or Correia's or Hennessey's trade value to increase.  They all won't but it is a good bet that at least one and most likely two will.

by giantsrainman on Jan 13, 2008 4:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Will the 05 lowry return? Can Correia or Hennessey pitch any better than last season? Is Sanchez really as wild as he looks? Can they all stay healthy (being pitchers, I doubt it)? I don't think this group of players is a lock to improve.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2008 4:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Even if they do improve, it has to be enough to offset the fact that they'll be a year closer to free agency.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2008 4:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
when youre rebuilding you have to get lucky once or twice (see: ordonez, magglio) unless you have a yankee/sox/cubs payroll.  we dont and unless we field an entertaining team within the next 2-3 years the payroll could shrink.  im not saying i want to go get a bunch of vets or make a run at the playoffs this year, or even next year, but why not see what nick the stick or someone like that can do?  you have a huge hole at first and we pretty much know ort isnt going to be a starting quality mlb 1st baseman.  sanchez/lowry would be solid contributors for a few years but ill take a 1B with upside who isnt 35 over either one.  

by sam23 on Jan 13, 2008 3:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
If he were are free agent and you could sign him for 1 year and $1M plus incentives sure.  But, if you have to trade real talent and pay real dollars again thanks, but no thanks.

by giantsrainman on Jan 13, 2008 4:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Oh, and Nick has never been and never will be the likes of Magglio Ordonez.    

by giantsrainman on Jan 13, 2008 4:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
youre right, lets sit on our asses and stockpile pitching while we "wait" for these great hitters to come crawling out of our minor league system like they have been.  thats way better than taking a risk or two.  lowry and sanchez are good but trading one of them isnt exactly going to cripple the franchise.  nor is the 4 mil owed to johnson.  it is a risk, he probably wont ever be healthy but if he pans out the trade is a steal, you have yourself an obp machine and gold glove caliber first baseman.  clearly i wasnt saying he will ever be ordonez (i dont think anyone would read that objectively and think i was saying that) my point was id rather be like detroit and take a risk or two than pittsburgh who continues to "wait" and rebuild.

by sam23 on Jan 13, 2008 5:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Nick is owed $11M for 08 and 09 ($5.5M each year) which is significately more then just the $4M for 08 you state.  Yes, I would rather bet that some combination of Lowry, Sanchez, Correia, Hennessey, etc will improve their trade value and yeild a better player at a lower risk down the road then to trade any of these for the high risk and expense of Nick Johnson.  I am more then willing to trade when we can get a healthy young middle of the order bat without having to overpay in dollars or talent.  This is not that opportunity.  Now if the Nationals are willing to play more then half of Nick's salary and accept a second teir prospect like say Bill Sadler in return then I am all for it.  But, we both know they won't eat the dollars and accept this level of talent return.

by giantsrainman on Jan 13, 2008 5:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
5.5 per isnt exactly a lot more than the 4 mil off hand estimate i gave. 2 years isnt a long obligation.  we arent the yankess where we can afford to take 10 million dollar a year gambles but we arent exactly k.c., tampa, or florida either. your argument not to get him because of a bad contract is simply ridiculous.  this isnt a gamble on an unproven dallas mcpherson-type who has shown nothing at the mlb level we are talking about here.  i know he has major injury issues but he's still only 29 and in close to 2000 career AB's he's posted a .395 OBP and was at his best when he gotten regular playing time.  he also plays close to J.T. level defense.  

by sam23 on Jan 14, 2008 12:06 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
If you want to wait for the perfect, guaranteed to succeed, legitimate middle of the order hitter to make a trade, you're either going to have to move Cain/Lincecum or die of old age before anything gets done.

I agree. IMO, most of us here want to make a step toward the future. We all know what Feliz is. He is a great defensive player, and a poor offensive player that has not shown the ability to correct the deficiencies in his hitting.

On a team like the Philly's he is a good fit. Park effect should help him for 80 games as well. The Giants cannot afford to wait for the perfect middle of the order hitter. They need a hitter. They are going to miss opportunities to pick up a young hitter that can bridge the next few years. I am willing to risk some defensive ability in order to pick up a hitter at 1B or 3B, even just an OBP guy. There is not much in the system right now except pitching. It's time to trade some away, or let Frandsen, Leone, Burriss, Bocock, or even this guy (just kidding) take a shot.

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by nvsfg on Jan 13, 2008 10:48 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
One Ticket please!

The other advantage to getting a hitter is even is he just turns into a high OPB type is the trade does not hamper  us `09 and beyond.   I also like the idea of the Giants turning the #5 ( and possibly #4) starters roles into a market until some extremely high ceiling  types make The Show. Under that scenario we should be build, or reclaiming, talent  to swap out and up grade the roster for a prolonged period of time. Key word is "should".

by daveinexile on Jan 13, 2008 10:57 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
because its better than trading any young potential for a player who also wont help us contend?

see: rolen, inge, hall

(and yes i know rolen was already traded, its just an example)

by Mike on Jan 12, 2008 3:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
anyone else just not want to see feliz back?  his at-bats are an absolute joke.  i have no idea why any pitcher ever throws him a fastball.  i agree he isnt the worst option at third and we arent going to contend no matter who we have there, but i just dont want to see any more of feliz.  

by sam23 on Jan 12, 2008 4:17 PM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
He's not the worst guy you can have, and our options are limited. Still, I would rather see Frandsen get the at-bats even if he is not our long-term solution there.
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by oldjacket on Jan 12, 2008 4:38 PM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I agree with the sentiment that we could have lived with Feliz if Omar wasn't brought back, but who wants the both of them?? I would probably weigh 20 pounds less if it weren't for those guys. Every inning I saw that Feliz, Omar and the pitcher were due, I went into the kitchen to make a sandwich.
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by rxmeister on Jan 12, 2008 7:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I'm surprised you had enough time to make a sandwich with those two up.
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by Bhaakon on Jan 12, 2008 8:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I certainly know that feeling.

For some reason Feliz's at bats were the most frustrating of the three. I think it's that he seems to have the tools to be a good hitter but not the approach. I feel the same way about watching Feliz hit as I do about watching Chuck Knoblach trying to throw to first base: a mixture of contempt and pity.

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by oldjacket on Jan 12, 2008 8:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
This is who I want for 3B:

Ensberg
Frandsen/Aurilia
McPherson
Inge
Leone
Koskie
Randy Winn
Matt Wiliiams
Feliz

In that order.

I consider him the worst guy we can have. I want nothing to do with him, we need someone who is a bargain and/or possible long-term solution, or we might as well just let Frandsen get AB's and Durham/Aurilia (hopefully) build back some value for a deadline trade.

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by jasomack on Jan 12, 2008 6:05 PM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Insert Eddie Gaedel right above Feliz as well and you have my list.
Hillary: Will cry for votes

by rxmeister on Jan 12, 2008 7:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Defensively, we know he can handle the short hops....
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on Jan 12, 2008 10:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
problem is he loves the short hops when he's batting.

by sam23 on Jan 12, 2008 11:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I'm wondering if Freddy Sanchez could be available and a good choice for this team.  Other than that, I like Eric Chavez, but then again, you'll get the exact same thing out of Feliz minus the great clubhouse leadership.  

by the1 on Jan 12, 2008 9:04 PM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
i dont like chavez at all and dont want him here but if he's healthy he is waaaay better than feliz.

by sam23 on Jan 12, 2008 11:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
The A's are in the middle of a fire sale, thats pretty obvious. For us to get a Chavy for say a Sanchez or Hennessey(sp?) would be a great deal for us. Dude goes down we have Franson to fill the spot, but to have a solid third base option with good 3/4 spot power would look real nice with Rolland behind or ahead of him. The only thing I see being a problem is Chavy's Health and the want for the A's to do business with the Giants.

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by HarshInFresno on Jan 13, 2008 6:38 AM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
You don't think Beane will hold on the Chavez in hopes he has a good, healthy 3+ months then move him for a greater return?   It obvious the A's as going no were this season for  why wouldn't they wait and cash in on the rebound themselves?

by daveinexile on Jan 13, 2008 10:44 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Just for what it's worth: I'm fairly certain that a majority of Athletics Nation would turn a Chavez-for-Villalona deal down flat at this point (unless the Giants ate his entire salary or something). On a pure talent-for-talent basis, the Giants would need to give up something like Villalona+Denker to get Chavez now. I have no idea how to link on this board, but the thread in question is by notsellingjeans and is on the front page over there.

I'm not saying that SF should do the above-- it would be completely stupid to set back the rebuilding process by coughing up two high-upside prospects for a veteran in a year where the team is not going to be competitive-- but that's the kind of price the Giants would have to pay. Sanchez-for-Chavez is laughable.

by PaulThomas on Jan 14, 2008 11:48 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Wow. A Chavez for Villalona deal, which is completely ridiculous in of itself, is not enough for the A's & we'd need to throw is someone like Denker or Bumgarner as well? That's mind boggling!

by GiantFan on Jan 15, 2008 1:48 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
pedro feliz=mike dunleavy.

by sam23 on Jan 13, 2008 10:02 AM PST   0 recs

Re: The only one?
nice. thanks for the smile.

by daveinexile on Jan 13, 2008 10:41 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I don't buy it, Feliz just doesn't have any baseball IQ.
Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2008 2:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
and mike dunleavy cant play d...but still you get the idea right?  ok player, maybe he'd be a decent contributor elsewhere, never lived up to expectations here, looks like garbage on this team, doesnt seem to have a whole lot of passion for the game or a desire to get better, we'd be better off without him.

by sam23 on Jan 13, 2008 3:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I think Feliz = Pietrus.
Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2008 3:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
This season Mike Dunleavy is putting up the best numbers of his career.

by sharksrog on Jan 13, 2008 6:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
Does he play defense yet? Seriously though, he's having the best year of his career and still isn't even remotely close to making the Warriors regret the trade with Indy.
Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2008 7:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: The only one?
I had a nightmare last night that we signed Pedro to a 5 year contract for 8.2 million. Just low enough so I couldn't be made but still so damn long that it made me want to cry when I woke up. Just thought I would share. And no I'm not kidding, I actually dream about the Giants and resigning mediocre free agents.
"I'd take pleasure in gutting you boy" Oh and ignore the spelling. I do.....

by someguynamedg on Jan 13, 2008 9:40 PM PST   0 recs