Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Picking the right target of rage isn't a science. There really isn't a right answer, so you just have to eliminate the possibilities.
- Brian Wilson throws high-90s smoke, but his control will keep killing him. It wasn't Khalil Greene's chopper that hurt; it wasn't Brady Clark's weak fister that hurt. It was the four straight balls to Oscar F. Robles that hurt. It was getting behind in the count to Brian Giles that hurt. Target of rage, though? Nah. Learning experience. Better to get it in now than when it matters.
- Scott Hairston did act like a petulant little twit throughout the whole game. After everything he does on the field, he has an interpretive dance of weenieness ready to go. He slams helmets, sighs, drops his shoulders and, of course, flips his bat after home runs. I don't think he was really trying to show Cain up, though. Hairston's just doesn't think before he acts. Target of rage? Nah. Just an emotional moron. It'll be that much more fun to watch the Cain/Hairston match-ups in the future.
- Brett Tomko popping up over the dugout like some methed-out meerkat to chirp at Matt Cain: perfect target of rage. What a whiny goon. If winning baseball were ever personified in a single man, Tomko would be that man's venereal disease. Here's to Brett Tomko: a waste of a mid-90s fastball, a waste of a Playboy model, and a waste of a roster spot wherever he goes.
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It's all about Cain now.
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Feeling comfortable, i go back to my homework.
I open it up again 20 minutes later and it's the last pitch of the game in the bottom of the 9th, with the Giants losing by multiple runs.
Fuck this team. Fuck the Padres. Fuck the Dodgers. Fuck the NL West. Fuck baseball.
Oh yeah,
if I were Cain or Lincecum or Lowhry, I'd ask for a trade.
No use playing for such a fucking sucky pussy snoodle loving team in which they lose all the time after you work hard.
Kiddies, don't waste your careers here.
I'm out.
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by David A. Arnott on Sep 26, 2007 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions
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by projectmayhem713 on Sep 26, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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by E Ticket on Sep 25, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
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by E Ticket on Sep 25, 2007 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
Wilson is precious cargo: Handle With Care
Isn't Wilson just two years removed from serious arm surgery?
Assbite managers discover something out of the ordinary and keep throwing it out there until it is in tatters....
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by giantsrainman on Sep 25, 2007 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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Proof you say? Fine. Look below.









In total, he threw 35 pitches in an 1 2/3 inning. Not bad. Not perfect, but not bad. He was also consistently throwing 95-96 with his fastball, from his first batter, to his last. Now was he flying open up a bit? Who can say? He sure wasn't missing by much. It seemed to me as if he was getting squeezed more than a little, something Kruk and Kuip mentioned more than once...but he battled through it.
In short, I see no proof as to him losing velocity as you're suggesting. I was impressed by his outing, and while the homerun hurts, it was a middle-in 95 mph fastball that Giles was able to turn on, not the lacking in velocity home-run special that you seem to be implying.
by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
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by giantsrainman on Sep 26, 2007 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions
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Newsflash - the kid ain't Rivera, skip.
Oh, and screw Journeyman Tomko. Dipshit probably doesn't even know which jersey he's wearing currently.
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When Boulderskull brought in Wilson in the eighth, I was pretty sure the Giants were going to lose. Even when Wilson struck out Hairston and Gonzalez, I was pessimistic about his chances to complete the save.
Asking a young reliever with tenuous command, who relies on high-90's fastballs with movement, to save a tight ballgame over more than one inning is just asking for trouble. I honestly felt at the time that the Giants would've been better off in the eighth, had they continued to roll the dice with Kline or had they brought in Munter, than to have brought in Wilson and asked him to save it.
If you're talking about veteran guys like Hoffman or Rivera, who have developed greater stamina and know how to pace themselves according to different situations, and who really don't rely on overpowering velocity anyway, then I can see going for the 5 or 6-out save. But Wilson's thing is to come in and blaze his way through an inning. I just don't think a guy like that is capable right now of shutting it down between innings, and then coming back with the same velocity and command as he had the inning before. Last night when Wilson hit the upper 20's in his pitch count, he clearly began to hit the wall. The five straight balls to Robles and Giles all missed pretty badly.
So, horrible move by Bochy to bring in Wilson in the eighth. Horrible bullpen assembled by Sabean. Horrble farm system run by Jack Hiatt that produces such high caliber relievers. And a special helping of scorn for Brad Hennessey, for not being able to throw a strike in the eighth, which was really what led to the whole debacle.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
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Things I don't like: Bruce Bochy, San Diego Padres.
That's as much thinking as I want to do right now.
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(brought to you by Harvey Einstein, Albert's ne'er-do-well janitor brother, who also consistently voted for Hitler)
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Also, it's still possible for both the Pads and Rox to make the playoffs, and the D-Backs (who at the moment have the best record in the NL) to stay home. My love of quirky finishes has me rooting for that outcome.
by EliminateMe on Sep 26, 2007 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
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His third at-bat he hit a homerun and tossed his bat over his shoulder (it almost looked like a no look pass).
Cain started barking at Hairston. Hairston didn't respond. As Hairston walked into the dugout Cain continued to say things to Hairston.
Cain then struck out Adrian Gonzalez to end the inning and was yelling into the Padres dugout.
That's when Tomko jumped to his feet (without a hat on he looks like an extra from Grease), leaned over the railing and started yelling at Cain.
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I spit on him.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 6:20 AM PDT reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
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Tomko
All I could think of was this one game he had pitched in his last season here in 2005. He had sucked, as usual, and was taken out early. He vented his frustration by "punching" the empty water coolers, only he looked like a complete wimp doing it. He had balled up both fists and slapped at the evil water cooler in a manner more reminiscent of a toddler "playing the drums" on a coffee-table top. Either that, or like a woman with freshly-painted nails who was still waiting for them to dry completely.
He succeeded in knocking the empty coolers at least, which were so lightweight that they bounced all over the dugout floor. Impressive. True, it was a safer route than the one Messenger took, but would any of us have been sad that year if Tomko landed himself on the dl?
The guy was so obviously jealous of Cain's debut that year--and his ass was demoted to the bullpen.
Laughable.
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Cain erupted, screaming at Hairston as he circled the bases. Two innings later, when Giants closer Brian Wilson struck out Hairston, Cain, leaning over the dugout rail, waved goodbye as Hairston walked to the dugout.
This time, it was Tomko who erupted. He went to the top of the dugout and screamed angrily at Cain.
"I wanted to defend my teammate because I thought it was a bad move by Cain," Tomko said. "Cain had rubbed his eyes, telling me not to cry because of the scoreboard."
I LOVE CAIN.
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Honestly I'm surprised it took him this long to show something other than patience and reticence. If I was him I would have lost my mind long ago.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
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Cain was awesome and his wave was priceless. He was The Man last night, no matter what the team did to him.
A 4-Star General with an Army of Misfits
Cain most likely worries less about the opposition and more about what his own team might be doing to undermine him.
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I understand he's upset about not getting his proper send off, but come on. That's a weak way to go out.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Fare Thee Well, Sport
Here's hoping, in baseball parlance, Bonds doesn't get undressed tonight.
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I wonder if Peavy will plunk anyone in retaliation for Cain-Hairston feud? Should be a fun game to watch regardless.
And fuck Brett Tomko.
back to rage
Kline and Munter probly coulda handled the 8th inning. Kline is the same vs righties as lefties anyway. No reason to believe that Wilson was good for 5 outs with a guy already on 1st.
Rage against the MagowanSabeanMediocrityMachine
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I'll take Wilson at 200 pitches over a fresh Munter any day of the week.
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Why do fans enjoy seeing Cain take issue with a batter who preens at hitting a HR? Where you just watching the flight of Bonds majestic HRs that you missed his pirouette or standing at the plate to watch his shots? The Sosa hop has gotta stop. Doubt if any of todays hitters would stand and admire if Drysdale or Gibson was pitching. ALL hitters should show some sense of sportsmanship after doing something special. Just run around the bases and accept the applauding of the fans and your teammates.
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The whole game he put on a pathetic, insulting show. It's not just about the one at bat. He deserves his criticism.
by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
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As for Bonds, I for one was not proud of his pirouette against the Dodgers, and don't appreciate him or any hitter showing up a pitcher after a HR.
The great pitchers do take exception to hitters observing their HRs from the batters box because the great pitchers have so much pride in what they do. That is why I really enjoyed Matt Cain's 'tude last night.
by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
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*I like this subtle Morrisey reference, because like Morris on the field, the Smiths' former front man is really just a whiny teenager in a grown man's body.
by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
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I think it was just the last game of Cain's year and he wanted to let off some steam. He fucking deserves to, that's for damn sure.
by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
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So, by your argument
If pitchers don't show "sportsmanship", why should hitters?
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All of this is amusing and predictable. We pretty much back our guys' play. If roles were reversed, Cain would be getting ripped here for his histronics and Hairston lauded for his minimal response (flips bat but trots around bases at respectable speed without chirping back to Cain). Gosh, imagine if that was Milton Bradley. We can only dream for that drama. It'd be a battle of waving hands.
by Stephen @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 26, 2007 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
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When your team does something it's all good, when the other team does it it's unprofessional. That's the way it goes. Where's that picture from this year of Klesko arrogantly posturing after a home run? Decidedly unprofessional, but I still laugh my ass off whenever I see it.
Ask the Padres what they think of Carlos Ruiz's takeout of Marcus Giles. The Phillies considered it old-school and hard-nosed ball. Nothing wrong with that, right?
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And I'm sorry if I'll be encouraging more bad behavior in baseball, but I have to go laugh my ass off now.
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Or perhaps both.
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Cain vs. Hairston
Which is not something to say when you are a washed up 30 year old never-was clinging to his MLB career by a lifeline.
It's all good, will give some spice to future series against the Pads. Made me love Cain all the more, hopefully everyone can see now that we need to keep Cain, not trade him.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
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We had four or five years of Klesko doing that. Pretty ridiculous.
Why the hate on Khalil? Because he's our Pedro Feliz (good power, solid glove, low OBP)?
by Stephen @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 26, 2007 1:02 PM PDT reply actions
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