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Open Rage or Optimism Thread

Picking the right target of rage isn't a science. There really isn't a right answer, so you just have to eliminate the possibilities.

  • Brian Wilson throws high-90s smoke, but his control will keep killing him. It wasn't Khalil Greene's chopper that hurt; it wasn't Brady Clark's weak fister that hurt. It was the four straight balls to Oscar F. Robles that hurt. It was getting behind in the count to Brian Giles that hurt. Target of rage, though? Nah. Learning experience. Better to get it in now than when it matters.
  • Scott Hairston did act like a petulant little twit throughout the whole game. After everything he does on the field, he has an interpretive dance of weenieness ready to go. He slams helmets, sighs, drops his shoulders and, of course, flips his bat after home runs. I don't think he was really trying to show Cain up, though. Hairston's just doesn't think before he acts. Target of rage? Nah. Just an emotional moron. It'll be that much more fun to watch the Cain/Hairston match-ups in the future.
  • Brett Tomko popping up over the dugout like some methed-out meerkat to chirp at Matt Cain: perfect target of rage. What a whiny goon. If winning baseball were ever personified in a single man, Tomko would be that man's venereal disease. Here's to Brett Tomko: a waste of a mid-90s fastball, a waste of a Playboy model, and a waste of a roster spot wherever he goes.
And there's no way this was the worst game of the year. It made me love the idea of having Cain around for a decade even more. It was a game that I actually watched with passion. The Giants are awful, and this season has been awful. But this game wasn't the worst. There was some good in it. If the Giants ever claw their way back into relevance, I'll remember this game.

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Re: Open Rage Thread
Bonds is gone.

It's all about Cain now.

by Moggeee on Sep 25, 2007 10:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage Thread
This must be at least the 15th game where I open the Yahoo sports window and see that the Giants were leading by multiple runs going into the top of the 9th.
Feeling comfortable, i go back to my homework.

I open it up again 20 minutes later and it's the last pitch of the game in the bottom of the 9th, with the Giants losing by multiple runs.

Fuck this team. Fuck the Padres. Fuck the Dodgers. Fuck the NL West. Fuck baseball.
Oh yeah,

    if I were Cain or Lincecum or Lowhry, I'd ask for a trade.

    No use playing for such a fucking sucky pussy snoodle loving team in which they lose all the time after you work hard.

    Kiddies, don't waste your careers here.

I'm out.

The rally pumpkin guy, round and full of seeds; unlike the Giants.

by jtoj on Sep 25, 2007 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage Thread
Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.
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by David A. Arnott on Sep 26, 2007 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

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snoodle!!!! didnt know that was a common word, glad to see it getting around.

by projectmayhem713 on Sep 26, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage Thread
The proper definition seems to be under dispute at urbandictionary.com, but there does seem to be a predominate theme over there. I'd never heard of it until today. Whelp, add that to my list of sex acts practiced by less than a thousandth of a percent of any given population.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

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I loved what I saw from Wilson, aside from that mistake.  His stuff looked good for the most part, he just needs to harness it a tad bit more.  That'll always be his issue.  Maybe be something of a Derrick Turnbow sort of reliever?  I'm still hoping for a Robb Nen type career.
Brian Anderson: converting saves and dominating as best he can.

by JT Jordan on Sep 25, 2007 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage Thread
Turnbow was always a disaster waiting to happen. He looks like an infuriated palm tree that just got blindsided by a tsunami when he blows towards the plate. Wilson is smoooooooth. He will be fine if he can get himself to a place like Minnesota, Baltimore, Toronto where they actually have managers  and pitching coaches who actually know what the fuck they're doing.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Sep 25, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Wilson's meltdown is completely on Boulderskull. This was Wilson's 4th appearance in 5 days and he was brought in in the 8th inning and he was up to like 35 pitches by the time Giles came up. After Ball 2 to to Robles it was OBVIOUS BEYOND BELIEF that he was done. All Bochy did was reconfirm once again that Magowan and Sabaen are fucking stubborn middle-aged assholes.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Sep 25, 2007 11:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Wilson is precious cargo: Handle With Care
Reminded me of Flippy's overuse of Accardo last year.

Isn't Wilson just two years removed from serious arm surgery?

Assbite managers discover something out of the ordinary and keep throwing it out there until it is in tatters....

by Moggeee on Sep 25, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
For once we agree.  Wilson was flying open and losing velocity with is a sign to anyone who knows anything about pitching that he was out of gas.  Taschner may not have fared better but Wilson should of never been allowed to face Giles.

by giantsrainman on Sep 25, 2007 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Just which game were you watching?!?  He wasn't losing gas one bit.  If you had actually watched the game, you would of noticed that he was throwing 96-97 until he gave up the tater-tot to Giles.

Proof you say?  Fine.  Look below.

In total, he threw 35 pitches in an 1 2/3 inning.  Not bad.  Not perfect, but not bad.  He was also consistently throwing 95-96 with his fastball, from his first batter, to his last.  Now was he flying open up a bit?  Who can say?  He sure wasn't missing by much.  It seemed to me as if he was getting squeezed more than a little, something Kruk and Kuip mentioned more than once...but he battled through it.

In short, I see no proof as to him losing velocity as you're suggesting.  I was impressed by his outing, and while the homerun hurts, it was a middle-in 95 mph fastball that Giles was able to turn on, not the lacking in velocity home-run special that you seem to be implying.

I adopted Omar and have nothing good to say about this team. Footy season has kicked off, so I don't watch the Giants much anymore.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
I wasn't watching the internet, the FSN BayArea gun had him toping out at 99 in the 8th and early 9th while not exceeding 96 to the last two batters.  Krukow also stated that he was flying open early which was most likely caused by fatigue in his pitches to Robles and Giles.  He was done after Clark and this should have been clear after Robles.  Wilson should have never pitched to Giles.  

by giantsrainman on Sep 26, 2007 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

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It's not about velocity, guys. It's about the ability to throw a strike. Wilson has serious issues with this, especially when he starts to press. Robles posed no threat whatsoever. He should've been grooving the ball down the pipe and letting him hit it to one of his fielders. He was not going to hit it out of the park. Unfortunately, Wilson lacks the ability to do so and Righetti & Bighead did not take the time to go out there and tell him to forget about blowing the guy away and throw a strike. It's just awful all around......Macgowan, Sabean, Bochy, Righetti, Tidrow Hiatt......can 'em all.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 26, 2007 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
It wasn't a loss of velocity that hurt Wilson, it was a loss of command. As a pitcher tires, he typically will lose one or the other (if not both). Wilson was able to maintain most of his velocity (he had been at 99 in the eighth inning), but had to sacrifice command to do so.

by tobias on Sep 26, 2007 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Amen. I don't think Wilson has the kind of control or stamina necessary to get a five out save at this point. Complete f-up by Bochy.

Newsflash - the kid ain't Rivera, skip.

Oh, and screw Journeyman Tomko. Dipshit probably doesn't even know which jersey he's wearing currently.

by otis29 on Sep 26, 2007 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
"Boulderskull"... Nice.

When Boulderskull brought in Wilson in the eighth, I was pretty sure the Giants were going to lose. Even when Wilson struck out Hairston and Gonzalez, I was pessimistic about his chances to complete the save.

Asking a young reliever with tenuous command, who relies on high-90's fastballs with movement, to save a tight ballgame over more than one inning is just asking for trouble. I honestly felt at the time that the Giants would've been better off in the eighth, had they continued to roll the dice with Kline or had they brought in Munter, than to have brought in Wilson and asked him to save it.  

If you're talking about veteran guys like Hoffman or Rivera, who have developed greater stamina and know how to pace themselves according to different situations, and who really don't rely on overpowering velocity anyway, then I can see going for the 5 or 6-out save.  But Wilson's thing is to come in and blaze his way through an inning.  I just don't think a guy like that is capable right now of shutting it down between innings, and then coming back with the same velocity and command as he had the inning before.  Last night when Wilson hit the upper 20's in his pitch count, he clearly began to hit the wall.  The five straight balls to  Robles and Giles all missed pretty badly.

So, horrible move by Bochy to bring in Wilson in the eighth.  Horrible bullpen assembled by Sabean. Horrble farm system run by Jack Hiatt that produces such high caliber relievers.  And a special helping of scorn for Brad Hennessey, for not being able to throw a strike in the eighth, which was really what led to the whole debacle.

by tobias on Sep 26, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

More boulderskull
There's a slang word in Korean for a stupid person, that literally means "stone head." IIRC it's doldaegari. "Boulderskull" made me think of that and laugh.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Things I like: Matt Cain, Brian Wilson.

Things I don't like: Bruce Bochy, San Diego Padres.

That's as much thinking as I want to do right now.

Only 976 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Sep 25, 2007 11:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
You have just been awarded tonight's coveted Einstein Award.

(brought to you by Harvey Einstein, Albert's ne'er-do-well janitor brother, who also consistently voted for Hitler)

by Moggeee on Sep 25, 2007 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Hey at least this game kept us in the race for the #2 or 3 pick. That 3 game winning streak dropped us to 9th or 10th. Hopefully we can beat the Mothers tomorrow to put the Rockies in the playoffs, then lose every other game and swoop into the top 5!

by joebirdie3 on Sep 26, 2007 12:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
I'm pulling for the Rockies at this point - if nothing else, Todd Helton deserves at least one postseason in his career. But as for getting help from the Giants, forget it. Let 'em get in on their own, the Giants don't owe 'em anything.

Also, it's still possible for both the Pads and Rox to make the playoffs, and the D-Backs (who at the moment have the best record in the NL) to stay home.  My love of quirky finishes has me rooting for that outcome.

SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Sep 26, 2007 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Uh, can someone explain what Tomko did for someone who was asleep?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Sep 26, 2007 2:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Hairston struck out his first two times at-bat. The first time he slammed his helmet into the ground.

His third at-bat he hit a homerun and tossed his bat over his shoulder (it almost looked like a no look pass).

Cain started barking at Hairston. Hairston didn't respond. As Hairston walked into the dugout Cain continued to say things to Hairston.

Cain then struck out Adrian Gonzalez to end the inning and was yelling into the Padres dugout.

That's when Tomko jumped to his feet (without a hat on he looks like an extra from Grease), leaned over the railing and started yelling at Cain.

Do they know to win the game a team has to actually score at least once?

by noahthek on Sep 26, 2007 6:19 AM PDT reply actions  

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I missed the Tomko thing too. What an idiot douchebag. Who in the blue F is he to chirp at anyone for anything? Did he forget he is, at best, a nobody who catches on with a major league team only when they need a cheap mediocre arm?

I spit on him.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 6:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Sorry, TK. When I get on a rant it's hard to stop.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
LOL! I was gonna say ... don't hate! I missed that too though. On the radio they just said there were "heated exchanges."
Notgardo may be afraid to catch Niekro's knuckler. Mama didn't raise no fool.

by tk on Sep 26, 2007 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tomko
When I saw him pop up over the dugout last night in that forced show of bravado, I laughed out loud.  

All I could think of was this one game he had pitched in his last season here in 2005.   He had sucked, as usual, and was taken out early. He vented his frustration by "punching" the empty water coolers, only he looked like a complete wimp doing it.    He had balled up both fists and slapped at the evil water cooler in a manner more reminiscent of a toddler "playing the drums" on a coffee-table top.   Either that, or like a woman with freshly-painted nails who was still waiting for them to dry completely.  

He succeeded in knocking the empty coolers at least, which were so lightweight that they bounced all over the dugout floor.   Impressive.   True, it was a safer route than the one Messenger took, but would any of us have been sad that year if Tomko landed himself on the dl?

The guy was so obviously jealous of Cain's debut that year--and his ass was demoted to the bullpen.  

Laughable.  

by Widget on Sep 26, 2007 7:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Tomko
Cain and Hairston are just kids.   I expect kids to get fired up and get in each other's faces.  

Tomko's just a roster buffoon.

by Widget on Sep 26, 2007 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Tomko
This is great:

Cain erupted, screaming at Hairston as he circled the bases. Two innings later, when Giants closer Brian Wilson struck out Hairston, Cain, leaning over the dugout rail, waved goodbye as Hairston walked to the dugout.

This time, it was Tomko who erupted. He went to the top of the dugout and screamed angrily at Cain.

"I wanted to defend my teammate because I thought it was a bad move by Cain," Tomko said. "Cain had rubbed his eyes, telling me not to cry because of the scoreboard."

I LOVE CAIN.

by KCE on Sep 26, 2007 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Tomko
If anyone has earned the right to make a gesture in such a manner as Cain did to Hairston and later Tomko, it's Cain. The difference? Cain can back up his smack.

Honestly I'm surprised it took him this long to show something other than patience and reticence. If I was him I would have lost my mind long ago.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Tomko
'Methed-out meerkat' is pretty great. We laughed out loud too when he popped his head up like the gopher from Caddyshack. Uh, sit back down, Brett ... get back to figuring out where you'll be next year.

Cain was awesome and his wave was priceless. He was The Man last night, no matter what the team did to him.

by El4short on Sep 26, 2007 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

A 4-Star General with an Army of Misfits
Got a point there.

Cain most likely worries less about the opposition and more about what his own team might be doing to undermine him.

by Moggeee on Sep 26, 2007 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Tomko
You know Cain had to be thinkin':

Nice to see him finally get p*ssed off about it.

Ben Copeland, because face it, Who was left to adopt ?

by nvsfg on Sep 26, 2007 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
According to the KNBR morning guys, Barry didn't pinch hit in the 8th or 9th because he was already in street clothes.

I understand he's upset about not getting his proper send off, but come on.  That's a weak way to go out.

by KCE on Sep 26, 2007 7:28 AM PDT reply actions  

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Very weak. :/
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fare Thee Well, Sport
That kind of reaction by Bonds is just what Magowan and Sabean were worried about. It's why they waited until late in the season to give him his passport.

Here's hoping, in baseball parlance, Bonds doesn't get undressed tonight.

by Moggeee on Sep 26, 2007 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

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I'm proud that my boy is such a badass. <3
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Sep 26, 2007 8:10 AM PDT reply actions  

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Going to Bonds' farewell party tonight.  After last night's game I'm pretty fired up for the Giants to destroy the gd Pads.  Too bad Peavy is pitching...

I wonder if Peavy will plunk anyone in retaliation for Cain-Hairston feud?  Should be a fun game to watch regardless.

And fuck Brett Tomko.

Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

back to rage
agree that Wilson was obviously toast after the walk to Robles.  Munter was ready.
Kline and Munter probly coulda handled the 8th inning.  Kline is the same vs righties as lefties anyway.  No reason to believe that Wilson was good for 5 outs with a guy already on 1st.
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by foothillsfan on Sep 26, 2007 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: back to rage
I love playing the blame game as much as anyone, but I will never, ever blame Bochy for not going with Scott Munter in a tight game.

I'll take Wilson at 200 pitches over a fresh Munter any day of the week.

by KCE on Sep 26, 2007 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Matt Cain pitched another fine game last night. Bochy quich hooked Hennessey fast enough that Felipe Alou was smiling as he was baiting his fishing line. Bochy, however, stayed with a leaking Wilson too long.

Why do fans enjoy seeing Cain take issue with a batter who preens at hitting a HR? Where you just watching the flight of Bonds majestic HRs that you missed his pirouette or standing at the plate to watch his shots? The Sosa hop has gotta stop. Doubt if any of todays hitters would stand and admire if Drysdale or Gibson was pitching. ALL hitters should show some sense of sportsmanship after doing something special. Just run around the bases and accept the applauding of the fans and your teammates.

by wilriv21 on Sep 26, 2007 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

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It's not that he got excited and did something after the HR. It's that 1) He's an awful player who kills us, so we hate him (see: Khalil "Diarreah" Greene), 2) he made every single at bat of the game some kind of emotional spectacle, acting like a complete baby when he struck out, so we associate the HR dance and song (song and dance) with that professional show of bull, and 3) It's a solo homerun that leaves your team, ummm, still losing by three, so suck it up, round the bags, and wait to make a show of things for the inevitable ninth inning comeback.

The whole game he put on a pathetic, insulting show. It's not just about the one at bat. He deserves his criticism.

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

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I enjoy seeing Cain showing emotion especially after the bullshit that has been his '07 season.

As for Bonds, I for one was not proud of his pirouette against the Dodgers, and don't appreciate him or any hitter showing up a pitcher after a HR.  

The great pitchers do take exception to hitters observing their HRs from the batters box because the great pitchers have so much pride in what they do.  That is why I really enjoyed Matt Cain's 'tude last night.

Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Although I'm still not sure I really enjoy seeing Cain losing his ice cold and jawing at a guy from the middle of the diamond, however much he deserved to snap at some point this year. I'd hope that he doesn't get a taste for that kind of Matt Morrisey* on field stuff. Although, I can't imagine that could possibly be the case. Matt Cain, unlike that other Matt, is a superior class act on the field (giving Morris the benefit of the doubt here for off-field class, because I've heard good things).

*I like this subtle Morrisey reference, because like Morris on the field, the Smiths' former front man is really just a whiny teenager in a grown man's body.

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Matt Morrisey made me LOL.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Me too!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Sep 26, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

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I wouldn't be too worried about it.  Cain's demeanor last night just seemed very Clemens-like to me, but I don't think Cain will ever turn into as big a prick as Clemens.  Him showing some fire is refreshing.

I think it was just the last game of Cain's year and he wanted to let off some steam.  He fucking deserves to, that's for damn sure.

Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Well said.  One time was refreshing and cathartic to see. Twice and it's, "OK, probably better scale that back a little." Three times and he's starting to get into Zambrano territory.  

by tobias on Sep 26, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Matt needs some Clemens in him or some Pedro. The well-timed 95 MPH heat seeker is always a good addition to a power pitcher's repertoire.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Sep 26, 2007 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, by your argument
when a pitcher gets a K, or a key out, he should also show some sportmanship by not pumping his fist(s), not cheering etc?

If pitchers don't show "sportsmanship", why should hitters?

by rfloh on Sep 26, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: So, by your argument
ALL players should show sportsmanship. They get paid to get the out or get the hit. If they want to display emotion and celebrate then run into the dugout and share with your teammates. I was upset that Cain was jacking his jaw as Hairston ran the bases. That he stared into SD dugout and did his childish wave. He should have just have thought "OK. That batter was Hairston and I don't like the bat flip. Scott Hairston. Scott. With two "T"s. Number 14. I will remember this for later". End of thought.

by wilriv21 on Sep 26, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Sorry if this has been noted, but the way it was covered in the San Diego paper was that Hairston's "bat flip" was in response to Cain staring him down after the early strikeout. I missed that live and the MLB.com highlight clip cuts quickly after the K.

All of this is amusing and predictable. We pretty much back our guys' play. If roles were reversed, Cain would be getting ripped here for his histronics and Hairston lauded for his minimal response (flips bat but trots around bases at respectable speed without chirping back to Cain). Gosh, imagine if that was Milton Bradley. We can only dream for that drama. It'd be a battle of waving hands.

by Stephen @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 26, 2007 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

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Well that's it, really.  It's not supposed to make sense:  it's baseball.

When your team does something it's all good, when the other team does it it's unprofessional. That's the way it goes.   Where's that picture from this year of Klesko arrogantly posturing after a home run?   Decidedly unprofessional, but I still laugh my ass off whenever I see it.  

Ask the Padres what they think of Carlos Ruiz's takeout of Marcus Giles.  The Phillies considered it old-school and hard-nosed ball.  Nothing wrong with that, right?

by Widget on Sep 26, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Did you mean THIS picture of Klesko?

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Sep 26, 2007 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Yes!  

And I'm sorry if I'll be encouraging more bad behavior in baseball, but I have to go laugh my ass off now.  

by Widget on Sep 26, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

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I think I find this image so funny because Klesko looks like he's either a) climaxed, or b) is passionately singing the chorus from "Baby Come Back" in a seedy, smoke-filled night club in Prague.

Or perhaps both.

by Widget on Sep 26, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Anyone who thinks Brett Tomko is a perfect target of rage while Scott Hairston isn't one is likely a bit demented (at least on this particular subject).  :)

by sharksrog on Sep 26, 2007 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
The game itself obviously did not matter - as we are sunk in the standings - except that it might bring us a better draft pick - so loss is okay.  That Matt Cain misses out on a victory he so justly deserves - that sucks, just like it has the half dozen or so times it happened earlier in the season - perhaps more character building for Matt, however, one wonders just how much character building one can take during a season.  That Wilson blew the save - that sucks.  That Bochy tried to get a 5 out save - perhaps he wanted to see what the kid was made of and is conducting these types of experiments as a way of gathering intelligence for next year.  If Bochy and Wilson learn something from the experience, then it has value.  If it is true that Bonds was not available to pinch hit in the 8th or 9th because he was already in street clothes - then piss on him.

by APGiantsFan on Sep 26, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Cain vs. Hairston
I missed the beginning of the talk, perhaps it's now on KNBR, but Krukow said that this has been going on between the two for a while now and that Hairston said something (here my memory fades so it's just an impression on my part) to the effect that Cain isn't much of anything, or not going to be anything.

Which is not something to say when you are a washed up 30 year old never-was clinging to his MLB career by a lifeline.

It's all good, will give some spice to future series against the Pads.  Made me love Cain all the more, hopefully everyone can see now that we need to keep Cain, not trade him.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 26, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Cain vs. Hairston
Especially lame since Hairston is something like 2-8 against Cain with 5 or so strikeouts (not sure exactly on these stats). Sample Size Ownage? Eat it, Hairston.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Matt Cain: It's not that he's cocky, he's just better than you.  
If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Sep 26, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Maybe I just missed Hairston's documented cockiness. He hasn't been on the team that long. I do think Cain went over the top with it, just as I thought of Milton Bradley's antics in Philly.
We had four or five years of Klesko doing that. Pretty ridiculous.

Why the hate on Khalil? Because he's our Pedro Feliz (good power, solid glove, low OBP)?

by Stephen @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 26, 2007 1:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
If you haven't noticed, Khalil Greene kills the Giants.  Thus the hatred towards him.  He's the new Steve Finley.
The Maharajai steals at will (plus he's not Matt Morris).

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Sep 26, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
He always seems to go 2-4 with 2 RBI against the Giants. Ergo, we hate him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Sep 26, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Winnah.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 26, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Rage or Optimism Thread
Ipso facto, he needs to get drilled tonight.
Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

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