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756 Ball

The fate of 756 has been revealed.

The ball Barry Bonds hit for his record-breaking 756th home run will be branded with an asterisk and sent to the Baseball Hall of Fame, its owner said Wednesday.

Fashion designer Marc Ecko, who bought the ball in an online auction, set up a Web site for fans to vote on the ball's fate, and the decision to brand it won out over the other options, sending it to the museum unblemished or launching it into space.

and what does cooperstown think of this?

"We're happy to get it," he said. "We're a nonprofit history museum, so this ball wouldn't be coming to Cooperstown without Marc Ecko buying it from the fan who caught it."

seems like they couldnt care less about there being an asterisk on the ball.

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Re: 756 Ball
It will be THE symbol of an era for a lot of people.  Whatever, it's stupid, but at least it'll be staying on Planet Earth.
Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 9:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I see the fake poll has been "counted."
Lame. With a heaty helping of sauce.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 9:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: I see the fake poll has been "counted.
Yeah, a poll with proprietary results is not a poll.
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by hairball on Sep 26, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.
No way "outer space" loses out in a fair vote.

by achiappanza on Sep 27, 2007 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Let's see...this means when the ball is displayed, it will need to have an explanation of why the asterisk is there. In other words, the choice that means the most ongoing publicity for Mark Ego* is the one that won out! Isn't that a happy coincidence!

*I usually try to avoid namecalling, but in this case I'm not gonna use his real name - let him buy his own publicity.

SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Sep 26, 2007 9:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
He doesn't need YOU to buy any publicity when YOU are talking about it for free already!

A brilliant marketing strategy if you ask me.  Lame because of how he's treating the ball...but he's getting massive amounts of exposure.  Good or bad, that's all he was hoping for.  

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I am so sick of the word "asterisk."

This is a shameful publicity stunt. If/when Barry gets cleared, this is going to show the world what classless jerks they all were.

by KyrieEleison on Sep 26, 2007 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I always think of that bad pun where the poor farmer doesn't have an ass to risk, but I forget how it goes up that point and just get frustrated trying to remember.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Howzabout asterix?
I'll take Tintin any day.
SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Sep 26, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Howzabout asterix?
I <3 TinTin!
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by Natto on Sep 26, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Marc Ecko can do what he wants -- it's his money, after all -- but I just think that whole vote and asterisk thing is lame. What a terrible waste of $750k just to try to prove some point about cheating in baseball. That money could have fed 100 people for a year.

I guess it just makes me sad, that's all. There are all these people with wads of money and they have no idea what to do with it. They can't do anything of value, they can't do anything of good for society, so instead they make these grand but empty gestures.

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Sep 26, 2007 10:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Oh give me a break already!  It isn't about the ball...it isn't about the wasted &750k either...It's about the exposure he's getting now, and will continue to get.  Stop wishing the guy was some sort of saint and realize that he's a businessman first and foremost.  For all you know, he could be giving regularly to charity, and that's more than can be said for many of us.

He realized that there was massive attention over an f'ing baseball.  He purchased said baseball at which point it became a first rate marketing opportunity.    Cheers to Mark Ecko for proving to all of us that sometimes we put "value" into things that in any other case, are worthless.

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Companies spend a lot more than 750 k on marketing campaigns from advertisers and this situation really got Ecko's name out there.  Now my parents know who he is at least.
Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
And I rest my case.  Damn fine $$$ spent if you ask me.
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
You're awfully quick to applaud a guy for turning something with emotional significance for a lot of people into a marketing opportunity. If he wants to advertise, let him advertise on the square, rather than pretending he's not.

by Evan on Sep 26, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
You're proving my point precisely.  This whole charade is nothing but a commentary on the "emotional significance" we place on rather arbitrary objects.

It's a baseball dude...that's all it is...all it ever will be.  It isn't going to cure cancer.  It isn't anything but nostalgia.  Even for nostalgia this ranks pretty damn low in the spectrum.

A piece of the Berlin Wall, Lincoln's topcoat, the original flag by Betsy Ross...this are things that are important and have a story behind them that should be passed down from generation to generation.  The baseball is nothing but a piece of sports history.  A piece of entertainment kitsch...no more important than Wacko Jacko's sequined glove or Dorthy's ruby red slippers.

I haven't ever heard Ecko say this ISN'T advertising.  Frankly, if you read between the lines and think about things objectively, you too will see this for what it is.  

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I do see it for what it is; I just don't like it. I'm sick to death of people trying to figure out ways to sell me shit. That's life nowadays, fine, but I'm not going to applaud the man for it. I never heard of him before this whole thing, but he has now been branded for me as a tacky, annoying twat.

by Evan on Sep 26, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
You're right...he's tacky, he's annoying, and he's probably a twat....but you DO know who he is.  That's all he was going for.

Think about Paris Hilton in that respect.  Has she ever done anything that warrants the kind of attention she receives?  She f'ing dryhumped a car in the skimpiest of swimsuits and sold millions of Carl's Junior hamburgers along the way.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't be so upset with the people trying to sell you product XYZ.  You should be mad at the nation full of idiot consumers who buy, buy, buy, based on trends, fads, and the like.

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Well, she did give the ultimate head in House of Wax, too.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Welcome to America.
Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Welcome to capitalism and free enterprise is more like it.
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Exactly.  If the pole resuts had this guy donating the ball to Cooperstown unblemished we would all be prasing Ecko for being so fair and democratic about the whole thing.  It ain't his fault.  

If you feel upset, blame the droves of ignorant American morans who voted for the ball to be branded.  People so frustrated and upset with Barry Bonds that they find pleasure in having the ball sitting in a museum defaced.  Its Johnnie Ray from suburban West Virginia who is still angry with Barry for leaving the Pirates.  And its Blake from San Diego who has never actually watched all 9 innings of a baseball game but somebody told him the Padres were totally sweet and that he isn't supposed to like "this one dude named Bonds".

Sharlon Schoop: "It's only stealing if you get caught...more than 54% of the time"

by Woody Wins on Sep 26, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Not to mention that both Johnnie Ray and Blake will be buying thousands of dollars of Ecko merchandise to up that street cred a bit and fit in with the homies!
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Agreed. Mark Ecko doesn't give two tw*ts about baseball.

(This * thing is only worth about one or two more goes, methinks, before it's just completely saturated in lame)

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Wow!

"couldn't give two tw*ts about..."

Can I steal that from you?  It will go nicely with my assorted Brit. vernacular slang.  Ranks right up there with wanker, tosspot, and ballocks.  

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Absolutely, take it away. :)
Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Dumb question, but are you from the UK, or just an Anglophile??  I've never been able to figure it out, and we haven't met in person.

by Skaldheim on Sep 26, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Not a dumb question at all.  I'm the worlds biggest Anglophile.  BBC America is only one of the greatest channels ever, their beer is top notch, there's nothing better than some quality bangers and mash for lunch, and then there's the whole footy thing too.  I do have roots to the Preston/Blackburn part of England though.  
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 26, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Um ... nice. Maybe Cooperstown can display it with the asterisk side to the wall.
Notgardo may be afraid to catch Niekro's knuckler. Mama didn't raise no fool.

by tk on Sep 26, 2007 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
here's hoping, and guessing, they will
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Sep 26, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I'm in favor of donning it with a mini Superman cape to cover up the asterisk side. If Cooperstowne doesn't heed my petition, I'm planning a daring late night break in.

Which, btw, anybody know where I can get my hands on a roughly baseball sized red cape...? You know, for my hamster?

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Nah, the ball needs a sweet smoking jacket, because it's cool like that.

(Just wait until Halloween - I'm sure if you find the right store, you should be able to find a costume for those teeny little dogs that people carry around in their purses.)

by KyrieEleison on Sep 26, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
It sounds like Cooperstown is all for the asterisk.  It really almost sounds like they're glad that now they don't have to make the decision of putting an asterisk on the plaque next to the ball.
Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Laaaaaaaaame.
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Sep 26, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Would you like some sauce to go with that lame? I highly recommend the sauce.
Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
No, I'm fine. Thank you. I would like a refill on BS though.
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Sep 26, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
We're running low n BS right now. If you want to stick around though, we should have a new shipment tonight, right around 7:00.
Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
It's extra heaty!
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by EliminateMe on Sep 26, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I'm glad we're evaluating the historical significance of this event almost two months after it happened.
Steve Kline: Pretty okay, but only on a whole season basis and not based on what he's doing now.

by groug on Sep 26, 2007 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I actually think this asterisk business is a fantastic idea.  It gives the ball much more significance, standing not only for Bonds' achievement, but the steroids scandal and fan disgust.  The ball will stand for a whole era in baseball history.  I think those of you who think the Hall will try to hide or obscure the asterisk are mistaken.  Fans will come to look at the ball specifically to see the asterisk and the curators know that very well.  The asterisk will make the ball the most popular and talked about object in the hall, for sure.  Also, I really get the feeling that a lot of "higher ups" in MLB think Barry's getting his just desserts.

I think some of you guys need to take a step back and separate your love of the Giants from Barry.  There really seems to be little doubt that he (like a number of players) used steroids.  He admitted he did in his BALCO testimony...he just said he didn't know he was consuming steroids, which is obviously nonsense.

by OctopusLime on Sep 26, 2007 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It always seems the posts..
Criticizing us are from people with one post.
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by WalrusMan on Sep 26, 2007 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
I'm not sure I perceive how the number of posts I have made relates to the validity of my points.

Oh, I have 2 posts now.

by OctopusLime on Sep 26, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
Not that it specifically applies to you, but a lot of the time it's just some dodger/yankee troll making a username for one flyby asshole comment, and we never see them again because they got their worthless yaya off by calling us some brand of sh*tfaced moron fanbase.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to me..
Yes I admit that if I haven't seen a name I don't take his position as seriously as I would others.  It's just from being online for 5+ years on message boards where newbies come on and state things that are absurd.  Also there is the Barry hating trolls that do come onto this site.  So sorry if that offended you, but no offense to you in particular, offense to all newbies until I recognize your name.
Lance Niekro AAA Watch: 108 AB .287/.352/.463 6 2B 2 3B 3 HR 11 BB -- 0.2 IP 27.00 ERA 3 H 0 BB 0 K (through 8/19)

by WalrusMan on Sep 26, 2007 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
It always amazes me that non-Giants fans think that Giants fans, unlike the rest of the world, just haven't thought through the whole Bonds/steroids questions.

by Evan on Sep 26, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
I haven't made any assumptions.  I just stated a point and a criticism of some comments in here suggesting that the jury is still somehow out on whether he used steroids.  Barry testified in the BALCO grand jury hearings that he did use steroids.  Baseball just can't punish him based on that testimony because those proceedings were technically "sealed" and we all only know about it because the testimony was leaked.  While one can take the position, I suppose, that it was unethical to leak Barry's testimony, I don't see why that would require one to treat Barry like it wasn't and pretend that his explosion of home runs in his late 30's was just a product of good genes.

Since you've given it some thought, what's your view?

by OctopusLime on Sep 26, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
Thanks for the link.  Don't get me wrong.  I am not arguing that Barry isn't a special player or that Giants fans shouldn't root for the guy.  But there's a difference between rooting for a flawed hero (there have been plenty of those through history) and consciously maintaining oneself in a state of belligerent denial.  It's possible to accept that Barry used steroids (a load of players did and have) and still love him as a fan.  But it doesn't reflect well on Giant fans when they pretend that the outrage which is understandably felt throughout the country over Bonds' steroid use reflects some kind of irrational bias.  Like it or not, by using steroids to knock Hank Aaron out as the all-time HR king (and let's be clear about this, without steroids, Bonds almost certainly doesn't hit 600 HRs), Bonds has made himself a symbol for the entire steroid scandal.  And so he gets an extra special helping of fan ire.  This is the special place in baseball lore which Bonds has constructed for himself.  If it upsets you that your hero is looked upon by fans in other parts as a cheat, don't blame those fans.  Blame Barry.  That's where the blame lies.  And even if you blame him, you can still love him and miss him when he's gone.

by OctopusLime on Sep 26, 2007 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
The mere idea that steroids have allowed any player in baseball to hit almost 175 extra homeruns in their career has just made me stop taking you seriously. It's like the "scientist" who said that steroids make it 50% more likely that any ball you hit will be a homerun, when that means that any 40 homerun guy would suddenly be a 60 homerun guy, and history proves that's just a moronic assertion.
Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
What he said. See also Grant's front-page post: We've all had this conversation dozens of times, and it gets wearying, because more often than not you find yourself debating with someone who actually believes that it's possible to hit 175 home runs by taking medication, which to me is about like believing you can teach a chicken to read ancient Greek by hypnotizing her.

Anyway, the Cliff's Notes version:

  1. I think popular conception of the effect that steroids have on baseball players is fantastically overblown. Show me anything other than anecdotal evidence that they change anyone's game dramatically and we'll talk.
  2. Pre-1999, Bonds was one of the ten or fifteen greatest players in the history of the game. Is it really so hard to believe that a man with that kind of talent -- along with a ruthless baseball intelligence and access to improvements in sports medicine that Ruth and Williams and DiMaggio and Mays never could have imagined -- would be capable of refining and upgrading his game as he gets older?
  3. This is probably a minority opinion among Giants fans, but I personally don't see much difference between PEDs and weight training, eyeglasses and eye surgery, use of videotape, etc. And insofar as it's cheating, I don't see much difference between the use of PEDs and bat-corking, spitballs, phantom tags, and pretending you've caught a ball that in fact you trapped.
  4. Barry's mastery of the game blows away any other player I've ever seen. Until he starts kicking children or molesting dogs or something, whatever moral disapproval his behavior and personality may cause me to feel is going to be utterly trumped by the fact that watching the man play baseball is just a joy.

by Evan on Sep 26, 2007 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
Your post really sort of morphs the discussion.  It's no longer about whether Barry took steroids.  You seem to tacitly acknowledge that he probably did.  Now you're just questioning whether it really mattered and well, I'm not going to be able to refer you to a scientific study that shows with 99.9% certainty the likely impact of a 200 lb. ballplayer taking steroids.  If it is your view that Barry may have taken steroids, but you just don't really care if he did, well I think that at least that's a more honest view than maintaining that nobody's proved Barry took steroids.

by OctopusLime on Sep 26, 2007 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
I think very few people try to argue that Bonds might not have taken steroids. What almost every rational fan I know believes is that there is a remarkable inequity between the treatment of Barry Bonds and the treatment of every single one of the hundreds of other players involved in the scandal (Palmeiro very strangely excluded), and we're not interested in taking part in the hypocrisy as fans regardless of Bonds's individual actions.

And it helps that he's basically made baseball watchable in SF for the last 15 years.

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
It's funny...actually if you look at McGuire and Sosa, and assume that perhaps they were taking steroids during their big HR years, you can plausibly see from their career stats that those steroids may very well have turned 40 HR guys into 60HR guys.

Look, I don't know the actual amount of homers Barry would have hit if he didn't take steroids.  It's speculative and I'll admit that.  Furthermore, who knows whether the steroids made him more injury prone than he would otherwise have been and maybe cost him to lose some HRs during certain periods (or maybe it made him less so -- I don't know).  But it seems like common sense that taking a chemical which makes you stronger so you can swing the bat harder would allow you to put up a lot more HRs.  I mean, if you could increase your bat speed just a little so your fly balls go an extra 5-10 feet, that makes for a lot more HRs over the course of a season.  Considering Barry's involvement with BALCO starting around 2000 and the huge boost in his SLG beginning in 1999 and for the next several years after that, and looking at the number of player-seasons with 60+ HRs all compressed into a few years when it seems baseball had a major steroid problem (when nobody had touched 60 for 40 years before that), I'd say it's pretty hard to doubt the power of those chemicals.

by OctopusLime on Sep 26, 2007 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that steroids did not contribute to the homerun boom of the "steroid era," but I think their effects get pretty exaggerated by almost everybody, especially considering this same period was when so many new ballparks were opening with smaller dimensions, and the wood in the bat was changed to a lighter wood (right? I could be making that last one up completely), and so on and so on blah blah blah.
Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
I'm not sure if they use lighter wood in the bats, but I do think theyve been able to develop bats with harder wood without making them significantly heavier.

Harder wood produces better results.  That's what she said. (In honor of tonight's "The Office" season premier.)

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by Goofus on Sep 27, 2007 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
OckLime, most of your posts seem pretty sensible, even if there's parts that most of us have arrived at different conclusions on.  I agree with the objection on the value of juice, and I also believe that anyone who says "Willie Mays would have hit 800 home runs if it wasn't for Candlestick and the war" are equally off-base.  I don't know who's done a study on how many Barry homers are just barely out vs. balls that are just barely in, but it seems to me he hasn't hit all that many just barely out.

From my point of view, steroids are a problem (a pervasive one) in every sport mostly for the health risk to people who will never be pros.  I would hate to be a kid who felt he needed to juice to make a team.

Most of us here are weary of Barry being singled out for steroid heckling/persecution/whatever, but I also think you're right that it was about the HR chase.  So he can't really say he didn't know the deal, but man, that guy performs under pressure and scrutiny like NOBODY else.

I'm glad to see all the energy of haters dissipate after 756.  If anyone is still beating the drum about getting Barry off the field, then at least they'll be showing a little integrity at this point.  Outrage just seems to have more sincerity when it's about a principle and not a record.

by achiappanza on Sep 27, 2007 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It always seems the posts..
I blame Jose Canseco.  Seriously.
Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Sep 26, 2007 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I'm glad people get their opinions on things from sportswriters, because sportswriters are really really smart and also not at all prone to overreaction or branding people into certain categories.
Steve Kline: Pretty okay, but only on a whole season basis and not based on what he's doing now.

by groug on Sep 26, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Here's an article from the SF Chronicle I pulled up on Google, which I don't think is by a sportswriter.  

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL

by OctopusLime on Sep 26, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is lame.
I remember thinking that the first time I saw the poll.  The real question is, how many Bonds haters sat there and clicked the brand button a million times?
Lance Niekro AAA Watch: 108 AB .287/.352/.463 6 2B 2 3B 3 HR 11 BB -- 0.2 IP 27.00 ERA 3 H 0 BB 0 K (through 8/19)

by WalrusMan on Sep 26, 2007 2:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I don't know what I'm more sick of talk about Barry and steroids or these a*7holes with their holier than thou attitudes who have never really considered the possiblity that Barry didn't do steroids.  

I thought in our country a person is innocent until proven guilty; Bonds' treatment is the exact opposite of this.

The asterik was the vote I was expecting so there's no surprise.  It's an American game and it's become pretty clear that most people in our country have their heads up their a**.    

Still I hope some fan out there drops a bomb on Cooperstown if they display this ball.  And hopefully they do in when this Ecko SOB is in the building.  
 

Zealously advocating for Nate the Great since 2007.

by orangeandblackattack on Sep 26, 2007 10:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
I honestly doubt there was ever a vote to begin with. The page the vote took place on was very bare bones, didn't track cookies, called for no e-mail registration, and didn't keep any sort of running track of the results. Ecko jusr did what entertained him the most, and hundreds of thousands of people think they have something to do with it.
Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 26, 2007 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 756 Ball
Absolutely.  Even to a guy buying that much publicity, the marginal cost of an asterisk vs. sending a ball into space is significant.

by achiappanza on Sep 27, 2007 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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