Call me...out of ideas
Billy Beane used to call Erubiel Durazo his "white whale", which meant that Durazo was a player Beane had coveted for a long time. "White whale" is a reference to the Mastodon album "Leviathan" , which rocks so hard that the white whale reference was rocked back in time to Beane before the album came out. There are still some holes in that theory, but if you can think of a more logical explanation for where the term "white whale" came from, I'd like to read it.
Point is, a white whale -- at least, in baseball terms -- is a player who you think would fit your team perfectly. My white whale used to be Asdrubal Cabrera of the Indians. He's a 21-year-old shortstop who is reputed to have a great glove. He had a fantastic season in AAA, and the Indians already had a long-term shortstop with Jhonny Peralta.
Alas, Cabrera is now close to untouchable. He's in the majors, and he's playing well. It probably would take something more than a Sanchez or Lowry to pry him away.
I've moved on. My new white whale is Steven Pearce. He's a right-handed hitter with power, he plays a position at which the Giants don't have any prospects, and he's blocked by Adam LaRoche. There are some problems, of course:
- The last couple of times the Giants have dealt with the Pirates, it, uh, hasn't gone so well for the Pirates. So the new GM for the Pirates probably won't be allowed to talk to Sabean.
- That's about it.
Comment starter: Your white whale. Free agent or trade, who is the one player you'd target if you were a GM?
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by Grant Brisbee on Sep 20, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
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Woops...sorry there. Just a bad habit of mine.
by PacBellBoozer on Sep 20, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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Edwin Encarnacion sort of fits that for me---a young, inexpensive player with serious value that fills a major need on the Giants, and who is under-appreciated by his current club.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 20, 2007 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoby Whatnow
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Sep 20, 2007 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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"The white whale itself, for example, has been read as symbolically representative of good and evil, as has Ahab. The white whale has also been seen as a metaphor for the elements of life that are out of our control, or God.
The Pequod's quest to hunt down Moby-Dick itself is also widely viewed as allegorical. To Ahab, killing the whale becomes the ultimate goal in his life, and this observation can also be expanded allegorically so that the whale represents everyone's goals."
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by southcitysteve on Sep 20, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
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It would be especially cool if you already knew the term you're pretending to look for.
That would be cool.
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(Scholars = me)
by howtheyscored on Sep 20, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
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Of course my boys just gave Derby their first and probably only win of the season.
by PacBellBoozer on Sep 20, 2007 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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Moby Dick you say?
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I was worried that people would think I was serious, so I even put a Moby Dick reference in the title. Heh.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 20, 2007 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
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I'd never heard of Mastodon, which either dates me or points out that I'm not into metal. My preference in hard rock is more along the lines of SRV, Hendrix and Led Zeppelin...
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This can happen. It's only a matter of time before Ned Colletti figures out that he can sabotage the archrivals to the north by dumping his prospects on them, thereby blocking the Giants from acquiring the savvy veterans that are the key to baseball success.
I just hope Sabean doesn't figure out some way to foil his fiendish plan.
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The Dodgers need savvy veterans and/or pitchers, and we gots plenty.
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B) Find team in desparate need of starting pitching = St. Louis Cardinals.
C) Locate young potential power-hitting superstar that's near major league ready = Colby Rasmus of the St. Louis Cardinals.
D) For the love of God make a trade for Colby Rasmus of the St. Louis Cardinals!
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by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 20, 2007 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 20, 2007 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Sep 20, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 20, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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He played 2B in college for Stanford and is a little stretched at SS, his first step is slow from what I've read, but he is a patient hitter with some pop for a middle infielder. He's blocked right now by Lugo - I'm sure the Sox would much rather move Lugo - and Pedrioa has locked up the starting 2B job, leaving Lowrie no place to play on the Red Sox.
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I guess my white whale that the Giants could realistically acquire would have to be Yunel Escobar. I love his swing and though it would be hard to pry him from the Braves, they do have a pretty stacked IF with Kelly Johnson, C Jones, Renteria and Lillibridge coming up.
The Braves will defenitely be looking to upgrade their pitching staff and OF next year with A Jones leaving and lord knows we have plenty of pitching and young OFs. I'd like Lillibridge too but Escobar is defenitely my white whale.
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2007 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
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just sayin'...
by Mark carry on on Sep 20, 2007 2:12 PM PDT reply actions
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by Mark carry on on Sep 20, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
weird
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- He averaged nearly a strikeout an inning in his first 200 big league innings with good control (over 2 K/BB)
- He's left-handed, 23 years old and only 2 years of service time.
- He had a whole mess of problems this year so his stock dropped in a big way.
by JSully on Sep 20, 2007 2:46 PM PDT reply actions
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I like the Olsen idea, and we've already got his buddy "Mess". Apparently they have been pining for another since the separation (though Randy still thinks he's in Fla sometimes, because of the hat). Dunno about Vanden Hurk.
I also mentioned the Quentin possibility to a friend the other day, and he poo-pooed. He's had a terrible year - and folks say that most AZ players have way inflated minors stats - but I seem to remember him hitting the ball REALLY hard when he first came up.
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I like Quentin as a potential buy cheap sorta guy, but wheres he going to play? The Giants OF is pretty full.
I thought Tyler Walker was a white whale...
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 20, 2007 2:59 PM PDT reply actions
definitely Joey Votto
smaller, lesser white whales would be: Joe Koshansky and Kendry Morales.
Andy LaRoche would be like a white dolphin or something....
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 20, 2007 3:04 PM PDT reply actions
Re: definitely Joey Votto
Not going to happen now, looks like they gave him the first base job. I'm guessing he ends up being Rookie of Year in 2008.
by seyheystretch on Sep 20, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Wood
Mighty Casey has not struck out
Jordan Brown
Akron Aeros (1B/OF)
Jordan Brown is an example of a guy we could actually pry away. He just graduated AA and he's not built like a monster truck, making him less likely to garner attention as a 1B prospect. Unfortunately he screwed things up a little by winning the Eastern League batting title! Still, he's blocked by Indians' cornerstone (who is built like a monster truck) Travis Hafner and Ryan Garko.
He's on the older side at 23, but he hasn't been held back at any level.
2006, Carolina (A) - .836 OPS
2007, Akron (AA) - .905 OPS
Good discipline, could develop HR power, but should be solid doubles-type for our ballpark.
p.s: Jed Lowrie would be a nice add if we could get him. Unfortunately he rebounded this year and seems bound for the show as a Red Sock.
by Nathan on Sep 20, 2007 3:45 PM PDT reply actions
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Since Ichiro obviously isn't going anywhere, I like Joe Nathan, for karmic balancing reasons. (although with Sabean's karma, we would be looking at 4 yrs/$44m for a blown out arm).
Can I make an entire turn-over of Giant coaches my white whale?
Manager: Steve Decker
Bench Coach: Bob Brenley
Hitting Coach: Dusty Baker
1B Coach: Will Clark
3B Coach: Robby Thompson
Bullpen catcher: Mike Matheney
Also, sign Scott Garrelts as minor league bullpen coach.
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If nothing else he could play 3rd and 1st against lefties if we can somehow acquire better options at those spots.
Mmmm
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As a future White Whale why not Johan Santana? Zito should come around late next season with the Giants in the cellar. We ship Zito off to a desparate-for-starting-pitching-depleted Yankees, who have always thought highly of Barry Zito. Don't ask why.
With the money saved we sign Santana when he becomes available in 2009. (You notice I'm already holding my nose and looking beyond 2008?)
by DiMaggio Fan on Sep 20, 2007 5:10 PM PDT reply actions
How much crazy/old man are you?
by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 20, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
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Ummm, except he got the record and we would have sucked anyway.
by howtheyscored on Sep 20, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Sep 20, 2007 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Hold it--
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by DiMaggio Fan on Sep 20, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Sep 20, 2007 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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Like a glossy paint job and a garden party while the termites are eating the building apart from the inside.
As for the record - that may yet turn sour. We've got the ball set for God knows what fate - fired off into space? We've got an unforgiving prosecutor - we've got George Mitchell - Pyrrhic Victory seems still possible.
But Bonds shots were still fun, I admit.
by DiMaggio Fan on Sep 20, 2007 5:55 PM PDT reply actions
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It just doesn't click sometimes
I think he once told us that as a kid he actually watched the Yankee Clipper.
Who've we seen lately that we can post about fifty years from now? Gettysburg Feliz?
;-)
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he is batting something like .290 with 14 home runs as the reds everyday third baseman and hes only 24 years old
i know angel villalona is really good and all but i've heard he might have to make the move to first base despite his strong arm (he made 18 errors in 52 games while in rookie ball)
Plus the reds are in need of some pitching
like a lot of pitching
by Frogger91w9 on Sep 20, 2007 8:37 PM PDT reply actions
Edwin Klesko Encarnacion
7 guys who play regularly are ahead of mighty Ed, and only the rookie leadoff hitter and the catcher are behind him. (4 outfielder system with Griffey out a lot)
Yep, sounds like Sabe will sign Ed E to hit cleanup
by foothillsfan on Sep 21, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
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Dude. Holy Grail, not white whale
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by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2007 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I did...
Here's the Mayor anyway: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/comments/2007/9/20/16646/7724/59#59
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I don't know if trading within the division for prospects really works, but yeah, Joe Koshansky would be nice.
Grant mentioned Steven Pearce, but I wonder if his arrival means Adam LaRoche's time is up. There was a BP article that mentioned the possibility of them trading LaRoche and Jose Bautista to us for a package with Sanchez in it.
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by southcitysteve on Sep 21, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
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by JSully on Sep 21, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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by southcitysteve on Sep 21, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
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My current white whale is Josh Fieldes - I think he could be our 3b for a few years. I'd love to pick through the Tampa surplus, but I don't know if Sabean has the capacity to not get snookered.
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by JSully on Sep 21, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
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Nothing wrong with taking a risk here and there, a la Magglio Ordonez without such a hefty price tag. It's only a suggestion. But do I think he could help? Yep, I do.
J.P. Howell
- Tampa has too many starters as it is, and the Giants don't have a ton of position prospects worth anything.
- Lowry needs a good ballpark/defense/both to succeed. His sparkly ERA would usually obscure this, except...
- Andrew Friedman is their G.M. He's young and appears to be relatively bright, so he knows how to use a computer and probably grasps the fact Tampa's historically bad defense won't help out Lowry much.
by JSully on Sep 21, 2007 1:44 PM PDT reply actions

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