OT: Shawne Merriman Rant
Is anyone else sickened by all the Shawne Merriman ads? HELLLOOOO, EARTH TO AMERICA!!!!?? Unlike many of the baseball players that have been villified for allegedly taking steroids, Merriman actually FAILED A TEST FOR PEDS!!! And yet he is still appearing in ads for Nike, setting a horrific example for America's youth:
'Even if you take steroids, as long as you are a football player, Nike will still pay you to represent them.' I can't beleive people still argued that Merriman deserved Best Defensive Player of the Year. Just do it.
I've always been a baseball guy, and have watched my beloved sport blunder itself to 2nd place in the hearts of many of my peers. I just don't get it...I guess the reason I've never really been able to get as excited about football is that I wouldn't want to subject myself to that kind of punishment everyday. The tragic Kevin Everett injury last night was another example of why I will do my damndest to discourage my future children from playing such a brutal sport.
The double standard regarding steroids in the NFL and the MLB needs to change. Look at Rick Ankiel and look at Merriman. Ankiel's career will forever be in shadow, while Merriman has gotten a free pass (don't give me the bs "He served his suspension" justification...that doesn't fly). Ankiel has never failed a test and does not have the cartoon body of McGwire or Bonds and he will probably never appear in a Nike commercial even when it looked like Disney and Universal were going to go to war over his life story. And yet we see a convicted steroid user running around on our TV and pictured in our magazines.
In a league where you HAVE to get bigger just to survive, and where most of the money is not guaranteed in the contracts, the lure of PEDs must far exceed the attraction in baseball. Plus PEDs probably make you a much better football player than a baseball player (anyone is welcome to argue that). I would bet that more than 3/4 of the NFL take PEDs. I have nothing to back that up except for the fact that I sure as hell would if I have 300-lb gladiators trying to break every bone in my body.
I suspect that much of the drug use in the NFL is covered up because it is assumed no one really cares if football players juice up. It looks like that assumption may be correct and I am sickened by it. The NFL, to me, is going down a dark road and its only a matter of time before they get what is coming to them. 2nd place.
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"Upshaw remains adamant that blood testing is not open for discussion because there is no reliable HGH test. 'I'm still not willing to have our players stuck like a pin cushion,' Upshaw said. 'What use would it be for you to find something out two or three years from now and we've already played games? We have 25 percent turnover each year. What good is that? It's almost like changing the speed-limit sign after you've passed.'"
by southcitysteve on Sep 10, 2007 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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Where is the justice in that? What kind of example is that setting? What exactly is your point by pointing out the Ankiel situation is different?
by southcitysteve on Sep 10, 2007 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
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Almost forgot the picture to go with it!
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by UnleashTheGore on Sep 11, 2007 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
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I'm so fed up with the people out there putting these guys on a pedestal for our youth. You've clearly failed as a parent if your child can get more inspiration from an athlete or entertainer than from the very people who have brought them up.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 11, 2007 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
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And yes I would teach my future children that idolizing atheletes is pretty silly and hopefully he/she will listen but that doesn't stop the children who don't have adequate parents from idolizing a steroid user in TV commercials.
The bottom line and reason for my rant was: Of all the NFL players Nike could have put in their commercial, they chose Shawne Merriman, steroid-user, and that is wrong. Before you insult my non-existent parenting skills again, please tell me how I am wrong.
by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
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This isn't about nature v. nurture, as you're implying...there's nothing natural about slacking off on the parenting skills and having the audacity to blame Brittney, Mike Vick, or Wacko Jacko for their own shortcomings.
I don't have children either, but to throw your hands in the air and say that it's inevitable is a bullshit excuse.
As for why Nike chose Merriman...who knows. In the very same commercial they have Joey Porter and Ladanian Tomlinson don't they?
by PacBellBoozer on Sep 11, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
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I'm just sick of everyone blaming it on the parents just like you're sick of atheletes being put on pedestals. Parenting is probably the hardest task one can take on if life and there is no perfect way to raise a child. A lot of kids grow up in fed up family situations and turn out fine. There are a lot of factors that go into how an individual matures and learns right from wrong.
I'm not throwing my hands in the air and saying it's inevitable (not sure what you mean by that. kids idolizing atheletes?) I'm just saying that Shawne Merriman shouldn't be endorsing anyone's product because that is an endorsement for doing drugs. Throwing my hands in the air to me would be saying its okay for him to be getting a free pass by society after testing positive for PEDs. He has served a suspension, fine, he was denied DPotY, fine, but he should not be able to get endorsement deals. It is evidence of a double standard in football and baseball because no one in baseball would be able to do Nike ads if the situation were the same.
I have nothing against Joey Porter and LT, just Shawne Merriman. Not sure what your point is there.
by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
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The NFL has their own policies regarding PED's, but there's not a chance in hell that they'd willingly get involved in a private business relationship between a player and a company who'd like to market that player and sell more gear.
Your beef should be with Nike, not with the league.
Look at what happened when Nike faced PETA in the Mike Vick case. They folded like you wouldn't believe...but not because the NFL had a policy in place. I'm not denying the fact that the NFL has a somewhat lax program for testing...but there's no way they'll ever have the power to stop a player from entering business with another company for sponsorship reasons.
by PacBellBoozer on Sep 11, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
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My beef this whole time has been with Nike and the rest of America for giving Merriman a free pass. I never thought or said the NFL should or can prevent Merriman from doing ads. If I said anywhere that the NFL should stop Merriman from doing ads please point it out to me.
Maybe we need a moderator for this discussion who can help translate. I need to know what about my rant has anything to do with communism.
by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The Youth Don't Care
I remember when I played frosh football in highschool - way back in '84 - yikes!. We had a pretty good team. We beat other teams up and we had some decent players for a small school. Anyway, we had played almost half a season before I realized that many of the players on the team were taking speed before games.
Specifically, we were playing a road game in a town about 20 miles down the highway. I saw some of the other players taking pills before that game and wondered aloud to friend about what it was that they were taking. I vaguely remember my friend being surprised that I was so clueless. He told me what the pills were and explained that a lot of guys were taking them before games.
Even though I started at RG, I was never offered any pills and if I had been offered, would have absolutely declined. I wasn't the typical jock and was able to survive on that team because I learned how to cut block the hell out of people to make up for my athletic shortcomings.
It wasn't a surprise that it wasn't offered to me, but I know that players were taking speed for the same reason I resorted to cut blocking - which if You know, isn't a nice way to play the line. They did it because they wanted to play. They did it because they wanted to have an edge and they wanted to win.
I firmly believe that is the same today as it was then. These athletes in high school are driven by competition to be the best and to be popular, to be liked. They see drugs as an opportunity to reach these goals faster and to a higher level. It's exactly the same reason academic competitors take everything from ritalin to no-doze. In the mind of the young, the benefit is seen and the negative is ignored.
So I am also sick of hearing the "role model" BS. No one on the team back in 84 was taking speed because their role model was doing the same. They did because if the played well, chicks dug them, coach played them and the crowd cheered for them.
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Atheletes will always look for a competitive edge and drugs enable them to perform at high levels. Kids may not take them because their role models take them but should someone at the highest level of the most popular sport in America be in a commercial for an internationally recognizable brand like Nike?
by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
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The youth of this country are NOT going to see the ad and say, "Well, since Nike is paying him money to be on an ad, maybe I should use steroids too."
Merriman has the ad with Nike, because it brings money to the Nike coffers. Should Nike be more concerned with their bottom line than putting a player who was suspended on the air? Maybe, maybe not, but maybe Nike should have permanently dumped Jordan because he was caught in the gambling ring?
And what about the sports stars who are convicted or accused of tax fraud? what about the ones who cheat on their wives?
Where does it end? Not everyone is a good person. They have their jobs because of their abilities, not because they are good citizens.
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"I believe this drug business -- is gonna destroy us in the years to come. I mean, it's not like gambling or liquor -- even women -- which is something that most people want nowadays, and is ah forbidden to them by the pezzonovante of the Church. Even the police departments that've helped us in the past with gambling and other things are gonna refuse to help us when in comes to narcotics. And I believed that -- then -- and I believe that now."
Is it hypocritical that I'm quoting a fictional mob boss? Yeah probably but I will use any excuse to quote The Godfather. But my point is drugs are different from gambling, tax fraud and adultery because of the potential harmful effects on the human body.
Kids may not see the ad and think its okay to use steroids, but Merriman in that ad is a sign that this country gives too much leeway to football players who use PEDs. And when those kids get older and are faced with the decision to use or to not, they will remember that Merriman got caught and he still turned out great. Heck he was even in a Nike commercial not even a year later. Merriman is a convicted drug user and he should be allowed to do his job (play football) but choosing him to endorse a product is just wrong.
by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
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by PacBellBoozer on Sep 11, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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We can either continue the argument or you can keep suggesting I do things that are completely out of my power/desire.
by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
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It had very little to do with the actual dangers of the drugs.
That said there's a huge difference between heroine/cocaine and PEDs.
Yes, drugs affect the body more than tax fraud or adultery, but as long as the use doesn't become abusive (which is a whole different subject), drug use only affects the user.
I just can't get all up in arms about a guy who takes a drug in order to do his job better.
Also please stop using the term convicted. Merriman has not been convicted of anything. He tested positive for something his employer banned and he was suspended because of it.
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by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
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"In 10 years they'll be putting this stuff in the water supply"
(I might have misquoted... but it's from Gross Point Blank)
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I'm interested to see how long fans can maintain the hysteria as name after name after name comes out.
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a hell of a lot of steroid use, i would agree with that...i have a hard time believing that at least
half of the NFL isnt on some kind of steroids/hgh or
something else..they keep getting bigger and faster
all the time - i dont know how they only end up suspending a few players a year for steroid use...
these players must learn how to dope their urine samples early on, maybe by college or something...
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 11, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
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Say it ain't so, Grant. Think of the children!
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 11, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
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by PacBellBoozer on Sep 11, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 11, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
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by PacBellBoozer on Sep 11, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 11, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 11, 2007 8:23 AM PDT reply actions
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by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
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But enough on that, that Nike commercial kicks butt, and not because of Merrman or Stephen Davis; the "Last of the Mohicans" theme music is my all-time favorite motion picture score. (Better than "Star Wars", "LOTR" and "Batman")
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And fairness? Football isn't fair. Never was. The guys who work the hardest and are most vital to a team's success are the linemen, and hardly anyone gives them credit or fame.
I'm trying not to rant here, but it's hard not to be bitter about the blatant double standard.
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ending up with brain damage from so many hits/concussions...NFLPA isnt helping much either
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by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
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by southcitysteve on Sep 11, 2007 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
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Baseball has a longer history and is the more cerebral game to watch. Additionally, many of us in the stands see a sport that we think we're not all that far from being able to do. We like to see a "fairness" when players from different eras are compared. Even though there are many differences between eras (segragation, mound height, etc), the stats are often pretty comparable. PEDs upsets a lot of what people like about the game. I think they want to identify with players that are "realistic".
Football, on the other hand, is played by cartoon-like gladiators. It's a game without the history and one that looked very different just 30 years ago. It's much more difficult to imagine myself breaking through 265 pound linebackers than it is to imagine myself diving for a soft liner in CF. Just as the Romans didn't seem to be bothered with prospects of gladiators risking their health to entertain, neither do we as a society.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/09/11/tuesday.scoop/index.html
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Please, please, whatever greater power is listening, let this just be the beginning of the media FINALLY realizing how crappy of a job they've done on this story for the last 20 years.

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