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Everyone here has seen the clips of Hank Aaron lifting one into the Atlanta bullpen, running around the bases, and being joined by two immortal long-hairs while rounding second. It's baseball. It's a clip you'd loop and put on a space shuttle's video screen to explain American sports to aliens. It's a clip you'd see before Mel Allen dug out his T.W.I.B. Notes. It's a clip you'd see in random places - in a movie, a ballpark scoreboard, or a different ballpark scoreboard. Alright, so maybe it didn't pop up in too many different places, but everyone knows the clip. If you didn't watch it happen, you grew up watching the replay your entire life.
So that's why it's so surreal that Barry Bonds broke the home run record. Barry Bonds. The guy who's been on the Giants for the past 14-plus seasons. Every one of the home runs added up to the record-breaker. Surreal. The home run off of Kirt Ojala was a part of last night. The showdowns with Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson were a part of last night. Bonds hit them into the upper deck of Candlestick. He hit them into the waters of McCovey Cove. They all added up to last night. Surreal.
There's a 99.9% chance of extreme punditing today, followed by violent gusts of bloviation. That's a shame. The debates are tired. Every baseball fan should have had one tiny part of their brain telling them to enjoy last night. The dude has hit more home runs than anyone who has played the game. Soak it up. Enjoy it.
The transition from child to adult is punctuated by a series of benchmarks. You turn 16, and you get the freedom to drive. You turn 18, and you officially become an adult. You turn 21, and you get the freedom to drink alcohol. Each subsequent age...not so much. Your cells start dying. Your body breaks down. Is that a gray hair? One more breath `til death...one more breath `til death...one more breath `til death. My god, is it hot in here? The walls are closing in! The walls are closing in!
That's the best way to describe the Giants of this season and future seasons. The beginning of the season was for the 16-year-old in us; with that much freedom, anything could happen. Heck, the Cardinals lucked their way into a World Series ring. Why not us? We have super-ace Barry Zito, and Rich Aurilia's going to hit .300 again, and Ray Durham's second-half power was for real, and.... We could have gone anywhere.
The All-Star Game was for the 18-year-old in us; it was more of a formality, but danged if it didn't mean something. It turned out to be something worth anticipating. It was as if Mays Field was making the transition from a new park to a classic park in front of us, and it was as exciting as all get out. We also got to vote Barry Bonds into the game. That doesn't really have anything to do with the metaphor, but it would have been weak to mention turning 18 without a gratuitous voting reference.
This home run was the 21st-birthday of our 2007 Giants fandom. Pandemonium. Breathless recounting of the story to anyone who would listen the next day. Good memories. Good...less-than-memories. Things happened quickly, even though it took so long to get to that point. It will only happen once, and it was amazing.
When the September call-ups come up, that'll be like turning 25 and being able to rent a car, or something.
After that: A slow decline into adult diapers. Actually, it'll probably be real quick. Actually, there is some fantastic incontinence going on right now if you'd care to pay attention. Would you like to pay atte....no? I don't blame you. Welcome to the rest of your life, or, at least, the rest of your franchise's extended period of misfortune.
For right now, though, let's keep the lampshade on our collective head for as long as we can. Congratulations, Barry. Congratulations, Giants fans. Congratulations, baseball.
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by achiappanza on Aug 8, 2007 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Aug 8, 2007 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Mark carry on on Aug 8, 2007 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by WithTechron on Aug 8, 2007 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Okay, fair enough - the fans know what they know. Fans rule, dude!
Uhh, wait...so the fans' perspective counts, but only as long as they agree with Pedro Gomez, apparently.
by EliminateMe on Aug 8, 2007 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Aug 8, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Aug 8, 2007 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Aug 8, 2007 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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and then...never again.
by Mark carry on on Aug 8, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BondsApologist on Aug 8, 2007 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I love how the first example of trusting his eyes is "An error is an error" - often one of the most subjective scoring decisions in all of baseball! How about "a strike is a strike" or "an out is an out" or a "catch is a catch." those are all clearcut situations. What a retard!
And Bonds went from a career high in homers 49 to 73, and increase in 24. Pedro obviously didn't see Luis Gonzalez hitting 57 bombs in the same year, and increase of 26 over his previous career high of 31 the previous season (the only other season in his career with over 30 homers)? Was Gonzo on roids? Is that Gomez is saying? I seriously doubt it. What about Davey Johnson? The guy never hit more than 18 homers in any season and in 1973 at age 30 he busts out with 43 homers! He was obviously a steroid user because there's no possible explanation for such a dramatic increase in homerun production other than drug use. Apparently, trusting one's eyes is fairly subjective.
This guy is a complete and utter joke and the punchline is that he still has a job and ESPN loses more credibility by continuing to pay this clown than it does for airing the inane and contemptible "Who's Now?" segments.
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post
I read "Baseball Between the Numbers" by the Baseball Prospectus people.
They had an interesting analysis in there of historical "power surges". They defined a power surge by established veteran players with at least 4 or 5 complete seasons and at least 28 years old who suddenly increased their HR numbers (equalized for complete seasons) by 10 or more a year.
They ran those numbers for all of MLB history and showed that the "steroid era" (90s, 00s) did have the highest prevalence of power surges, but that, when you factor out the effect of the ballparks (smaller ballparks now) the era with the most power surges was the 70s.
Anyone else read that book? Interesting stuff.
by Roadie on Aug 8, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Questions 67 and 68
The mo' asinine question was what would he like to say to Greg Anderson. I was certain that would elicit an eruptive response given the moment - but no , Barry was cool as a ...well , I can't bring myself to name that hated veggie right now. But he was cool. Came back with something like "Why is that part of the conversation?"
And I REALLY enjoyed his reply to Erin Andrews' question as to what was next for him: "A lot more baseball."
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Something like that. It was gold at the time. In fact the whole press conference was gold. If I could get it off my dvr I would put it on youtube.
by BawLa on Aug 8, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Bhaakon on Aug 8, 2007 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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So y'all catch each and every article written by the r-tards at NESPN and SI.com? Yes, even LA writers are capable of giving Bonds his due credit. But the talking heads back east can only talk about how they hate Barry, sucking the life and soul out of any form of enjoyment the rest of us might possibly have had in this moment.
Thank goodness for MLB.com!
by JRPhillips on Aug 8, 2007 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Hey Grant,
Howie, The Mayor and I were kidding last night when we said your lame analogy (16, 18, 21, etc.) idea sounded good. Can't believe you didn't detect the sarcasm. :-)
(Still hungover from the drunken euphoria of turning 21 last night.)
by Goofus on Aug 8, 2007 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Nothing wrong with mine, though.
by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BondsApologist on Aug 8, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I'm eager to see if there will be something tonight for Barry.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 8, 2007 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Still, though, 99.9% seems a bit low.
by ololo3 on Aug 8, 2007 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BawLa on Aug 8, 2007 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by HughG16 on Aug 8, 2007 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by War on Aug 8, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Now when his grandchildren ask him where he was when it happened, he'll have to say: Pittsburgh.
by Cookyman on Aug 8, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Eat it, ZelaskoBuckMcCarverBrennaman.
by Kitspool on Aug 8, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
[Sorry I'm tired]
by Kitspool on Aug 8, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 8, 2007 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law gets it
Barry Bonds is the new home run king, period. Record books should be free of moral judgments or other subjective criteria. Unless Major League Baseball intends to go back and invalidate some of Bonds' home runs, he'll have the highest total until someone else (whether it's Alex Rodriguez or Ken Griffey Jr. or someone else) breaks his record in turn.
Exactly. Question for the asterisk crowd: which homers of Barry's are invalid? Please provide dates, innings, locations.
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by BawLa on Aug 8, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2007 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve Philips is a moron
take a stand, dipshit.
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Stark Raving Lame
We used to have only 3 TV channels and we waited until the newspaper came out to see what happened yesterday. People used to respect the president because he was the president. People used to know who their Congressmen was. Politicians, movie stars and professional athletes used to have their personal scandals kept out of the news by reporters!
TIMES HAVE FUCKING CHANGED and it isn't because of Barry Bonds and steroids!
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by BawLa on Aug 8, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I no longer respect Tim Kurkjian
in other words, only the "best baseball fans" (read, those who hate Barry Bonds and "know" he is a cheater) get to decide whether the record is legitimate or not. Obviously, this statement means that if you like Bonds and view his record as legitimate (As I DO!) you're not one of the "best baseball fans" you're some lesser species of baseball fan.
It gets better, too.
Exactly how many of Bond homeruns were unnatural, illegal and dishonest? Is playing baseball some kind of test of character (suddenly?) Baseball isn't golf. You don't keep your own score. Did Bonds secretly add 100 homers to statistics when no one was looking? I'm pretty sure that all of Bonds homers happened in actual baseball games where there was an opponent trying to get him out (well, when they weren't walking him.)
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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- Pedro Gomez also pulled the "let's let the fans decide" card. The problem is that the reason the "fans" believe what they do is because the media pounds us daily with "Barry=cheater=spawn of satan". Of course the media wants the "fans" to decide...the fans believe what the media wants them to!
- With all due respect to Aaron, how is everyone 100% certain he, along with all the other widely considered "great players" of his generation, did not take steroids or performance enhancers? How are we sure he was clean? My wife asked me this comment last night...even she gets it.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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And, yes, Aaron and Mays and many others have been linked to the use of PEDs - true or not. There is no way to prove they didn't take the PEDs of their time. This "golden era" free of drug use crap is just that - a load of shit designed to be fed to the gullible.
by Sayhey on Aug 8, 2007 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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the fans get to decide questions like, Who was better, Bonds or Aaron? They then use statistics (not up to fans) to bolster their arguments.
"Who has more homers, Bonds or Aaron?" is a trivia question. There is an answer: Bonds. It's not up to a vote and records aren't popularity contests.
The "Best Fans" may think Ty Cobb was an asshole and a racist, but we don't reduce his hit total because of that. There's no asterisk.
Baseball statistics are morally neutral.
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Not one fucking article on espn.com or SI.com saying anything about a remarkable accomplishment. And in the end, I'm not really positive that it's just because it's Bonds. I think in x number of years, if/when A-Rod break's Bonds' record, people will still remember the glory that is Aaron, and how these whippersnappers today just don't compete with our legends of old! It's all a load of bullshit neatly wrapped in nostalgia, and we don't want someone surly like Bonds or a bad teammate like A-Rod owning the record, because 755 is far too hallowed for something like that. I hate ESPN now.
by JRPhillips on Aug 8, 2007 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Aug 8, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Not positive, but I don't think ESPN was around when Aaron set hit 715. Can I get a fact check here?
by JRPhillips on Aug 8, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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You're point seems a little weak, Roger... That's all I'm sayin...
by JRPhillips on Aug 8, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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So I suppose my point was the arrogance of the now, people's tendency to believe that the values of today always have been and always will be true.
by Roger on Aug 9, 2007 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Right on!! Times have changed, and we're all better for it.
by ilselu1 on Aug 8, 2007 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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This is all I regret about how it all went down , and this only after having watched a double handful of Henry's 715th and Barry's 756th...
Barry, understandably mindful of his place in history , raises his arms in a jubilant self - congratulatory gesture.
Henry looks up briefly , then runs purposefully toward first base. Speaks volumes of his modesty.
Of course as I read what I just wrote (PROOFREADING , not PREENING...) I think of the fact that Barry , to my knowledge , hasn't come out YET with his version of I Had A Hammer...
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2007 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by smedley on Aug 8, 2007 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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If anything, the very fact that Aaron publically handed the torch to Barry validates the significance of the accomplishment more than any bitter naysayers can possibly naysay.
by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm still buzzing from last night. Of course, part of that may be the half-gallon of coffee I've drank to make up for the almost total lack of sleep I got, but hey.
by rocketdog on Aug 8, 2007 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Didn't any of you read Game of Shadows? The guy cheated ... no doubt about it. The difference between Bonds and the rest of the guys that roided up??... They weren't going after the most sacred record in all of sport.
I don't fault Giants fans for rooting for your guy, but don't blame the rest of us for breaking out the asterisks ...
Gah...football season's coming up right?
by codedfreaq on Aug 8, 2007 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Aug 8, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Aug 8, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Aug 8, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Are you seriously basing your opinion on Game of Shadows? Isn't this book based mostly the information from Bonds' ex-girlfriend that got pissed off at him? I'm not saying what's in the book can't be true, but it would be way down the list of reputable sources if I was trying to call Barry a steroid user.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Aug 8, 2007 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Aug 8, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Aug 8, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Hard to tell the truth when it is he said/she said private conversations so my measure of whether she is telling the truth is tied to the one thing we can test: whether the IRS gets Barry on tax evasion on baseball card income as she has stated over and over again.
I think it's two years plus and counting now, but still no conviction when it should be relatively easy to determine whether someone cheated on their taxes or not, they caught both Pete Rose and Willie McCovey, among others, relatively quickly in the 1990's.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 8, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If you don't like PED-fueled players, that's a principle that makes some sense. You can make a case for it. But I have yet to hear a decent articulation why they shouldn't all be treated the same.
by achiappanza on Aug 8, 2007 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they tried to pull the asterisk shit before
And where's the asterisk for Gaylord Perry, perhaps the most notorious cheater in baseball history? If you're gonna just say, cheaters get an asterisk, then the list won't start or end with Barry Bonds.
Anyway, the statistics in the record books are evidence of what happened on the field in the games. That's it. They don't judge. They're a historical record. they don't throw caveats out there that Ruth didn't play against blacks, or asian or latin players. The don't indicate that Hank Aaron broke the record in so many more games and at bats than it took Ruth to set it. They don't indicate
- the change from starters pitching the whole game (pretty much)
- 4-man rotations
- no more 300+inning guys
- specialization, especially for relief pitching
- bigger parks
- smaller parks
- cookie cutter parks
- more games added to the schedule, including the postseason
- the change in how the baseball is made (the biggest change coming in about 1920, which really created the homerun bonanza)
- new types of bats, gloves, uniforms, sunglasses (though, those are pretty much always on the top of the hat. I have no clue why.)
- the invention and use of spring training
- advances in technology like the uses of video to study pitchers and hitters
- the advances in the uses of statistics that change game strategy and fielding positions
- the DESIGNATED HITTER! (played by both Bonds and Aaron)
- interleague play
- Astroturf, domes, night games
- expansion that dilutes pitching (1961 and 1998 are two HUGE examples of this)
- advances in medicine (and related technology) and surgery and rehabilitation methods that allow players to prolong their careers (or even have careers in the first place)
- other changes in the way people get in and stay in shape, including body-building and other fitness and facilities
- dietary supplements, illegal drug use and steroids, etc.
- new pitches, banned pitches
- free agency
- changes in baseball scoring rules
- no more doubleheaders
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: they tried to pull the asterisk shit before
Nonetheless, you're entirely right. Having spent a good portion of my life with two separate single season records, I would say that nobody in the baseball fan world really took that distinction seriously. It was the great eyeball roll of all time.
I have to say, this is one area where the NFL has always gotten it.
by Roger on Aug 8, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Aug 8, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: they tried to pull the asterisk shit before
- Seats added to old parks that eat up foul territory
- Addition of a team that plays in Denver.
by achiappanza on Aug 8, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I would trade all of them in a second for a World Series Championship. After 756 last night the rest of game was so damned depressing. I want a team, not a king.
by southcitysteve on Aug 8, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Would you rather have seen the Giants hoist a World Series championship trophy in 2002 AND have the all-time homer king be a Dodger?
OR
Have the all-time homer king be a Giant, with the Dodgers having last won the Series in '88 while the Giants still haven't won an SF World Series?
by JRPhillips on Aug 8, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Aug 8, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Absolutely, though, I'd rather have had that 2002 trophy.
by JRPhillips on Aug 8, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No question about it
by Natto on Aug 8, 2007 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Back in '93 my Mom took my sisters to Discovery Zone in Redwood City and Bonds was there with his kids and some buddies of his. A young girl went up to him and asked for his autograph and he wouldn't saying something to the effect that she couldn't afford it. Ever since then I've tried to concentrate on what he does on the field.
After 2001 it became clear to me that Bonds was juiced and also after 9/11 I grew a little out of touch with baseball to say the least. Plus i was in college and I was more concerned with booze, boobs and bongs. For the first time since the 80s I didn't watch the Giants in 2002. Of course they make it to the World Series and I hate to admit it but I was rooting for them to lose. It wasn't my team, I hadn't watched them all year. I felt like even though I had been a lifelong fan I was jumping back on the bandwagon. After '02 I was a born again diehard Giants fan and could finally gained some perspective on Bonds and the era that almost made me leave the game behind. He was the greatest hitter of the greatest era for hitters. He transcended all the hitters of his era. Most importantly though he rejuvenated a Giants franchise that was very close to leaving SF and I don't think Giants fans will ever be able to thank him enough for that.
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by achiappanza on Aug 8, 2007 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I've heard hundreds of stories about Bonds being extremely gracious with tha fans and a great guy when it comes to them, but I've heard a couple of stories about Bonds being specifically out with his family and giving these aproaching fans the cold shoulder.
I can't say I blame him for being surly when somebody approaches him AND his family. It's a little weird being cold to a child, but I know nothing about the circumstances outside of "with his family trying to have a good time."
Who knows, though? Who knows?
by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If there is one thing that happens less often than World Series Wins, it's players remotely as skilled as Bonds playing the game. And I've had the chance to watch it nearly every year of my life.
Now that's something, and I wouldn't trade it for a World Series if it came to that.
Though there's no possible way to qualify the two as being mutually exclusive. That the Giants never won a WS with that player is a damn shame, but for me it's only a small regret.
by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It's remarkable, and the chances that it could happen are ridiculously slim.
We have nothing to complain about. We are privaleged fans.
A World Series Win would be nice, though.
by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 8, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I mean, Bascik seemed to be a pretty good sport about things at the press conference, but that has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Not only does Bonds need help from roids to hit homers, but he needs the opposing pitchers to serve gopherballs up on a platter to him.
The Media Motto: Whatever to discredit Bonds, regardless of how outrageous, conspiratorial and untrue.
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2007 7:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2007 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Sloppy Media
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20191137/site/newsweek/
WTF? Dude, it could be interpreted that way by someone who desperately wants the facts to fit his pre-determined bias.
That's a big fucking leap there.
by otis29 on Aug 9, 2007 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Aug 9, 2007 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/08/09/SPS6RF5PR.DTL
(Similar story with a few more details of the conversation between Baer and Aaron.)
by Goofus on Aug 9, 2007 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If you were an idiot, that is.
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