Bonds and his alleged use of you know what
Lets assume all the rumors are true. My question and it is not meant to sound like a rhetorical question; if this stuff i.e. The Cream, "Flax seed oil" or some kind of goop made a significant difference in his home run total, how potent could it be if it wasn't detected?
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Re: Bonds and his alleged use of you know what
If we assume the rumors are true then Bonds took illegal steroids to help him gain an unfair advantage over players who did not use illegal steroids. I don't see how the potency or detectability would make it better or worse.
On that note what makes you think that the "strength" of a steroid is what makes it able to be detected?
What you are forgetting is that up until recently MLB basically did jack shit to make sure its players aren't using...
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This is less likely, but still possibly, applicable to his 2005 injury as well. Or perhaps it explains why he was out for nearly the full season?
by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 5, 2007 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions
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by laxfan24 on Aug 4, 2007 5:17 PM PDT reply actions
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With that said, the only way to "detect" a new steroid, is to know exactly what other chemicals are attached to the testosterone base chemical. The only way they are able to test for the known steroids is because they know exactly what the "blueprint" looks like. So the only reason why the clear and the cream were undetectable is because 1. the testers did not know exactly what chemicals to look for, and 2. because there were no syringes or other signs of traditional steroid use.
It then becomes apparant that, because you can fix countless different chemicals to the original testosterone, it will be close to impossible to ever get rid of steroid use. People will always look for an edge, and people will always keep making new ones to sell to those people looking for an edge.
The real question you should be asking is why other steroid users do not hit as many home runs. And why the only other big steroid users that were not pitchers or minor leaguers were guys like Sosa and McGuire - guys who were home run hitters before the steroids.
Barry has exceptional hand-eye coordination, pitch recognition, his father helped Barry by studying pitchers and he learned from that. He was raised in a baseball family and had great players around him his whole life (you could make an argument against that for the last couple years...). Barry was basically destined to be a great baseball player, but his attitude made him destined to be despised.
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- the others aren't as good as Barry
- Sosa pre-steroids was a high-strikeout, maybe 20-HR a year kinda guy. As for McGwire, there is no pre-steroid McGwire, at least not at the MLB level. Jose Canseco may be a pathetic scumbag but I have no reason to doubt his claims of being a steroid guru - the kind who absolutely would have provided his young teammate McGwire the tools he needed to Bash(tm) more HRs than any rookie ever in a year with more HRs than any season ever...
by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 5, 2007 4:56 AM PDT up reply actions
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- True, but at least one confirmed user hit 500 HR - Palmeiro.
- Now I agree that the circumstantial evidence against Sosa is quite strong, at least as strong as against Barry (note Barry's continued excellence after testing, while Sosa has gone into the toilet). But Sosa has not tested positive, and given the defense against rampant speculation about Barry, we owe Sosa at least a modicum of doubt about his alleged use. Also, the implied claim that steroids alone can simply add 30-40+ HR to a guy's totals aren't supported by the facts. Wouldn't we see a bunch of 5 HR guys hitting 30 if that were the case? 10 HR guys hitting 40-50? Was Sosa aided by steroids? It is certainly possible, but I highly doubt that steroids were responsible for taking him from 20 HR to 66 HR. The guy's talent had a lot more to do with it.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 5, 2007 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions
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So even if e did use something, it was still his own hard work that made him a "good" hitter.
by howtheyscored on Aug 5, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
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by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 5, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sosa never tested positive for steroids
by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 5, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Voodoo Chile on Aug 5, 2007 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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That is a real outlier and hardly proves anything.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 6, 2007 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Lemme try something here...
wow , it worked.
I was saying to myself for the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th time (trying to keep myself convinced) that "I doan' know nothin' but that he worked out like a monster and the big head is just what comes from knowing you're Barry Bonds" but then I realized I didn't know that either , so...
And the last thing I want to do is give Wil any additional poo to fling...
by victor frankenstein on Aug 5, 2007 5:29 PM PDT reply actions

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