Noonan, Culberson, and Villalona
I don't mean to step on Steve's Minor Lines for the day but I noticed that Noonan, Culberson, and Villalona were not in yesterday's lineup.
Did the Giants hold them out because they are getting promoted or are they just resting them up for the championship game against the AZL Mariners?
It seems strange to me that they would take the three best guys out of the league the day before the championship (assuming that is what they have done).
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The teenagers shall lead them
I really wish there was better coverage on the AZL out there. I'd dedicate my efforts to it if I had better access.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2007 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: The teenagers shall lead them
by camwoody on Aug 30, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: The teenagers shall lead them
I want Villalona to move up but since he's still so young I'm not sure where the Giants will put him in 08. I think he would benefit from playing in Augusta as much as Noonan and Culberson would.
Here I am going to pull something straight out of my behind, and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The Giants can keep a closer eye on Villalona when he's playing in Arizona. Scottsdale sort of seems like their second home base outside of the mothership in the Bay Area. Skills wise I'd like to throw him into the fire and see what he can do. As he is someone who's not quite a legal adult in this country I'd think the team would want to take extra care with him and perhaps not send him away to Salem-Keizer or Augusta yet. I only suggest SK in case management feels he's not ready for a full season. All minor league clubs exist to develop skills of players, but there's also the fact that Augusta has been a contender for the last few years and these guys want to win. Having to baby sit Villalona may not be the best use of the Augusta staff.
I have no idea how the Giants powers that be are handling Villalona in terms of his acclimation to life in the States. I would think they looked into Villalona's maturity level somewhat during scouting. All the talent in the world can unravel and quickly if the guy you sign is a shithead, and for the amount of money they gave him I'd expect them to make a smart investment on the guy.
It is to say, I'm not sure on V.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: The teenagers shall lead them
The issue I see with promoting Noonan, Culberson and Villalona now is that I have very mixed feelings that they should get to play in the NWL playoffs after all the Volcanoes current players, at least their regulars, have accomplished this season?
Are there any Volcanoes who should be promoted to Augusta or San Jose for the playoffs?
by steve S on Aug 30, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Anyway, I think it could be a good move to promote them to a playoff team in the system as long as the regulars on the playoff teams are given the bulk of the playing time. They earned it, they should be in there. The three guys in question wouldn't play much if they did move up but it'd be better than them not playing at all once the AZL ends. At least they could hang around and sort of absorb what's going on, meet the coaches they could soon be playing for, and so on.
For 2008 I do like the idea of sending Villalona to Augusta and SK later on, if he proves he needs to take a step back. If he goes into Augusta and holds his own, bonus. He needs to play every day, bottom line. Whether he'd be doing that in extended spring training or with a minor league club, whatever. I'd just rather see him on a minor league club. It's easier to follow his progress that way. :)
As for Volcanoes who could be promoted to SJ or Augusta, maybe Danny Otero? He's been lights out and you can always use more arms. He threw 122 innings at Duke before getting drafted and has 19.1 innings in the NWL currently. Concerns for his arm and stamina could nix that idea.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I would move those guys up as quickly as possible just to get them playing everyday. These kids need experience and they can get that in Augusta and Salem-Keizer.
by camwoody on Aug 30, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: The teenagers shall lead them
by sfgfan on Aug 30, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm pretty sure other teams do this but I know that the Yankees bring up their top prospects just to sit in the dugout during the playoffs and the World Series just so they can get a taste of the big time.
by stevieg on Aug 30, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by camwoody on Aug 30, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Aug 30, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Topic
by camwoody on Aug 30, 2007 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: to report mid-September to AZ
by camwoody on Aug 30, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: to report mid-September to AZ
by oldjacket on Aug 30, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: to report mid-September to AZ
The fall instructional league may be what wilriv is talking about. That's where the Giants would send guys like Fairley and the MadBum to work on their skills during the fall. Villalona was playing there last year after the Giants signed him.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: to report mid-September to AZ
by Goofus on Aug 31, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you are not
by wilriv21 on Aug 30, 2007 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about Andy D'Alessio
by Tchli on Aug 30, 2007 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't forget about Andy D'Alessio
Teixeira? He's the first that comes to mind for me...
by Woody Wins on Aug 30, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't forget about Andy D'Alessio
by Roger on Aug 30, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't forget about Andy D'Alessio
Not a hitter, but Kevin Correia was a four-year collegian who was a couple months short of his 22nd birthday when he was drafted.
Matt LaPorta was nearly 22.5 years old when he was drafted by the Brewers with the 7th overall pick earlier this summer. He played in college for four years.
by steve S on Aug 30, 2007 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Noonan, Culberson, and Villalona
by rxmeister on Aug 31, 2007 6:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Honestly, things happen in playoffs and "good pitching beats good hitting" doesn't really do a very thorough job of explaining it. Would you really try to tell me the Cardinals (who's pitching staff wafted a toxic trail all over America for the final two months of the season last year) shut down the Mets because "good pitching beats good hitting"? Did Jeff Weaver magically transmogrify into a "good pitcher" for one month of the last two years?
Baseball has been trending toward higher and higher run totals and higher and higher HR totals for decades now and trotting out cliches doesn't make it any easier to win without an offense.
by Roger on Aug 31, 2007 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Sep 1, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Aug 31, 2007 7:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Aug 31, 2007 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Noonan, Culberson, and Villalona
Since you clearly don't like stats, let me pose this anecdotal question, how is it that the Atlanta Braves, running three consecutive HOF pitchers out in their rotation every year for over a decade managed to lose so many World Series?
by Roger on Aug 31, 2007 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Aug 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Aug 31, 2007 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The Cardinals finished 9th in NL ERA during the regular season, so it could hardly be said that they had good pitching. Their pitching merely got hot at the right time -- enabling one of the worst World Series teams of all time to become world champions.
In a best-of-seven tournament, the better team wins, what maybe 60% of the time? This wasn't one of those times.
by sharksrog on Sep 1, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Aug 31, 2007 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Noonan, Culberson, and Villalona
Therefore, Barry Zito >> Johan Santana!
We Are Winner!
by howtheyscored on Aug 31, 2007 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Noonan, Culberson, and Villalona
With Santana, one might have to worry about the relievers (although I could live with Joe Nathan :), but as long as Johan is pitching, the best pitcher in the game is on the hill.
Not every batter against him will be the best in the game -- or even the best at his position.
One thing of beauty for the Giants is that it is possible that five years from now we will feel similarly about Tim Lincecum as we now do about Johan Santana.
I would take Johan's 23-year-old season over Tim's season this year. But Johan also had the advantage of making nearly half his appearances from the bullpen, where he didn't need to pace himself as much. And his 23-year-old season was also the third year he had appeared in the majors. Johan's ERA his two previous years had been 6.49 and 4.74.
Johan had a surprising 15 wild pitches in just 108 innings as a 23-year-old. He has never had more than eight in any other season. Yet he hit only one batter. This season Tim has had 10 wild pitches in 130 innings -- and hit one batter.
Both pitchers did a great job of keeping hitters from getting hits and of striking batters out. Tim actually walked slightly fewer hitters per nine innings, while giving up slighly more home runs.
Tim actually has the precise number of strikeouts as Santana had in Johan's 23-year-old season -- although he garnered them in 22 more innings.
If we compare Tim's first SEASON in the majors to that of Johan, there is little comparison. But then, Johan was also two years younger. Phil Hughes of the Yankees, generally thought of as the #1 pitching prospect entering this season, has struggled a bit at the age of 21. And Homer Bailey, ranked #2 by most, has truly struggled.
by sharksrog on Sep 1, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Aug 31, 2007 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Sep 1, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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