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Yay! Winning!

The Milwaukee Brewers remind me of the 1997 Giants in some ways. Most noticeably, they started out hot, and they ended August with blood coming out of their collective ears. For the '97 Giants, it was the Montreal Expos that killed them, as guys like Mike Lansing and Mark Grudzielanek are still hitting doubles somewhere at this very moment off of Osvaldo Fernandez. For the Brewers, it was the 2007 Giants -- a team that had a lineup so bad, that Pedro Feliz hitting cleanup probably was the best option. I kind of feel bad. If the analogy follows suit, though, the Brewers will win their division. If the analogy really follows suit, the Brewers will lose one of the playoff games when Dave Krynzel's throw from centerfield hits the pitching mound.

So the Giants are winning again. That's...something. Because Ricky Watters can never be quoted enough in a situation like this: For whom? For what? Why should any of us be excited about this 10-game bowl of scraps tossed over the kennel fence? When a team is out of a playoff race, wouldn't it make sense to hope for a better draft pick?

A winning streak like this will always give hope for the future, regardless on how fleeting that might be. The young pitchers are improving noticeably. Barry Zito has only been a waste of money over his past few starts, and not a waste of a uniform. Dan Ortmeier and Kevin Frandsen aren't embarrassing themselves. Brian Wilson and Brad Hennessey are doing well. Kevin Correia looks as if he could contribute to an organization as a starter, which makes him much more valuable. I like to watch the Giants win. Winning streaks are, like, super cool and stuff. Playoffs or no playoffs, that's as simple as it gets.

The only time draft position should even be mentioned as a positive is after a loss. That kind of talk makes sense only as a consolation prize. As in, dang, that loss kind of ripped my soul from me, did the Charleston on my soul, and then started tinkling on my soul, but, hey, there's always the draft picks!3-2!!!5x.2!!! Because there's nothing worse than a weenie who is actively rooting for their team to lose for better draft standing. If the Giants had the #1 pick in '85 instead of #2, they might have taken B.J. Surhoff instead of Will Clark. If the Giants had the fourth pick in the 2006 draft, maybe we'd be more concerned about Brad Lincoln's elbow instead of Tim Lincecum's workload. During the past NBA season, there was a very vocal contingent of Warriors fans that was looking for the team to tank the rest of the season in order to try for Greg Oden or Kevin Durant. They ended up looking like moron non-fans. It's even worse when the uncertanties of a baseball draft are taken into account.

My point is this: I'm pretty confident this Giants team could beat the Mavericks in a best-of-five Division Series. And it's good to see the Giants winning, even if there is no particular goal for which to work.

Comment starter: Is there a particular thing you're happy about over this stretch of improved play?

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Re: Yay! Winning!
Matt Cain hitting homeruns and getting wins.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 27, 2007 1:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Noah Lowry hitting homeruns and getting wins.
If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 27, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Rajai; Noah blasting a homerun to keep his August unbeaten streak alive; K-Frand imitating Stan Javier; Zito pitching like the Zito of old.

I also no longer have to say to myself, "At least the Royals announcers are on tonight."

The Giants are fun to watch, again.

It makes me feel like I didn't completely waste my MLB Extra Innings package.

Do they know to win the game a team has to actually score at least once?

by noahthek on Aug 27, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
I was happy to see Ray Durham getting regular playing time.  But then he had to go and hurt his hammy, and put me in a foul mood!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Norm MacDonald

by JRPhillips on Aug 27, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Happy? But of course
SF Giant wins bring a smile to my face and more restful evenings. The pitching of Correia, Wilson, Hennessey, Cain and The Albatross has been great. We will need them this winter and next season. The playing of the kids gives me hope - especially Frandsen and Lewis.

by wilriv21 on Aug 27, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
The pitching coming together, finally, is what pleases me most right now. The starters throw well, the bullpen holds it down. It was one or the other for most of the season.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
MATT CAIN!!

And Brian Wilson. I like him a lot. Nasty.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Aug 27, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Wilson
Closer

they have the same number of letters...

If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 27, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
And if you have to explain to anyone why he's so good, how he does it...

"Will, son."

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by hairball on Aug 27, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Willllsooooooonnnn!!
If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 27, 2007 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
outstanding.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 27, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Brian Wilson Closer = Brilliance Sworn So

by Caught Backcourt on Aug 27, 2007 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Zito. Definitely Zito. It's only two starts, but it suggests he's salvageable.

by Evan on Aug 27, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Yeah, I used to love watching him pitch when he was in Oaktown. It's like that, only a little to the West.
If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 27, 2007 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Raj stealing bases is really a terror.
Wilson is pitching as if he's Rivera.
Frandsen and Lowry and Cain hitting dings,
these are a few of my favorite things...
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father, currently sandbagging in Augusta.

by EliminateMe on Aug 27, 2007 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
excellent!
If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 27, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
priceless.
"Bri-an Sab-e-an, I hope you're satisfied with what you've done..."

by The Gene Hackman on Aug 27, 2007 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zito and Cain
Zito and Cain have been good in this stretch. Zito is somewhat reassuring since he's looked bad since April.

Cain is posting his best K/9 and BB/9's of the year this month, very encouraging.

by xanthan on Aug 27, 2007 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Happy about Correia starting and Frandsen having power.

Extremely unhappy about the lineups.

Non-plussed, whatever the heck that means, by Rajai's regression.

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by hairball on Aug 27, 2007 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Wilson & Hennessey. I've enjoyed watching them close out successfully, the close games we've been having recently.

by GiantFan on Aug 27, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Not to be a downer here but... The Astros are 58-73 resulting in Garner and GM Tim Purpura getting the hook. They won the World Series just two years ago. The Giants are 59-72 and haven't won the WS in multiple generations life times.  
Can use management as trade bait for Hunter Pence?
Ray Durham: 79th best hitter in the National League.

by likmaiballs on Aug 27, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
...the Astros did not win the WS, that was the White Sox...They should have been fired just for the Jason Jennings for Jason Hirsh and Willy Tavares deal
Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Aug 27, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
er.. that's what I meant.
Giants Players: 3 of the 8 worst OPS in the NL.

by likmaiballs on Aug 27, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After a replay, we have an official ruling
Let the record show that's what he meant.

by Moggeee on Aug 28, 2007 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm
Your username and last sentence of post suggest the frequenting of a certain website

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by hairball on Aug 27, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Happy...
About Ortmeier. Would like to see more of him, but I think he's doing a damn decent job.

Correia starting. And doing a damn fine job of it.

Frandsen not sucking at the plate.

Brian wilson being what we hoped for in ST.

WINS

And Boom Goes the Dynamite

by Andy from DC on Aug 27, 2007 2:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Happy...
What If Not Sucking?
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by hairball on Aug 27, 2007 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Happy...
Good call.
And Boom Goes the Dynamite

by Andy from DC on Aug 27, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
I am pleased with the play of the young giants.  It gives me a little hope for the future.  Has anyone heard anything about Travis Denker? He is the player to be named later in the trade with the dodgers.  

by ektrod on Aug 27, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
There was a diary/post devoted to it, er...him recently. But what that info doesn't divulge is that he also wields a mean axe for the Scorpions and Dio...oh, wait. That's Schenker.
My son (Kevin Correia) is an honors student at Righetti Prep

by VidaWantsYourCar on Aug 27, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
whew! glad that joke's not Meine!
Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Aug 27, 2007 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Can this team finish out by going 22-9?  Would you be happy with that?

Note = .500 season is the end result.

How about 9-22?

I'm glad they are winning.  I still thin the Dbacks are a fluke and will fall apart soon.

by positiveuphemism on Aug 27, 2007 2:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Heh......first thought that came to my mind reading sports section this morning...."great, there go about 8 spots in the draft", which I consider more valuable than bringing the Win% from .425 to .450.

Its the kind of thought you can entertain when you're not forced to actually sit down and watch them lose, and you don't mind being considered a weenie by fellow fans.

by Stoned Slacker on Aug 27, 2007 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're a major weenie
Had to be said.
And Boom Goes the Dynamite

by Andy from DC on Aug 27, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: You're a major weenie
I'll promote him to Brigadiere General!
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Aug 27, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But still
many of us have gone there.
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by hairball on Aug 27, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: But still
Yeah, I ashamed to say I have the same thoughts. I mean, if we'd had the number 1 pick in 1985 we might have ended up with Surhoff instead of Clark; but if we'd had the number 10 pick, we would have ended up with Incaviglia or Walt Weiss or somebody like that. Or (and this is a little weird) a high-school pitcher named Bumgarner, picked at number 13 by the Twins. He never made the majors.

by Evan on Aug 27, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: But still
That means that mid-first round lefty high school pitchers named Bumgarner are due, right?
Steve Kline: Lately, significantly less okay

by groug on Aug 27, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: But still
Oh, not lefty.  But the rest of it.
Steve Kline: Lately, significantly less okay

by groug on Aug 27, 2007 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
My list(in no particular order):
  1. Giants' veterans getting lots of playing time
  2. Our troops still in Iraq
  3. My upcoming colonoscopy
  4. Getting progressively worse draft pick next year
  5. Global warming
Huh? Oh...I must have mis-read Grant's post.

Nevermind.

The SF Giants: agressively promoting young talent since 2008.

by Lyle on Aug 27, 2007 3:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone else says yay, you say neigh.
Yay!  Whinnying!
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Aug 27, 2007 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grant might appreciate it if you.
quit horsing around.

These pivotal, serious questions demand thoughtful answers, not road apples.

by Moggeee on Aug 28, 2007 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Zito and Correia have me excited.
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Aug 27, 2007 3:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Matt Cain not getting his wins taken away by Chulk/Atchison/Messenger, Matt Cain taking Zambrano yard, Matt Cain taking the mound tomorrow night....
Matt Cain, cleanup hitter or starting pitcher?

by cain1rstballothof on Aug 27, 2007 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Nice handle...welcome aboard.
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father, currently sandbagging in Augusta.

by EliminateMe on Aug 27, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Long, Listless Giants Season
Yes. Welcome Aboard. To the Good Ship LullMeToSleep.

by Moggeee on Aug 28, 2007 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 times .5 equals 2.5
I'm excited about Correia and maybe Ortmeier and I want to see more Frandsen.

Cain and Lincecum are givens.  I still don't trust Zito.

Steve Kline: Lately, significantly less okay

by groug on Aug 27, 2007 3:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ooooo girl ooooo
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Aug 27, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn.
(and that was a typo, not me being a moron...)

by Grant on Aug 27, 2007 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
I'm just happy they're winning.  
I'll be really happy when September callups finally get here.  
If Botchy ever plays the varsity lineup in September I will be officially not happy.
Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Aug 27, 2007 3:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Rooting for draft picks - in any sport - is like rooting for failure so that the manager will get fired.

REP-re-hensible.

by zenbitz on Aug 27, 2007 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
It's nice to watch the team win.  I have enjoyed watching Dave Roberts set the table (.326/.396/.816 since the break)and hopefully making another team interested in his services this off-season.  Getting contributions from guys like Frandsen, Ortmeier, Davis, and Grod has also been fun to watch.  And of course the pitching has been solid especially Cain, Correia, Wilson, Lincecum and Zito.

I am also looking forward to seeing the September call-ups.

Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: Welcome Back!

by sfgreg on Aug 27, 2007 3:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Even if another team is not interested in him, I think he'll be useful in the future if what we're seeing is closer to the "real" Dave Roberts.  A Roberts/Davis platoon (with the other available as a pinch hitter/pinch runner/defensive replacement would be pretty ding dang cool.
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Aug 27, 2007 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Everything, but mostly, the fact Jon Miller doesn't sound ready to up and leave rather than broadcast a disgustingly amateur team. I like it when he's cheery.
Notgardo may be afraid to catch Niekro's knuckler. Mama didn't raise no fool.

by tk on Aug 27, 2007 4:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
That's my boy. . . you my boy blue!
For WilltheThrill, this is Jon Miller saying goodnight. . . .

by WilltheThrill on Aug 27, 2007 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
I like baseball. One team always wins. I like the Giants a lot, so when they're the ones that win the game I like it even more. I like players when they play good. When they don't play good, I like the other players that play good. Someday the Giants will win the World Series. Until then, I like baseball.

by Boo on Aug 27, 2007 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
someone mentioned it already but I agree that the best thing has been the stabilization of the bullpen, with Wilson in the eighth and Hennessey in the ninth. At least something on this team is settled for 2008!! There are so many question marks in so many other places.
Randy Messenger: "I'll be back soon and we'll be rid of Scott Atchison"

by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
I agree with that... when you have good starting pitching and nothing else, you're pretty crappy.  Throw in a decent bullpen, and you're the San Diego Padres of the past two or three years.

A lights out Brian Wilson would be a fabulous development for the franchise heading into next season.  

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Aug 27, 2007 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Smoke is seeing with crystal clearity today.

by Moggeee on Aug 28, 2007 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Frandsen looking more comfortable at second, Rajai making defensive plays, Hennessey and Wilson becoming the 1-2 punch, and Cain hitting a home run once every 7 at-bats since Aug. 8.

by Caught Backcourt on Aug 27, 2007 5:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but I still have the extra ticket if anyone's interested in going to the game tonight. I'm out of the house in five minutes, so if I don't get a reply, then I guess it's me, myself, and Bizarro Natto.
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Aug 27, 2007 6:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Damnit I wish I was in the bay!
For WilltheThrill, this is Jon Miller saying goodnight. . . .

by WilltheThrill on Aug 27, 2007 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Dis, uh...wish of yours.....It can be...arranged.

-Guido

by Moggeee on Aug 28, 2007 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
I would have loved to go, but I don't have the car tonight. :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Aug 27, 2007 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
What sort of team would there be if it had:
 The Giants pitching.
 The Brewers hitting.
 Answer: a team that plays .600 baseball.
 Now how does Sabean pull that off?

by DiMaggio Fan on Aug 27, 2007 6:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Sabean is much more likely these days to pull it apart.

by Moggeee on Aug 28, 2007 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Enjoying good starting pitching
And Wilson & Correia & Hennessey
Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Aug 27, 2007 6:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
I think that it deserves to be said, Kevin has 12 straight saves because he is pitching well.  Its not like these have been lucky, bases loaded saves like we're used to.  
Which is clearly Barry's fault.

by 27freethrows on Aug 27, 2007 9:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
From now on, everybody on this team is either Kevin or Barry. Hennessey has been assigned to the Kevins, apparently.

All that is good, comes from Kevin.
All that is bad, is Barry's fault.

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father, currently sandbagging in Augusta.

by EliminateMe on Aug 27, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
Benitez: still gone
The Maharajai steals at will (plus he's not Matt Morris).

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Aug 27, 2007 11:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Yay! Winning!
If it wasn't clear, this is something I'm happy about.
The Maharajai steals at will (plus he's not Matt Morris).

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Aug 27, 2007 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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