Vizquel Clears Waivers
Looking on the MLBTraderumors site, I noticed that Omar Vizquel has officially cleared waivers.
Does anyone believe he will be dealt? And if so, where and for who?
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Re: Vizquel Clears Waivers
by delorean on Aug 16, 2007 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Next season when the Giants likely lose close to 100 games you will have bigger worries on your mind than whether the smooth-fielding Omar Vizquel is at shortstop or some young guy who can't hold Omar's glove but is an actual prospect who is younger than 30.
The Giants are in desperate need of young players who can improve their roster over the next three or four years.
When Barry Bonds leaves, so does the only Giants hitter who is much above average. That means the Giants will likely need two very good hitters merely to REPLACE Barry. Add in the two very good hitters they probably need on top of that to be a true contender, and you've got a need for at least four plus bats.
That's pretty tough to pick up in less than three or four years. By four plus bats, I mean really good bats. Something approaching Ray Durham or Moises Alou of last season.
Remember, the Giants had both those bats (albeit not for the full season) PLUS Barry last season and were only average at the plate. If you thought hitting was going to be (and is) a problem THIS season WITH Barry, think how big a problem it is likely to be WITHOUT him next season (assuming he doesn't return).
There are only a handful of hitters who could replace Barry -- and aside from Alex Rodriguez, none will be available. Should the Giants be willing to pay Alex $30-$35 million per season to do so?
If the Giants had Alex AND Barry and improvement at say two other everyday positions, they could possibly have a chance. But barring something like that, their prospects for next season appear rather dim.
by sharksrog on Aug 17, 2007 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Sure, if the Giants get such a guy. If I'm paying to go, I'd rather see Omar out there than some young stiff who really is never going to make it.
by achiappanza on Aug 17, 2007 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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In 1985 the Giants lost 100 games for the only time in franchise history. Two years later, they were in the playoffs.
This time there is no Will Clark, no Robby Thompson, no Matt Williams. The turnaround will likely take a fair amount longer. But the sooner it begins, the earlier it is likely to take effect.
by sharksrog on Aug 18, 2007 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Aug 16, 2007 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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They need an offensive upgrade. Barry would help, but we're not going to get anything for him at this point. I'd rather just keep him around because this team is such a bore outside of him.
They could add Feliz and he'd probably help them, but they're falling out of the race. I can't see them making a move.
by jponry on Aug 16, 2007 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Aug 16, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I still don't think the Twins are likely to make any moves.
by jponry on Aug 16, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Aug 16, 2007 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Vizquel Clears Waivers
by marcello on Aug 16, 2007 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You talking about the Giants?
Sanchez I can see, Misch before the Messenger incident. But who else? Perhaps Sadler in AAA? Anyone else ready to come up in the bullpen? Munter's the only name that stands out to me, and he's never going to be great again.
Unless you're adding in Lance Niekro as our new closer as well. ;-)
by WalrusMan on Aug 16, 2007 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You talking about the Giants?
by jasomack on Aug 16, 2007 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You talking about the Giants?
by sharksrog on Aug 17, 2007 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You talking about the Giants?
by marcello on Aug 17, 2007 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adios little buddy
Red Sox: Less chance now that Lugo is performing well.
Cardinals: Back in the hunt, can move Eckstein to 2b to replace the injured Kennedy.
by wilriv21 on Aug 16, 2007 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I could see the Tigers doing it
Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Aug 16, 2007 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I'm getting Sabean's plan...
1B: PTBNL
2B: Noonan
SS: PTBNL
3B: Villalona!
LF: PTBNL
CF: Davis!
RF: Fairley
C: PTBNL
I'm want a Giants jersey with "PTBNL" on the back. Woohoo!
by Goofus on Aug 16, 2007 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Now I'm getting Sabean's plan...
by sharksrog on Aug 17, 2007 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Now I'm getting Sabean's plan...
by melottfan on Aug 17, 2007 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Gotta love that Tidrow/Hiatt Combo. Turn it into a reality series. "The Giants have Talent"
by E Ticket on Aug 17, 2007 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Now I'm getting Sabean's plan...
The fact that he's holding his own at 16 -- and showing any kind of power -- is awesome.
by Grant on Aug 17, 2007 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Now I'm getting Sabean's plan...
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Aug 17, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Aug 17, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Fat kids at 17 don't help themselves much. The Giants haven't had a lot of success lately with well conditioned farmhands in the last several years, let alone fatso's that have gloves that "clank" in the night.
Already he is presenting issues. Weight. Defense. All before his 18th birthday. Not a good start and the fact that people are already rolling out the excuses tells me that $2 million would have paid earlier dividends if it had been spent on getting some good instructors and coaches and leave hi-risk kiddie drafts to the organizations that are already well stocked.
by E Ticket on Aug 17, 2007 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Now I'm getting Sabean's plan...
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2007 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Since that was the sum total of your retort, we will all assume that you agree with my conclusion. That this kid is problematic at best. He has thus far only demonstrated a propensity for being a one-tool player (hit for power). The Giants should have used that $2million on proven successful player development people, and that the kid lacks personal discipline.
by E Ticket on Aug 19, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Adios little buddy
by biff pocoroba on Aug 16, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Adios little buddy
by jponry on Aug 16, 2007 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Adios little buddy
by marcello on Aug 16, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Adios little buddy
by sleeknerve on Aug 16, 2007 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Vizquel Clears Waivers
by melottfan on Aug 16, 2007 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by NearestNorwich on Aug 16, 2007 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Aug 16, 2007 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Aug 16, 2007 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BawLa on Aug 16, 2007 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Aug 16, 2007 7:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A 41 year-old who plays like 31
No prospect can match Vizquel, even in a couple years of on-the-job training.
It's idle chatter to say good shortstop prospects could a) be picked from some tree, and b) produce even at Omar's level -- both defensively and offensively.
Such doods are hard to find, people.
Keep Omar another year.
by Moggeee on Aug 17, 2007 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: A 41 year-old who plays like 31
by rxmeister on Aug 17, 2007 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: A 41 year-old who plays like 31
This kid is a lock for HOF and I don't see how you can miss that.
by E Ticket on Aug 17, 2007 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: A 41 year-old who plays like 31
by delorean on Aug 17, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Continuim
by Goofus on Aug 17, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Get to work most esteemed comrade! The Grit to Pension metric expressed in terms of time, space, motion. A most worthy endeavor.
by E Ticket on Aug 17, 2007 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Aug 17, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Aug 17, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Aug 17, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Goofus = Quicker decline than Ray Durham.
by Grant on Aug 17, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Aug 17, 2007 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tape 'em up
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Aug 17, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sup3rk1ng on Aug 17, 2007 1:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by dangjackson on Aug 17, 2007 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by otis29 on Aug 17, 2007 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I wouldn't mind seeing Vizquel back for one more year, but if they can get any kind of prospect for him in trade, they should jump on it.
by EliminateMe on Aug 17, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If less than five maybe the Giants need to reassess why they have zero power at home with such a line-up. (Hint - we all know the answer - and it has nothing to do with the shortstop.)
by DiMaggio Fan on Aug 17, 2007 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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This kid looks decent. :S I say this with much hesitation, looking at recent prospects.
by giants9107 on Aug 17, 2007 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Aug 17, 2007 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giants9107 on Aug 17, 2007 8:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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