3-4-5 in 2008?

by The Gene Hackman on Aug 13, 2007 11:39 AM PDT

We all know what a team without a legit #3 hitter looks like.

What will be the look and feel of the 3-4-5 spots in 2008? With most folks speculating that the greatest-offensive-player-ever won't be back with the Giants next season, we could be watching a team without legit #3 and #4 hitters.

Any ideas what the 'heart' of the order will look like (atherosclerosis humor welcomed)?

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Mays, McCovey and Hart

Hunter (FA)
Bonds
Glaus (from Toronto for pitching)

by wilriv21 on Aug 13, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions

Cepeda vs Hart

If Glaus is too costly in terms of talent then possibly deal for Miggy Tejada.

by wilriv21 on Aug 13, 2007 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Winn
Bonds
Molina

by Sinister Dick on Aug 13, 2007 11:45 AM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

This is what I was afraid of having to post.

I think I avoided doing that by predicting something worse.

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions

that's scary, allright.

Scarier than Carpenter's "The Thing"

"Bri-an Sab-e-an, I hope you're satisfied with what you've done..."

by The Gene Hackman on Aug 13, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Durham
Feliz
Cody Ransom

Omar says, "Dammit gaffer! Bring in a few defenders, a mid-fielder or two, and nice pull w/Alan Smith."

by PacBellBoozer on Aug 13, 2007 11:46 AM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

No, no, no.

You have to hit Ransom ahead of Feliz. To take advantage of his on-base abilities. The way you have it will never happen.

by biff pocoroba on Aug 13, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Reading the title, I thought you were asking for a prediction of where we'll finish in the division.

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Aug 13, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

The options in that event would have been: 5-6-7-Oblivion in 2008?

by Moggeee on Aug 13, 2007 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions

2-3-4 in the PCL in 2008?

Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Aug 13, 2007 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

"With most folks speculating that the greatest-offensive-player-ever won't be back with the Giants next season."

I think that should read "With some folks speculating that..."

I don't know that most people who have actually thought about what the team might look like without Bondsa actually believe that he won't be back...

But anyway, that's kind of trivial of me. Onto speculating!

I firmly believe Bonds will be back, so there's my #4. As for 3 and 5, that is very tough. I don't feel like counting on free agency, but I'm going to assume Durham won't be there (either gone, backing up, or hurt) as well... so mine might be prospect heavy.

If all goes well with Schierholtz, he could definitely bat behind or in front(!?) of Bonds, but I imagine we're looking at another year of Molina in the 5 hole, every now and then spelled by Lewis, Feliz (assuming a re-up), and Schierholtz.

I also have the feeling Klesko will get another year since there's almost no way to retool the infield for next season, and Bochy has a habit of batting him third.

Ugh... this is depressing me...

BEST CASE SCENARIO!!!

A. Rodriguez
B. Bonds
Schierholtz (the good version)/Vilallona (ha!)/SomeGoodFA

I feel a little better now.

So that's my speculation, all off the very top of my head.

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 11:51 AM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Honest question here--why do you think Bonds will be back? I'm not saying he won't, but it doesn't seem to make a heck of a lot of sense to me. And I think that any lineup that has Molina hitting higher than 7th is a bad lineup. Feliz needs to go, Durham needs to go, and they need to play some young guys and change the way they play to more of a running game.

If you ask me, I would let Bonds go and try and get ARod.

by JT @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 13, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

To put it briefly, he'll be the best bat we can hope to land in the outfield, he won't be blocking anybody, he'll have a one year contract so any money we put dwn on him will be off the books in '09, he's still a revenue draw, there might be some excitement ovet 3000 hits in a season that is all but conceded to failure already.

But the basics are that the money for him will be there, there is nobody better to put on the team in left field in '08, he won't be blocking talent, and the one year contract will be gone before the rebuild comes around and we might need the money because f Zito's backloaded crap-greement.

A-rod, on the otherhand, will pull close to 30 mil a year for a long term contract, and while he'd be great to have on the team it's hard for me to believe that something like that wouldn't cripple any chance for success once Zito's contract begins to extend past 15 mil a year.

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Outside of Arod, he's still the best hitting FA available
He's a near-life-time Giant and should finish his career here
Only will take a 1-year contract

by zenbitz on Aug 13, 2007 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Fin fine! You caught me!

I failed all of me "brevity" classes in college...

I only graduated thanks to a dean pardon because I cried, at length...

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Winn
Bonds
Burrell

Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Aug 13, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Schierholtz
Bonds
Burrell

by mxmob33 on Aug 13, 2007 12:02 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Neifi Perez
Willie Mays
Stan Javier

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by Chulk on Aug 13, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

i like that one.
NEIfI steals teh bases!!!1!

this is a split signature of solidarity for Palestine and the current Giants "team".

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 13, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Is that Stan Javier with or without the moustache?

Jesse Foppert: Welcome home, my son. And meet your adopted brother, Kelvin Pichardo. He's from the Dominican Republic.

by leftymalo on Aug 13, 2007 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

gotta be with. the moustache always plays.

this is a split signature of solidarity for Palestine and the current Giants "team".

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 13, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions

"I don't always drink beer..."

... but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

Angels fly because they take Brian Sabean lightly.

by Mayor of 311 on Aug 14, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: "I don't always drink beer..."

weird because it's not a moustachy beer.

guiness is much more . . . "GAWUMPHAPAH!!!"

dos equis is more jeff kent porn stache kinda beer.

this is a split signature of solidarity for Palestine and the current Giants "team".

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 14, 2007 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Moe
Larry
Curly Joe (Curly signed with the Red Sox)

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Aug 13, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Russell Branyan
Barry Bonds
Pat Burrell

I hope?

this is a split signature of solidarity for Palestine and the current Giants "team".

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 13, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

...the killer bees, eh? but without the K, maybe.

"Bri-an Sab-e-an, I hope you're satisfied with what you've done..."

by The Gene Hackman on Aug 13, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

You actually hope for Russell Branyan in the 3 hole? Joke, yes?

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by leftymalo on Aug 13, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

hey the guy gets on base and has decent power. All i'm saying is that he's better than anything we have currently!

this is a split signature of solidarity for Palestine and the current Giants "team".

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 13, 2007 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Uh, no he is definitely not better than winn

by SabeanSupporter on Aug 13, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Branyan: 100 OPS+
Winn: 98 OPS+

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Aug 13, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

I hope you're joking with this comment. Is he a switch hitter? Is his defense as good? DOes he play every day? The answer is no to every one of those questions, so the fact the his fucking ops is 2 points higher than Winn's is irrelevant

by SabeanSupporter on Aug 14, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

shhh calm down. You overrate the value of switch hitting and Winn's defense. If he played every day i'm sure he'd be able to balance out his extraordinarily ugly .197 batting average. Also, it is OPS+, park adjusted and neutralized. Branyan has performed averagely, despite the ungodly BA. Winn has been almost the same, just a little less. given playing time, I believe Russell Branyan would make a fine addition to a lineup and a well deserved respite from Happy Pete at third. Now please, calmez-vous and keep the profanities to a minimum.

Thanks,

Tyler

this is a split signature of solidarity for Palestine and the current Giants "team".

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 14, 2007 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

I think you're absolutely wrong. There's a reason he's never been a full time player. HE sucks

by SabeanSupporter on Aug 15, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

lol, no I definitely don't think he's better than Winn, but I'm just pointing that out.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Aug 14, 2007 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Ernie
Cookie Monster
Big Bird

Congrats, Barry. You're the best there ever was in this game.

by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2007 12:17 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Louisa May Alcott (great table-setter)
Grandma Moses (savvy vet)
Carmen Miranda (slop-hacker with pop)

Emma Lazarus might also be available, but i heard she's holding out for a multi-year deal.

Friend to the aardvark community.

by leewhee on Aug 13, 2007 12:18 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Salami
Salami
Baloney

by satyricrash on Aug 13, 2007 12:30 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

3 Winn
4 Surly
5 Chris Carpenter (for Lowry, Sanchez and Schierholtz)

by seyheystretch on Aug 13, 2007 12:34 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Jake Taylor
Pedro Cerrano
Roger Dorn

Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: Welcome Back!

by sfgreg on Aug 13, 2007 12:36 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Didn't Taylor bat in the 2 hole? Laid down the bunt after Hayes swiped second?

Now I'm curious. I think the top four were:

Willie Mays Hayes - CF
Jake Taylor - C
Roger Dorn - 3B
Pedro Cerrano - RF

by The Balls of Summer on Aug 13, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

I believe you've got that right, but what the hell was a an old catcher with bad knees doing batting #2?

Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Aug 13, 2007 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

You are underestimating his veteran savvy.

by Sandor Clegane on Aug 13, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

I'm wondering exactly the same thing.

Omar says, "Dammit gaffer! Bring in a few defenders, a mid-fielder or two, and nice pull w/Alan Smith."

by PacBellBoozer on Aug 13, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Scary Spice
Sporty Spice
Baby Spice

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by Chulk on Aug 13, 2007 12:39 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

What happened to Old Spice?

by Widget on Aug 13, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Or Really Old Spice?

by Widget on Aug 13, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Joan Collins?

by satyricrash on Aug 13, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Oh, oh, oh...I'll have one Sporty and one Baby to go please!

Omar says, "Dammit gaffer! Bring in a few defenders, a mid-fielder or two, and nice pull w/Alan Smith."

by PacBellBoozer on Aug 13, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Dibs on scary!

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Pierre (Sabes takes him off Ned's hands)
Winn
Roberts

TEAM SPEED

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Aug 13, 2007 1:07 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Carmen Electra
Jessica Alba
Rachelle Aurilia

Giants Cove: You'll be a better person for reading

by Chulk on Aug 13, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

could jose lima's wife lead off?

this is a split signature of solidarity for Palestine and the current Giants "team".

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 13, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Isn't it Raquel?

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Woops

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by Chulk on Aug 13, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

I really don't know, but I suspect the #4 hitter is going to be a premiere talent with at least 500 home runs.

by Skaldheim on Aug 13, 2007 1:53 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Raffy Palmiero?

by Roger on Aug 13, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Nicely played.

Maybe Frank Thomas, though.

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

If by some miracle the Giants sign A-Rod (and if, by some second, unrelated miracle the contract doesn't cripple the team for the next seven years), he's going to be batting 3rd, in front of Barry!

Whoo! Drink the juice!

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

IF we had both Bonds and ARod, wouldn't you bat Barry 3rd to take advantage of the (now-dwindling) times the opponents walk him semi-intentionally?

Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 14, 2007 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

There is logic there. I'm still not sure about batting Barry 3rd anymore, but there is logic there.

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by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Bobby Estellea
Doug Mirabelli
Yorvit Torrealba

Sagundase....DAJAUNEE QUEEPEY!!!! (proud adopter of Mr. Kruk and Sir Kuip)

by iNOeverything on Aug 13, 2007 2:34 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Doris Murphy
Dottie Hinson
Marla Hooch

by sdsukat01 on Aug 13, 2007 3:18 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

I just threw this in Grant's "Frustration Spilleth Over" which is now kinda dead so... as a resource I don't see being mentioned, how about whatever the Japanese league has to offer. There's a guy (Fukudome) who has had a few 30hr 100rbi seasons recently and whose career stats look to be on the upswing (versus alot of the free agents we're talking about). He'll be 31 next season, which isn't young young, but hey, it's basically compensating for the lack of run producers from our system. I have no idea whether his success would translate to the bigs.
Also, this is your invitation to point at me and laugh, but why not give our own Scott "Jack Cust" McClain a shot this September? 26 big flies already this season. I know "career minor leaguer for a reason" blah blah blah. All the conventional wisdom says "no", but with our minor league situation, why not?

by lucecooler on Aug 13, 2007 4:49 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

There is some discussion and some links on Fukudome here: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/story/2007/8/7/17043/46111

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Aug 13, 2007 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Thanks. And I thought I was bringing breaking news...

by lucecooler on Aug 14, 2007 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Under 190 lb left handed power from Japan isn't going to translate at all at AT&T Park. This would be a huge mistake.

by giantsrainman on Aug 13, 2007 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Plus he just underwent shoulder surgery.

by Roger on Aug 13, 2007 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions

FREE SCOTT McCLAIN!!!

Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 14, 2007 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Who (1st Base)
What (2nd Base)
IDunno (3rd base)

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by iNOeverything on Aug 13, 2007 7:11 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Fukudome
FukuBochy
FukuSabean

Randy Messenger says,"doubleheader on Monday?? Give me the damn ball. I'll save the first game and pitch a shutout in game two!!"

by rxmeister on Aug 13, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

I was waiting for this one...

by lucecooler on Aug 14, 2007 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

who
guess who

and
5. yes

"Bri-an Sab-e-an, I hope you're satisfied with what you've done..."

by The Gene Hackman on Aug 13, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Ty Cobb
Marge Schott
Al Campanis

I say to Kevin Correia what Laurence Olivier said to Neil Diamond in The Jazz Singer: "I hef no son!"

by VidaWantsYourCar on Aug 13, 2007 9:57 PM PDT reply actions

Heavy Hitting Bigots, Lightweight Humanitarians

Mixing his pitches, Bryant sneaks his All-KKK pitch across the plate.

;-)

by Moggeee on Aug 13, 2007 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Baseball at Bernie's

And sneaking across dead people is no small task.

I say to Kevin Correia what Laurence Olivier said to Neil Diamond in The Jazz Singer: "I hef no son!"

by VidaWantsYourCar on Aug 13, 2007 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Baseball at Bernie's

Eh. The Giants have done it all year.

by Moggeee on Aug 13, 2007 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Baseball at Bernie's

Scanning the roster, what Bochy always says: "I hef no bats."

by Moggeee on Aug 14, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

What I'd like...

Bobby Abreu via FA
Barry Bonds
Pat Burrell at 1B via trade

realistically

Winn
Burrell
Durham

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by NeifiChicken on Aug 14, 2007 1:58 AM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

What? No, uh... Lowry? (see what I did there?! Ignore that it has no relevance to the parent comment, and just enjoy my foggy 2am on a Tuesday morning wordplay).

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by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2007 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

My best guess:

Winn
Glaus
Molina

...as the Giants' 2008 season ends not with a bang, but a whimper.

Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 14, 2007 6:52 AM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Pestilence
Famine
Plague

But Bochy says the team is still "trying" every game.

I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on Aug 14, 2007 7:00 AM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Pestilence retired and gave way to Pollution years ago. Keep up.

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by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Hahah at Russel Branyan being better than anything we have, I would honestly rather have Durham back, did you watch the Pads play all year, the guy was barely ahead of the Mendoza line with very little power. If we picked up A-Rod there is no way Bonds would not hit in front of him, are you serious, think about it Bonds walks ALL THE TIME and A-Rod walks less than a 100 times a year
3.Doesn't matter
4.Bonds
5.our offense will still suck

by GiantDieHard22 on Aug 14, 2007 4:14 PM PDT reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

OHOHO A TERRIBLE BATTING AVERAGE IN VERY LITTLE PLAYING TIME, THAT GUY MUST BE A PIECE OF SHIT!!!

do some research: the guy is a way above average on-base guy with some definite punch. He's a great option for third.

THINK ABOUT IT!!! AROD IS GOING TO COST 30 MILLION; WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

if you have branyan, who walks all the time, followed by Bonds, who walks all the time, you are going to have a lot of baserunners: a key ingrdient for scoring runs.

this is a split signature of solidarity for Palestine and the current Giants "team".

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 14, 2007 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: 3-4-5 in 2008?

Oh man oh man, do some research??? What did you just become a baseball fan yesterday, Russel Branyan is not a good hitter and never has been. He has pop, that is it. He is hitting .202 in 124 at-bats this season. A career .230 hitter in 1800 career at-bats, and his career OBP is an AMAZING .327 and this year an even better .324 and your telling me to do some research. There was a reason he was designated for assignment by a team with no pop to begin with. Don't you think the Padres would have hung onto him if he was as good as you say he is. I'm not sure where this, walks all the time came from either, 24 walks in 124 at bats to go along with 50 k's. To compare Pedro has been up 431 times and struck out a whopping 46 times. Pedro has more pop than Branyan and is a much better defender than anybody we could sign.

by GiantDieHard22 on Aug 18, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions