State of the Giants (Infield)
Well, watching the team isn't very fun right now, so I decided to run down the roster and take a look at performance and contracts. I am on record as saying that Sabean didn't put together a horrible team this year. Not a great team, but certainly not horrible. The team's actual record is 49-66, but its pythagorean record based on Runs Scored and Runs allowed is 55-60, even with the poor performances. Unfortunately for Sabean and for us, no one has had a career year, and every one of the vets save Randy Winn has completely tanked. It was foreseeable that the team wouldn't win 90 games, but it wasn't exactly reasonable to think they would be this bad. With that in mind, on to the players, by position:
Catcher
Bengie Molina
07:$4M, 08:$6M, 09:$6M (plus some bonuses)
2007 Line: .272/.294/.416
Since ASB: .244/.269/.400
Oh my. Catcher is not a position that ages well, and yet, Sabean signed Molina through 2009 despite having little competition. Bengie's early season heroics aside, he hasn't hit well, and it isn't his home park (.739 home OPS, .680 road OPS). This is ugly and unlikely to get better as Bengie goes into his age 33 and 34 seasons. Awful signing, and the team will either have to eat the $6m Bengie is owed each of the next two seasons or just have a catcher who sucks. That would be easier to do if the team didn't suck at many other positions.
Eliezer Alfonzo, Guillermo Rodriguez
Minimum salary or close to it for both.
Serviceable backups. Nothing to see here. This is Alfonzo's job when he returns.
Minor League Help: Justin Knoedler. Nothing to indicate he will be much better or worse than Alfonzo and Rodriguez.
First Base
Ryan Klesko
07: $1.5M, with additional $0.25M donated to Klesko's foundation
2007 Line: .266/.355/.415
Since ASB: .202/.290/.281
The good news is that Klesko is a FA at the end of the season. It seems as if opposing teams has figured out that Klesko no longer has HR power, so they go right after him, and he can't do anything with the pitches. He was a nice FA flyer, but Lance Niekro might be a better choice at this point, especially against LHP. Klesko will be gone after this season, so look forward to a FA signing of... uhhh... Kevin Millar? Ok, maybe not. 1B for the Giants next year will either be manned by a converted OFer or someone acquired by trade, or both. I would like to see the Giants get the Phillies to eat a chunk of Pat Burrell's salary and put him at 1B. If not, just pay Pat the Bat's $14m for next year and clear the $$ for 2009.
Rich Aurilia
07:$3.5M, 08:$4.5M
2007 Line: .253/.299/.273
Since ASB: .262/.326/.381 (in 46 PA)
Aurilia at 3B was one thing. Aurilia at 1B is entirely another. Also, why did Sabean sign Aurilia for two years? At any rate, it isn't just his home park that is killing him, as Aurilia is worse on the road than at home. FWIW, Aurilia has battled injuries this year. At any rate, the team hasn't exactly missed him, and now they get to pay him $4.5m next year for no apparent reason. Trade Aurilia? Heh. Good luck.
Minor League Help: Lance Niekro. I know, Niekro isn't much "help," but have you seen the numbers for the other guys? Maybe he can mash some lefties.
Second Base
Ray Durham
07:$7M, 08:$7.5M
2007 Line: .230/.306/.365
Since ASB: .167/.261/.250 (!!)
Congratulations, Ray, you are the 2007 San Francisco Giants LVP! Remember the 2006, 127 OPS+ bundle of power-hitting awesome that was the Sugahman? The sweetness is gone. Ray sucks at home, on the road, as a LHB, as a RHB - complete suck. His defense is subpar, he no longer has speed, he no longer has power. Is he hurt? Let's hope so, because his $7.5m salary means that nobody will want him. He could get traded in the offseason, but the team may have to eat some salary.
Kevin Frandsen
Minimum Salary
2007 Line: .219/.280/.281
Since ASB: .127/.155/.127
In case you are wondering why Durham is still in the lineup, Frandsen's line provides some clues. Still, Free Kevin Frandsen! With the season lost, it is long past time to give Frandsen a chance to get regular ABs at a regular position. His minor league numbers say that he is better than this and he lacks the alarming K rates of Todd Linden. Frandsen may not be the answer, but no one else in the organization is either. Pencil him in at 2B every day, Bochy.
Minor League Help: None. (Come on - Bergolla and Ochoa? That isn't "help")
Third Base
Pedro Feliz
07: $5.1m plus some bonuses for PA
2007 Line: .254/.293/.425
Since ASB: .311/.357/.481 (!)
Is Pedro Feliz the most predictable guy in baseball? His line is basically the same every year. Don't be fooled by the second half numbers. Pedro is 32 years old, and although he may put up a career year, he isn't going to be substantially a different player than he is now. He won't learn to hit the slider. He won't learn patience. That doesn't mean he isn't a useful player, as he is a great fielder - no - an EXCELLENT fielder. The best in baseball at 3B, Feliz actually saves countless runs. OK, we can count them, actually. Given that the going rate for marginal wins in MLB is about $2.5m per, Feliz has outperformed his salary (3.2 WARP so far!). Does this mean that Feliz should get a $9-$10m contract for next year? Probably not on this offense-challenged team, but keeping Feliz in his old supersub backup role would be a good move - brilliant 3B, great 1B, passable OF, SS in a pinch? Why not? His numbers against LHP are pretty decent too. Mike Lowell would be a fine replacement, but not for 3 years, ok Sabean?
Backups: see Aurilia and Frandsen
Minor League Help: Justin Leone. Leone isn't very good, but he probably isn't much worse than Feliz. Remember, we need upgrades.
Shortstop
Omar Vizquel
07:$4M ($0.1m bonus for Gold Glove)
2007 Line: .256/.310/.315
Since ASB: .314/.381/.373
Nearly at the end of a brilliant career, Omar looked for all the world like he had tumbled straight off the cliff this season. Fortunately for Omar, the team has no viable alternative at SS. Let's say that again: the Giants have no viable alternative for a 40-year-old SS. Dreamy will be a reasonable defensive SS until age 60, but his defense would need to be at Adam Everett-type levels to justify having his bat in the lineup. Sure, if the team gets two big bats to go with Bonds next year then maybe Omar would be ok, but when you realize that one of the OF spots is probably going to be Winn, Lewis, or Schierholtz, that there is no top offensive 2Bman available, that Feliz may be back, that 1B may not be that great... what's the point? Unfortunately, David Eckstein is probably the top SS FA after this season. We're going to suck next year.
Backup: Frandsen, who can't really play SS. Aurilia can't play SS anymore either.
Minor League Help: heh. Bergolla? Ochoa? De la Rosa? That other guy? So none. We are a good two-three years away from Burriss or Bocock.
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Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
The pigeons will be coming home to roost. Thank you, Brian Sabean, for your careful foresight.
by Lyle on Aug 12, 2007 7:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by NearestNorwich on Aug 12, 2007 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Omar might be really lucky. His post-ASB BABIP is .330, but it was .263 before the break, so nothing was falling in. He deserves a bit of turnaround in luck, but yeah, he shouldn't be expected to do much next year. But who is going to be available?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro?
by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 12, 2007 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by oldjacket on Aug 12, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by English Professor on Aug 12, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by Aadik on Aug 12, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by rxmeister on Aug 12, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
Pass.
by jponry on Aug 12, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
From what I could find googling around, he was +5 from 00-03. So a very poor hitter and a slightly above average defender at best (or so it seems)... to be honest, I'd rather bring Omar back for a year.
by jponry on Aug 12, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by groug on Aug 12, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
These decisions shouldn't be made in a vacuum, of course. It really comes down to [Feliz value at SS, offense and defense, plus Potential 3B value, offense and defense]. If the team can get a better SS and keep Feliz at 3B, and that predicted value outweighs Feliz at SS and potential 3B, then do so. If not, then go the other way around.
All of these decisions are going to hinge on cost as well. What I question is whether the Giants do anything to attempt to quantify these values in terms of price and wins. I would bet that they don't.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pedro?
by BawLa on Aug 13, 2007 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
by senorvegas on Aug 12, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
Each number is runs saved per 150 games at the player's primary position, unless otherwise noted. Every 10 runs either way equals a win.
Klesko: +13 (didn't think that, did you?)
Durham: -6
Frandsen: +10 2B (small sample, even smaller sample at other positions)
Vizquel: +21
Feliz: +43 (WOW - probably won't be that good at end of season)
Aurilia: small samples throughout, but biggest sample is +19 at 1B.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
by NearestNorwich on Aug 12, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
How good can you be at 1B, though? One way that a fielder gets huge UZR numbers (e.g. Kevin Millar) is by moving into the second baseman's zone, which is fairly pointless given that the 2Bman probably would have made the play anyway. It also means that the play is harder because the 1Bman has to go to the pitcher covering.
It doesn't really matter, though, because Aurilia doesn't have half the bat to play first.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
by jponry on Aug 12, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for NONE
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 12, 2007 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: I vote for All of the Above
by E Ticket on Aug 12, 2007 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
36
Multi year contracts into 2008
Roberts
Winn
Molina
Durham
Aurelia
Zito
Bochy
Sabaen
"Ladies and Gentlemen; YOUR 2008 SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS!"
by E Ticket on Aug 12, 2007 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: 36
by rod beck on Aug 13, 2007 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sfgreg on Aug 12, 2007 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Aug 12, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sfgreg on Aug 12, 2007 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Azmanz on Aug 12, 2007 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 12, 2007 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
For those who don't know who I am talking about check him out:
by giantsrainman on Aug 13, 2007 12:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
There were reports that he had some weaknesses going to his backhand, which made him a less than adequate option in the infield.
by jponry on Aug 13, 2007 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2007 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
by paboperfecto on Aug 13, 2007 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
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by paboperfecto on Aug 13, 2007 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
People have been suggesting that Bonds play first for years now, to no avail.
It's his bat that makes a difference to the team, though, not his defense, and if we have somebody like Davis in CF, anyway, we can easily afford limited range in left.
Anyway, my only point is that the difference between Bonds at first and Bonds in left won't likely be enough to make a reasonable difference (if the numbers don't supprt that, though, I'm happy to relent), so the suggestion isn't much more than somebody unnecessarily shuffling things around to try to convince themself what they know is true to begin with but don't want to admit foll bore: Bonds in '08 is good for the Giants.
The argument about Bonds playing first limiting his running and possibly keeping him healthier and fresher is an intriuing one that I would definitely entertain, and we could DEFINITELY use a power hitting first baseman, though we'd still have to more or less replace his power in left...
I just don't see Barry playing first base, though. Does anybody?
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2007 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It seems as if anyone can play first base, but remember Sheffield at first? Piazza at first? Bonds at first, even if he is willing to try it, could be an absolute disaster. I don't see it happening at all.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Aug 13, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by paboperfecto on Aug 13, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Aug 13, 2007 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: State of the Giants (Infield)
"$0.25M donated to Klesko's foundation".
Maybe they'll discover a cure for jerkitude and a vaccine for sucking a$$ by February. A baseball park is a terrible thing to waste.
BB
by BlackDougal on Aug 13, 2007 6:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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