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174246766_ea2fd78204_tiny by Grant Brisbee on in News

Salomon Torres
Jose Cruz, Jr.
Livan Hernandez
Matt Morris

I hesitate to use the word "choker" -- it isn't like most of those guys were trying to choke -- but those are four players who had a chance to really, really help the San Francisco Giants with a good performance. They couldn't. Morris's situation was a little different, as he spread his ineptitude over several games, but the result was the same.

It's hard to blame Sabean because I'm guessing any Morris offers were of the "okay, you give us $5M and Matt Morris, and we'll give you a 27-year-old AA backup catcher"-variety.

EDIT: Morris was traded to the Pirates for Rajai Davis and a player to be named later. They'd better not be giving a whole bunch of salary back because this guy doesn't seem like he could crack the starting lineup in Fresno. Well, maybe that's not entirely accurate. If his performance in AAA this year is a new standard instead of a fluke, he could be a useful player. Probably not, though....

DOUBLE EDIT: Didn't see that he was a switch hitter with no discernible platoon split. He might be a nice guy to have around if Lewis and Schierholtz are on the same roster. I was never a big Dan Ortmeier fan, so maybe Davis can be the Jason Ellison of the future? Yay?

TRIPLES ALLEY EDIT: According to Henry Schulman of the Chronicle, the Giants are not sending money back in the deal. Awesome. Thanks to Skaldheim/Jefferson for the heads up.

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Re: Nothing.
He is now my least favorite Giant.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

what a prickface
WE FIGHT WARS! WE CHEAT ON SPOUSES! WE LISTEN TO THE STEVE MILLER BAND! BUT IF WE THROW OURSELVES INTO SOMETHING GLORIOUS AS BASEBALL ALL IS FORGIVEN!" -PECOTA

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

addendum: peace out, asshole.
WE FIGHT WARS! WE CHEAT ON SPOUSES! WE LISTEN TO THE STEVE MILLER BAND! BUT IF WE THROW OURSELVES INTO SOMETHING GLORIOUS AS BASEBALL ALL IS FORGIVEN!" -PECOTA

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I hate that fucker.
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 31, 2007 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
The "refresh" button on my computer is broken. That is the only possible explanation. Otherwise, I'd have to draw the conclusion that that $#$! Sabean did NOTHING. ARRRRRGGGHHH!
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on Jul 31, 2007 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I'm sure they're just too busy setting up the press conferences to update everyone on Giants trade news. Right?

Right?

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Exactly.  The Giants' PR people are just making sure that they are spelling Wladimir Balentien correctly on the press releases.
Who dat is? That's just Ortmeier's daddy.

by rotorueter on Jul 31, 2007 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I don't blame Matt Morris. I blame the guy who gave him that contract. If you look at all the players that were traded the last couple of days, there's not a player on that list who makes the money for 2008 that Matt Morris does. (or Ray Durham for that matter) By overpaying for mediocre talent, Brian Sabean priced himself right out of the trade deadline. Be thankful though, because he COULD have traded young pitching, and really made us angry!!
Randy Messenger: "Who's that fat ugly guy in the Marlin's bullpen that's sitting in my seat??"

by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2007 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I disagree - the FA market this past offseason made Morris' contract perfectly reasonable - for somebody decent.  He pitched his way out of a respectable trade.  If we had dealt Morris a month ago (when he was getting All-Star hype (HA!)) we could've had Wlad Balentien for him.
WE FIGHT WARS! WE CHEAT ON SPOUSES! WE LISTEN TO THE STEVE MILLER BAND! BUT IF WE THROW OURSELVES INTO SOMETHING GLORIOUS AS BASEBALL ALL IS FORGIVEN!" -PECOTA

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I am stunned that no major league team was going to take our overpriced, crap players.  The huge downside is not making room for Nate and Fred.  

by out machine on Jul 31, 2007 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
But I thought Matt's deal was a steal now after last offseason and teams would be lining up with their top prospects to acquire him!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
If there's a silver lining, it's that the Braves have now pushed all-in and they still haven't fixed the back of their rotation. They may yet take Morris off our hands.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Shoot, I still think Morris is an easy sell job, even if you're not getting back premium prospects.  He's in an unhappy situation (look at his homer chase comments) playing for a losing team.  Moved to a contender without the distraction of Bonds, Morris is more likely to revert back to his former numbers, as he's had a 20 win season already and he knows how to pitch.

I'm not saying every GM out there would buy all that, but the unhappy player and lousy team should entice some teams.

"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 31, 2007 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
If that's true then why is he still here?

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 31, 2007 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
My point, Mike, is that Sabes SHOULD be able to sell Morris to other GMs.  But he didn't.  Seriously, Morris is a much better option than some of the pitchers who actually got traded.

But now Morris is just serving to piss us all off.

"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I dunno.  The "he used to be good, so just because he hasn't been for the last couple years doesn't mean he won't be again" argument doesn't seem to work nearly as well on other GMs around the league as it does on Sabean.

Hell, Sabean probably just convinced HIMSELF that Morris will still revert to his old self, so trading him wouldn't make sense.

I hate this team.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Who is Morris a better option than? Especially when you consider salaries?

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Dammit...  The salary thing now has me stumped.  Comment retracted.  Still think he should have been at least a reasonable alternative to some club somewhere.
"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 31, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
There's only two things that Morris knows about pitching.

Its hard to do
He can't do it anymore

Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Sounds like the Barry Bonds philosophy on hitting.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
except for the whole part where Barry is still a great hitter, but yeah!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
The only bright spot will be if Sabean talks the talk (from KNBR last week) and that, regardless of whether veterans got traded or not, the youngsters (Lewis, Frandsen, Schierholtz, etc.) are going to see a lot more playing time beginning in August, even if the high-priced vets had to sit on the bench 3-4 times a week.
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Jul 31, 2007 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
He might have to release some vets to make sure Bochy doesn't play them....

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
true
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I hate it when GMs do that to their managers.
Dude, where's my job?

by The Real Dusty Baker on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Giants Roster Shakeup

Klesko and Aurelia:  Ball Dudes
Winn and Roberts:  Base Coaches
Feliz:  Bullpen catcher
Morris BP pitcher
Durham Molina BP outfield shaggers.
Kline: Lou Seal
Vizquel: San Diego Groundskeeper

Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Feliz: bullpen catcher
no way! that'd put my guy Billy Hayes out of a job.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jobs Hotline
Zito: Lead Guitarist for the 7th inning stretch
Cain: Late inning Bouncer when beer sales stop
Correia: Kayak and surfboard rentals
Thighler Walker: HotDog Wrapper/Hotdog Rapper

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Jobs Hotline
Thighler Walker: HotDog Wrapper/Hotdog Rapper

Hiphopopotamus?

If you root for the Dodgers, the terrorists have already won.

by SF Pete on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Waive everyone
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Hi, everybody!
Hi, Dr, Nick!
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

so sad!!!
tip ya 40s yall
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
the idea that Morris is an unhappy player is inaccurate. He might not be thrilled with the offensive support he has received, or the Bonds homerun distraction, but he still said last week that he loves San Francisco and he signed with the Giants because he wanted to pitch for the Giants. A couple of comments he made while frustrated hardly makes him a malcontent.
Randy Messenger: "Who's that fat ugly guy in the Marlin's bullpen that's sitting in my seat??"

by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Of course that's the PR spin
He signed with the giants probably because they were the only team dumb enough to offer him a 3/27 deal.

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
True. But its the way he pitches unapologetically, particularly in view of the recent fiascos with Benitez, Tomko, and Wright that makes a lot of us rather testy.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I wouldn't say he's a malcontent at all.  He clearly wants to play in SF, but he's also clearly unhappy that the team is terrible and that there's the homer distraction going on.
"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Yogi:  I think that's what he just wrote. Which is almost as good as money.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I'm sorry...but if he didn't want to be a part of the Bonds HR distraction, he shouldn't of put the pen to paper.  It's not like this thing came from out of nowhere.  

Morris should just piss off already.  He's fooling himself if he thinks the recent sellouts at the Phone Booth are because everyone wants to see his weathered ass get shelled on the mound.  

Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Ballplayers make a minimum salary of $380K a year.  I don't know how any of them could really truly be unhappy PEOPLE.  Morris just seems like he'd prefer to be making the rest of his millions of dollars with a different team.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Can't buy me love...but you can give me the cash.
They say you're a pitcher; you certainly aren't much of a dresser.

by CystedTwister on Jul 31, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

boycott the giants
simple economics. the giants suck.  don't attend the games, don't watch the games, don't buy anything giants related.  

return when they get the message.  

sabean is still fighting the last war

by boycottgiants on Jul 31, 2007 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: boycott the giants
I've actually been doing this for a while now

by giants92388 on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: boycott the giants
Over here too. Since 2003 when Magowan turned on Baker, hired that old fool Alou and started sticking his nose into personnel decisions, starting with  replacing Kent with a lamer 2 for 1 Durham and Fatgardo.

Not a single cent since 2002.

Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: boycott the giants
Eh, I like baseball too much to boycott it. That said, I'm really looking forward to the 49ers.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: BECAUSE
They're not the Packers?!?
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: BECAUSE
...or The Raiders! (Apologies to my Bro & Son)

by Jakespaar on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
thats what we got
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Usually we catch an STD this time every year.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Thats true I guess its better to be "the 40 year Old virgin", then a walking STD
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Joy of the Giants, and STDs
It's better to have loved and lost, then to never have had a burning sensation at all.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Fuck Matty Mo.  Fuck Sabean.  Fuck Magowan.  Fuck the World.
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

FTW ftw!
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: FTW ftw!
I often translate FTW (in my head) as "Fuck the What?"

by zenbitz on Jul 31, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: FTW ftw!
Way ahead of you.
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Seriously, getting shelled every start for a month leading up to the trade deadline.. You have to marvel at that. Good job Matt, way to not even have one decent start while the scouts are watching.

Morris is easily my least favorite Giant.

by mxmob33 on Jul 31, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Yeah with me he has joined the ranks of Mando, Marvin Bernard , Livan and Athlee Hamakeer to name a few.
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Don't forget Fatgardo.  Or, of course, the immortal Steve Finley.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I wonder if Sabes was offered anything for Morris six weeks ago and was holding out for more or hoping the team would jump back in to contention.
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Can Magowan, Baer and Sabaen DFA each other?
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Zero Sum Ballgame.
No, but they DO cancel each other out.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
"It's hard to blame Sabean"

Actually it's not very hard. He signed all these dipshits.

by MikeyJ on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Well, that statement is true if it continues "... because no one wants the mediocre players he signed at the albatross salaries he offered."
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I haven't felt this... deflated since the draft.

It seems like the two things everyone was saying about this season was that (1) the draft and (2) the trade deadline were key for our future prospects.

Now, the draft was probably good (not so much if Fairley and Bumgarner never get signed), but it wasn't really what we were hoping for/expecting. The trade deadline has obviously been an absolute abortion.

I mean... why did they re-sign Sabean again?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

leverage!
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Yea, the whole Sabean resigning sounds more and more like a bag of crap. I thought he was resigned because they didn't want him looking like a lame-duck and getting taken advantage of. Too bad he just got pwned in the face anyways. Again.

Secretary: "Sir, Brian Sabean is on the phone, he says he might have some players we're interested in."

Every GM in the League: "Pfffffff hahahha. Tell him Accardo, Liriano, and Bonser say "Hi!"."

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
I know we're all pissed off. But repeatedly calling the players dipshits isn't working either. I'm not gonna boycott the team, I'll watch them suck for a while.

I guess I just have to trust old sackapotatoes Bochy to play the younguns.

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

'scuse me while I whip this out...
Here's a cliche to make you all feel better:

"Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make."

There, wasn't that a glass of warm milk before bedtime?

Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: 'scuse me while I whip this out...
It's a cliche because it's often true.  Maybe not this time, but often.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: 'scuse me while I whip this out...
Yeah, I agree that it would have been a really good trade to get anything for Sweeney or something decent (considering the Linebrink haul) for Kline.  And Sabean didn't make that trade.  So that's a case of you aphorism, I think.
Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jul 31, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drink it and shaddup, kid
Daaaaadd!!

My warm wilk has hunks of cottage cheese, colonized by potato bugs, floating in it!

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Just got a text alert from ESPN...Morris to PIT for Rajai Davis and a PTBN

Not on Trade Rumors...anyone else see this anywhere?

by sfgiantsflgators on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
yes, they just announced it on KNBR also

by Merope on Jul 31, 2007 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
MLB.com sez Matty Mo's a goner.

So do we owe Sabean an apology?

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Woohoo!!  Talk about last minute.  I'll reserve judgment until I hear the complete terms, but one of two scenarios here is quite acceptable:
  1. PIT takes on all of Morris' salary;
  2. We toss in a wad of cash and the players we get back are good prospects.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Don't know if it warrants an apology or not - who the hell is this guy anyway.

by sfgiantsflgators on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
No clue. I'm waiting to hear who the PTBNL is.

Wow, it's come to this.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Giants official web site also has that. Davis sounds like another fast outfielder with little power. Just what we need.

by raisingcain on Jul 31, 2007 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
...with six you get egg roll...

by Merope on Jul 31, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exciting Future For Us All
Starting in right field and hitting 8th, Egg Fu Ledee!

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
What do we want THIS for?
Tony Perezchica: Just like Tony Perez, only a girl!

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Hopefully, it means we just saved a ton of money on our car insurance by switching to Not!Morris.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
he's not Matt Morris
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Does this mean Grant has to change the title of this thread as "Something"?
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
well piss on me ... please god tell me we didnt kick in any cash in this deal.  
"I've got a few ideas I'd like to bounce off Sabean." "Odd, because I have a few objects I'd like to bounce off Sabean."

by jfucsd10 @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
hahaha why would the Pirates trade for Matt Morris?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Cost certainty + suck certainty = Right up the Pirates alley.
Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
They want the first pick in the draft next year?
If you root for the Dodgers, the terrorists have already won.

by SF Pete on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
They're severely lacking in veteran savvy and beard points.
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nothing.
Is nothing better than next-to-nothing with speed?
Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
This deal seems to make no sense.  

by out machine on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'm guessing salary dump, which is perfectly okay with me.  Matt Morris is 10% or more of the 2008 payroll, after all.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Any deal that gets buttface out of here, even if it means picking up portable toilets for a year, makes sense.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Fred Lewis is not amused.
Tony Perezchica: Just like Tony Perez, only a girl!

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
So instead of getting rid of veteran players so that the rookies can prove themselves, Sabean gets another unproven rookie outfielder. "Very Nice!"

Renel: "Your attention please, now playing in right field, Fred Lewis, Nate Schierholtz, Rajai Davis and Dan Ortmeier. Moving from shortstop to the entire infield, Omar Vizquel. Now catching for the Giants, Kevin Frandsen."

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'm confused because don't we have like seventeen outfielders?

BLB
Randay
Roberts
Fast Freddie
Ort
Schierholz

that's enough outfielders! It seems like we'll have to get rid of someone else to even make room for Davis.

Notgardo says: I aten't dead yet! My adopt-a-Giant speaks to Jesus Christ all night, and lives to tell the tale.

by tk on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yeah, but everyone but Ort is a lefty with a severe platoon split. Davis balances things out a bit.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Bonds 2007 OPS:

vs RHP: 1.049
vs LHP: 1.066

by sfmaynard on Jul 31, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
The Pirates! I knew there was a bigger fool somewhere.

This Davis guy sounds all right to me. Great speed, will take a walk, and bats right-handed, so he can spell all our lefties. Wonder how his glove is in center.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Absentmindedly, he left it there last night.

It hasn't moved much, but it seems to be doing fine.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Morris to the Pirates for another outfielder to add to our collection? Was this a panic trade?

by Caught Backcourt on Jul 31, 2007 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
probably, but as long as Sabes didn't agree to pay much (if any) of his salary for this and next year, I'm cool with that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who replaces Morris?
So we'll need another starting pitcher on Thursday or Friday.  Is Russ Ortiz coming back, or are we going to give J. Sanchez the job?

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Who replaces Morris?
I'm guessing they do something dumb like have Roos* start over Sanchez.

*Keep in mind I like Roos. I just like him better in the bullpen.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Who replaces Morris?
I'd rather see Sanchez myself, and I'm a fan of Russ Ortiz and his comeback.  My only concern is that converting him right now, instead of the offseason, might be rough on his arm.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Who replaces Morris?
That is my train of thought exactly.
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Who replaces Morris?
According to the official site, Russ Ortiz and Pat Misch are the leading candidates to replace Morris in the starting rotation.
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Selected by Pittsburgh in the 38th round of the June 2001 First-Year Player Draft...signed by Pirates scout Charlie Sullivan...rated by Baseball America as the organization's "Fastest Baserunner" prior to the 2005 season...2005 Eastern League All-Star (midseason)...2004 Carolina League All-Star (midseason and postseason)...2003 South Atlantic League All-Star (postseason)...2002 Gulf Coast League All-Star and Topps Player-of-the-Year...career Minor League totals include a .318 average (561-for-1824), 19 home runs, 168 RBIs and 177 stolen bases (226 attempts) in 472 games...Has hit .308 (127-for-412) against left-handed pitchers the last three seasons...1999 graduate of New London High School (Ct.), where he earned letters playing baseball, basketball and football...attended University of Connecticut at Avery Point in Groton, Ct...originally signed as a second baseman...began career as a switch hitter, but became full-time right-handed hitter prior to the 2004 season...(first name pronounced "RAHJ - ay")...resides in New London, Ct.

by benson11 on Jul 31, 2007 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Davis Bio
Selected by Pittsburgh in the 38th round of the June 2001 First-Year Player Draft...signed by Pirates scout Charlie Sullivan...rated by Baseball America as the organization's "Fastest Baserunner" prior to the 2005 season...2005 Eastern League All-Star (midseason)...2004 Carolina League All-Star (midseason and postseason)...2003 South Atlantic League All-Star (postseason)...2002 Gulf Coast League All-Star and Topps Player-of-the-Year...career Minor League totals include a .318 average (561-for-1824), 19 home runs, 168 RBIs and 177 stolen bases (226 attempts) in 472 games...Has hit .308 (127-for-412) against left-handed pitchers the last three seasons...1999 graduate of New London High School (Ct.), where he earned letters playing baseball, basketball and football...attended University of Connecticut at Avery Point in Groton, Ct...originally signed as a second baseman...began career as a switch hitter, but became full-time right-handed hitter prior to the 2004 season...(first name pronounced "RAHJ - ay")...resides in New London, Ct.

by benson11 on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
This can't be true, why would a crapy team like the Pirates take on Morris's salary.
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

38th round!
wtf!
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
So instead of getting rid of veteran players so that the rookies can prove themselves, Sabean gets another unproven rookie outfielder. "Very Nice!"

Renel: "Your attention please, now playing in right field, Fred Lewis, Nate Schierholtz, Rajai Davis and Dan Ortmeier. Moving from shortstop to the entire infield, Omar Vizquel. Now catching for the Giants, Kevin Frandsen."

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
This was funnier up above. Still pretty funny, though.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Sorry, i didn't mean to post up there, and my witt is in such short supply, I didn't want to waste it.
Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Not funny, just juvenile.  Jesus fucking Christ, for an hour people on here were about to comit hari kiri - because of NO movement.  Now we get a significant trade, and still many people here can find nothing but the bad side.  You deserve your own fucking company.
  We get rid of approx 10% of next year's salary on a guy not needed at all.  We pick up a guy with speed, defense and, as far as I can tell a 300+ BA.  We pick up a RH hitter, doing well in AAA.  So fucking what if it creates competition for Lewis, Schierholtz, et al?  Maybe one of them can be traded this winter.
  We save some $4 mil this year.  WE open a spot in the rotation, likely for Ortiz, who has been stretching out.  Sure, I'd like to see Misch, but I think he will be up and in the rotation before the year is out.  Everything can't happen in one day.  We DIDN'T trade young pitching.  Fucking A, we got something breathing for Morris.  I think I'll have a drink in celebration.  (think Benitez/Messenger).

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Here here!
"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 31, 2007 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'm with you...except the effing and J.C. But some good points!

by Buzzword on Jul 31, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I agree with your take on the trade, and I still found it funny.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
You're absolutely right.  Thank god for someone realizing that besides me. we dont have to pay any more of morris' salary, that is all i was hoping for after his last 6 shitty starts in row.  And to the people who think we could have traded morris a month ago, you're all wrong.  No one is going to give up anything a month before the trade deadline, it just doesn't make sense for a team to do that, so stop whinning about it.  If Billy Beane was in the same situation( he basically  is is with estaban loaiza)and just dumped his the rest of his contract off to another team and got some prospects in return you would be ranting and raving about what a great move it was and why can't sabean do something like that.  

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Isn't basically everyone in this post saying it was a good trade?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
not on the first half of this thread

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
yes, when people weren't aware that we were dumping all of Morris's salary in the deal.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
The first half of the thread, I believe, was posted before news of the trade broke.  So the anger was about no moves being made, not so much that Morris was traded for two virtual no-names in a cost-cutting move.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
well i didn't know that

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Well instead of rushing in and bashing other people (as you so often do), perhaps you should read a little bit.  If you're too lazy to keep up (or catch up) with the conversation, perhaps you could stay out of it.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOLaiza hasn't even pitched this year
It is not the same situation at all, please don't use that as an attempt to bolster our opinions on Brian Sabean.

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: LOLaiza hasn't even pitched this year
After this offseason i think you're going to start appreciating sabean a lot more than you think

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

We've seen what you think
and I think others think that you don't think and thus what you think I will think will definitely not be what I think.

(Good luck with that one chief)

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: We've seen what you think
Listen guy, first off im not your chief.  Second off Sabean deserves credit so you should fucking give him some.

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: We've seen what you think
Er, credit for what? I'm glad he managed to dump Morris and this is a nice start, but he's got a long way to go until most of us start worshiping at the altar of Sabes again.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: We've seen what you think
Like I said to awsomer, you're going to appreciate Sabean a lot more than you think after this off season.

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: We've seen what you think
Okay, and if that happens, I'll be sure to give him credit for a job well done. But I'm not going to slobber over him for something that hasn't happened yet.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: We've seen what you think
"first off im not your chief" is good. I'm going to have to use that one.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: We've seen what you think
Who are the chefs?
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: LOLaiza hasn't even pitched this year
Brian can I ask you something? Why did you sign Marvin Benard to 3yr 10M. is he really as many Giants fans thought Dusty Baker's illegitimate son?
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
One more thing.  I dont know how many threads i read the last couple of weeks  about how just being able to dump morris' contract would be sufficient enough for you.  We actually do that and more, and what do you know, its not enough for you.  Hypocrites you are all.

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
what the hell are you talking about? After we found out that we dumped all his salary, basically every comment has been in favor of the trade.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Wait, did Yoda just call us all hypocrites?

by dmunk on Jul 31, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Fuck off man...no need to take things so seriously.  I have been a loud critic of our shitheaded GM and have nothing bad to say about this deal.  Have an extra drink or seven, and maybe by tomorrow you're feelings won't be as hurt.
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Why dont you fuck off fat man.  It gets annoying when people don't complain about everything all the time.

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
It it as annoying as lurking in the shadows and only popping up your head when least appropriate?

FWIW...It's never been personal between me and you, at least on my side of things.  I'm sure you're a fine guy, I just think you're thoughts on this team are both ignorant and jaded.  If you'd prefer that I make it personal, just flash me the bat-signal and I'll be sure to call you out as the f'ing wanker that you are!

Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
You know whats funny, I feel the same exact way about you  you're opinion of the team is extremely arrogant and jaded.

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Except you've made it personal with the fat, single, stance on things.  For that reason alone you should of been banned a LONG time ago.  
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
hm, it looks like he could be a decent platoon partner for Freddie, but they need to dump Winn or Roberts.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Preferably both.  I suspect they'll find a taker for Roberts sometime in August.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
It does seem suspiciously like a "now we HAVE to get rid of Roberts" kind of move.

Since from what I can tell, this guy projects fine as a centerfielding leadoff switch hitter who steals. And we actually only have one of those. And he's really bad.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
He is no longer a switch hitter.  He converted to hitting exclusively from the right side a couple of years ago.

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Brian Sabean reminds me of a cat-lady, but instead of having like 10 cats, he has mediocre outfielders.
Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
LMAO,
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Suddenly, the Alex Sanchez signing finally makes sense.
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Jul 31, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I would be shocked if a team that spends no money like the Pittsburgh Pirates took on all of Morris' salary. I'm predicting the Giants are paying all of it for this year and half of it for next year.
Randy Messenger: "Who's that fat ugly guy in the Marlin's bullpen that's sitting in my seat??"

by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2007 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
I guess if we didn't send any $$$, its a good deal. We got to dump Matt's salary.
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
The Pirates! I can't get over the absurdity of that.

Morris is going to be pissed. Anybody think we'll get a venomous, uncensored anti-Bonds/anti-Sabean/anti-SF screed out of him now?

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
we can only hope
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
If we do, it won't be as venomous, uncensored, or as funny as your typical post from E.

Let's face it, Morris just fails.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'll welcome an anti-Sabean tantrum.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
But does anybody actually care what Morris thinks?

Have fun sucking in Pittsburgh, sucker.

by Rain Dog on Jul 31, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yeah, maybe we should all chip in and get him a neck brace - he'll really need it watching those shots leave the park in the NLeast

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Dear Brian Sabean, Barry Bonds, and Giants Fans:

"F*&% YOU!"

Love;

Matt Morris.

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Matt -
  You're welcome.
Giant's fans

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
He'll probably be offended that the Giants didn't get more for him in return.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
All parties got what they deserved out of this sewage tank of a deal.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
We'll see how he likes being caught up in the Jason Bay career homerun chase.  

Piss off Matty Mo.  If you bitch, this is what happens...you get exiled to Pittsburgh.  

Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
You would think Morris wouldn't be that pissed. Instead of going out their getting shelled in front of 40,000 eevry start, he gets to do it in front of 7. The boos shouldn't be as loud.
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Hey, I was peeved that Morris was still a Giant, so really, pretty much any deal at this point is welcome.  I'm a bit surprised that we couldn't get at least one really legit prospect, but then again, I gotta keep reminding myself that other GMs aren't as stupid as Sabean.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
If the Giants aren't kicking in any money, this is a great deal.

by KCE on Jul 31, 2007 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

This is terrible
Should've just kept Morris if it came to this, pray that he does something better next year and/or he'll look more attractive being in the final year of his contract. Trading him for a 26 year old OFer with no bat is exactly what you're not supposed to do.

This makes no sense whatsoever, which in reality makes total sense because Brian Sabean did it.

God Sabean is such a moran. If he sent any monies in this deal he should be fired.

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: This is terrible
I can't imagine the poor-sister Pirates picking up a lion's share of the Morris contract.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Irony alert!
What's a "moran"?
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
eh, he's always spelled it that way on purpose in every post I've seen of his.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
My fourth-grade teacher was a Moran.  He was one of the best teachers I ever had, too.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
Do you guys know the 49ers have a guy named Moran Norris on their preseason roster? Let's hope he's not a moran.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
he's actually a really badass blocking fullback.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
Bonus! I just singled him out for having a funny name. I'll get serious about football in November when I have properly mourned the passing of the baseball season.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
yeah, fullbacks don't get a lot of pub, but he was probably a big part of Frank's big season last year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
But... he was there last year, too!  Nolan and Co recently signed him to an extension.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
Now I am the moran!
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
Wow, please tell me you're joking?

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
How can you get excited about football in november?  College football starts in late august and nfl in early september.  Ive been wanting football to come for the past 2 months

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
because she prefers baseball, even when the Giants suck?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
And I usually need a brain break from minor league postseason stuff when SF Dugout is functional.

But basically you got it right.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
Hrm... not everyone is likes football.  And not everyone likes football as much as they like a losing baseball team.  Isn't that one of the age old battles?  Football fans vs baseball fans?

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

i is not likes football much
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
Also because college football is dull as shit.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
It depends on the matchup, really.  For the most part, though, I'd have to agree.  That is unless you're gamble on football games.  College point spreads definitely make for easier pickings than NFL  games.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
My interest in the college football season includes mocking Cal, consoling friends when their alma maters lose, wondering if Oregon will be worth a damn, and considering buying a ticket when/if the Ducks visit Cal and then talking myself out of it.

So I lied. It's mildly interesting.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
See the problem with you're statement that college football is dull as shit is that you've probably never been to a game where a 100,000 fans come to a school to cheer for their team, and they party from friday until sunday.  Conferences like the big 10 and sec, along with the Big 12 are extremely big on football unlike the pac-10.

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
I don't give a flying frig about conferences outside the Pac10 and the WAC. Those are actually interesting to me and I keep up on them. When I say college football is boring, I'm talking about the so called great Big 10 and other overhyped BS.

Oh, but this doesn't matter since you're clearly superior to the lowly grubs on this board.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 1, 2007 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
football is a fall sport, here in the central valley, fall doesn't show up until november!

and that's when i start watching football

by Merope on Jul 31, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
Ugh! you just gave me a flashback to high school two a days, in August in Tulare County, back in the days when coaches didn't believe in giving players water during practice. Just the memory of it has me about to pass out.

by Roger on Aug 1, 2007 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
Last time I checked this was a baseball blog. The one requirement to participate in conversations here, if there was one, is to be a baseball fan. Nowhere in the contract Grant made me sign at gunpoint does it say "undersigned must also get a boner for the NFL when it's 100 degrees and the undersigned still has a month before the fall semester starts."

Give me a break. I'll have my Frank Gore boner ready, if just a little late.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
If it takes you that long to get your frank gore boner than you should just keep in your pants for the entire season

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
New rule: everyone who does not root for their favorite teams the exact same way as SabeanSupporter don't get to root for them at all.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
I should just take my ball and go home then.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 1, 2007 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
You're right. I don't appreciate him like you do. I don't love him like you do. Nobody understands Frank Gore like you do! No wonder he left me and fled crying into your arms.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 1, 2007 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Irony alert!
"When you've lived and loved the way Frank has, you know what life's about."
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Aug 1, 2007 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Davis
Looks like a pretty good addition to me. At least he has shown a pretty consistent ability to get on base and minimize strikeouts. Combined with speed, that's not a bad guy to get in return for a salary dump.

by mxmob33 on Jul 31, 2007 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Davis
Hey, somebody gets it.  All Star 2 years, hit OK at MLB level (275 or thereabouts)

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Davis
You do realize that there are, like, two comments that aren't in favor of this trade, right?

by Grant Brisbee on Jul 31, 2007 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I agree. Forget about what you got for him in terms of talent. If, and this is a big if, the Pirates are taking on his salary for 2008, the Giants just cleared 10 million bucks they can use to improve the offense via free agency. Will Sabean waste that 10 million?? Of course. But on a hot July day you can always dream.
Randy Messenger: "Who's that fat ugly guy in the Marlin's bullpen that's sitting in my seat??"

by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2007 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Hot day in July?  What is it...65 in SF or something.  F'ing Sac-town heat can bite me!
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
That said, perhaps this situation will finally teach Brian Sabean the value of selling high.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/31/SPGHPRA8QT4.DTL

"According to a team source, the Giants are not sending any money to Pittsburgh in the deal. If so, general manager Brian Sabean knocked about $11 million off his payroll for this year and next while acquiring two players."

Awesome.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
Sweet. Good deal!
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by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
I'm amazed they still take Sabean's phone calls over there in Pittsburgh.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
We are talking about the same team that just traded for Cesar Izturis, remember.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 31, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
This makes our new Joey Gathright Sr. much more palatable.
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by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
Hopefully, his improved isolated power this year isn't just a fluke. That could make him a nice player on whom to take a flier.

by Grant Brisbee on Jul 31, 2007 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
Come on, Grant.  20 minutes ago posters were livid that Sabean couldn't even get scraps.
  Fuck me, we got rid of $11 mil, + the ability to plug somebody better into the rotation (Ortiz or Misch), +++ two people who breathe, who can shag batting practice flyballs, and help with the tarp.  That the guy is a RH compliment to Lewis + fucking gravy (don't let Thighler Walker hear that).

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, fuck!
i mean, shit!
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by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
You are absolutely right, but I'm pretty sure everyone is now on board with the trade.  Sabean should be proud of his day's work!

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
This is great! The start of the turnaround (maybe).
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by Karlifornia on Jul 31, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
So they're not sending any money to Pittsburgh. It didn't mention that they're sending money to the Pirates' off-shore bank account in the Cayman Islands.
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by Kitspool on Jul 31, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
There's a suckier sucker out there who sucks more than Brian Sabean?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey, give sabes a break
there are at least three.
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by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
HOLY CRAP!

Now, jjust tell me who the player to be named is I can officially lose my load all over this deal.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

*golf clap*
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by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NO MONEY TO BUCS!!!
Wow, if this is true (no money to the bucs) then this is an absolutely fantastic deal, and I take back some of the mean things I've said about Sabean recently.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know what's coming
Two shutouts against SF.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 31, 2007 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Like that's an accomplishment
Dave Dravecky can shut out this offense. With one arm tied behind his back.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 31, 2007 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Like that's an accomplishment
But, but, he only has o...

Oh, I see what you're doing.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
That's downright unbelievable.

by bisquik on Jul 31, 2007 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
This deal seems to make a lot of sense!  Saving 11 mil is cool with me.

by out machine on Jul 31, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Who knows, maybe Davis will become the next Dave Roberts.  He's certainly much younger than Roberts was when he put it all together.
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by rotorueter on Jul 31, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Hey, did anyone notice that Rajai Davis was born in Norwich, CT?  LOL!  Of all places!

Hope the PTBNL is an 18 yo pitcher in the DSL who throws 99 MPH and we've never heard of before.

Agree with those not sure whathehell we're going to do with Davis.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jul 31, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
He can be the new Mayor of Norwich.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
he's a righty hitting outfielder on a team full of lefty hitting outfielders, so I think he's a good fit. Even the top guys in the minors, like Nate and Bowker are lefties. I would think he will start against lefthanded pitching instead of Roberts, and he is a definite upgrade in the outfield over The Scrapinator, Kevin Frandsen, who has been starting out there lately against lefties.
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by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
You think he's going on the 25-man? I assumed he was Fresno bound. They'd need to make another move to make space for him...I guess they could send Lewis back down, which would be a little disappointing.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 31, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

PTBNL=Zach Duke
if my nonexistent source is correct
WE FIGHT WARS! WE CHEAT ON SPOUSES! WE LISTEN TO THE STEVE MILLER BAND! BUT IF WE THROW OURSELVES INTO SOMETHING GLORIOUS AS BASEBALL ALL IS FORGIVEN!" -PECOTA

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woo $10 million free next year!
Now Sabean is free to offer a new 3 year $30 mil deal to Bartolo Colon in the offseason.

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

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Grant, does he work for you now?
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 31, 2007 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
I don't know how Sabes convinced the Pirates they needed Morris at that price!  

by out machine on Jul 31, 2007 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
So who is this mysterious PTBNL?

by mxmob33 on Jul 31, 2007 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
They probably don't know yet.  We may not hear for a few days.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Otherwise, he'd be a PTBNRN.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
That would be where the "L" comes in to it.

by Roger on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
No money in the deal and a player to be named later?!  Is there a catch?  Yes: The player to be named later is Matt morris.
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by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Do not want?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I know that has happened before.  I'm not Jayson Stark, so I haven't memorized the deal, but I do recall someone being traded for himself that way.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Harry Chiti...better known as, Harry Shitti.

He was the PTBNL who ended up being traded for himself.  

by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

New Trade Terminology
PTBBBL: Player To Be Barfed Back Later

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
and now we are caught in a moebius strip of a trade that even MC Escher couldn't have conceived.
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by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Come on, folks, maybe the PTBNL is Jason Bay! <ducks>
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by leftymalo on Jul 31, 2007 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Dude, how long will it take you to delete "Morris (9.5M)" from your sidebar?  Can't wait to see that gone.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Hate to say it, but Rainman's A-Rod scenario now looks a little more feasible.
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by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
It's too bad the Morris/Bonds for Jones/Balentien one didn't work out though.
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by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'd love to say that, but it's never going to happen.

ARod's like anybody else. He'd like to hit where balls can actually get over the fence from time to time.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

They'd have to outbid the Yanks
and significantly I think to get him, I just don't see the Giants offering something like 8/240 to get him.

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
If Sabean can rid the Giants of their commitments to Winn and Roberts, too....

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Even if it is feasible, the A-Rod + A. Jones thing is just bad business.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Due to the extreme suckage of Matt Morris the past month or so, this was probably the best the Giants could do - Matt's attitude probably had something to do with the desire to depart with him, along with the salary dump.  Now, what Sabean does with the salary is another question.  All in all - okay by me.

by APGiantsFan on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Did that Jack Wilson to the Tigers deal get done?  Is it possible that he's the PTBNL?

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Nothing's impossible. The Pirates must be looking to dump salary.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I don't want Wilson either.  I'm just trying to comprehend what would make the Pirates agree to take Morris' salary.

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
No thank you.
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by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
So far, Sabean's had two trades this season:

Mando for Messenger:  win.

Morris for not having to pay Morris:  win.

Little steps, but encouraging.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
The next step is to not sign people like that in the first place!

by Sandor Clegane on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Talk about damning with faint praise.  I agree both of these trades were good - but he did sign those losers to bad contracts in the first place.

So, good job Brian!  Like you might say to a toddler after he picks up his toys he left out all night and you stepped on a lego getting up to get the brat a drink of water in the middle of the night.

by zenbitz on Jul 31, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take it easy now, Brian
My immediate feeling is that by jettisoning the MattMo garbage, Sabean has justified his two year GM extension.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
I'm inclined to agree, but he has to keep going in this direction.  August will be very interesting.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
Hey, now, let's not go nuts.  He did also SIGN the MattMo deal, not to mention the Zito deal, not to mention the Roberts, Aurilia, Durham, Molina and Klesko deals.

One right does not erase 7 wrongs.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
After reading that list, I prefer to go nuts.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
Not 7 bad deals.  Klesko (almost for nothing), Molina (one of our few bats), and Roberts were all good deals.  Aurilia has been hurt and is not paralyzingly expensive.  Zito, tho, Jesus, I hope it's just a bad year.  

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
The Molina deal was good for about a month... but right now, he's got an 83 OPS+, he's horrible defensively (I've never seen a catcher give up so many passed balls/wild pitches) and he seems to be incapable of starting more than ~100 games in a season without wearing down horribly.
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by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
denial is going to kill you my son ...
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by jfucsd10 @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
I definitely don't think the Roberts deal was very good.  Thus far, he's been a reincarnation of Steve Finley in a Giants Uniform.  Klesko was cheap, so I guess not paying anything makes getting nothing in return more worthwhile.  Molina is debatable, but as mentioned, there's also the Feliz deal and the Randy Winn deal.  Not to mention the slew of other deals just like these (washed up players for too much money) that the Giants have been signing in recent years.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
Don't forget the Feliz one year deal...with another year (or more) shudder this coming offseason.
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by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
One year five million dollars for Pedro Feliz was not a bad deal. He has had a decent year offensively, and his defense has been superb. A staff full of young arms needs a good defensive infield, and I think defense is something you only pay attention to if you don't have it.
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by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2007 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
Feliz's contract didn't prevent the Giants from doing anything more useful, either.  That being said, they should look long and hard before bringing him back in 2008.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
The Zito deal was obviously magowan's fault.  He panicked and thats that. Now he knows not to get involved with managment.

by SabeanSupporter on Jul 31, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
Who signed Morris in the first place?
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by ToddLindenHasAPosse on Jul 31, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Take it easy now, Brian
That was before the rebuild, though. I'm actually not even being facetious.

There is at least a sliver of perspective to be had here.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I guess this will set up an interesting storyline for the Giants trip into Pittsburgh later this year. Next up: Summerslam!
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by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'm thinking front page of ESPN.com, and lead story on SportsCenter:

"Next on Sportscenter, emotions run high as the Giants face Matt Morris for the first time since THE BIG TRADE"

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by Karlifornia on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Matt Morris turns heel?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
He will form a stable with Matt Capps and Matt Kata to create Mattastrophe and battle Degeneration X and Ric Flair.
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by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Best pay-per-view ever.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Hahahaha...you know what a heel is!  Classic.
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

And
I always liked Mick Foley because outside of his crazy wrestling crap he's a really smart dude and a good writer.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: And
wife and i met him @ a Giants game last year. a really smart, cool, down to earth dude. if you (or anyone) hasn't seen Beyond the Mat, see it now!

oooooooooh!

Beyond the MATT!!!!

lol @ myself

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by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beyond the Matt
lol

And it's going on my Netflix queue today!

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: And
Baron...you're just awesome!  If your a fan of his writing, I'm assuming you've read Scooter?  It's got a huge baseball theme to it.  Sadly, it's on my to do list...but I've heard him give interviews about it and it sounded really interesting...

Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flattery will get you everywhere
Both that and Tietam Brown are on my to-read list. I also fail because I have like a hundred books waiting to be read.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: And
Foley is good!
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by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yeah let the fucker sparin his neck watching one of Barry's fly out of the yard and see the FUCKING HOMERUN DISTRACTION from the other side of the field

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
New starter?

My vote goes to JSnatch, although I'm sure Misch will get some backers as well.  No Ortiz please...

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by shikantaza on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
KNBR just played a clip from Sabean:  Ortiz needs another rehab start, so it won't be him right away.  Who, then?  Dunno.  Maybe Misch.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
It'll probably be Ortiz at first.

I expect them to move Sanchez back to the rotation this offseason.

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by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'd really rather Sanchez sticks the year out in the bullpen and stretches out in the offseason to start next year.

His history of arm injuries just scares me too much to throw him straight into the fire out of the frying pan of relief innings.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I think what is scary is J Sanch's lack of a breaking ball and his splits vs RH hitters.  Ya gotta have either 2 +++ pitches or 3 + pitches (see Lincecum, T.).  As a RP, JSanch can be brought in the face 2 LHs.  As a starter, MLB managers will load their line up w/ RH hitter - and he'll remind us of the dearly departed M Morris.

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I think you're placing a little too muchg weight on this year's splits (in just 30 IP). last year, in 40 IP, they were much closer together (RHH OPS: .740, LHH OPS: .667). Also, early in the year, he had no secondary pitches he could over at all, but since he came back up from the minors, he's been spotting that change much better. that should help him vs. RHH in the long run.

by English Professor on Jul 31, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I hope that's true (that the change will get him over the hump;) but sooner rather than later he's going to need a useful 3d pitch, don't you think?

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yes, absolutely. You just don't see too many quality starters with only 2 dependable pitches. Jason Schmidt down the stretch in '03 when he couldn't throw anything but fastballs and changes, is one of the rare exceptions.

Sanchez's slider is far and away his weakest pitch, and the one he needs to improve to become an elite starter. He hangs it far too much right now. It was better last year, but he hung it too much then as well. The problem is, as a reliever, he's never forced to throw it. He has the best K/9 on the team, and among the best in baseball throwing just fastballs and changes, so why should he resort to his 3rd best pitch? As a starter, he'd have to go it more often (and might even struggle initially because of it), and I think it would improve with usage/time.

by English Professor on Jul 31, 2007 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Isn't it like $50+ mil off the books for next year?
  • Matheny
  • Vizquel
  • Bonds
  • Mando
  • Morris
  • Klesko
  • Feliz
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Not too long ago, Lefty calculated the Giants 2008 payroll commitments:

http://www.leftymalo.com/2007/07/2008_payroll.php

Removing Morris means the 2008 payroll is currently about $70 million.  Winn, Roberts and Durham make up about a third of that.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
But, I think Lefty included deferred payments, and the Giants have said deferred payments are NOT part of the yearly payroll budgets.  (Don't ask me, my wife balances my check book).  Something about a different accoutn.  I guess that's like having a different checkbook.

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I think it has something to do with the CBA and that deferred payments have to already be accounted for in advance.  Something along those lines.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Interesting.  That's another $10 million, but it is of course money that the Giants are spending in general.  I'll never understand the mystical fashions in which accounting works sometimes, but if by normal standards they're that much more to the good, then yay!

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Morris's spot in the rotation could become a pretty interesting carousel ride for the rest of the year.

Let everybody in Fresno take a shot! 3 shots for a dollar! Trade in prizes with a win to get a BIGGER prize!

Or, more likely, Russ Ortiz is back in the rotation. Which is also kind of cool with me. I'd rather not see Sanchez lose his arm from explosionitis by getting thrown into the rotation with no stretching time beforehand.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

It didn't take much prompting
Every pitcher in Fresno has just dutifully bolted down a shot a tequila.

They are awaiting further orders.

(if not callups....)

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'm actually shocked that a team that spends as little money as the Pirates are going to pay 9.5 million dollars next year to someone like Matt Morris. Sabean must be good in the sack, because Dan Littlefield has once again allowed himself to be raped by him.
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by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2007 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
My only guess is that the Pirtates see all the escalating salaries and think that Morris in 2008 is a reasonable alternative.  After all, there are worse pitchers making more out there.
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Morris' sudden collapse also raises the possibility that he is again injured.  Remember last year and the broken rib?  The idiot wouldn't tell anyone, wouldn't go on the DL.  I wouldn't be surprised if something like that is the case now.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Morris has been an unmitigated disaster for six weeks.

I will not be satisfied unless its six to eight broken ribs this time, and if they're not broken, I might do it for him.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Are there, though? The only one who springs to mind is Zito, and I think he's better than Morris.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Better at picking agents, maybe.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
That and Morris' 4.35 has him the 149th pitcher in the NL, out of a total 313.  This includes all pitchers who've recorded stats for the year, but I would expect, it would be similar if you could find a list of just starters.  So, he is about average, a little above - a decent #3, a good #4 SP.  (But we know better).

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
If it's consensual it's not rape. It's a ravaging. There is an important difference, particularly with regard to the law.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
The Pirates may also think that with Morris, they're buying low and will try and flip him in the offseason.

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 31, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I dunno... with his peripherals, I don't really see him being worth much more in the offseason than he is now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I was even thinking that the Buccos think that they might get more for Morris sometime in August, since he would probably clear waivers. Say, if one of the contenders' starters goes down to injury. Otherwise, I don't see why they want him right now.

by BigO on Jul 31, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Does that mean the term "rape fantasy" is a misnomer and it should really be called a "ravaging fantasy"?  Since, I presume, the fact you are fantasizing about it means it is effectively consensual.

by War on Jul 31, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
very sound reasoning.
"Bri-an Sab-e-an, I hope you're satisfied with what you've done..."

by The Gene Hackman on Jul 31, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'm not a lawyer, but I am reasonably certain that "ravaging" does not have a legal definition.

by zenbitz on Jul 31, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I just needed a word for something more savage than two consenting adults simply having sex.

But you're right, I think with the law if it's consenting they just call it sex.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
He's going to be a great influence on their young pitchers! Remember?!?

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I just love that Morris's reward for his collapse this month is that instead of going to Atlanta or Seattle to compete for the playoffs this year and probably next, he'll be spending the next 1+ seasons in downtown Shittsburgh.

by English Professor on Jul 31, 2007 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
that really is the best part of this.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Thank you, that just brought a smile to my face.

by ololo3 on Jul 31, 2007 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adoption!
Where do I go to officially "adopt" the PTBNL?
Tony Perezchica: Just like Tony Perez, only a girl!

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Adoption!
The McWiki is the place to be, but I'm pretty sure you need a name before you can enter your information.

If you want to enter something like "PTBNL from Pittsburgh" and then update it with the real player's name when we find out, I don't have a problem with you calling dibs.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Adoption!
jponry just reminded me, E has first dibs since Morris was his adopted son and he no longer has custody rights.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Adoption!
Oh, I thought he would get Rajai Davis.  I just want the PTBNL.

Which does he get?

Adopted PTBNL from Pittsburgh: I hope it's Doug Frobel!

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Adoption!
I think he gets to choose between the two if he wants either one at all.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Adoption!
Thank you very much... I went in there and added it.

Anyone let me know if that's not how it works!

Tony Perezchica: Just like Tony Perez, only a girl!

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Adoption!
If it helps, I'm feeling ashamed of my baby fever and willing to release the Mad Bum to someone...
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Jul 31, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Glad to see my source was right...now I won't have to smite him with the Wrath of Vegas...
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on Jul 31, 2007 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Am I right? The Wrath of Vegas is a smokey room, a watered down drink and dice that keep rolling snake eyes.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
And playing in the Dante Room, we have....Tiffany!
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on Jul 31, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yes, great call - and thanks for sharing with us.  Boy, were we hoping.

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
The Pirates really are the worst run franchise in all of baseball. They are constantly complaining about the payroll, and while they win this trade in terms of actual talent (i.e. Morris has very little, Davis has none) they make their highest paid players MATT MORRIS AND JACK WILSON. Hah.

Not that Sabean comes out looking much better as he could probably have traded Morris three weeks ago for somebody with a big league future. He does shave off the payroll though, so it's something.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
SELL LOW!
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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Actually, that may be slightly harsh on my part WRT Rajai Davis. I think that Morris is the more valuable player, but Davis's smattering of on-base skills and ability to play center probably give him a big league future as a fourth outfielder. As long as he isn't taking playing time from Lewis or Schierholtz I don't mind him.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Many make it sound so easy to "sell high" on Matt Morris.  Considering his recent "history", I would have waited until the deadline to acquire him, just to see if he'd come back to Earth.  Don't most GMs think twice before dealing their young stars, or at least wait it out to see if what they're getting back is legit?

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Oh, I didn't think we could get a star, just a B- level prospect or something.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
That was bad phrasing on my part.  I'm just saying, if you were an opposing GM, wouldn't you have waited it out to see if Morris came back down to earth before the trade deadline before giving up any prospects of note?  Contending or not, it makes little sense to rush into a trade for a veteran who's recent track record isn't as shiny as his first few months of this season.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I am trying to remember any major seller trades in May or June and all I can come up with is the Latroy Hawkins trade, which wasn't all that major. You're right, it wouldn't have been that easy to sell high on Morris.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Where is there the slightest proof that there was a significant trade being discussed and Sabean decided to wait?
  At the time of his resigning it was clear we were sellers - even if we weren't trading Morris for a piece and replacing him with Ortiz/Misch was virtually no risk.  
  This was a slow market, with few big trades.  And, who, really, needed Morris?

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your 2008 SF Giants?
C: Bengie Molina
1B: Nate Schierholtz
2B: Ray Durham
SS: Rich Aurilia
3B: Kevin Frandsen
LF: Randy Winn
CF: Dave Roberts
RF: Rajai Davis

..

...

.....

That team may not hit 50 hr.
Arod may outhomer that team.

..
...
.....

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

If Aurilia is our starting SS
I'm rooting for the Dodgers.
Bruce Bochy gets his big head from me.

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I think we've overlooked the most important part of this trade, the part that affects more fans than Sabean could have ever known.

E just lost his adopted son. What is he to do?

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Doesn't he get automatic dibs on Rajai Davis and/or the PTBNL?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Oh yeah, that sounds right.

Sorry to whoever was asking about the PTBNL above. You have to wait for him to pass through the adoption equivalent of waivers,

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I will wait for adoption waivers!
Anxiously waiting out the adoption waiver period for Pittsburgh PTBNL.

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
By the looks of it, though, stopbeingsokate still has Ellison and antinuous still has Linden.

Some maintenance is required in the near future.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'm never letting go!
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Marlin program (Todd Linden)

by antinous on Jul 31, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
But you have no custody and certinly have lost your visiting rights!

For God's sake, man, you have to move on!

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cleaning up his own mess..
...seems to be something Brian has had to do a lot of in recent years.  It's unfortunate that some of his most cheered trades of late have been nothing more than getting rid of the garbage.
Morris
Mando
Edgardo
-- Born Yesterday

by thatdog on Jul 31, 2007 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
I've always thought that Sabean was more skilled at making trades than at signing free agents.  

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
Mando is the only one of the bunch I would say it's fair to call Sabean out on signing in the first place, though.

We're all well versed in Edgardo lore, but Morris being signed before the 2006 season with the return of Bonds was, at least on paper, a pretty sensible (or at least sensical) move.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
You can't even fault him for the Mando trade.

He was the best free agent in the team's biggest area of need, and he was coming off one of the best relief seasons ever.  (0.818 WHIP!)

I, like most of us, was excited when we signed him.  I thought the Giants finally had a real closer; no one predicted he would flame out as spectacularly as he did.

by sfmaynard on Jul 31, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
I disagree that "no one predicted he would flame out as spectacularly as he did." Anyone who watched him pitch for the Mets was aware of his fragile psyche. Mando had a great relief season in the anti-pressure cooker of South Florida. Anytime he tried to save a game in front of more than 500 people, he tended to choke.
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by Kitspool on Jul 31, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
It wasn't the size of the crowd with Armando, it was the importance of the game. If he blew five saves all year with the Mets, it would be the five most important games of the year. His playoff record was abysmal even at the height of his success. Fan and media reaction got to Armando as well. You can't really cheer for him as badly as he pitched with the Giants, but all that booing at home certainly didn't help him.
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by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
+1 and note that his .818 WHIP season TOTALLY OUT OF LINE WITH HIS CAREER.  Definition of buy high, sell low.

Terrible move, and only blinded by hope could anyone  have thought anything different.

The only point in his defense is that he's not the only GM in baseball to subscribe to the myth of the closer.

by zenbitz on Jul 31, 2007 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
Hindsight is 20/20.

It's easy to say now that you saw it coming all along, but I don't believe it.

by sfmaynard on Jul 31, 2007 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
Yeah, that was the knock on Benitez... he couldn't pitch the Big Game. But when did he appear in a Big Game as a Giant? Forget Florida... he spent 4 1/2 seasons pitching the ninth inning as a Met, where pennant races and the New York media made every game a big one, and he compiled a 2.70 ERA. If only he had choked that well for us. We were supposedly getting a dominating pitcher who couldn't handle pressure. Instead, we just got a bad and injured pitcher.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Cleaning up his own mess..
Didn't Grant predict a massive flameout on his old Boof site?

by War on Jul 31, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I will be slightly on edge until Sabean announces that he is aware that Davis is not a better starting candidate than Fred Lewis.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Better starting candidate than Roberts, though?

Or, to put it another way, better starting leadoff candidate than Roberts?

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
at the very least, he's a better starting leadoff candidate against lefties than Roberts
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
But he wasn't even starting in Pittsburgh, was he?
Anxiously waiting out the adoption waiver period for Pittsburgh PTBNL.

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Man, you loves you some Fred Lewis, don't you? I think Davis probably is a better starting candidate, since I assume he can catch the ball once in while. More to the point, Lewis can't hit lefties, so they can both play.

Even more to the point, Sabean is doing exactly what someone running a rebuilding team should do: collect as much low-cost talent as you possibly can, and let the players sort things out with their performance.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Freddie has really great UZR numbers in RF this year.

I do agree that a Freddie/David platoon is a pretty good idea.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Lewis gets on base more and has more power than Davis, Davis hits for more average and OMG steals bases. Defensively, opinions are mixed on both.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
That said, I'm not opposed to Davis against lefties. Of course, with Winn and Roberts still around, I doubt we'll see either getting a fair chance.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
My guess is that Roberts never sees another lefty. Winn, on the other hand, is a switch hitter, and therefore is completely invulnerable to platoon splits! (okay, not really.)

Davis has out-OBP'd Lewis in both AAA and the majors this year, even though Lewis has been lucky with his BABIP and sheltered from seeing many lefties. Lewis was generally better before this year, though.

I'd say Lewis has a better (though still slim) chance of becoming an actual above-average starter, while Davis has a better chance of being a decent contributor. I just think Lewis is a brutal outfielder, and at his age he's not likely to outgrow it.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
They're probably platoon partners

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yeah, either way I just pray that we're getting to the point where we'll no longer see Dave Roberts and his .217 slugging percentage starting against lefties.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
the davis guy has got some pretty good wheels in the minors, and it seems like pecota likes him, ranks his speed tops and his strikeout rating thing is pretty high too, no power, good avg. is he like a willie tavaras?  

by joeytothelimit on Jul 31, 2007 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Er, PECOTA doesn't particularly like him, projects him to hit .283/.336/.386 - barely passable for a fourth outfielder - and to steal some bases at a good rate. In contrast, it thinks Fred Lewis can hit  .271/.350/.421 with more upside.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Its a $12.5 million dump - I wish Sabean had dumped him a month and a half ago, but that's foresight we've learned not to expect from Sabes. The next step is to clean the Aegean stables-  Feliz for anyone who wants him (Justin Leone can probably match his production right now - and Russel Branyan can certainly out-hit Feliz right now) and the salary savings, not expecting a prospect. Winn and Roberts on waivers - Roberts is a solid player who might a mediocre prospect, but I'd be surprised if Winn did. I think Steve Kline is the only Giants vet with value now, since there's no way Klesko would get through waivers IMO - the latter might be worth sitting on for the draft picks at seasons end.

by Aadik on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
I wish Sabean had dumped him a month and a half ago, but that's foresight we've learned not to expect from Sabes.

Who's to say there was anyone willing to buy "high"?  Given Morris' track record, wouldn't you have waited to see if he'd collapse back to Earth a bit before you traded for him?

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Hm, IMO, Winn is a much better player than Roberts. Younger, not as injury prone, has performed better this season and (to my eyes) better defensively. He isn't as good a baserunner, but he is a better overall player.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rajai Davis
Good contact/speed guy.  Salary: negative nine million dollars.

I'm on board.

by sfmaynard on Jul 31, 2007 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Just talked to a coworker...
I just spoke with a coworker who's a serious Pirates fan. It's his belief that this trade was about meeting each other's needs: the Pirates' need to spend money, and the Giants' need for an outfielder who never, ever, ever hits the cutoff man.

He's of the opinion that Davis is a brutal defensive outfielder, but I don't know how accurate that is.

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by antinous on Jul 31, 2007 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Just talked to a coworker...
So he's like Alex Sanchez....great!
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Just talked to a coworker...
I forgot that guy was ever a Giant.
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by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Just talked to a coworker...
Not only was he a Giant, but he was also pulled off the waiver wire scrap heap and promptly inserted into our starting RF spot his first day in town.

Only took Flipper 2 games or so to realize why everyone else thought he was pure shite.

Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 31, 2007 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Just talked to a coworker...
Can you teach the rest of us how to do that?

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Just talked to a coworker...
OK, but it's going to involve an oddly shaped carrot and strange-smelling fuschia liquids.
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by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's something familiar about this guy...
Rajai Davis's PECOTA comps:

#16 - Dave Roberts
#15 - Alex Sanchez
#14 - Jason Ellison
#3 - Darren Lewis
#1 - Carlos Valderrama

In his defense, his 2007 season has been much better than his 2006 season, particularly in terms of strikeout rate. His PECOTA comps should be a little less scary next year.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: There's something familiar about this guy...
Yeah he struggled with fewer than 50 ABs last year with the big club.  This year, since he was called up he's hitting just over 270 - I would say that is pretty encouraging for a guy with (I think) fewer than 100 MLB ABs.

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: There's something familiar about this guy...
PECOTA takes into account all minor league stats as well, so his current ratings are based largely on his mediocre 2005 and 2006 seasons in the minors. He had a .683 OPS in AAA in 2006 compared to .853 this year.

Hitting .270 in 48 scattered big league at-bats this year doesn't mean anything, although it's encouraging to see that he isn't striking out much, since that used to be a problem for him in the minors.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: There's something familiar about this guy...
You know what they say: Those who forget Jason Ellison are doomed to repeat him.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: There's something familiar about this guy...
Are the PECOTA comps biased for team?  What are the odds of there being 6 giants/ex-giants in the top 20?

I mean, I guess it's (1/32)^6 * 20!/(6!*14!)... but it seems unlikly.

by zenbitz on Jul 31, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: There's something familiar about this guy...
Well, if a particular team has a weakness for late-blooming (or non-blooming) slap-hitting outfielders...
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
ESPN's headline on its site just sounds depressing:
"Giants deal aging pitcher Morris to slumping Bucs"

It's like he's slowly decomposing before our very eyes.

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by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Matt Morris; oldest 32-year-old ever (non-Edgardo Alfonzo division).
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
He was beyond decomposing.

He was composting, man.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Does this mean we're out of the playoff race?
"Obviously, he hasn't watched Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills". It's endorsed by Fred McGriff, you know."

by Glenallen Hill's Helmet on Jul 31, 2007 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Not if we reacquire Matt Herges
What will it take?!?!?

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Not if we reacquire Matt Herges
The thin air of Colorado that allows his fastball to clock over 84.
"Obviously, he hasn't watched Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills". It's endorsed by Fred McGriff, you know."

by Glenallen Hill's Helmet on Jul 31, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
no wait ... davis isnt the piece thats going to put us over the top???
"I've got a few ideas I'd like to bounce off Sabean." "Odd, because I have a few objects I'd like to bounce off Sabean."

by jfucsd10 @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
So, since Morris is gone, we have money to spend, right?

Anyone with me?

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 31, 2007 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
if by with you, you mean tryin to find and kill you ... then yea, Im with you
"I've got a few ideas I'd like to bounce off Sabean." "Odd, because I have a few objects I'd like to bounce off Sabean."

by jfucsd10 @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 31, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
LOL! I love the "I Got It" slogan. Nicely done.

by English Professor on Jul 31, 2007 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
There's a vindictive, ass-hole part of me that is happy to see Morris shipped off to the Pirates.  Next time the Giants see him they can ask him what they're playing for in Pittsburgh.

Fred Lewis and 1/2 doesn't excite me, at all.  But the fact that we're not sending any cash back is the final nail in the "The Trade Was Worth It" coffin.

Matt Morris' coffin.

R.I.P. to the team's 2nd shittiest beard.

by mjrboredom on Jul 31, 2007 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
This could've been much worse.  Hopefully it will mean there's room for Sanchez in the rotation next year.  

Good luck to you Matt.  You may have sucked as a Giant but I still thought you were a stand up guy.  

Zealously advocating for Nate the Great since 2007.

by orangeandblackattack on Jul 31, 2007 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
See you in hell Matt- with a vengeance.

by Rain Dog on Jul 31, 2007 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
So is this all we're doing today?

I'm well aware nobody wants our crap, but I'd like to see more action.

Adopted Giant: Randy Winn. Can't wait for Zito to start Opening Day '08 so I can get a leg up on my drinking.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 31, 2007 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
well, it's too late to do anything else now.

Sabes seems to think we'll be doing some waiver deals though.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yeah, the trading deadline is passed now.  Next step:  put everyone on waivers, seven per day, and see what happens.  Things will be pretty quiet for about a week.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Perspective of a random Pirates fan on a message board:

But aside from believing this trade to be pointless, I think we gave up too much. If it's true that the Giants aren't picking up any of Morris's contract, there's no reason the Pirates should have traded anything more than some 24-year-old reliever in A-ball. The Giants just wanted to dump that contract. Rajai Davis isn't a great prospect, but players with speed and the ability to play center field have value.

by mxmob33 on Jul 31, 2007 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
The Pirates have a message board?
"Obviously, he hasn't watched Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills". It's endorsed by Fred McGriff, you know."

by Glenallen Hill's Helmet on Jul 31, 2007 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

(wait for it)
The Pirates have fans?
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: (wait for it)
There's a team called the Pirates? Who knew?
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: (wait for it)
It's a converted "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" message board, I think.
Anxiously waiting out the adoption waiver period for Pittsburgh PTBNL.

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: (wait for it)
best post all day!  LMAO!!
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
No, the Pirates have a message broad.

She's a battleaxe, and emerges between innings to holler out the score.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I was just looking at another site and they were ripping this as a horrible trade for both sides. Its still bothers me that people look at trades as straight player swaps like this is fantasy baseball instead of a business. This is a straight up attempt to free up cash for next year because they know they will have to make a splash. If deferred monies really do come from a separate fund and are not counted against the '08 payroll then the Giants will be contenders for ANY free agents(read: AROD and HUNTER and a closer).
"I'd take pleasure in gutting you boy" Oh and ignore the spelling. I do.....

by someguynamedg on Jul 31, 2007 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Good step in the right direction for Sabean. I'm glad he's finally getting to do things on his own. The youth movement should continue by playing Frandsen every day. He may not be able to play the same position every day, but at least put him in when someone else needs a day off. That way he will be seeing 4 or 5 ABs per game and get more experience for next year when he does have a starting position in the infield (most likely third, unless by some act of God we can dump Durham and get A-Rod). My chances of sleeping with Kiera Knightly are higher than this happening, but I can still dream. Also, come Sept. 1 and the rosters expand, bochy should make every game a futures game by playing Lewis, Ortmeier, and Schierholtz (and maybe this new guy) as much as possible
Kevin Frandsen's 2009 stats: .315 10HRs 90RBI

by BCsteve on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Totally agree.  The sooner we can evaluate the youngsters, the more information we'll have to make any necessary moves in the offseason.

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yeah but, if he wants to move Roberts, Winn or Durham, doesn't the team need to play those guys to showcase them?
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Not at all.  They're proven veterans!

by Skaldheim on Jul 31, 2007 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
And Grit! Don't forget the grit.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
we dumped salary and got nothing in return, it's a tie-tie situation.

Now who wants Zito?

The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

One taker, and it be us
There has never been a team, except the Giants, who would take Zito at these stratospheric prices.
Not at the signing, not in the early season, not now, not next year, and certainly not when Zito's pitching middle relief a few years from now at $20 million per year.

Sabean has to trade away 10 MattMo's to undo the damage of that idiot Zito contract.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
No, it's win-win  (well, we 'win')

by allfrank on Jul 31, 2007 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Look, we just rid ourselves of $23MM in contract money for a pitcher who has been well below the league average ERA for the last four years.  Why in the hell would anyone want to pay that kind of money for a below-average starter.  We can make Kevin Correia a below average starter for a lot less money.

I still think Sabean is an idiot, but he has demonstrated that he is capable of fleecing other teams from time to time.  This will probably be the deal that gets Pirates' GM Littlefield pushed out of baseball.

by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Jul 31, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
anyone who thinks Rajai Davis will sniff the OF at AT&T this year is on crack.
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
He might spend August in Fresno, but I would be extremely surprised if he isn't up when the rosters expand.

by Grant Brisbee on Jul 31, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Searching for a compromise
We can get Rajai closer to AT&T centerfield by sending him one of Dave Roberts' shoes. He can sniff that.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I think you mean, "anyone who thinks Rajai Davis will crack the OF at AT&T this year is on sniff."

by zenbitz on Jul 31, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

put me down as a crackhead
Any team using Kevin Frandsen as a platoon outfielder could use a speedy righty. If I had to guess, I'd expect him to join the team immediately and start vs. the lefty Hendrickson tomorrow.

By Saturday we'll have to send someone down when we call up a replacement for Morris, and that could very well be Davis, but Lewis and Frandsen are candidates as well. Or one of the old guys will go on the DL.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't send down Frandsen
That would mean 6 OF and only 5 IF on the roster. Unless you wanna try starting Klesko at short, which might be worth it just for laughs, I just don't see it happening.

Old guys to the DL, now, that is always a very real possibility...

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Jul 31, 2007 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Can't send down Frandsen
It does leave us a little short in the infield, but we're short in the outfield now, since I don't really consider Sweeney to be an outfielder. I'm a little reluctant to say something so controversial, but in my opinion the roster for the 2007 Giants is somewhat poorly constructed.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Can't send down Frandsen
I'm all for using Klesko as a Loggy, and move Kline over to 1b with Bengie in CF and Dave Roberts behind the dish, on "Let the fans make the lineup night", the only games worth watching after Barry busts 755.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Morris will suck it up like a blonde out there in PNC

by Xdrakemanx on Jul 31, 2007 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
haha, way to pitch yourself out of getting traded to a contender. at least he found a way to get one last dig in before taking off for shittsburgh. "I'm excited about getting back to the NL Central and getting some better defense and some young guys out there who are looking to play hard," Morris said.

by projectmayhem713 on Jul 31, 2007 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
that's a hilarious quote...."as opposed to the lazy old guys with no range on the Giants"
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 31, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Good riddance, Shat Whorris....yes..that's the best I could do...
How I got fired from Best Buy: "If they liked Entertainment Weekly, they would subscribe on their own.....I did my job"

by Karlifornia on Jul 31, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
lol did he say he'd be getting a better defense in Pittsburgh?

Baseball Prospectus's Defensive Efficiency Standings

  1. SFN
  2. PIT
Dumbass. If there's one thing the Giants actually do pretty well, it's play D.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yeah, I'm sure the defense helped (in a big way) make his first couple of months as shiny as they were.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I mean, not that Morris knows what defensive efficiency is, but I think most people can see that the Giants are a pretty good defensive team.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Well, if anyone can see how well his team is doing behind him, it should be the pitcher.  I'm guessing he's sour that he has to move, again.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Matty Mo can Matty Go!
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
All along since Spring training 06, I said he was a front-running, overbearing, girlie-throwing glory pig, who like Mando, blamed everybody and everything for all his issues.

Getting rid of two tumors in the last couple of months is a major turnaround.  

Now off with Aurelia, Winn, Roberts, and Feliz.

Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Waiver Wire
Ideas on who'll be gotten in the waiver market?  A first baseman?....

by Xdrakemanx on Jul 31, 2007 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
I don't care one bit who came in return for Morris.  The fact that he has just sucked is reason enough to dump him.  We sent no cash?  NO CASH?  Littlefield is the dumbest GM in the history of baseball.

That's $12.5m the team doesn't have to pay Morris, and almost anymore that cash goes is better than paying Captain Nibble.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 31, 2007 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
don't worry. we'll waste the windfall on some overpriced 40+ year old free agent next year.
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 31, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
BRIAN Hunter!
Anxiously waiting out the adoption waiver period for Pittsburgh PTBNL.

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Brian Jordan!
"Obviously, he hasn't watched Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills". It's endorsed by Fred McGriff, you know."

by Glenallen Hill's Helmet on Jul 31, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Michael Jordan!
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Brian Fellow?
Anxiously waiting out the adoption waiver period for Pittsburgh PTBNL.

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
LaToya Jackson
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 31, 2007 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Jackson Browne
Adopted Giant: Randy Winn. Can't wait for Zito to start Opening Day '08 so I can get a leg up on my drinking.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 31, 2007 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Mike Jackson - RP
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Jackson Pollack
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Jackson Williams.

Wait, we already did that.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Jul 31, 2007 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
David Pollack
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Pollack Pines
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Torre Pines
"Obviously, he hasn't watched Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills". It's endorsed by Fred McGriff, you know."

by Glenallen Hill's Helmet on Jul 31, 2007 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Joe Torre?
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 1, 2007 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Yeah, hopefully I'll be proven wrong, but getting a little more money to spend in 2008 probably means committing a lot of cash from new deals to the budgets of 2009, 2010 and beyond. Why do I think we just cleared out enough salary for the first year of David Eckstein's four-year, $45M deal?

Sabean hinted that he got offers from contenders who weren't willing to take on all of Morris's salary. If the prospects were better (like, I don't know, Morris and $5M for Balentin), I wish he would have gone for it.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
I read somewhere that KC took the Davies deal from ATL instead of Balentien from SEA.  That sounds nuts to me.
Anxiously waiting out the adoption waiver period for Pittsburgh PTBNL.

by dangjackson on Jul 31, 2007 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Am I the only one who was surprised that Sweeney, Morris, and/or Kline didn't go? I thought contenders could never have enough relief pitching, especially a lefty specialist with Kline's numbers over the past month. And isn't there always supposed to be some sort of demand for pinch hitters? I know we wouldn't have gotten much for them or dumped any salary, but we could have made room for some of the guys in AAA.
Kevin Frandsen's 2009 stats: .315 10HRs 90RBI

by BCsteve on Jul 31, 2007 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
I'm surprised Morris didn't go because he did go.
Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 31, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Rumor has it that he is refusing to leave the locker room.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Not surprised about Kline, but I am surprised about Sweeney. With him just moving into 2nd for all-time pinch hits, i thought someone would grab him. Roberts too, for that matter. he's got postseason "mojo."
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Can we all LOL at Dave Littlefield, please?

"We've talked about acquiring a veteran starter the past couple seasons and haven't been able to acquire the guy we were looking for," general manager Dave Littlefield said. "I think Matt Morris is the right player who kind of fits in with what we're trying to do. This is someone we think will be a good fit for us."

Also, Morris:

saying of the environment with last-place San Francisco, "It's been hard. You almost learn to accept losing. I hate to say that, but it's true." He also called it "laid back."

I'm sorry you don't realize that you were part of the problem, Matty. :(

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
Two things:
  1. Let this be a lesson to anyone who criticizes Sabean (myself included).  There are worse GMs out there and we should count ourselves lucky that they don't run the Giants.
  2. WTF makes Morris think that things will be any better in Pittsburgh?  If he thinks losing is accepted here, I hope he likes playing for a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in 15 years.

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 31, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Seriously, if there is a team out there that has accepted losing, it's the friggin' Pirates.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 31, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Maybe he really likes perogies?
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Oh God, they're so good!
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
1) Yes their are worse GM's out their , but thats like But thats like North Koreans saying, Well at least Fidel Castro isn't our president. Or vice versa
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Dude, in what world is Castro worse than Kim Jong-il?
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Laid back?

Well, if you though Felipe and Bochy were laid back...

Wait 'til you meet "Big Chief" Jim Tracy.

"Obviously, he hasn't watched Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills". It's endorsed by Fred McGriff, you know."

by Glenallen Hill's Helmet on Jul 31, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Mark Redman wasn't good enough for them??
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
The only way Littlefield's quote could have been more hilarious is if he had used the phrase "savvy veteran".

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 31, 2007 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very good start Brian Sabean
Addition thru subtraction is more than fine with me. You traded salary without taking on salary which will be great this winter. Hopefully you have laid the groundwork for other salary relief deals in August and this winter. This way when you make a trade you can take on some salary from a team looking to unload a talented player with a hefty salary rather than only looking into the FA market.

Please keep to your word and play the kids. They are exciting and fun to watch plus you then can determine if they can play or not. This way you will know your needs going into 2008. All I am looking for is some direction and hope. If I can sense either I will follow my beloved SF Giants like a lemming.

by wilriv21 on Jul 31, 2007 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Very good start Brian Sabean
I totally dig your take on the universe Dr.Hawkings.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Sorry, I meant Kline. My amazement at Littlefield's stupidity is making me brain fart.
Kevin Frandsen's 2009 stats: .315 10HRs 90RBI

by BCsteve on Jul 31, 2007 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Another Morris swipe
"I'm excited about getting back to the NL Central and getting some better defense and some young guys out there who are looking to play hard," Morris said.

by One Flap Down on Jul 31, 2007 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Another Morris swipe
No way he said that.

(looks)

Holy shit, he really did say that.  Well, fuck him in the neck ten more times, then.

Bruce Bochy gets his big head from me.

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 31, 2007 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
Good trade here. Davis is clearly nothing (i'm pissed someone beat me to the pecota comps, they are hilarious) but it is worth it just to dump all the salary. Plus, the PTBNL could end up being useful someday if we're lucky, whoever it may be.

Time to get Roberts, Winn, and Klesko through waivers.

Merkin Valdez career SO/9: 10.8

by Poe on Jul 31, 2007 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Glass if half full speaking...
Overall it seems like a pretty good deal as long as it's official that the Bucs are eating that entire contract. Our other previous dealings with the Pirates have worked out pretty well for us. We got Bonds when they couldn't afford to re-sign him and we robbed them of Jason Schmidt. Thanks Pirates! They took an albatross off our hands and are still one of the few teams below us in the standings.

by saveuszito on Jul 31, 2007 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Baseball America - Matt Eddy on trade
Morris to Pittsburg deal.. Sounds like defensive prowess of Davis is quite good.

by wilriv21 on Jul 31, 2007 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Immediate reaction:
 first off im not your chief
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz

by lyricalkiller on Jul 31, 2007 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
well, at least Matt Morris can no longer be the bad influence on Matt Cain that he's been this year.
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 31, 2007 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Something?
"Matt you stupid rotten little fuckup, HOW many times do I have to tell you to throw the curveball more! 1-1, 2-1, 0-2, 1-2, 2-2, 3-2, those are CURVEBALL counts! And take some speed off that fastball! They're expecting it to be fast!"
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Something?
You left out 3-0 and 4-0; Morris specialties.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

a different perspective
i wonder how Davis feels about the trade...
 he may not have been traded to a contender, but he did get traded into history - he'll get to say he played with Bonds this year.

will that be exciting, or intimidating for him?

by Merope on Jul 31, 2007 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: a different perspective
it will be like (gum snap) totally (nose pick) whatever (yawn) for him unless it is for an interview and than he just pulls out his brett butler golly-whiz cue cards to quote from
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

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