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An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti

Dear Jay,

I believe Barry Bonds gained an unfair advantage by using performance-enhancing drugs. That was an advantage not everyone was willing to take, and that makes Bonds's decision an ethically questionable one. On Saturday, I stood and applauded every time Bonds came up to bat. In my mind, there isn't a conflict between the two points. I must be one of those unconditionally glorifying sheep about whom you were writing. I am wearing wool socks, and I do enjoy a good salad. Guilty as charged.

Do you really think that this scenario would only play out in the San Francisco Bay Area? Is this specific region of the country the only place where Bonds's career would be glorified? If that's your position, don't worry about anything that follows this paragraph. We're done. If you truly believe that the affection the San Francisco fans have for Bonds after 15 seasons wouldn't be the same affection felt in Boston, Chicago, or Atlanta if that were where Bonds had spent the bulk of his career, you lack the critical thinking skills needed for honest debate.

If you concede the point that it isn't just a regional sickness that leads us to cheer for Bonds, then you can understand why it's silly to single out the fans in San Francisco as "unconditionally glorifying sheep." Have you ever pondered why a baseball fan would cheer for Barry Bonds? Here's a condensed answer: The Giants almost moved to Florida after 1992. Instead, they opened the following season in San Francisco after acquiring the best player in baseball. Since then, that player has done more positive things on the field for his team than any other player in baseball. Good things for the team lead to good feelings for the fan.

That's it. You can break it down psychologically or chemically if you want, but the end result is the same. Good things for the team lead to good feelings for the fan. After 15 years of watching Bonds do amazing things on the ballfield, we've grown attached to him. He's had us all hopped up on mood-enhancing chemicals (MECs) for years, and now he's the easiest target in the history of yellow baseball journalism. So we defend him and continue to cheer.

To the San Francisco fan, the performance-enhancing drug debate extends beyond Bonds. To the folks who want to sell newspapers and television advertising slots, the debate stops at Bonds. That's unfortunate. The list of players who have been caught is underwhelming. Manny Alexander? Mike Morse? Jamal Strong? More than half of the suspensions from Major League Baseball have been handed out to pitchers, three of whom (Ryan Franklin, Guillermo Mota, and Felix Heredia) have served up homers to Bonds. If performance-enhancing drugs helped, they certainly weren't magic.

Some have opined that the main benefit from the drugs comes from the improved stamina; as in, the drugs didn't create a super-Ryan Franklin, it just allowed Ryan Franklin to be Ryan Franklin at peak Ryan Franklin condition for a longer period of time. Maybe it did make a super-Ryan Franklin. I don't think any of us would be able to tell. If you want to do some hand-wringing in the name of moral superiority, think about the roster spot Franklin occupied over the years. He'll get a pension. He'll have a baseball card to show his kids. Did that come at the expense of someone who wasn't willing to take PEDs? That's a bigger question of morality than anything to do with some intangible number. And we don't really think about it much in San Francisco. It gets in the way of baseball. And grazing.  We can never forget the delicious, delicious grazing.

This is all a part of why we still root for Bonds. He made us cheer over and over and over again - both before and after he bulked up - and now he's being attacked as if he was the only one who took performance-enhancing drugs. He wasn't. He batted against other users, and he lost to teams built around other users. Every other fan base would wave the same collective middle finger back at the rest of the world. It isn't because we're mindless idiots.

Well, I know you are, but what am I?


Sincerely,

Grant from McCovey Chronicles

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Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Jay Mariotti is a big fraud who poops his pants.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 30, 2007 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Simpsons references ahoy
He's a stupid moron with an ugly face and his butt smells and he likes to kiss his own butt?
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 30, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Simpsons references ahoy
He's a Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad man!
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 30, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
nice. please tell me you e-mailed this to him?

by MikeyJ on Jul 30, 2007 11:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
I see an Around The Horn appearance coming soon...

;)

"Obviously, he hasn't watched Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills". It's endorsed by Fred McGriff, you know."

by Glenallen Hill's Helmet on Jul 30, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Bravo Grant.

Mariotti is just another one of those bandwagon journalists that gives the majority what they want, and the rest be damned.

The thing that really eats me is the way that journalists from outside SF view us.  They think that we are just this group of mindless idiots with no morals.  And the funny thing is, that San Francisco and the Bay Area is one of, if not THE, nicest places to live in the United States.  We have great diversity, and we have great character.  And as far as I'm concerned, everyone is just jealous.

I need old crusty vets like I need a nail driven into my brain.

by BawLa on Jul 30, 2007 11:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Another clear case of San Francisco values.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 30, 2007 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Honestly, if Jay Mariotti disapproves of San Francisco values, that just makes me want to follow them that much more.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 30, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Fuck Jay Marriotti, I can't stand that little bitch. I swear he is the only reporter that if I saw him in person I would probably kick his ass. I can't stand him and his stupid little smirk on around the horn. Fuck you Marriatti you two bit hack.

Sorry to everyone for the profanity , but Marrioti has always pissed me off.

Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 30, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Grant great Post by the way. I remember as a 13 year old kid in 92' watching the news seeing a story about new Gaints hats being made with a St. Pettersburg logo. I almost wanted to cry, then Magowan and Co. buy the team and sign Barry. Since then Barry has brought me(and All Ginats fans) so many thrills with his HR's, diving catches and robbing HR's and stealing bases. Since that time the Giants have been to the playoffs 4 times(97,00,02, o3) and  just missed two times(93'98') and have so riding the back of Barry Bonds. To have watched Barry all these years and no to see him on the verge of breaking the record gives me great joy. What pisses me off are idiots like Costas and Marriotti that are trying to ruin this for all of us Gaints and Bonds fans. Most of us can see through the bullshit, but i feel bad for the 12-13 year old kids now, that idiolize Barry, but are made feel by the media that worshiping Barry is the same as following Charles Manson.
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 30, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I've always HATED writers who put down fans like the "unconditionally glorifying sheep."

It's like sports players who think it's noble to say, "I don't play the game for the fans, I play it for me teammates."  Who the hell do they think is paying their salaries, because it ain't their teammates.  Would they be doing the same thing for $35,000 a year.

It's the same for sports writers who put down fans.  If it wasn't for the fans of the game they wouldn't have a job.  I'm not asking to be coddled, but to be insulted is something else.

by GiantQuacker on Jul 30, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To quote Ozzie Guillen
"What a piece of [expletive] he is, [expletive] fag."

by MikeyJ on Jul 30, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
The idiocy of Jay Mariotti defies description.
I adopted Barry Bonds

by BondsApologist on Jul 30, 2007 11:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I stopped paying attention to Chicago sportswriters after one of them tried to make the case for Sosa for MVP in '01.  Basically, Sosa should have won solely because of two totally team-dependent stats - RBI and runs scored.

It was absolute joke.  Of course, I don't suppose you can think too clearly with your lips hermetically sealed to someone's butt.

Bruce Bochy gets his big head from me.

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 30, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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San Diego, where the Giants play next weekend, is where a fan threw a large plastic syringe at Bonds, forcing him to pick it up and hand it to an attendant in one of the powerful images of this ongoing psychodrama.

Actually I didn't remember that incident until Mariotti mentioned it. Very "powerful" indeed.
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 30, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Gritty, dangerous Petco Park, where a fan once tossed a small plastic toy onto the grass. It's good to know that writers can make inane generalizations about Padre fans too.
San Diego, where the Giants play next weekend, is near San Ysidro, where a psychopath opened fire at a McDonalds 23 years ago...
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 30, 2007 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
well said, grant.
"...and I hope you're feliz now..."

by The Gene Hackman on Jul 30, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Great response Grant.  I am getting pretty fed up with all of ESPN. The lack of professionalism on that network is astonishing. I am going to stop watching it altogether. It certainly doesn't inform me in any way. The east coast bias makes me sick. Is anyone else unimpressed with them?

by ektrod on Jul 30, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Very unimpressed.  But as I said earlier, they are just jealous.
I need old crusty vets like I need a nail driven into my brain.

by BawLa on Jul 30, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I'd been getting tired of them for quite a while (I believe I can trace it back to their slamming that poor women's BB player for her small personal protest of the US invading Iraq).  But this Who's Now thing has reached Fox-like levels of TV degradation.  I've had to stop watching Sportscenter just because I get so tired of having to flip to another station every 10 minutes.

by Roger on Jul 30, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I totally agree.  I switched over to Sports Night, which despite being completely fictional and out of production for years, is STILL a better sports show.

by Skaldheim on Jul 30, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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One question...they've always been evil.  What took you so long to come around and see the error of your ways?
Omar Vizquel to Big Sam, "Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Geremi, Deco even?...way to go Gaffer, keep up the great work!"

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 30, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Mariotti is a dude who loves to take shots at baseball players, works for a major newspaper, and yet refuses to actually go the park and talk to anyone in baseball himself.

WTF.

by Skaldheim on Jul 30, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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In fact, he's been called the first sports blogger by some of his colleagues (as in...he was doing what we are now on the newspaper's payroll before we were doing what we are now for free).
For just pennies a day, you too can make a difference in the life of a Giants player...like Kevin Correia.

by VidaWantsYourCar on Jul 30, 2007 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What it boils down to 4 me
  1. Barry is accused of using HGH. HGH was not a banned nor tested substance at the time Barry was alleged to have taken it. WTF is the problem? If that's a crime, then taking protein powder should be- athletes will ALWAYS take what they can for a boost.
  2. So many athletes have obviously taken similar stuff.
  3. Professional athletes are no more obligated to act like saints than professional anything elses.
I am not a big Barry fan- I really, really await the day he is not on the Giants (alas, I see him being on the team in 2008). But I firmly believe that the scapegoating of Barry has been a desperate attempt by MLB to deflect criticism from themselves, and thanks to a willing media, they've been successful, for the most part.

p.s. - I looked up to Bob Costas, until he got all stupid.

***

Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jul 30, 2007 12:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Superb post, Grant. Especially your point about Ryan Franklin. It's the PED useage amongst the lesser MLB players that should really concern baseball. Who knows how many clean minor leaguers have been denied the chance to play in the majors, and draw a major league salary and pension, because the 25th guy on the roster took an unfair advantage?
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Jul 30, 2007 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nice letter
but don't forget the fact that it is Barry's breaking of all the home run records that focuesses all this spotlight on his PED abuse rather than a Ryan Franklin or Jamal Strong.  I have no problem with Giant fans cheering for Bonds, he's a player on YOUR team.  I am glad though, that he IS on YOUR team.  Best of luck in LA Barry.  I hope Vin gets to call #756.
vr, Xei
People often make fun of or bash the things in life they don't understand.

by Xeifrank on Jul 30, 2007 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nice letter
I agree that it would be awesome to have Vin Scully calling it.  We know that Kuiper/Miller/Flemming will do a great call, but having Scully's words as well would be terrific.

by Skaldheim on Jul 30, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shortened letter to Mariotti
Dear Jay,

Let me put this in terms a Chicagoan could understand:

Fuck you, you fucking douchebag.

Sincerely,

Giants Fans

"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 30, 2007 1:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Shortened letter to Mariotti
PS: Don't ever come to SF.
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 30, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shorter Mariotti:
It's morally wrong - nay, evil - to do anything that might hurt the Cubs' playoff chances.
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Jul 30, 2007 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Shorter Mariotti:
Wow, I didn't even read that far!  He really did get to the point where, after blasting Barry and Giants fans, he ACTUALLY talked about how Barry not playing hurts his Cubs.  What a total douche!
"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 30, 2007 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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What's really bad is that this dumbfuck can't even come up with an original storyline. He's a hack "journalist" who doesn't even bother to back up what he's saying with any "facts" and just parrots the same old anti-Bonds media template that's been written a million times.

I think that Grant really says it best as a general statement of the majority of Giants fans.

For me, Bonds may have used roids, but he wasn't the only one, and us fans are not blind to that, we just like what's Bonds has done to help our team win MORE. The actual evidence of any roid use was illegally/suspiciously obtained because it was Bonds, a guy the media hates. How many books have there been about Giambi, Sheffield, Sosa or McGwire alleged use of roids? If there were any, they didn't get nearly the pub that the several anti-Bonds screeds have had, which has more to do with hating Bonds than it has to do with any PED use.

I'm so sick of the anti-Bonds moralizing that goes on in the media and by other non-Giants fans. They get up on their high horses and pontificate on the pureness that was baseball before Barry Bonds allegedly started taking PEDs, in 1999. We hear over and over about how Bonds is the "poster boy for the steroids era" and that his fans are mind-numbed robots/sheep that can't think for ourselves and just blindly follow him and bury our heads in the sand (eh, more mixing of metaphors) and pretend that Bonds is still that skinny guy we signed in '93.

The facts are that baseball has always been full of cheaters, it's never been a pure game, it has been changed constantly, and it has, for a long time, rewarded players and teams that could get outside the rules into the gray area. The very idea that all of a sudden baseball has been corrupted because Barry Bonds took the cream and the clear is not only absurd, it's historically ignorant. What makes matters worse, is that the perpetrators of this revisionist history are the ones CLAIMING TO BE THE PURISTS AND THE GUARDIANS OF BASEBALL'S PURITY AND HISTORY AND ARE THE ONES THAT RESPECT THE GAME THE MOST!

Give me a fucking break!

The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 30, 2007 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Now that's a funny article.

Next Mariotti will be claiming that Bonds did his best to not hit home runs at the end of the home stand so he could hit one on the road and make it look like he is trying, and still break the record at home.  Ridiculous.

And that's classic, Bonds taking an extra day of rest may doom the Cubs season.

by paboperfecto on Jul 30, 2007 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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That's the great thing (from the columnist's viewpoint) about a column like this. If Bonds doesn't break the record on the road, then Mariotti was right all along. If he does, then it's because he was shamed by hard-hitting journalism into doing the right thing...
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Jul 30, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
My view:  Who gives a fuck.  If he broke a MLB rule, fine or sanction him.  If he broke a law, charge him.  If not, shut the fuck up, haters.

by zenbitz on Jul 30, 2007 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Wow. I've never seen my feelings stated so very, very succinctly.

But then, I have a tendency to overstate my points when I do make them.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 30, 2007 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Could you cc: this to the guys who write "The Dugout?"  I have a lot of respect for their sense of humor, but they sure can be self-righteous wankers on the steroids issue.  In fact, maybe you should just pre-emptively forward a copy of this letter to every sportswriter in America, because I have a feeling all Giants fans are going to be in for a long couple of weeks.

by rocketdog on Jul 30, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I agree with your sentiments about the Dugout. I love 'em, but they once portrayed the Giants fans as a donkey's ass, which I didn't particularly like.
Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 30, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
I admire the game and ALL those who play it but particularly those who have demonstrated excelleence in their pursuit of the game. Barry Bonds is one of those who have excelled and in his case has demonstrated what may be the most convincing case to date of excellence in the most difficult task of the game.
His record MAY be tainted, I don't know for fact if it is. neither does Jay Mariotti or anyone else. I don't know if I'll even care since the accomplishment itself is so huge it is irrelevant. This isn't a measure of what role model Barry is or isn't. It's a tribute to his unmatched athletic prowess.
Let's honor his truly magnificient accomplishment.
yankeefan "If I had played my career hitting singles like Pete (Rose), I'd wear a dress." Mickey Mantle

by yankeefan57 on Jul 30, 2007 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Great letter, Grant.

I must be reading too many of these hit pieces, because I don't think Mariotti's piece would even make my personal Top 50 list of stupidest Bonds columns. I mean, once you've read Pearlman's "Barry Bonds Hates Black People" opus, the bar is set pretty high.

Still, there is plenty of laziness and inconsistency here. I'm still trying to follow the logic behind, "Bonds doesn't want to hit any home runs on this road trip, so he is ducking the Dodgers best pitcher to hit against their two worst pitchers instead."

By the way, I was handed a pro-Bonds leaflet outside the park yesterday, and didn't realize until after the game that the leaflet was produced by the American Communist Party. I'm not sure they are helping our image any, but it's no worse than having Pearlman on your side.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 30, 2007 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Mariotti = The Steve Bartman of Sportswriters.
I did MY job.

by MeSoKrabby on Jul 30, 2007 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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AKA that guy who ruins it for everyone else, is widely reviled, and is that stupid jerk you want to punch in the head?

Sounds about right.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 30, 2007 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Great job, Grant.  But please people, no more responses to this.  Mariotti's just not worth your time or energy.  We can only hope that if we ignore him he'll go away.

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 30, 2007 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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This was a nifty piece of writing, Grant.  Well done.

Having been one of the fans who's struggled the whole issue, I appreciate the balanced viewpoint.  

I can't say I really "admire" Bonds, but certainly appreciate what he's accomplished in his career.  He's been fun to watch and I agree that crucifying him alone is hardly fair.

Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 30, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Way off topic....... but do any of you guys know if ESPN is picking up any more games this week.. I have been loving watching the team play(even though it has been pretty ugly) since I am from Arkansas.  

by giant in fayetteville on Jul 30, 2007 2:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
I love to hear people rationalize rooting for a fraud. Along the lines of "Support the Troops" or "Everyone was doing It". After Barry breaks the record I'm going to take a shower and hope that he goes away so that I can root for the Giants like I used to. Giant fans look like jackasses and you guys can't take it when someone speaks the truth.

by smedley on Jul 30, 2007 2:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
At least we don't attach Barry Bonds ribbons to the bumpers of our ugly oversized cars.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 30, 2007 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
actually, that's not a bad idea.
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 30, 2007 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
I don't want to start a political debate, but what's wrong with supporting the troops, whether you agree with the war or not?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 30, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
ugh, now I wish I hadn't said this. >_<
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 30, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Jack Nicholson, ladies and gentlemen! Let's hear it for him!
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Jul 30, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Jay?  Is that you?
"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 30, 2007 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
After Barry breaks the record I'm going to take a shower

Feel free to take one sooner, if you like.

by otis29 on Jul 30, 2007 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Yeah, I miss rooting for Gaylord Perry illegally grease up the ball while pitching for the Giants. You know, the good ol' days, when no one cheated.
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 30, 2007 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I also miss rooting for all of those Giants players who used amphetamines (leaded/unleaded!) throughout their careers.
The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 30, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I sometimes wonder how Mariotti hangs on to his job. NO ONE likes him (being a former Chicago resident I can say for certain that he is reviled in Chicago more than anywhere).  

What does the Sun Times gain from having a journalist that doesn't even cover games? No one is going out and buying the Sun Times (a rag) to see what trash he has written. Anyone?

by Rain Dog on Jul 30, 2007 3:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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The Sun-Times is probably afraid to for legal reasons. He's part of at least two protected groups under Federal Law. He's gay. He's over 40. In addition to the discrimination, he could claim, retaliation, and in his case, probably some sort of disability which would give him potentially 3-4 causes of action. It would cost the Sun-Times at thousands in legal fees just to go to trial, hundreds of thousands to settle, and if they lost, possible millions.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 30, 2007 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
While I applaud anyone who seriously is trying to investigate or eliminate the use of PED's in baseball, I feel that Bonds has become a proxy for such investigations and that motivations and intents of many parties are now fully muddled.  

So it is possible for someone to hate Barry for who he is, but swath him or herself in the cover of a higher purpose, whether that is about PED's, or all-time records, or investigative integrity, or whatnot.  I find it dishonest.  And I think that dishonesty will reveal itself when we see who's still interested in the topic after Barry's broken the record and retired.

by achiappanza on Jul 30, 2007 3:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Funniest part
He talks about how Bonds sitting out a few games will hurt the cuddly little Cubbies playoff chances.  But miraculously, I can't seem to find the article where he trashes Bonds for sitting out 3 out of 4 games in Wrigley.

Shocking, that.

Ha Ha! Armando's the new Meg!

by The Balls of Summer on Jul 30, 2007 4:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

heh
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 30, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Funniest part
Also conspicuously absent is any mention of Sammy Sosa.  I don't suppose he was equally critical of Sammy durring his HR shootout with McGwire, even though he is also suspected of having used PEDs.  How about the corked bat instance?  Do I smell a hypocrite?

Great Letter Grant!

by Jakespaar on Jul 30, 2007 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Funniest part
oh no, Mariotti definitely hated Sosa
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 30, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Funniest part
I particularly enjoyed how he talks one moment about how Bonds doesn't actually want to hit it on the road...  Then talks about how he'll be sitting out vs. Penny and taking on lesser Dodger pitchers.  Which increases his chance of hitting one out...  What the heck?

But really, the credibility of his article - if he made ANY sense earlier - was completely compromised when he talked about how it hurts the Cubs.  What a turd.

"The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny. 'I need to see this play like I need a hole in my head'."

by JRPhillips on Jul 30, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Mariotti doesn't like jocks. He has zero credibility. End of story.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 30, 2007 6:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Hey does anyone have an idea for an over under for number 755, I say 15 at bats where does everyone line up from there.
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by NYredsoxfanSF on Jul 30, 2007 7:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
First off, I love Barry Bonds. I have proudly worn his jersey to games in LA for years.  He saved my team, nothing can change that.

That being said, anybody heard if Barry is playing on Tuesday? I've got great tickets, but its the only game I can make it to.  Any e heard anything?

by 27freethrows on Jul 30, 2007 8:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Tuesday is the only day I've heard people say he might skip, but as far as I know there's been no decision made as of yet.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 30, 2007 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
But he has 3 career homers off Tuesdays pitcher! Barry, if you're reading this (and I'm sure you are), please play!!!

by 27freethrows on Jul 30, 2007 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

REALLY great piece, Grant. Thanks.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 30, 2007 8:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I finally figured it out.
Cole Hamels bears a strong resemblane to Orlando Bloom.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 30, 2007 8:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: I finally figured it out.
I don't see it.
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by Natto on Jul 30, 2007 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I finally figured it out.
Oh, my GIS isn't helping my case.

But I assure you, when I saw a highlight of Hamels in today's game on TV, it might as well have just been OB in a Phils jersey.

So there's at least one angle where this is true.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I finally figured it out.
I think you just can't decide which one you want to take to the big dance.
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by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I finally figured it out.
Well it's a very important decision! My entire reputation hinges on it.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Mariotti is just like Skip Bayless. He is around because he generates a response. My theory is that if you stop listening, he will go away. I'm trying that with Jenkins and Knapp.
But seriously, I'm in agreemant with him because this San Francisco lovefest with a steroid abuser is embarassing. When you guys look back at all this I guarantee you'll be saying "What were we thinking?" Steroids and HGH are just plain wrong. Look at all of the premature deaths that are asociated with the stuff with the pro wrestlers, the pro football players and the like. Look at Jackie Joyner Kersey. Remember when Jason Giambi had those wierd tumors? Yeah, that's normal. I remember when Bill Walsh was campaigning against steroids. He said that he tried to contact some of the East German athletes, only to find out that they were all dead. All dead!
When some of these baseball players aren't around in ten years, I hope you forget your blind cheering. I won't.

by smedley on Jul 30, 2007 9:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Get the fuck out troll. You don't know shit. You're a fucking mynah bird. You show up here a couple of weeks ago with a dozen shit for brain posts that could have been cut n pasted from any one of the million brain-dead thoughtless, repetitive, mind-numbing cliche ridden posts usually left hanging around like the shoe scrapings found on the welcome mats to the ESPN forums.  You're a waste of bandwidth along with the oxygen you suck through your ass.
Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 30, 2007 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
That was awesome, your the man E
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 31, 2007 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Did you even read Grant's letter? How could you classify that as "blind cheering"? None of us would have written the script to go exactly like this, and I don't believe that any of us are against rigorous testing to try and keep as many performance-enhancers as possible out of the game. We just object to the implication that we're rooting for the steroid user.

When is the last time an NFL or MLB team won a title without a PED-user on their team? Twenty years? Add greenies to the list and baseball's streak may go back fifty years. Giving up on sports altogether is a principled stand to take in this environment if you feel strongly about drug use (or dog fighting or match fixing or the 10,000 other things wrong with professional sports). But the focus on Bonds makes is just too easy for fans to believe that they aren't rooting for drug users.

Oakland was Ground Zero for steroids in baseball, but damned if most A's fans aren't rabid Bonds haters. This weekend in San Diego, there will be thousands of fans booing Barry Bonds who can't wait for Shawne Merriman and the Chargers to start their season. And after Bonds retires, there will still be Giants tinkering with HGH or the next generation of undetectable steroid. We won't know who they are since the Chronicle won't have two reporters living in their dumpsters, but they'll be there. We blindy cheered Benito Santiago, and we would have blindly cheered Marvin Benard or Armando Rios if they ever did anything worthy of blind cheering.

And, um, as many as 10,000 East German athletes, including many prepubescent girls, were given huge doses of steroids, often without their knowledge. Some female athletes have since had sex change operations to cope with their hormone levels, or have had miscarriages or children with birth defects. It's all a horrible tragedy. A 2004 New York Times article estimates that between 500 and 2,000 of these athletes are suffering from some serious health problems today, but, alas, they are not all dead. In fact, while statistically some of them must be dead by now, the article doesn't mention the death of a single steroid user. (The tag line "They killed Heidi" refers to Heidi Krieger, a shot-put champion who has had a sex change.) This "all dead!" sort of hyperbole makes it difficult to have a rational discussion of the matter.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 30, 2007 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a technicality
I think he meant they're all dead, or could well be dead at any time, just as soon as their lives are over.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Listen, it's either scapegoat one guy for a leaguewide epidemic like some jackass (read: smedley), give up baseball altogether becase you can't take part in a lovefest with a league where you can throw a stone and hit a steroid abuser, deny the holocaust and pretend a bunch of Jews just converted, changed their names, and fucked with the census, or take the whole thing in perspective.

I'm not willing to stop rooting for every player in the major leagues because of leaguewide steroid abuse, so it follows that if I were to stop rooting for one for that same reason I would be some kind of hypocrite (read: smedley).

Do something about the god damn steroid problem if it makes you so sick to your conscience, because it's a waste of everybody's time and resources to take stabs at easily targeted individuals instead.

Just think what could have been done if MLB had focused on the problem of steroids in baseball instead of focusing on Bonds alone. Think of how much wasted time and money has been spent when they could have actually been addressing the issue by doing more than strengthening penalties.

Bah humbug. Go masturbate to a poster of Roger Clemens.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 31, 2007 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
I think you have it backwards.  In ten, twenty, thirty years time will have dulled the memories of the controversy and we will just remember the sheer brilliance of the feat.  We'll tell our children we saw number 767 go out or whatever the number ends up being.  We will then use Bonds to justify whoever is trying to beat the system in the future:

"Craig Dubuais?  He isn't a hall-of-famer, he has a mechanical left hand!  It's not natural!"

"Well, Barry Bonds is in the hall of fame and we're pretty sure he used PEDs.  With that I'm sure Craig is a first balloter....."

by paboperfecto on Jul 31, 2007 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
Your entire argument argument is based off "I remember hearing" and crap like that.  Way to stick it to Giants fans with facts.

Hell, i remember hearing you fisted yourself for a Dodger dog.

by 27freethrows on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: An Open Letter to Jay Mariotti
I asked a guy from Chicago about Mariotti.  His take:
"Oh. Well. No one actually reads his column. He has a job at the Sun Times because he's on the BOO YAH! Network and he's listed as the "From the Chicago Sun Times" and they use that as publicity.

I don't know a single person that reads his column in the paper."

by Lipssan1 on Jul 31, 2007 5:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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