Cain to bullpen?
"The Giants could have a third candidate to close next season: Matt Cain. The team does not want to mess with him in midseason, but some in the organization believe he has the stuff and bulldog attitude to become another Jonathan Papelbon."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/28/SPBER8UJM2.DTL
Please explain to me the logic of taking Cain out of the starting rotation while keeping Zito in said rotation?
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Re: Cain to bullpen?
by PacBellBoozer on Jul 28, 2007 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by z4 landshark on Jul 28, 2007 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Jul 28, 2007 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Cain to bullpen?
Wait a second...
by sam urai on Jul 28, 2007 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I choose to believe that this is just some goofy leak to indicate to other teams that the Giants are actually eager to keep Matt Morris for next year, and thus drive up his trade value.
But what happened with Brett Myers this season makes me worry.
by Evan on Jul 28, 2007 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I'd rather keep Cain in the rotation and have a closer by committee situation, if that's what it'd take to keep him in there.
by Anticon23 on Jul 28, 2007 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Jul 28, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jul 28, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Bullpen is jail, right?
by dangjackson on Jul 28, 2007 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Cain does not want to pitch from the bullpen
by wilriv21 on Jul 28, 2007 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: If Cain does not want to pitch from the bullpe
Also, as many have pointed out, a closer on a last-place team is kind of a formality.
by JakeS on Jul 28, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it is about performance
by wilriv21 on Jul 28, 2007 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Of course it is about performance
by JakeS on Jul 28, 2007 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Of course it is about performance
Also, did you know that Barry's 1.55 WHIP since the beginning of May is actually 0.10 BETTER than Matt's 1.65 over that period?
by sharksrog on Jul 28, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Jul 28, 2007 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jul 28, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by cheno on Jul 28, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Besides, if your starter pitches like that in the first inning, at least you have eight innings to correct the mistake(s), rather than having him blow it in the eighth or ninth. That reliever better a) throw strikes and b) limit baserunners.
by Van Smack on Jul 28, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't...
by kenshin1 on Jul 28, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Jul 28, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Jul 28, 2007 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2007 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Jul 28, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 28, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LEFTIES ONLY PITCH TO LEFTIES!@!2!!@1!!
by awesomer on Jul 28, 2007 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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He's 22. Linc's a freak/robot/alien-cyborg. Stop looking at him as a reference. Cain will figure it out. Give it time. A temporary move to fix mechanics? Fine. But anything else and >:(. With arms folded, so you know we mean business.
by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 28, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Cain to bullpen?
And his arms are folded.
Ignore him at your peril.
by Moggeee on Jul 28, 2007 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Sabaen; Wet Brain
Joe Nathan...Gone
Francisco Liriano...Gone
Boof Bonzer...Gone
all three traded for a mediocre dp machine (caps intentionally left out along with deliberate insertion of incorrect closing parenthesis( in his walk year.
Nen.......Gone Injured, but paid in full while Sabaen and Magowan self-fellated themselves with "temporary" closers like Herges, Walker, Brower, and Lou Seal waiting for Nen to heal. Eventually replaced by Mando with a three year gazillion Nen-like contract. They again proceeded to sit around and suck their thumbs for another couple of years waiting for Crisco-Lardo to heal. At last Sabaen's patience, was rewarded when the Jenny Craig Drop-out pitched a walk-off balk. (even though it was the T9th, not even Jesus comes back from something like that)
Accardo....Gone Traded for Chulk and Sinking ship architect and part-time Michigan Militia lookalike Shea Hindenburg.
Schmidt...Gone (done for year)and ineffective for the last 2 years of his multi-million multi-year contract. Replace with Zit-75 and give him the contract from Hell. The problem with Schmidt was that he spent too much time on the DL. The problem with Zito is that he doesn't.
But at least you have to admire the way he spreads financial resources around the pitching staff, when the three highest paid players this season are:
Matt Morris $10,037,000.00
Zit-75 $10,000,000.00
Steve Kline $ 1,750,000.00
Obviously Sabaen knows exactly what he is doing. It takes talent to spend $90 million on a last place club and finish 12 games under .500 3 years in a row. He came within a half game of the cellar last year, but it appears with a 7 game bulge over the Rockies, the Giants are pretty much a mortal lock for NL West Losers of the Year award this season. As the great (or greatest ever) POTUS declard some years ago: "Mission Accomplished)
Maybe he'll make Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum both closers on alternating weeks, and move Lowry to the set-up role when he isn't playing right field and pinch hitting. Don't stop there. Get real innovative and hire Big Pappy Lincecum to pitch the 7th inning and spot start. Hey the guy threw 85 when he was 50...thats as good as Morris, and no doubt he'll be cheaper.
Next week, expect Sabaen to announce that he has a surefire deal in the works with the Red Sox to trade them Dave Roberts straight-up for Dice K, if the Sox pick up half of K's salary; and with the Yankees for A-rod and Jeter in exchange for Matt Morris and Omar Vizquel.
by E Ticket on Jul 28, 2007 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by NearestNorwich on Jul 28, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by PacBellBoozer on Jul 28, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're reading it fine thanks
by awesomer on Jul 28, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Cain to bullpen?
Jonathan Papelbon is 500% less valuable to the Red Sox since he decided he didn't want to start.
That's not all opinion, either, though I know I'm not citing accurate numbers. There have been studies to find mathematical equivalents for the values of these things (and some about the value of the existence of the "closer" itself), and the Starter will always be more useful, assuming a certain level of production (which, it is more than reasonable to assume, Cain does and will provide).
by howtheyscored on Jul 28, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by z4 landshark on Jul 28, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Personally I have Matt ranked right now as a #1 3/4 starter. I see a better chance that he can be of #1 caliber than of his dropping to #3 or lower, but I see his most likely resting spot perhaps as being a good #2.
by sharksrog on Jul 28, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by satyricrash on Jul 28, 2007 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dream within a Dream within a Brazil Nut
by Moggeee on Jul 28, 2007 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Jul 28, 2007 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am amused, not irritated
Man, baseball would be deadly dull without a few unsubstantiated red, white or green herrings.
by Moggeee on Jul 28, 2007 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he is solid, he is from LA
by wilriv21 on Jul 28, 2007 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was special
That dirty, rotten, two-timing, rumor-mongering hack!!
by Moggeee on Jul 28, 2007 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Jul 29, 2007 7:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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People so often seem to think that others would make the same mistake we might make, but in fact others -- especially professionals -- do things better than we do.
by sharksrog on Jul 29, 2007 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Big Daddy J on Jul 30, 2007 2:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Jul 30, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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