Trade Possibility: Durham?
This is from David Pinto over at baseballmusings.com (a great general MLB blog).
The Cleveland Indians are solid offensively at every position but second base. Barfield sports a .281 OBA coming into the game. That's bad even for a middle infielder. Now, with the strength of the rest of the team, the Indians can afford to let the young Barfield develop. But if they want a little extra oomph, maybe they can make a deal for Ray Durham? He's not having a great year, so his cost shouldn't be high. And maybe the Indians can send the Giants something they need, a young position player. Plus, moving Durham makes room for Kevin Frandsen, and make the team younger.
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Re: Trade Possibility: Durham?
He falls into what I think of as our movable pairs. There are a number of movable pairs on this team, only one member of each pair who is likely to be moved if a move within the pair is made, but almost definitely not both.
They look something like this:
[Morris:Lowry] [Winn:Roberts] [Aurilia:Klesko] [Durham:Vizquel]
If Vizquel is somehow packaged or (god forbid) DFA'd, Durham almost definitely goes nowhere, and vice versa. It's the same for each of these pairs. I think something is probably going to happen in the first two pairs that I list, even though I don't know where or for what. I think there's an alright chance something happens in that third pair, even if it's just an Aurilia DFA. And I don't feel too confident in either Vizquel or Durham going.
But they are one of my movable pairs, and I absolutely believe that somebody (Sabean) is making phone calls about them to somebody. Durham actually has pretty decent value, but his misleading defensive reputation, injury history, and underperformance might just scare people enough about the second year of this contract that nothing happens.
But if they don't want Barfield playing every day because of his performance, Durham is an interesting option. The two would likely split time (I assume), which would reduce Durham's likelihood of injury and probably benefit his production toward the end of the year because of rest.
But who knows? Other than the GMs involved. I have no idea. For all I know we're going to rape somebody's farm with the Ray Durham/Mark Sweeney blockbuster deal. For all I know Sabean's made 30 phone calls and had 30 hang ups after the word "Ray" (I don't know why he called and hung up on himself, but there's no explaining the BS).
We'll find out soon enough, anyway.
But I absolutely believe he's being shopped. And probably agressively, because in that particular pair there's almost no way I can see takers for Vizquel.
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2007 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Ain't a chance in hell that Vizquel is DFA'd. Sure he's not having even an average year hitting, but DFA isn't something you do to a guy with his skill set. You might as well tell him to piss off royally and call him out as a hack singer, a cheap dresser, and can't dance for crap. Because right now, that's about the only thing you could say that would piss him off.
by PacBellBoozer on Jul 2, 2007 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Jul 2, 2007 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Jul 2, 2007 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Seriously, I've no problem with moving Ray, if the price is right. Same with Morris. I just don't think we are going to get very much and to get rid of guys just to get younger - and not more talented - makes no sense. The question is who in Cleveland do you think we can get, and does it make this team better?
by Sayhey on Jul 2, 2007 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Jul 2, 2007 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Jul 2, 2007 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Jul 2, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2007 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Jul 2, 2007 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 3, 2007 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Jul 3, 2007 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see Frandsen get playing time
by wilriv21 on Jul 2, 2007 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
by delorean on Jul 2, 2007 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I would like to see Frandsen get playing time
by Sayhey on Jul 2, 2007 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trades to make team better
A team can improve by trading a vet and opening a spot for a younger talent, by freeing itself of contracts/monies so can look for other talent with those monies or trading a surplus for a need.
by wilriv21 on Jul 2, 2007 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I agree that opening a spot for a younger talent and freeing up money can help, but with Ray it needs to be much more than that. Someone should willing to give the Giants value for his bat.
by Sayhey on Jul 2, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 2, 2007 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Jul 2, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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maybe he's better this year? I definitely differ to you on this issue.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 2, 2007 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 2, 2007 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Jul 2, 2007 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nooooooooooh
by nick on Jul 2, 2007 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: nooooooooooh
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 2, 2007 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: nooooooooooh
by rxmeister on Jul 3, 2007 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: nooooooooooh
by rxmeister on Jul 3, 2007 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: nooooooooooh
This year his BABIP is a more human .311 and he's come back to earth.
by xanthan on Jul 3, 2007 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: nooooooooooh
What's everyone else's opinion?
by xanthan on Jul 3, 2007 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canooooooooooh
by Evan on Jul 3, 2007 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Canooooooooooh
by rxmeister on Jul 3, 2007 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Canooooooooooh
The Yankees have made real push to beef up their minor league system and overall young talent. To my knowledge, they don't have anyone in their system that could take over 2B once Durham would hypothetically leave.
Morris and Durham won't land the Giants Cano, it just wont happen. Most consider Cashman to have control of the team now instead of the "Boss" and I don't think we'll see any panic trades this year or for awhile.
I think we sometimes overrate our players trade value.
by xanthan on Jul 3, 2007 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Canooooooooooh
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 3, 2007 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Jul 2, 2007 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 3, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Jul 3, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 3, 2007 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Jul 3, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Sanchez looks less likely to know where a pitch is going.
Anyone agree?
by Goofus on Jul 3, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Jul 3, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 3, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 3, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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He's 22, and in AAA is hitting .338 with an OPS of .915, 21 SB, 7 HR and 41 RBI. Kid also has more walks than strikeouts (36:31). I'm sure they'd also be interested in Matty Mo.
by Anticon23 on Jul 2, 2007 7:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes plz
by nick on Jul 2, 2007 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Jul 2, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 2, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Anticon23 on Jul 2, 2007 7:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Jul 2, 2007 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by joebirdie3 on Jul 2, 2007 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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That's what makes Cabrera a good fit - in addition to being a capable hitter he's also a very good defender at shortstop.
by JakeS on Jul 2, 2007 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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return that would be great.
Rafale Perez would help our bullpen out a lot, the kid has a 94mph fastball with moment, and a real good slider, closer stuff. Basically we would be getting younger, improving our bullpen and freeing up money by getting rid of Morris. Im not sure if we are giving up to much though,And I know we need more position players , what do you guys think?
by ramirez415 on Jul 2, 2007 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by ramirez415 on Jul 2, 2007 11:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I don't think Cleveland would go for it, but if they'd trade us Garko and Cabrera, I'd give them Durham, Lowry/Morris (their choice), a minor leaguer not named Schierholtz, a 10-year supply of garlic fries, and just about anything else they wanted.
by Lyle on Jul 3, 2007 6:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 3, 2007 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Jul 3, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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So, trade Durham while we still can and let Frandsen play and bring up Velez and see what he can do out there. Seriously, it won't hurt our playoff chances one bit!
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 3, 2007 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Jul 3, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Jul 3, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bat out of hell
by wilriv21 on Jul 3, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what in that locker kept bringing them back?
by Moggeee on Jul 3, 2007 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Jul 3, 2007 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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